Keeping September Nucs from Swarming!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- Big Nucs need watching during fall flow!
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Add a fresh frame next to the Milky larva and keep expanding The Brood area by placing New Foundation next to newly hatched larva to build a hive massively
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Great video to show what can happen even in September! 😁
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Great to have this time of year in Montana. No way of making a queen. Saves a queenless hive this late in the year. Thank you for this video.
The Autumn flow has come around beautifully in the Adirondack Mountains. I'm not sure if its what I'll do in the future but I had a triple brood deep setup this year and its been awesome to have such a huge work force, the amount of honey I've been able to extract has been a dream. Something I need to get a lot better at however is planning out the season and getting into the same pace as my bees so there is more efficiency.
Love watching your videos! I have learned so much. I will be starting beekeeping in the spring.
Thanks Tonya! We are planning to have several videos targeting first year beekeepers this new year. Just tips to help make things easier on you and the bees!
Better to place the new frames between brood and open larva or two frames of open larvae and remove all brood capped
Beautiful Carni Queen!
Brood pattern looks GREAT! I’m not sure hive beetles is anything we have to contend with in Idaho. I’ve not see one anyway. Wax moths....those will get ya around here. Good video, thanks bud.
Darn. Didnt show how you got the leftover bees to the new box!
That is the downside to double hive boxes. I have stuck in an empty frame and that will gather quite a few, but not all the bees.
@@KevinsNorthernExposure thanks, I was wondering if that would work.
I was curious about that too!
How do you move all the bees from the box into 2 different boxes? Or do you move all the bees into the box you are moving and then let the bees coming back stay with the hive you left there?
What would happen if you shared a box of comb overhead to put the surplus nectar to relieve the swarm factor? To extend them out of the swarming season
I think that would totally work. I just prefer singles over nucs when possible. I think I would have to make something to go between the excluder and the divider to prevent the queen from squeezing thru. A plastic excluder would like lay down on it better.
Kamon Reynolds - Tennessee's Bees
More space is always the best answer. I fall back on a philosophy that maybe only works up here where the seasons whip the bees intentions. The nucs I make are purposely restricted. They share space to put all their work. With the queen restricted, she’s is saved for next season where she simply explodes.
BOOM, lol
Thanks for the video. When you add space and empty frames of drawn comb, will you do anything regarding the hive beetles? Will the beetles have an advantage until the bee population increases? Is the existing bee population sufficient to harass the hive beetles across 10 frames?
They are sufficient to patrol that area since the added Combs are just wax and no beebread. If we gave them nothing but frame of honey and bee bread it would be difficult for them but I think they could pull it off. Too close for comfort and I wouldn't risk it.
Really enjoyed videos with queen info. Could we see more Kamon?
Kamon Reynolds, it would have been good to see how you got the bees out of box & what to do with #2 nuc. If you took the divider out, they merged. If you transferred #2, you could shake half & half. I have a lot of queen castles, but prefer my single nucs. Your bees look good.
I left the second one in the original locations since it was a little smaller. It picked up the forager bees. I however decided to give it a new box set up like the other nuc so that I could put away the queen castle for the winter
Kamon Reynolds - Tennessee's Bees so you left all the bees from nuc 1 to merge with the smaller nuc? Just curious.
Going into winter, would it be a good idea to separate the brood from the stores? Mostly brood in lower box, and mostly stores in the upper. and rearrange it accordingly. Thank you for your videos. Learning alot from them.
What if all you have is foundation to give them. Will they swarm?
Great video. I have some small hive beetles that are in my honey supers. I am going to pull them this week. Any suggestions on getting the beetles out of the honey supers so I can extract them?
Honey bandit on a fume board to move the bees and the beetles out is what I do. However, we never get 100% removal of either one.
You would do well to restate pull some brood out and give empty Foundation so that they bees feel like they have already formed and must rebuild their new hive and they will start feeding the queen again not starving her ready to swarm
So how did you get them out of the box.
Man I gotta wear a suit around the hives that I have with small hive beetles. Most of my colonies are on a concrete slab with a lot of sun but four of them are in the shade with dirt underneath and they have a lot of shb and are very noticeably more aggressive.
Hey Phil haven't seen you comment in a while hope you and your bees are doing well!
I had a similar situation and realized my screened bottom board was a mega breeding ground for SHB. I went to solid bottom boards plus installing a couple beetle traps and while the bees aren’t like gentle lambs, they have gone from a 10 down to a 2.5 on the anger scale. Not a panacea, but it’s definitely inline with the results Kamon has displayed in previous videos.
That looks like Roll Tide bees.
Finally someone agreeing with me to pull brewed out and make room for the queen to lay more eggs even if it's undrawn Foundation the queen will steal lay eggs on that fresh Foundation the workers will have to draw it out afterwards
How did you shake the bees out from the two sides?
hi kamon, i have my hive in a single box right now and weve had some really good september weather lately. mt bees are starting to store nectar pollen in the brood frames cos they have run out of space, should i put another box on this late into september? i dont have any drawn comb frames for them to have so they would have to build it all out from scratch, but i also dont want the queen to run out of space to lay for the winter. what your suggestion in this regard?
So after harvest I put the mediums so the bees can clean them up. It has been two weeks now, Should I wait to pull those mediums off? I live in about the same area you do. SEMO
I would check them. If they aren't using them and/or needing them I would pull them myself.
How did you get the bees from the first chamber into the new box?
Moved the second nuc into a 10 frame box also and then shook all of the bees in front of the first nuc. The 2nd got the original location and picked up all of the forager bees
I lost big swarm last week in New Jersey
Surprised you’re not using swifter sheets to take care of the beetle problem.!
I don't know I just don't get worried about beetles that much. I make splits strong, keep them strong, and also realize that if the hive dies or gets weak it only takes a small number of beetles to ruin the combs/hive. 10 or 100 beetles will ruin the combs either way. I have a box of brawny dine a max. Maybe I will break some out.
what ya think about just keeping them in nucs and stacking them?
It works just fine that way. Not as handy if your fixin to move them to a new beeyard though.
In a setup like that box, do you still need to have a bottom entrance of some sort so it’s easier for the bees to clean the nest or drag dead bees out? Or is a bottom entrance not necessary? I really enjoy these videos
Thanks Lucas. Bees do an amazing job of pulling dead bees and most debris out of entrances like these. I would agree it is a little more work though. There are some beekeepers who are adamant that bees are much healthier with only upper entrances. I have tried it and what I have found is that healthy bees do well in both.
Kamon Reynolds - Tennessee's Bees
Thank you! Keep those videos coming!
Kamon,
Do you know the lineage of these queens? Do they have any Buckfast genetics? I loved to see those bees chase beetles. These bees in the box are probably bees you used to emerge and
mate the queen. Right? When you took that flexible cover off the two nuc box did you see any beetles on the bottom of the top? The way the video showed, it seemed the beetles were mostly in the bottom. Do you see a lot of color variation from queens made from this queen mother? You pointed out the differences between the two queens and your camera operator really helped. The first
queen seemed to have a shorter elongation and therefore her cross-abdomen stripes were still pronounced. As she increases ovarioles, I think she will look just like the second.
My thanks to you and your camera person.
Carroll
How’d you get the bees into the first hive you were moving? Let them march into it or just pull the divider board?
I went ahead and pulled the other hive out and put it in it's own 10 frame box and shook the whole queen castle box at the entrance of the 1 nuc. The 2nd nuc was smaller so it was placed in the original location to collect all the forager bees. Worked like a charm and both will be moved on a 2 way pallet to a different beeyard
Thanks I’m learning quickly! Up to 15 hives all but 2 look VERY strong for they winter. Just pulled Apivar and will do Apiguard the next week ! Very heavy stores! Will do grafting next spring with two of the strongest queens!
@@raysbees7650 Wish you and you bees the very best!
Hi Kamon, I caught a very small swarm at a friend's house. About 2 cups of bees and a nice looking queen. I have the bees in one of those stryfoam queen castle. Three little comb frames. I was going to move them into the garage when it gets cold. My garage never freezes. What are the chances. My area 1st frost is mid October. Have about 3 weeks. I have sugar in it. Do you think they will survive.
I have never attempted anything like that but it is possible. I have heard of little clusters making it. If they make it let me know please!
You will need to cover the vent in the bottom ..i have no problem over wintering those mann lake double mini mating nucs but if i dont cover the vent in the bottom they wont live thru oct here in Michigan .. Just duct tape the vent in the bottom
how did you get the bees out of the box?
What was the metal sheet thing you pulled off?
reflectix
Is it possible to buy a nuke this time of year or start a colony this time of year in Virginia we still got plenty of warm weather and blossoming golden rod and such?
Most beekeepers like myself don't sell nucs this time of the year. The have to be in great shape to get ready for winter and if they are then I wouldn't want to sell one as I can turn it into at least 2 in spring. I would be wary of buying bees this time of the year. However, if you could get a hold of a good one then it could work.
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Beatle blaster please. A little oil and a little apple cider vinegar in it.
How old are those strips ?
The apivar strips are 10 days old and these bees will survive without a beetle blaster but I would recommend them to someone else. I will eventually get around to doing something for them but It isn't something that concerns me. Only used 3 traps this year, just for fun. Big bees and dead mites is the pressing issues right now.
What happens to those SHB once they are exposed from their hiding spot?
Never mind, you just answered my question
They get their butts beaten haha. Seriously though big bees wear them out and force them into corners or traps shortly. I have only used 3 traps on 3 hives this year. The beetles have been lower than usual. (likely the cold spring) Big bees do very well against them. Protecting removed bee bread combs and the combs from deadouts have to be dealt with quickly.
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Kamon do you sell and ship queens
I do some in spring early summer. Mostly focus on nucleus sells. We only take orders for those in Jan early feb. Sell out in 4-5 weeks
Hey Kamon I watch all your videos I live in far western N.C. our climate is about the same. If you have some extra mated queens I will buy 3 or 4 next year I’m a newbee and haven’t even started to graft. I’ve done some walk away splits in 2 frame nucs. I’d like something different than Italian queens. Ives learned a lot watching your videos thanks
SHB trap time, That was bad
I am thinking of going TF on small hive beetles...... 😇
@@kamonreynolds Check this out. Not sure if works or how good. Chickens and keeping grass away from hives has worked for me but looking into this th-cam.com/video/B_gIF9x1vSE/w-d-xo.html
Hi Kamon I See You Apaiver strip on this colony how long has hat srip been in ? Ihave been useing that type of strip between Oxic acid treatment here in the Northwest. I bought so use equipment this spring and I have a Queen Castle that I haven't setup yet Love your video big fan Strat ed watch when you had about 2,000 suscribers Larua stills have inprove great your video are great. your quite friend from the northwest. go tides
Hey Walter thanks for being around so long and commenting! These apivar strips have only been on 2 weeks. And I will treat them with Oav in November-December. Mating colonies don't build mite populations very fast due to the limit to the brood nest and the occasional stop and starts of queen laying. However, I want these young queens to come out of winter without any mites holding them back. I will have to feed these 2 bit for them to over winter well. Once we finish the fall flow in early October I will hit them with some 2:1
when is your next q&a
Not sure Justin. I usually just fly by the seat of my pants on that. Maybe this coming weekend?
@@kamonreynolds ok thanks