i never understand why song writers never just sell these "poetry collections" as an Unfinished Songs Collection. like it solves the issue of the "poems" being a bit shit/analysed the way poetry is, and selling them as unfinished to start with means that the artist won't feel like they have to "finish" the piece to make it a complete poem. Plus, I feel like a fan of the musician is more likely to be excited to read lyrics/songs that never were over poetry.
I agree 1000%. I feel like if singer-songwriters released an unfinished drafts/unpublished songs/demo book instead of forcing poetry, it would bode way better with their fans. Having a huge fanbase like hers, we would have eaten that up as it's refreshing to see the creative process and ideas that were being entertained but not finished.
yeah exactly. it's nice for the fans to see what got left on the cutting room floor and it just manages the reader's expectations. if you aren't expecting polished poetry you won't be mad that you didn't get it.
Right? Post unfinished songs on their social media and ask the audience to critique or add to it. That would be great clicks and engagement for the creator and fun for the fans to feel involved. The pay wall for these published books is really what Rachel criticizes the most. She's only harsh when they sell lazy work to their fans based on nothing but their name
I'll be perfectly honest I haven't watched the whole video. I got her poetry book for myself for Christmas. And ive been listening to marina for awhile. Probably close to 10 years so I'm super bias. But you always do such a great job at you poetry reviews I'm sure you had a lot of great points, and do have a lot of great points. I liked her poetry collection, I'm by no means super into poetry. And while I could tell it wasn't perfect. I appreciate it seemed like she tried. More so then like milk and honey, or Gabbie where its just like a tumbler post in a poem. Also I thought her poetry was definitely something I would expect from her. From listening to a lot of her music. I appreciated some of the raw and honest language in places. I really liked Land of Limbs. She's definitely has talent especially in her music. I overall liked the collection, I am happy I spent money on it. And I hope she improves in her work overtime and releases more. I do agree it definitely wasn't riot girl, female empowerment. This poetry book seems in theme with Electra Heart. Maybe more reflecting on the sadness, and trauma of her late teens and early 20s. Not in a self reflective way. But in the motions, she reflected her headspace at the time. Which is the personal vibe I got.
I just bought The Book. I'd seen it around, and knowing it's legitimate and promoted by you made me get it. It looks a lot like "How to invent everything" by Ryan North. I'm very excited to get it.
These poems read distinctly like spontaneously written journal entries. I love the poems you pull up for comparison though. I hadnt come across the one with the lillies before. Please keep making more poetry content- you have a talent for analysis and your videos are a joy to watch. 🖤
16:23 i dont think thats what she meant, i think she just meant the form was better as a poem? I dont think she meant that they were literally just scrapped songs. I kept listening to you talking about it and I really dont think thats what she said at all
I got the opposite. I understood it as "I couldn't make these work as songs so I decided they should be poetry instead". It's literally recycling things that didn't really do well to make money. Hell artists do it all the time with demos they never realease. They don't know how to finish a song so they call it a demo and release it as is. Which isn't wrong or bad as they at least don't claim it is a finished refined piece. Which is kind of the issue here. She doesn't claim these are scrapped songs that didn't work out or she couldn't make them work out as songs. But instead she just slapped a label of them being poems in order to sell it as a whole new different work than maybe a demo nobody would've cared about. A similar thing would be just making a drawing and it turning out bad or never finish it, just to claim it was meant to look like that from the start. Rather than admit it didn't work because it wasn't good for anything. Or me write a book, then add some random scenario and then claim it was meant from the start just to make the product seem done and professional (I did it once in a story and I don't think it was good but I was less than 18 when I wrote that).
I dont think it's terrible, she may not be the best but i listen to her and love her music quite a bit. Not a superfan either but i do like her! And she seems like a good person as well. Im interested what you think of this book
My knowledge of Marina (& the Diamonds) only extends to her tracks that were remixed - Primadonna, I Am Not A Robot, Radioactive - and her work with Clean Bandit - Baby. Very basic, but she does have a good singing voice. Her lyrical skills... are Hit n Miss to me.
I liked it! But all poetry is subjective. There’s plenty of poems from supposed “master poets” that I didn’t like which is totally valid. So if you like it great! If you don’t, great!
Honestly, the only sponsored thing I'd ever buy. I don't think it's available in my country and even if it was, a book like this is going to be hella expensive to get shipped. Still, this is possibly the only sponsored thing I'd ever buy. Seems just the perfect thing for my voracious hunger for knowledge.
1:06:53 "if i want good lyrics, ill read a poem" isnt that exactly what you didnt like about marina's intro? Switching the two out and not appreciating them as seperate art forms?
She was pretty tired at this point in the video, but I think what she was trying to say was that in her opinion a song needs to be appreciated as a marriage of music and lyrics and that it’s not a good song if only the lyrics are good.
Quite the opposite. I said if I want *just* good lyrics. I’m saying from a song, I also want all the other aspects of music to be good. If I only want the bits of good poetry then I’ll just read poetry but if I want the bits of good linguistics and rhythm and music and everything else then I’ll choose a song I like. I’m literally saying that I don’t just like a song for one part of it but for how it all comes together as a whole piece of art. When people assume I’ll like a song because maybe the musics work as good “poetry”, it misunderstands what both good poetry it and what good music is. If I want the bits that people assume I want, I’ll pick a poem to listen to, but with music I want a whole different package so I’m looking for other things. I’m the one separating the art forms, not the people telling me to listen to stuff just because they like the lyrics.
The discussion and sponsor made me think of two books on my tbr, "Rebel Girl" by Kathleen Hanna (musician memior), and "How to invent evrrything: a survival guide for the stranded time traveller" by Ryan North.
Personally quite enjoy Marina's Love + Fear album and Electra Heart. As well as Froot. But haven't listened to anything past Love+Fear. Interested to watch the video.
I loveee Marina so I like the book a lot as a curious fan as it is autobiographical. As a poetry writer, however, it's definitely lacking the majority of poetry conventions that make a poem a *poem* you know? I am all for breaking the rules, creating your own, etc. but these must be done with a purpose and with consistency. I personally feel like this book had a lot of potential and was most likely pressured by management to get this out ASAP, but that pressure (whether internal or external) made it even more difficult for her to hone this as a "passion project." I'm just a little disappointed because I think her lyricism is often crafty and clever, and it would have been good for her to include more of those elements in this book. Anyway ty for this video; I always appreciate your nuanced and thorough critiques ✨
The thing to me, is I really enjoy a great deal of the Marina's music and lyrics, I feel she could have released this as lyrics that didn't quite make it into a song and her fans would have responded well to that. I am obsessed with King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard and they often do release demos and other things that haven't quite made it into a song (though these are usually musical bits, not lyrical), sometimes those bits do make it into a song later down the line.
Perhaps a contributing factor to why you fell out of love with her music is because you changed as a person, and it no longer spoke to you in the same way it did when you were younger? I can recall songs and albums that really resonated with me back when I was at university That don't anymore. In saying that, I think that her recent project Ancient Dreams in a Modern Land has some fun stuff on there and I like it overall. She has been doing the feminist thing for a while now to be fair, though I can't speak to how genuine it is
I have no idea who Pamela August Russell is but her "B is for Bad Poetry" (2009) is a good read. Short, funny, sad, brilliant stuff. It's been on my shelf for years. Excerpt: "Schadenfreude Encore" I watched you fall in love again and couldn't help but laugh.
I remember talking to some people and they were like "i love marina" wnd i was like me too i adore the family jewels! And they were like ew.... No i like froot... And it was like oh...? I love some of her newest album and her first 2 but havent listened to froot or love+ fear, i think shes back embracing a wierd aand uniqueness from the family jewels.
The people who make "The Book" need to make different ads. I see them all the time on youtube and they have the same energy as all the doomsday prepper patriot MRE's and stuff. I thought, gee it would be cool if a book like that existed but the ad gave tinfoil hat club vibes. Maybe it's just because i live in the southern US, so I get a lot of doomsday prepper ads and maybe it's just me, but I would never have seriously considered it if not for this recommendation.
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out of her recent music my fav song by far is “goodbye” which came out like 3 years ago so maybe give that a go. but other than that i haven’t connected with her more recent music either
Hi Rachel, I find some parts of this video hard to listen to as your mic was buzzing here and there, in the early first reactions of the book after you finished it. Your mic in your usual section (more in depth discussion of the book) seems fine though...
It’s boring and shows no real talent for poetry. There’s no substance. It’s the same as every other “poetry” book written like this. It’s extremely surface level, which is something I’ve noticed about her in recent years. There’s an extreme level of performance when it comes to her values and words. It just feels forced and fake.
Have you watched the video? There are many examples of her poems listed and analyzed that absolutely have a deeper meaning and show that she does have potential.
Around 16:00 , could it be more akin to a YT video becoming second-channel material or a short? Are we maybe ascribing more value to her songs than she values them?
Lol i have pretty much the same opinions on marina's music career as you, i just wish she had released a mv for bugglebum bitch bcs all her mvs from that era were just so fun conceptually
I didn't know who MARINA was, and i never listened to her music. I didn't think her poetry was bad and i though the imagery was wonderful but it felt like she lost her true creativity that made her vulnerable and i hope she could learn to have that creativity again if she decides to do another poetry book. To me, the poems in the book was more better than Drake's "poem."
i think that these work more as essays, some kind of confessions rather than Poems Maybe the reviews would be Kinder if it wasnt marketed as Poems but rather a stream of consciousness type essays?
Lovely video .constructive criticism: a little thing. Could you have a think about how much you tap, spin, wiggle etc, the book u r discussing. It's distracting and anxiety making. The Ultimate Guide... book ur promoting is like analogue internet. 😂 very beautiful.
She might just have ADHD though lol. As someone with it, I tend to do the same unless if I take out something like a fidget cube. So maybe her videos just aren't for you if it physically (and mentally) affects you that much? She can't just stop her (possible) ADHD habits lmao.
i feel like these celebrities rarely read classic poetry i don’t mean it has to be like classic by any means, i just mean it seems like they’d prefer to write essays insteed…? or in marina’s case, it seems like these were journals turned into song rejects turned into a book :/
I uh...you can just criticize something and say that it's bad or wish it was better and it does not have anything to do with misogyny. I criticize plenty of books written by men, does that make me a misandrist? On the other side, if I criticize work written by a woman does that automatically make me a misogynist? No, I'm looking at the text and reacting to it. That's what she's doing here too, it's not that deep. Saying oh this is just motivated by misogyny or whatever is just...a way to try to wave off valid criticism that someone has for a piece of art and trying to shut down conversation.
@@infinitecurlieNot to mention that it's utterly lazy thinking. A refusal to look or think beyond the superficial and a rejection of nuance. So absurd.
ahhhh i hate the title. oh i HATE it. the riot grrl ziney look is cute but that is a *poor* title. thats like... chatgpt, what is should i call my girlboss poetry book? eta of *course* there's tumbrised ED content, of *course* there is. that felt *very* glamourising.
There's a jarring contrast between the quality of this kind of text and the care in analyzing it. It would be more beneficial for everyone to spend this time on something by a gifted poet, past or present, who worked hard and produced something original or complex as a result.
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Just ordered one with 10% off ($20 AuD). I think this would be far more useful to my newphews than a Good News Bible!
i never understand why song writers never just sell these "poetry collections" as an Unfinished Songs Collection. like it solves the issue of the "poems" being a bit shit/analysed the way poetry is, and selling them as unfinished to start with means that the artist won't feel like they have to "finish" the piece to make it a complete poem. Plus, I feel like a fan of the musician is more likely to be excited to read lyrics/songs that never were over poetry.
I agree 1000%. I feel like if singer-songwriters released an unfinished drafts/unpublished songs/demo book instead of forcing poetry, it would bode way better with their fans. Having a huge fanbase like hers, we would have eaten that up as it's refreshing to see the creative process and ideas that were being entertained but not finished.
yeah exactly. it's nice for the fans to see what got left on the cutting room floor and it just manages the reader's expectations. if you aren't expecting polished poetry you won't be mad that you didn't get it.
Right? Post unfinished songs on their social media and ask the audience to critique or add to it. That would be great clicks and engagement for the creator and fun for the fans to feel involved. The pay wall for these published books is really what Rachel criticizes the most. She's only harsh when they sell lazy work to their fans based on nothing but their name
When you talk about it seeming more indie and less produced- in 2022 she literally left her major label and started her own
She's back with a poetry video!! You're the reason I got more into poetry and I've really looked forward to another poetry video! So excited!
I'll be perfectly honest I haven't watched the whole video. I got her poetry book for myself for Christmas. And ive been listening to marina for awhile. Probably close to 10 years so I'm super bias. But you always do such a great job at you poetry reviews I'm sure you had a lot of great points, and do have a lot of great points.
I liked her poetry collection, I'm by no means super into poetry. And while I could tell it wasn't perfect. I appreciate it seemed like she tried. More so then like milk and honey, or Gabbie where its just like a tumbler post in a poem. Also I thought her poetry was definitely something I would expect from her. From listening to a lot of her music. I appreciated some of the raw and honest language in places. I really liked Land of Limbs. She's definitely has talent especially in her music. I overall liked the collection, I am happy I spent money on it. And I hope she improves in her work overtime and releases more.
I do agree it definitely wasn't riot girl, female empowerment. This poetry book seems in theme with Electra Heart. Maybe more reflecting on the sadness, and trauma of her late teens and early 20s. Not in a self reflective way. But in the motions, she reflected her headspace at the time. Which is the personal vibe I got.
I just bought The Book. I'd seen it around, and knowing it's legitimate and promoted by you made me get it. It looks a lot like "How to invent everything" by Ryan North. I'm very excited to get it.
These poems read distinctly like spontaneously written journal entries. I love the poems you pull up for comparison though. I hadnt come across the one with the lillies before. Please keep making more poetry content- you have a talent for analysis and your videos are a joy to watch. 🖤
26:18 Beginning of actual poetry analysis
Omg I’ve never been so early to one of your uploads!! Love the poetry reviews, Rachel! Thank you :)
16:23 i dont think thats what she meant, i think she just meant the form was better as a poem? I dont think she meant that they were literally just scrapped songs. I kept listening to you talking about it and I really dont think thats what she said at all
I got the opposite. I understood it as "I couldn't make these work as songs so I decided they should be poetry instead". It's literally recycling things that didn't really do well to make money. Hell artists do it all the time with demos they never realease. They don't know how to finish a song so they call it a demo and release it as is. Which isn't wrong or bad as they at least don't claim it is a finished refined piece. Which is kind of the issue here. She doesn't claim these are scrapped songs that didn't work out or she couldn't make them work out as songs. But instead she just slapped a label of them being poems in order to sell it as a whole new different work than maybe a demo nobody would've cared about.
A similar thing would be just making a drawing and it turning out bad or never finish it, just to claim it was meant to look like that from the start. Rather than admit it didn't work because it wasn't good for anything. Or me write a book, then add some random scenario and then claim it was meant from the start just to make the product seem done and professional (I did it once in a story and I don't think it was good but I was less than 18 when I wrote that).
Commenting for engagement! Cant wait to listen to this when i get home from work!
Matches is one of my favorite poems in Reflections On Healing. I also really love the beach landscape photograph following it
Thank you!!
Yay for a new poetry video! You got me into poetry, and now I love it.
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cant wait to listen!!! excited as always! :)
I dont think it's terrible, she may not be the best but i listen to her and love her music quite a bit. Not a superfan either but i do like her! And she seems like a good person as well. Im interested what you think of this book
My knowledge of Marina (& the Diamonds) only extends to her tracks that were remixed - Primadonna, I Am Not A Robot, Radioactive - and her work with Clean Bandit - Baby. Very basic, but she does have a good singing voice. Her lyrical skills... are Hit n Miss to me.
Please do a poetry analysis video of self published collections that u liked
I liked it! But all poetry is subjective. There’s plenty of poems from supposed “master poets” that I didn’t like which is totally valid. So if you like it great! If you don’t, great!
Honestly, the only sponsored thing I'd ever buy. I don't think it's available in my country and even if it was, a book like this is going to be hella expensive to get shipped. Still, this is possibly the only sponsored thing I'd ever buy. Seems just the perfect thing for my voracious hunger for knowledge.
Yay!!! Another poetry video by Rachel!!!!
1:06:53 "if i want good lyrics, ill read a poem" isnt that exactly what you didnt like about marina's intro? Switching the two out and not appreciating them as seperate art forms?
She was pretty tired at this point in the video, but I think what she was trying to say was that in her opinion a song needs to be appreciated as a marriage of music and lyrics and that it’s not a good song if only the lyrics are good.
Quite the opposite. I said if I want *just* good lyrics. I’m saying from a song, I also want all the other aspects of music to be good. If I only want the bits of good poetry then I’ll just read poetry but if I want the bits of good linguistics and rhythm and music and everything else then I’ll choose a song I like. I’m literally saying that I don’t just like a song for one part of it but for how it all comes together as a whole piece of art. When people assume I’ll like a song because maybe the musics work as good “poetry”, it misunderstands what both good poetry it and what good music is. If I want the bits that people assume I want, I’ll pick a poem to listen to, but with music I want a whole different package so I’m looking for other things. I’m the one separating the art forms, not the people telling me to listen to stuff just because they like the lyrics.
idk about her poetry but her songs were top notch!
The discussion and sponsor made me think of two books on my tbr, "Rebel Girl" by Kathleen Hanna (musician memior), and "How to invent evrrything: a survival guide for the stranded time traveller" by Ryan North.
If you eat the world it implies that, about a day later, you will shit the world
Yay! I love the poetry reviews! I also love that little grumble pig! Kyra is the bestest staffy!
I got The Book for my brother for Christmas and it’s gorgeous and he loved it kinda expensive but a good splurge gift!
I'm actually so stoked for this video hahaha
Personally quite enjoy Marina's Love + Fear album and Electra Heart. As well as Froot. But haven't listened to anything past Love+Fear. Interested to watch the video.
I'm gonna watch later today just dropping a like and a comment right at the start
Thank you for another video Rachel ❤️
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I loveee Marina so I like the book a lot as a curious fan as it is autobiographical. As a poetry writer, however, it's definitely lacking the majority of poetry conventions that make a poem a *poem* you know? I am all for breaking the rules, creating your own, etc. but these must be done with a purpose and with consistency. I personally feel like this book had a lot of potential and was most likely pressured by management to get this out ASAP, but that pressure (whether internal or external) made it even more difficult for her to hone this as a "passion project." I'm just a little disappointed because I think her lyricism is often crafty and clever, and it would have been good for her to include more of those elements in this book. Anyway ty for this video; I always appreciate your nuanced and thorough critiques ✨
The thing to me, is I really enjoy a great deal of the Marina's music and lyrics, I feel she could have released this as lyrics that didn't quite make it into a song and her fans would have responded well to that. I am obsessed with King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard and they often do release demos and other things that haven't quite made it into a song (though these are usually musical bits, not lyrical), sometimes those bits do make it into a song later down the line.
Love your poetry reviews!❤
Perhaps a contributing factor to why you fell out of love with her music is because you changed as a person, and it no longer spoke to you in the same way it did when you were younger? I can recall songs and albums that really resonated with me back when I was at university That don't anymore.
In saying that, I think that her recent project Ancient Dreams in a Modern Land has some fun stuff on there and I like it overall. She has been doing the feminist thing for a while now to be fair, though I can't speak to how genuine it is
I didnt even know marina had a poetry book
I have no idea who Pamela August Russell is but her "B is for Bad Poetry" (2009) is a good read. Short, funny, sad, brilliant stuff. It's been on my shelf for years.
Excerpt: "Schadenfreude Encore"
I watched you fall
in love again
and couldn't help
but laugh.
I remember talking to some people and they were like "i love marina" wnd i was like me too i adore the family jewels! And they were like ew.... No i like froot... And it was like oh...?
I love some of her newest album and her first 2 but havent listened to froot or love+ fear, i think shes back embracing a wierd aand uniqueness from the family jewels.
family jewels is my absolute favorite album of hers and my favorite album of all time, i can’t believe people dislike it?!
The people who make "The Book" need to make different ads. I see them all the time on youtube and they have the same energy as all the doomsday prepper patriot MRE's and stuff. I thought, gee it would be cool if a book like that existed but the ad gave tinfoil hat club vibes. Maybe it's just because i live in the southern US, so I get a lot of doomsday prepper ads and maybe it's just me, but I would never have seriously considered it if not for this recommendation.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one put off by The Book's marketing. All the ads I saw gave me MLM/woo woo pseudointellectual wellness scam vibes 😂
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out of her recent music my fav song by far is “goodbye” which came out like 3 years ago so maybe give that a go. but other than that i haven’t connected with her more recent music either
Love your channel rachel. You are stunning. You are always interesting
Hi Rachel, I find some parts of this video hard to listen to as your mic was buzzing here and there, in the early first reactions of the book after you finished it. Your mic in your usual section (more in depth discussion of the book) seems fine though...
Not Rachel saying *her* name like she's Voldemort
i've been waiting for this one!
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So when I read this book I didn’t read it as a book of poetry but as if it were an Ellen Hopkins book as if it were written in free verse.
Wow that last one is a showstopper. I had chills
The second one feels more like a micro story than a poem.
Well, I’ll go listen to Ellie Goulding‘s and Marinas first two albums again now. I LOVE those 🤩
For a good book review I'd love to see you look at Samantha Shannon's books!
It’s boring and shows no real talent for poetry. There’s no substance. It’s the same as every other “poetry” book written like this. It’s extremely surface level, which is something I’ve noticed about her in recent years. There’s an extreme level of performance when it comes to her values and words. It just feels forced and fake.
Have you watched the video? There are many examples of her poems listed and analyzed that absolutely have a deeper meaning and show that she does have potential.
Around 16:00 , could it be more akin to a YT video becoming second-channel material or a short? Are we maybe ascribing more value to her songs than she values them?
Lol i have pretty much the same opinions on marina's music career as you, i just wish she had released a mv for bugglebum bitch bcs all her mvs from that era were just so fun conceptually
I didn't know who MARINA was, and i never listened to her music. I didn't think her poetry was bad and i though the imagery was wonderful but it felt like she lost her true creativity that made her vulnerable and i hope she could learn to have that creativity again if she decides to do another poetry book. To me, the poems in the book was more better than Drake's "poem."
Im curious what you think of Geena Rocero's "Horse Barbie" ❤
i think that these work more as essays, some kind of confessions rather than Poems
Maybe the reviews would be Kinder if it wasnt marketed as Poems but rather a stream of consciousness type essays?
I'm so happy about this one!
I LOVE marina !!! About to watch but need to say I think she ATE🤭
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Lovely video .constructive criticism: a little thing. Could you have a think about how much you tap, spin, wiggle etc, the book u r discussing. It's distracting and anxiety making.
The Ultimate Guide... book ur promoting is like analogue internet. 😂 very beautiful.
She might just have ADHD though lol. As someone with it, I tend to do the same unless if I take out something like a fidget cube. So maybe her videos just aren't for you if it physically (and mentally) affects you that much? She can't just stop her (possible) ADHD habits lmao.
i feel like these celebrities rarely read classic poetry
i don’t mean it has to be like classic by any means, i just mean it seems like they’d prefer to write essays insteed…? or in marina’s case, it seems like these were journals turned into song rejects turned into a book :/
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Literally just as I finished your boy moms vid 😂
As much as i like some of her music, her poetry is... certainly words
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Poetry is subjective but I gotta say that most criticisms aimed towards women artists are motivated by misogyny, so… you know
I uh...you can just criticize something and say that it's bad or wish it was better and it does not have anything to do with misogyny. I criticize plenty of books written by men, does that make me a misandrist? On the other side, if I criticize work written by a woman does that automatically make me a misogynist? No, I'm looking at the text and reacting to it. That's what she's doing here too, it's not that deep.
Saying oh this is just motivated by misogyny or whatever is just...a way to try to wave off valid criticism that someone has for a piece of art and trying to shut down conversation.
@@infinitecurlieNot to mention that it's utterly lazy thinking. A refusal to look or think beyond the superficial and a rejection of nuance. So absurd.
@@infinitecurlieMaybe I should've been more clear.
*Most* criticisms aimed towards women artists *from men* are motivated by misogyny. Just saying 🤷.
Never been this early 🥳
The absolute worst poetry was written by Paula Nancy Milstone-Jennings. Luckily it was destroyed when the earth was.
She’s perfect she’s so talented so sick of people with little success sitting back and dragging people
ahhhh i hate the title. oh i HATE it.
the riot grrl ziney look is cute but that is a *poor* title. thats like... chatgpt, what is should i call my girlboss poetry book?
eta of *course* there's tumbrised ED content, of *course* there is. that felt *very* glamourising.
There's a jarring contrast between the quality of this kind of text and the care in analyzing it. It would be more beneficial for everyone to spend this time on something by a gifted poet, past or present, who worked hard and produced something original or complex as a result.
To be 100% honest, my expectations for poetry from the woman who wrote the line "I wanna be immortal, like a bird in the sky" are not extremely high
And that's as someone who LOVES her songs
The lyric is…
I wanna be immortal
Like a GOD in the sky
“Like a GOD in the sky”
For someone who loves her songs you still got the lyrics wrong@@thunder-san1377