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- Former Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn’s dramatic escape from Japan in a music instrument case made headlines around the world. He was accused of breach of trust, misappropriation of funds, and under-reporting $80 million of his own salary.
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Having watched a number of documentaries on the Carlos Ghosn case it seems that on balance this is a case to be answered. However I consider the Japanese justice system totally unfair with what appears to be a presumption of guilt. Detaining Mr Ghosn without access to a lawyer for three months in solitary confinement is totally unacceptable.
Yeah it seems routine that they treat people like that. They have a really high conviction rate. Then it is more torture in prison.
I heard and read those all the time.
Good summary
Meh
They are racists.
Carlos is probably corrupt. But we'll never know because of Japan's terrible justice system. And as a result, everyone else loses.
@Sunny bob Quackers is it possible they are both bad bad not good?
France police want him now.
@Sunny bob Quackers least they get rid of gays
@Sunny bob Quackers Half of these western supporters are islamphobes why would i support them if its an banter protest bc of them.
@Sunny bob Quackers Every feminist support the protest, clown on islam the purest religion. Taking off hijabs and burning them is an dishonour for the mighty creator.
He likely did embezzle - BUT it is also likely that evidence was fabricated or embellished by other parties looking to do basically a corporate "coup de' etat" - and so it is a complicated issue. AND - if you do even basic research into the culture of the Japanese - it boils down to this - IF you are charged with a crime in Japan - it is extremely unlikely you will be acquitted at a trial or even get a fair trial. The culture is BIZARRELY dystopian - and living a "high life" of luxury worked profoundly against him - given the citizens of Japan would be on his jury. And so fleeing in a box to another country was an extremely wise and necessary choice. Last I heard is he is still free - but the mercenaries he hired to get him out of the country are not.
@Sunny bob Quackers Their justice system is super dystopian in a procedural sense.
@peacenow42 anything with injustice is considered dystopian by pure definition, unfortunately japans justice system is extremely unfair and not true justice to anyone accused of a crime( alot of cases are assumed to be coerced due to their system)
@@sscc9290 Dude what kind of basement dweller responds and makes an argument with a person who didn't even make the initial argument?
there’s nothing that suggests he stole funds. everything that nissan has put forward against him has been very weak
The Japanese government is economically protectionist and has a track record of brutality. Most CEOs are greedy and often claim dubious profits. I think most of the statements from both sides are true. So… They both suck and deserve each other.
French issued a red notice to Ghosn too :)
Japan's justice system is a stain on a otherwise beautiful nation. They can hold you for 2 weeks without a lawyer or outside contact! Make sure whoever you travel with in Japan also understands this! Be carefull when drinking etc!
"On an otherwise beautiful nation" the same nation who ENSLAVED Koreans/Chinese & allows stalkers to target women with no consequences & legalized pedophilic porn/anime?
Can you explain more? What would me them hold you? A crime?
@@LxTxSURGE It means they can detain you,
Beautiful nation that glorifies war and comitted atrocities worse than the nazis, upheld multiple kinds of ritual suuicide..
no thanks. I'll stay here or visit Africa instead
The important question isn't whether he did it or not - that's completely irrelevant. What's important is that guilty or not, he was judged guilty by Japan's legal system and treated like an animal. He was entirely within his rights to escape, as should everyone facing prosecution or even suspicion in Japan.
@peacenow42 You're just being argumentative and probably aren't a real person, but let's take that comment at face value. An ACCUSED rapist or murderer in Japan should absolutely escape, because it doesn't matter whether they're innocent or guilty - they're automatically treated as guilty and conviction is inevitable.
@peacenow42 So, conceding the point, then? I accept your apology.
@Sunny bob Quackers damn you got sat down
@Sunny bob Quackers alot otherwise you wouldn't respond :)
Many countries work on presumption of guilt, especially in Latin America. If you are accused, you might find yourself thrown in jail and it is up to you to demonstrate you are innocent.
The real issue is while in custody the Japanese Police sit in on all visitation with counsel & family to take notes for the Prosecutor! No attorney-client privilege exists under Japanese law.
In Japan you are always guilty until proven innocent tbh.
@@tgm.nabam101 It's like that anywhere.
@@10fttall6ftwide Not in the US we have laws that state you are innocent until proven guilty which you can use as an argument in court
@@10fttall6ftwide Japan is worse
@@Dad-lu1oi we do !! If your poor your fuc!!!! Are justice system is so corrupt trust me I know !!!!
The guy really lives up to his name, Car Loss, Gone.
Gosn means twig in Arabic
@@lotfilolo7388 It's a joke.
The biggest mystery here is why Hollywood hasn't turned this into a movie yet. Crazy case!
already done. BBC. Netflix. as many as steve jobs. r/freeghosn
This sounds like Japanese Nissan executives wanted him out by any means necessary.
I saw the documentary about Carlos Ghosn on Netflix a week ago and it gave me a new perspective on this case because the accusation against him is lack hard evidence. From what I've seen, Ghosn was accused of using Nissan's money to buy jewelry and offshore properties. As for jewelry, they never specify if those jewelry were luxury watches or daimon necklaces. They just say "jewelry" and that was that. But what surprised me the most was those offshore properties they claim Ghosn secretly used Nissan's money to buy were in fact cosigned by Nissan CEO himself.
Sounds like a scapegoat situation
Because Ghosn was his boss.
Boss ordered him to do that.
Many his subordinates were fed up with shady spendings.
Surprise surprise; French has also issued a red notice to Ghosn. U believe Japanese were doing the right thing now? lol
@@user-wr9lh4ly1n of course they will, they will never harm their economic relations with Japan over one person especially with the Renault-Nissan Alliance. do you think Paris will destroy all that for a CEO that can be replaced? lol.
His treatment was an injustice. But I wouldnt trust netflix as a source of facts.
Well if u out of blue arrest a person who has turned around ur country’s biggest company and throw him in jail because culturally you are scared of something then that’s your problem.
Not only that, you treated him like a murder accused and confined him to solitary confinement just because you wanted to force a confession out of him. He did the best for himself by smuggling himself out of there.
I am Japanese and am 100% in agreement with you. I am so thankful to Mr. Ghosn, and to the Lebanese government who helped save him, and so sorry that this happened.
Except the french also investigated him after Renault found more instances of him stealing and has pending charges against him
he's not an innocent man. yes, he did make nissan very profitable, but he also caused its downfall. Ghosn has stolen money from the company to buy personal properties and jewelry. He also hired his sister as a ghost employee, and paying her, as from what I remember, $750,000, without doing any work for the company. He also caused the decrease of the customers trust in the brand since his last project made the cars low quality. Ghosn was scared of jail and facing the consequences of his actions, that's why he fled.
@@patrickmendoza6708 While this might or might not be true, in our justice system a trial before a court of law has to determine his guilt or innocence.
Not the police, nor the prosecutors decide this, they have to confine themselves to collecting evidence and placing it before a court of law.
Him being held in custody, in solitary even, without a trial, without granting him right to speak to a lawyer or his family, for 3 month, was nothing but persecution!
Plain and simple.
I’m glad he made it to Lebanon. As we all know, Lebanon is a bedrock of transparency, rule of law, and Justice since 1943.
🤣🤣
😅
This highlights Japan’s inhumane justice system. I suspect that they accused him of doing what 98% of people in his position does - distasteful, unfair global pay practices that are not illegal. so having a trial or access to a lawyer would have gotten him off, because the courts would have clearly seen that they simply singled him out for their own purposes.
98% is very specific, why not 97% or 99%?
Are you aware of the fact that Japanese prosecutors give up prosecuting 60% of those arrested as a result of investigations?
Vice: "Cuties is actually good."
Vice: "MAPs are victims."
Vice: "Japanese manga is CP"
The greed of big companies' CEOs is nothing new. I would be much more interested in coverage of the lack of civil rights in Japan.
More than a hundred days detained, with no visits, no lawyers, and under constant interrogation: that is a violation of human rights, regardless of whether the suspect is guilty or innocent.
When Ghosn got away, the justice minister at the time made a statement on social media that "it was his duty to come back and prove his innocence", which shows that presumption of innocence, a basic pillar of due legal process in free countries, does not exist in Japan.
That is a much more important topic to cover.
God knows how many people who can't afford high-profile lawyers and rescue operations get abducted by Japanese police and imprisoned without due process.
The UN considers long periods of solitary confinement torture.
France police want him now.
Do you think he will go to France for fair trial?
it was a hit job on him to take him out
Hey why is comments off in the anime piece?
Japan's justice system is one step away from being North Korea's little brother. I'm glad he fled and I hope he lives a extraordinary life with alot of money and enjoys every min of it. The reason I say that is because EVERY SINGLE BIG COMPANY CEO, POLITICIANS, AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS DO EXACTLY WHAT HE DID. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS IT HASNT BEEN BROUGHT TO LIGHT YET
I think they all ate Nissan's money, Carlos more than the rest, sure. But the reason for his arrest must have been the "threat" of Nissan disappearing under Renault. The Japanese would have definitely not let that happen, even if Nissan was loss making.
The Japanese have a sense of economic justice that the rest of the world doesn't share. In the USA what he did is considered business as usual. Inflated salaries, private parties charged to the company etc.
Japan executives didn't like that he was trying to form an alliance between Nissan and Renault. He was a very smart guy and turned Nissan around. I worked for Nissan for 13 years and got a chance to see him many times. He used to visit the plants all the time.
He saved Nissan. He earned that money
No
the news reporter is a filipino he even has a filipino accent!!!! seeing another pilipino like me is making me happy.
The report is inappropriate because leaked stories and unsupported citations are stated. The press in general has been irresponsible.
Innocent, needs a trial so can clear his name and get his job back
Carlos will definitely watch this video.
If Carlos is watching this video and reading these comments here is a little song for you Carlos, I think you will like it. th-cam.com/video/2jta97z0Zhg/w-d-xo.html
Carlos ghosted…
OMG this is horrific!! When will the injustice end~! Quick! someone setup a gofundme page! How can ANYONE live off of $16 million a year?! He reminded the world that many a lot of Japanese aren't ONLY racist against other Asians - but also white people too! I salute you Carlos, you're a true patriot, a mother theresa of bank scammers. I mean only 5 houses? That's not even 10...
Ugh.. I'm sorry I just can't go on, it's just too upsetting.
One day he'll get justice.
Thoughts & Prayers
His name in Lebanese Arabic is pronounced [ɣu-sˤn] "غصن".
I don't get how that became to be like "Gone" lool
It was a meme lol
Angas mo talaga mag report Atom mapa english oh tagalog!
He looks like the British Comedian, Mr. Bean.
Can this journalist please do all Vice News videos?! Well done 👍
They didn’t like him from the start because he wasn’t a native ceo
out OF the country
To people who complain about Japanese justice system it is what it is. You do the crime you do the time. Stop doing crime if you don't want to go through their justice system
Most intelligent and thought provoking comment on TH-cam.
Something a mentally defective Tojoboo would say.
Even if he did what they say his treatment by the Japanese justice system was terrible in the u.s. if this went to court it would have been thrown out due to how many human rights violations were committed, and thats sayin alot
The number of police officers per capita in the United States is almost the same as in Japan, but the homicide rate in the U.S. is five times higher, the robbery rate is thirty times higher, and the number of people incarcerated is sixty times higher. Moreover, the land area of the U.S. is much larger than that of Japan. In Japan, there are so many police officers relative to the number of criminals that offenders are usually caught immediately. Japan's high conviction rate is sometimes criticized, but I think one reason for this is the low crime rate. If Japan were to reduce its police force by 90%, the conviction rate would likely decrease significantly.
Nissan would not exist today if not for this man. 100,000+ jobs and dozens of local economies owe this man and this is how they repay him.
He is the man behind the infamous CVT transmission that was made for the Versa, but was pushed into every other Nissan car, with disastrous results for consumers. Nissan has already started to implement new transmissions suited for specific kind of vehicles, but the damage is already done.
@@gabrielsierra6890 Not sure what people are doing with their transmissions or if their complaints are valid. I drive a CVT Altima. 208k miles and no signs of transmission issues. I think most CVT complaints are from people who aren't changing their transmission fluid, which all transmissions have documented as a maintenance item. CVTs unlike ATs will not let you get away with ignoring that.
But what's your point? Cars in the 70's typically reached their end of life and needed complete engine rebuilds by 100k miles. Were we imprisoning CEOs over it?
I'm glad he said fuc them I'm gone!!!Thier were about rail road this man he did the right thing
Remember there are three sides to every story. Your side my side and the real side.
This guy saved Nissan. I should know I was a Nissan. dealer. Before he took the helm we couldn't give a Nissan away. We had to survive on used car sales.
In France for ex on prehearing stage defenders can be restrained for several years without release or charge.
And yet civilized people say only the Japanese judiciary is inhumane and brutal.
Rubbish
Surprise surprise; French has also issued a red notice to Ghosn. People now believe Japanese were doing the right thing? lol
I think i've seen this video many months ago. Yet, why is it only 1 month old?
Well made video, keep up the good work.
Lol I can’t imagine he inside that box 😂 being short has its perks 😅
A Animal Should Be Treated Like a Animal.
Well Done Japan. 👍👍❤❤😊😊
Mr. Ghisson is one of the smartest and most successful businessmen in the world. They tried to destroy him because he is Lebanese. It's politics!.
Wow Mr. Atom! Good job. Nasa Vice kana pala.
Jeez can’t be even number two in car market without ppl being jealous
Because he never released a gtr successor.
Nissan wants top dominance, but they are out of sync with the market.
It’s called shipping yourself.
where my stagehands at? my man went out in a road case.
Only because he is not Japanese
Bingo
Looking like Mr Bean, Bolsonaro and Groo at the same time 🤣
the real issue is, they dont have benches, atom walk and walk and walk
Always watching from Georgetown Guyana south America 🇬🇾🇬🇾🇬🇾🇬🇾
Wow Atom is now doing videos for Vice 👏🏻
Greed makes the green
I've already seen this. It is older than 3 weeks. It was released before on another vice channel (Asia) maybe 4 months before. Nothing new since the release of Boundless in August.
These are the real crooks and thieves
Shame on Vice News. This is the POOREST coverage of Ghosn's debacle I've seen thus far. This type of lazy coverage is why I unsubscribed from Vice News long ago.
My man out here trying to shoot his shot at him.
Just glad he made it out of Japan 🇯🇵!
The low angle camera in the end was weird.
Why did you keep the video "Inside the Pedophilic Manga Industry in Japan" private only for Japan?
Were you that frustrated with the firestorm in Japan?
Well, of course you are, since they pointed out all the mistakes and also criticized your sneaky stunt to make an Ota Ward Council member, Ogi, who has pledged his freedom of expression, look like a bad person.
And they do it in a way that only Japan is privy to it, making it invisible, and talking about it behind its back.
Great journalism!😝😝😝😝😝😝
YOOOO ATOM IS NOW IN VICE???? SINCE WHEN????
Ghosn is the victim of racial profiling. In the minds of Nissan executives and Japanese authotities He was the wrong race to be the most successful CEO in Japan. In his place I would have done the same, run away and give the finger to the authorities.
Race card.... bwahaahaa 😃
I find it funny cause if Nissan is broke, how are they still making the GTR!?
I will never buy a Nissan again.
Brazilian born, French-Lebanese working in Japan. Hot damn
I wonder what the French think of this guy. Renault is not known for quality products.
Sure, the company is "profitable" now but at what cost...?
he saved renault and nissan. of course they think highly of him
I don't give a damn how smart or crafty you are. NOBODY needs to make more than $10 million per year. Even that is ridiculous IMO.
It doesn't matter how much money some dork makes a company either. Compensate with a good salary but $10+ Million is TOO MUCH and totally unnecessary. Furthermore, a "Golden Parachute" should NEVER be offered.
This is the problem with the world today. Too many filthy, stinking rich oligarchs that think they are so intelligent that they warrant such incomes. All they are doing is taking BILLIONS of dollars out of the global economic system and hiding it all over the place to avoid taxes.
It's time to Cap Wealth !
Why the average, poor shmuck is always so eager to simp for corrupt billionaires with that "every other billionaire is probably doing it, so why shouldn't Ghosn", I'll never understand.
you’ve no idea what the word oligarchs. an employee can’t be classified as such
There’s nothing more terrifying than seeing a Nissan Altima in your rear view mirror.
it wasn't his wife's birthday , get your facts straight please this is a big platform
Hey people, if Ghosn shouldn't have to do the (unfair Japanese justice system) time, he shouldn't have done the crime (in Japan, to a Japanese company, with Japanese workers).
Why the average, poor person is always so eager to simp for corrupt billionaires with that "every other billionaire is probably doing it, so why shouldn't Gosan", I'll never understand.
Without proof and in a system where the conviction rate is 99.8% this isn’t Justice. Without a fair trial it seems like a smear job.
because there’s no evidence that suggests he has committed those crimes. and poor people and the people of japan should be rallying behind him to help change the justice system as they suffer the most
@@marcelohendrix6139 oh, that makes complete sense:
One of this particular billionaire's principal concerns is going to be readjusting the Japanese judicial system in favour of the poor and average person in Japan!
@@-xirx- he doesn’t have to be for the average person. him simply shedding light on the matter is enough for people who genuinely care to rally behind and takeover
@@marcelohendrix6139 This guy? The average Japanese person should rally behind _this guy?!_
The foreign billionaire who (definitely) illegally smuggled himself out of the country on a private jet.
What a shining example (nay, the perfect example) of the average hard working, hard done by victim of the Japanese judicial system!
(I'm not even going to address "takeover")
Jezus, please stop my friend..
***Out OF the country.
the money is always "clacking up to the pit of hellfire"
As someone that loved Nissan of the 90s early 2000s, seeing his face just pisses me off
well nissan was going bankrupt because of many of the cars they were making and designing
Love vice, long time.
daddy mota lookin' fire in this video
Me wondering the whole time if this was filmed in UP because there was some connection. 😂
No smoke without fire
Way to go Japan! Down with the greedy CEO’s take note America ! The working People are coming
Pas mal, non ? C'est Français.
Ghosn's name is mispronounced haha. The gh sound doesn't exist in English, but it's kinda similar to a soft r
for sure he’s not driving Nissan now, it’s time for sth better 😅
yep, he never stepped back into a Nissan after his arrest in Japan. always seen in Mercs and Audis since (in docos and pics)
He cute xD
Didn't know Atom Araullo works at Vice as well!
Don't hire forginers to steal the money 😤, he stole the money then maid a run for it
Writing is getting more min numbingly boring
Brazilian french Lebanese born that's confusing
The big money and success always comes with worker exploitation---just another narcissistic sociopath................
Quintupled??? More like doubbled
Guy is a fucking legend
He's no legend ,he's more like Alibaba and the forty thieves.
You misspelt *ghoul* as "legend".
The more you know... 🤷♂️
How much are the Japanese paying for his whereabouts?
No visit Japan lesson from this.
Moral of the story…Japanese justice system sucks
When carlos were enter a restaurant in japan..japanese were stand for him..they respect him.
He is the one who saved Nissan..He deserve more than salary..if we wanna be logic.