I think the key to the coil is the head placement. You have to think that your head is an anchor point. I've learned through this program if you look back in the ( reachback ) and you follow the disc with your head you'll never feel the resistance coil.
I am happy to here you describe the movement like being a catapult because that is basically what it is. Of all the videos I’ve watched on form I have never heard it described that way and not sure why.
Great video coach! Foot by foot you are helping us to reach 500+ feet. Thank you for being an awesome guy and actually coach people and push out real elite distance form breakdowns and explain how it all works amazingly well!
Your explanation of coiling was amazing for the longest time I just turned my shoulders and never got any type of actual coiling following this do dry runs without a disc my arm was whipping through and I finally felt that Rubberband feeling!!! So excited to hit the field!!
i was trying to figure out this slowed down drill on my own and having no luck. this comes out at a great time. cant wait to spend some time with this. thank you
Definitely love the coil. It was the last thing I had to put together with my ball golf swing to get that last bit of distance I wanted. Love to see that idea translated to disc golf.
Just started taking my "reach back" / extention out of my practice so I can get rid of lateral movement and learn to stop pulling. I'm glad I'm on the same page as you, these videos are great! Keep it up!
You should join the discord form review/discussion group. We meet for 2-3 hours once a week and just dive into the form rabbit hole. Would love to have you...It's been a while!
The "just go and go" clicked for me and felt the extra tension and pop. i was 'stopping' my reach back to start my off arm punch through instead of putting it together
Love this channel! I only knew how to throw from playing ultimate, and I was all arm! It's been frustrating re-learning how to throw, but with these videos, I am seeing serious progress! Thank you!
Great explanation as always. I just yesterday tried this (or something similar) and I gotta say: keeping your arm relaxed and letting it extend and curl by itself feels like a really “big movement”. So for everybody trying this, it might feel a lot different than what you think a throw should feel so keep at it for a bit and you’ll feel the whip. Thanks for the video coach. Love your content.
Excellent exercise. I need this kind of indoor practice. I am finding it so challenging to stop pulling. On Monday I had some sling-shot action for the first time throwing putters just using a stand still. Tuesday i tried drivers on the practice field and old habits creeped back in. Unlearning is challenging, but I'm 100% determined to make the transition. I'll check out your patreon.
Definitely going to give this a try tonight! I always have had issues getting more of my body engaged in my throw. I can get decent distance but I always felt like something was off in my form.
I have a hard time, not tensing once I grab my disc. It's all fine and good, until I grab a towel, a disc or anything and I loose the noodle. trying to figure out if I'm just gripping to tight, or why I'm getting tight with something in my hand. Everything feels great, again, until I put something in my hand , tips?
3:06 why would people feel pain doing this exercise? What pain should I be on the lookout for? Just taking preventative measures. Thanks, really enjoying the hyper loose arm
Stretching (like touching your toes for example) if you stretch too far it hurts. Just Stay comfortable with the stretch (coil) and don’t overdue it. It shouldn’t be hurting at all, it should feel like a stretch.
One thing that seems to keep happening so far is, sometimes I hook the disc super far to the right. Like a super late release. I would love to see a video on how to time the release right so that the snap happens when your hand in front of the target and what happens when that snap happens way late. Feels like it gets 'stuck' in my hand.
I'm curious with some pros their disc is just hanging off their loose wrist in almost extreme anhyzer during reach back. Seems they only snap into the desired release angle at the last moment. Is that correct?
I have experimented with this just for kicks, and it seems to me (personally) that whether or not you set the disc angle before the "pull-through" or whether the wrist is completely relaxed and hanging loose (a la Ricky or MattyO), as long as your elbow and shoulder are aligned, then the wrist kind of "snaps" into place to follow/match the hinge of the elbow. It wasn't the most consistent for me, and I got some off-axis wobble on some of my shots, but on my good rips, I felt some of the best and most pronounced "snap" that I have ever felt, and the disc launched out much speedier than normal. For reference, I top out at about 340-360 (medium accuracy), and my best "loose-wristed" throw went almost 400 with this technique, but extremely inconsistent. Personally I think that it will be best for me to learn to have a loose "enough" wrist where I can still hold the disc at the approximate angle that I want to release it, while still being loose and springy, but it takes a lot of focus (or maybe lack thereof) and practice to straddle that line between rigidity and flowiness. I think this video will help with this, because as long as we generate the forward snap WHILE we are loading back, then this looseness is much more achievable. Whereas normally, I think of it as load-up, pause (even for a millisecond), snap. This pesky pause (albeit miniscule) is where my arm tenses up and becomes a baseball bat (instead of a whip).
Coach T! Could you please answer one question for me? Regarding grip pressure - how hard are you gripping the disc on a full power drive and do you actively engage grip pressure? I find that the harder I grip, the stiffer my arm becomes. So it’s counterintuitive as I’m sure greater grip would translate to more snap, but I lose my looseness in the process of gripping down. Please advise! Haha
Do you engage your core before you coil back? It feels like its easier to feel my core that way and use it to coil rather then just turn back sometimes loose that stretched muscles
For my RHBH, whenever I reach/punch down/engage my left shoulder/arm before I start my pull through my disc always go high and to the right almost like grip lock but with no extra distance gained, any tips?
I had a similar issue that kind of developed out of nowhere and noticed I was reaching too low and away from me with my left arm, and it was pulling my left shoulder forward and down, so the opposite was happening for my right shoulder and I was releasing high right. So I had to focus on keeping my left hand up and closer to my body. Of course, not sure if your problem is the same, but this sounded familiar to me
I like the idea of never stop moving. I’ve gotten this feeling before on a smaller upshot like 150 ft where you can feel your arm is still moving back while your body starts uncoil. It seems harder to feel it on a bigger shot but I’m going to keep working.
i have serious pain in my underneath part of forearm the ligaments that connect to bottom elbow its like theyre sprained now and i cant whip disc out bcuz theyre so tight .. is this something that happens dooing correct form or am i doing it wrong creating the pain>??
I have been watching your videos for awhile. I am curious what video editing application do you use to compare your form to pro forms. I started dg about 4 months ago and would like to compare my form to particularly Drew gibson from overthrow's channel,.
Hey coach! Great stuff here as always. Been hooked since Ep #1. As someone addicted to figuring out the proper way to power the throw, how do you address a tendency to lean forward? I am starting to retrain the body not to throw with the arm but my torso wants to move forward rather than starting back over the back foot and then rotating... any ideas on how to train this geometry/feel?
Im at 350 now (im also 54) and if I can get to 450 with your teaching I will let you know and pay a patreon if you have one! Sounds all good and I tried everything else so its worth a shot. Gump
Something that's really working for me is to find the sweet spot to reach back away from my body The further out away from my body I reach out, the more whip I get. However, if I reach out too far, I risk slapping my arm or chest. When I reach straight back or curl the disc around my body, I get wrist flexion at the hit, but I'm rounding with no whip. Some big distance guys like Conrad, curl behind, but he exerts so much freaking effort. I think a tight snappy whip goes a long way, and finding that sweet spot has been a game changer. If I place the disc the right distance away from my body, not too much, not too little, I get a smooth crack of the whip. - I think this video of Conrad & Ezra illustrates the curl vs whip perfectly: th-cam.com/video/5EAfYpljI2M/w-d-xo.html - And if you watch them play on the same card, Ezra and Drew look like they're barely exerting any effort: th-cam.com/video/yVzd4dZsnQQ/w-d-xo.html , th-cam.com/video/ttgX7p1j3WQ/w-d-xo.html
throwing about 420 max. and this right here is my problem, still using to much arm and not enough core. not using my left arm hardly. my throwing arm keeps getting in front of me, and going to soon, actually giving back pain cus my follow through is too late. I JUST CANT GET IT. watching you makes it look easy, but i just cant do it lol. So stupid
I totally understand. It took me 1000 hrs to get as comfortable as I am with the movement, and I'm still thousands of hours behind the top pros Keep trying and don't ever give up. It is possible!!!
Sorry! It's within my patreon link. Would love to have you. Going live on friday night 630 pacific time. The form review tier is the way to go! Thanks for watching.
If you like this content, give coach some love, and join the Patreon! Come hang out with us in the discord!
How do I do this? I ABSOLUTELY LOVE this content and wouldn’t mind helping out and joining the discord!
@@teddymason6092 link is in the description!
This is only about 100x better than the next best video I've ever seen on this. THANK YOU!
Just wanted to say ur videos have helped me go from 280' ish drives to hitting 400' or more nearly everytime
That’s crazy!
Never thought my videos would be this helpful to people. I just appreciate you trying the stuff out. Thank you so much for the support.
I think the key to the coil is the head placement. You have to think that your head is an anchor point. I've learned through this program if you look back in the ( reachback ) and you follow the disc with your head you'll never feel the resistance coil.
Absolutely. Well said.
It’s crazy how I can learn so much without any sound just reading the closed captions and watching. Such a great teacher
Thank you Ellis!
You should consider my patreon discord community. We meet once a week for a few hours. Super intense form discussions lol.
I am happy to here you describe the movement like being a catapult because that is basically what it is. Of all the videos I’ve watched on form I have never heard it described that way and not sure why.
Great video coach! Foot by foot you are helping us to reach 500+ feet. Thank you for being an awesome guy and actually coach people and push out real elite distance form breakdowns and explain how it all works amazingly well!
Your explanation of coiling was amazing for the longest time I just turned my shoulders and never got any type of actual coiling following this do dry runs without a disc my arm was whipping through and I finally felt that Rubberband feeling!!! So excited to hit the field!!
I odn't like too many of these videos, but this one is necessary for beginners trying to figure out how to throw.
I just hit up the practice field, and I'm finally getting the head placement. What a game changer!
i was trying to figure out this slowed down drill on my own and having no luck. this comes out at a great time. cant wait to spend some time with this. thank you
I am very excited about this one because I absolutely love Porpoises . Beautiful creatures
Woops you said purpose in title. I still love porpoises though. They mate for life
Would be great to see your suggestions on stretches and warm-ups to stay loose, specifically for these motions.
I'd suggest any hip opening exercises, samson lunges, squats...strong legs and healthy hips gets massive rips.
I subscribed here because Ben of Ben's Big Drive said to! I enjoyed the collaboration with him and you.
Thank you so much!!! Ben’s a great guy!
Thanks coach! Watching all of these and enjoying them
Definitely love the coil. It was the last thing I had to put together with my ball golf swing to get that last bit of distance I wanted. Love to see that idea translated to disc golf.
Thank you for the super helpful and unique explanations.
This has helped tremendously, coiling with purpose. Thank you!
Just started taking my "reach back" / extention out of my practice so I can get rid of lateral movement and learn to stop pulling. I'm glad I'm on the same page as you, these videos are great! Keep it up!
You should join the discord form review/discussion group. We meet for 2-3 hours once a week and just dive into the form rabbit hole. Would love to have you...It's been a while!
@@slingshotdiscgolf1897 Oh yes, I love the rabbit hole. Ill join later tonight!
@@andrewwilde8327 yes!!! My job is not done until you hit 500
The "just go and go" clicked for me and felt the extra tension and pop. i was 'stopping' my reach back to start my off arm punch through instead of putting it together
Love this channel! I only knew how to throw from playing ultimate, and I was all arm! It's been frustrating re-learning how to throw, but with these videos, I am seeing serious progress! Thank you!
Great explanation as always. I just yesterday tried this (or something similar) and I gotta say: keeping your arm relaxed and letting it extend and curl by itself feels like a really “big movement”. So for everybody trying this, it might feel a lot different than what you think a throw should feel so keep at it for a bit and you’ll feel the whip.
Thanks for the video coach. Love your content.
Well said. I don’t emphasis how different it feels enough, mainly because it’s such a drastic difference. It’s hard to explain sometimes.
Excellent exercise. I need this kind of indoor practice. I am finding it so challenging to stop pulling. On Monday I had some sling-shot action for the first time throwing putters just using a stand still. Tuesday i tried drivers on the practice field and old habits creeped back in. Unlearning is challenging, but I'm 100% determined to make the transition. I'll check out your patreon.
Great Video and an important concept that more people should know about
Tony!!!
Definitely makes since. I suck at teeing off in disc golf. I’ll try any tip or trick I can find at this point.
Definitely going to give this a try tonight! I always have had issues getting more of my body engaged in my throw. I can get decent distance but I always felt like something was off in my form.
I have a hard time, not tensing once I grab my disc. It's all fine and good, until I grab a towel, a disc or anything and I loose the noodle. trying to figure out if I'm just gripping to tight, or why I'm getting tight with something in my hand. Everything feels great, again, until I put something in my hand , tips?
Can’t wait to try this out! Thanks coach T
3:06 why would people feel pain doing this exercise? What pain should I be on the lookout for? Just taking preventative measures. Thanks, really enjoying the hyper loose arm
Stretching (like touching your toes for example) if you stretch too far it hurts. Just Stay comfortable with the stretch (coil) and don’t overdue it. It shouldn’t be hurting at all, it should feel like a stretch.
One thing that seems to keep happening so far is, sometimes I hook the disc super far to the right. Like a super late release. I would love to see a video on how to time the release right so that the snap happens when your hand in front of the target and what happens when that snap happens way late. Feels like it gets 'stuck' in my hand.
I'm curious with some pros their disc is just hanging off their loose wrist in almost extreme anhyzer during reach back. Seems they only snap into the desired release angle at the last moment. Is that correct?
I have experimented with this just for kicks, and it seems to me (personally) that whether or not you set the disc angle before the "pull-through" or whether the wrist is completely relaxed and hanging loose (a la Ricky or MattyO), as long as your elbow and shoulder are aligned, then the wrist kind of "snaps" into place to follow/match the hinge of the elbow. It wasn't the most consistent for me, and I got some off-axis wobble on some of my shots, but on my good rips, I felt some of the best and most pronounced "snap" that I have ever felt, and the disc launched out much speedier than normal. For reference, I top out at about 340-360 (medium accuracy), and my best "loose-wristed" throw went almost 400 with this technique, but extremely inconsistent.
Personally I think that it will be best for me to learn to have a loose "enough" wrist where I can still hold the disc at the approximate angle that I want to release it, while still being loose and springy, but it takes a lot of focus (or maybe lack thereof) and practice to straddle that line between rigidity and flowiness.
I think this video will help with this, because as long as we generate the forward snap WHILE we are loading back, then this looseness is much more achievable. Whereas normally, I think of it as load-up, pause (even for a millisecond), snap. This pesky pause (albeit miniscule) is where my arm tenses up and becomes a baseball bat (instead of a whip).
Coach T!
Could you please answer one question for me?
Regarding grip pressure - how hard are you gripping the disc on a full power drive and do you actively engage grip pressure? I find that the harder I grip, the stiffer my arm becomes. So it’s counterintuitive as I’m sure greater grip would translate to more snap, but I lose my looseness in the process of gripping down. Please advise! Haha
Do you engage your core before you coil back? It feels like its easier to feel my core that way and use it to coil rather then just turn back sometimes loose that stretched muscles
Lets Go Sling Shot!!
For my RHBH, whenever I reach/punch down/engage my left shoulder/arm before I start my pull through my disc always go high and to the right almost like grip lock but with no extra distance gained, any tips?
I would have to see your form. Too many moving parts to answer that question. Let me know if you want a form review.
I had a similar issue that kind of developed out of nowhere and noticed I was reaching too low and away from me with my left arm, and it was pulling my left shoulder forward and down, so the opposite was happening for my right shoulder and I was releasing high right. So I had to focus on keeping my left hand up and closer to my body. Of course, not sure if your problem is the same, but this sounded familiar to me
I like the idea of never stop moving. I’ve gotten this feeling before on a smaller upshot like 150 ft where you can feel your arm is still moving back while your body starts uncoil. It seems harder to feel it on a bigger shot but I’m going to keep working.
Much harder the further you throw. You’ll get there though
i have serious pain in my underneath part of forearm the ligaments that connect to bottom elbow its like theyre sprained now and i cant whip disc out bcuz theyre so tight .. is this something that happens dooing correct form or am i doing it wrong creating the pain>??
Good stuff, bro!!!
I have been watching your videos for awhile. I am curious what video editing application do you use to compare your form to pro forms. I started dg about 4 months ago and would like to compare my form to particularly Drew gibson from overthrow's channel,.
So helpful thank you!!!
Hey coach! Great stuff here as always. Been hooked since Ep #1. As someone addicted to figuring out the proper way to power the throw, how do you address a tendency to lean forward? I am starting to retrain the body not to throw with the arm but my torso wants to move forward rather than starting back over the back foot and then rotating... any ideas on how to train this geometry/feel?
Im at 350 now (im also 54) and if I can get to 450 with your teaching I will let you know and pay a patreon if you have one! Sounds all good and I tried everything else so its worth a shot.
Gump
Do you have a link to the Discord?
Yes it’s in the description! Love to have you join
Something that's really working for me is to find the sweet spot to reach back away from my body The further out away from my body I reach out, the more whip I get. However, if I reach out too far, I risk slapping my arm or chest. When I reach straight back or curl the disc around my body, I get wrist flexion at the hit, but I'm rounding with no whip. Some big distance guys like Conrad, curl behind, but he exerts so much freaking effort. I think a tight snappy whip goes a long way, and finding that sweet spot has been a game changer. If I place the disc the right distance away from my body, not too much, not too little, I get a smooth crack of the whip.
- I think this video of Conrad & Ezra illustrates the curl vs whip perfectly: th-cam.com/video/5EAfYpljI2M/w-d-xo.html
- And if you watch them play on the same card, Ezra and Drew look like they're barely exerting any effort: th-cam.com/video/yVzd4dZsnQQ/w-d-xo.html , th-cam.com/video/ttgX7p1j3WQ/w-d-xo.html
I agree with the snappy whip!
Is the coil caused by the shoulders or the hips?
Hips and core
throwing about 420 max. and this right here is my problem, still using to much arm and not enough core. not using my left arm hardly. my throwing arm keeps getting in front of me, and going to soon, actually giving back pain cus my follow through is too late. I JUST CANT GET IT. watching you makes it look easy, but i just cant do it lol. So stupid
I totally understand. It took me 1000 hrs to get as comfortable as I am with the movement, and I'm still thousands of hours behind the top pros Keep trying and don't ever give up. It is possible!!!
I highly recommend joining my discord community and we can review your form one on one. It's in my patreon link.
Where dat discord link doe???
Sorry! It's within my patreon link. Would love to have you. Going live on friday night 630 pacific time. The form review tier is the way to go! Thanks for watching.
@Sling Shot Disc Golf thank you brutha