Matthew 16:13-17(King James) "When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, BUT MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN." John 20:17(King James) "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to MY FATHER: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER, and YOUR FATHER; and to MY GOD, and YOUR GOD." John 20:30,31(King James) "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
He shall be called Immanuel. What does that mean? He shall be called Eternal Father, Mighty God. Who is that referencing? We are idiotic to think Elohim fits in our understanding
If you read the context and surrounding verses you will see the following: Revelation 1 1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which GOD GAVE HIM to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw-that is, the word of God AND the testimony of Jesus Christ. (So God Gave the Revelation to Jesus and an angel was sent to relay it to John - also it differentiates the word of God and the testimony of Jesus)
Ask my question who's in charged In heaven if jehovah became a human like us plus why would he come down to earth the bible said God send Jesus which means jehovahs son
John 10:30-33 30I and the Father are one. 31The Jews then took up stones to stone him. 32Jesus answered them: Many good works I have shewed you from my Father; for which of these works do you stone me? 33The Jews answered him: For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, maketh thyself God. -In verse 30 Jesus says the he and the Father are one. -In verse 31 right after Jesus had said that he and the Father are one, the Jews then took up stones to stone him. -In verse 32 Jesus ask them for what work he was being stoned by them. -In verse 33 is the answer. There answer is that because he committed blasphemy. The Jews specifically state that the blasphemy was quote “For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that though, being a man, make yourself God.” -In short Jesus said that he and the Father are one. Then immediately the Jews took up stones. The Jews wanted to stone him because they claimed that Jesus made himself God. Also in Luke 1:41-43 Elizabeth says the following: 41And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. Luke 43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? -in verse 41 you can see that Elizabeth was quote “ filled with the Holy Ghost”. So whatever she is about to say in verse 42 and 43 MUST BE TRUE because she was “filled with the Holy Ghost” - in verse 42 she cries out with a loud voice and says that Mary is blessed among woman and blessed is the fruit of they womb -In VERSE 43 Elizabeth while being “filled with the Holy Ghost” clearly calls Mary the mother of my Lord. Mary only had one child and his name is Jesus. And Elizabeth called Mary mother of my Lord. Mary is mother of Jesus and Elizabeth calls Mary mother of my Lord. And if you want to know who the Lord is more specifically John 20:28 answers it. John 20:28Thomas answered, and said to him: My Lord, and my God. -in verse 28 Thomas in this verse calls Jesus quote “ My Lord, and my God.” Thomas specifically calls Jesus God. Also in Colossians 2:9 it says the following: Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally; For anyone who has a problem with 3 being one. 1 John 5:7 says the following: 1 John 5:7And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one. -in verse 7 The bible clearly shows that 3 are 1. The Father is God, The Word is Jesus, and together with the Holy Ghost they make 3 BUT THESE 3 are one. In conclusion Jesus is God.
There are many Christian groups that believe the claim of the Evangelists : Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, but NOT that Jesus is God Almighty. If you claim that Jesus is God Almighy or Jehovah/Yahweh then you have a problem : Who is the God that Jesus/Jehovah prayed to and worshipped, the one that he called My God. (John 20 :17; Rev 3 :12). Clearly Tom does not understand that the sharing of titles does not equate with the sharing of identity. Many others are called God in the Bible such as Moses; Judges; Hebrew Kings; etc but surely even Tom does not believe that this actually makes them God Almighty. Indeed, in John 10:34-36 Jesus himself makes the point that if Judges can be called gods, why is it supposedly blasphemy for Jesus to call himself God's son. It is somewhat ironic that Tom Rev chapte 1 when from the very first verse, Jesus is depicted as one other than God; the one to whom God gives the vision. The differentiation between Jesus and God continues in verses 2, 4&5, 6 and continues throughout the entire book of Revelation. Perhaps Tom fails to understand that there are many Christians who believe in the deity of Christ but who understand that doctrines such as the Holy Trinity are post-Apostolic and although developed and accepted by later generations of Christians, were not explicitly taught in the NT. It is therefore anachronistic to read such into the text of the NT.
Sorry, but the whitnesses are Right in this case. Jesus is not The God. He never declared himself to be the almighty. In John Jesus is Theos, not Ho Theos (wich means THE God)
Hé is God because only God you can worship. There are many scriptures that show he is worship. Look up this.Matt. 2:2,8,11;4:9;8:2;9:18;14:33;15:25;18:26;20:20;28:9,17 Mark 5:6;15:19 Luke 4:7;24:52 John 4:20 Heb.1:6 acts 7:59,60 that is only few verses but the NWT change worship to obeisance to fit their agenda but read the KJV
The argument here is that there is one almighty God what the Bible says in Isaiah 43 is there were no Gods formed after me and no Gods formed before me I am the Lord there is no other. God himself said he did not form another God after himself so you cannot call Jesus a mighty God because Jehovah said he did not create Jesus it is very simple a five-year-old could understand. The problem is the Watchtower wants him to be a little G God because it is obvious he forgive sins like God the Pharisees tried to kill him in book of John for making himself God by healing people on the Sabbath the saying that he himself was Lord of the Sabbath Jehovah's Witnesses would say that the father just gave him this Authority and that is true because Jesus in Philippians 2 humbled himself in the form of man but it also says in Philippians 2 he was in God's form Hebrews one also says that he is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature Jesus Is God he is your savior he died for your sins he was 100% God and 100% man
Titus 2:13 also says that he is God also Hebrews 1 and Psalms 102 are exactly the same there are many scriptures that Yahweh is speaking and then in the New Testament the father even attributes them to Jesus in Hebrews 1 the New World Translation is a gross translation many scholars believe it is the worst Bible ever created even though they believe it is the true Bible but not one of them or Bible scholars when it was translated but Hebrews one the father says to the son your throne oh God is forever and ever the father calls Jesus God he even has the Angels worship Him in Hebrews 1 It also says that he is superior to Angels and that to none of the angels has the father ever called a son
Really, you want to go with that "no definite article" argument? You really need to listen to the video. Jesus declared HIMSELF to be "The Almighty" in Revelation 1:8. He identifies Himself as the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. That is a title that ONLY God can have. Jesus is speaking in Revelation, not the Father. If you are still sticking to the Watchtower's indefinite article argument? Then you have no clue as to Greek grammar. Please, look up John 1:6. Is there an indefinite article in the Greek? There is not. So I guess your translation must say,"...there came a man sent from A god"? NO, it doesn't, YOUR translation broke it's own rule. Why? Because YOUR Watchtower couldn't translate itself out of a barn. Just do any research outside of the Watchtower, and you'll find you've been lied to, over and over again. But let's just say your Watchtower is right. Then is Jesus a True god or a false god? Remember, Isaiah didn't use any qualifying words from Yahweh when God said THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BESIDES HIM. Isaiah 43:10. And within the VERY NEXT verse, "Jehovah' says "And besides Me, there is NO Savior". (emphasis mine). Interesting, isn't it? So Jesus isn't THE Savior then?
Only the Jehovah witness Bible translates John one first one as a God. Show me one other translation other than the Jehovah witness that translates it that way?
Thank you for that, however I must point out to you Rev 1:11 in your KJ Bible has some spurious text there as Vs 11 actually says in 99% of all the Bible "which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”" Did YOU NOTICE that Vs 11 does NOT begin with the words "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last " So straight away that undermines YOUR stance ! The oldest complete manuscripts that we have to date such as the Codex Sinaitiucus does NOT have these spurious words which your KJ bible has, so you are on your own there as 99% of all other translations do not, which make the first part of your argument "null & void" Here, check some of them out for yourself ! New International Version which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.” New Living Translation It said, “Write in a book everything you see, and send it to the seven churches in the cities of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.” English Standard Version saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.” New World Translation saying: “What you see, write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations: in Ephʹe·sus, in Smyrʹna, in Perʹga·mum,y in Thy·a·tiʹra, in Sarʹdis, in Philadelphia,b and in La·o·di·ceʹ New American Standard Bible saying, “Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.” NASB 1995 saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.” American Standard Version saying, What thou seest, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamum, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. Now that we have cleared that up, on to Vs 17-18 Your are VERY MISTAKEN , you have NOT represent Jehovah's Witnesses correctly and have TWISTED what we teach, as Vs 17-18 is talking about Jesus and NOT his father Jehovah , we do NOT say that Vs 17 is Jehovah speaking, it is YOU who say that...... Vs 17 in context is about Jesus being the “First and Last”, and was relative to just the matter of Christ Jesus’ death and resurrection, as verse 18 shows. Christ was the first one raised in the first resurrection, and the last one that will be raised directly by Jehovah God. Others who follow in that resurrection will be raised by God through Christ.. So to recap : First of all you use a spurious scripture at Vs 11, And secondly you proceed to twist what JW's teach at Vs17 and misrepresent us in that you tell your audience that we say Vs 17 is about God Jehovah when we DO NOT say that . ...................I don't think that you are going to convince any one of Jehovah's Witnesses of your dogma based on that !
U are right and wrong 1st off all God is a family He is not a Trinity it's God the father Nd God the son the Holy spirit is the power of God the, the word Trinity is no way in the Holy bible HiLo him said let us make man in our image Nd in our likeness Hilo is a family of God a son of a dog will be a dog a son of a cat will be a cat so if God the father says we are he's children so what are we we are going to be God we are going to be in the family of God when the Lord Jesus Christ comes
They are both the Alpha and the Omega as they are one but not the same. What you all fail to understand the conversation here is between John, Jehovah, the Angel and Jesus. When we read Revelation 22:12 It’s clear to see that Jesus is also the Alpha and the Omega spoken of in Rev 22:12 “Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to repay each one according to his work.13 I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. 14 Happy are those who wash their robes, so that they may have authority to go to the trees of life and that they may gain entrance into the city through its gates. 15 Outside are the dogs* and those who practice spiritism and those who are sexually immoral* and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices lying.’ 16 “‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of Davidu and the bright morning star.’” 17 And the spirit and the bridew keep on saying, “Come!” and let anyone hearing say, “Come!” and let anyone thirsting come;x let anyone who wishes take life’s water free.y 18 “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;a 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of lifeb and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll. 20 “The one who bears witness of these things says, ‘Yes, I am coming quickly.’” “Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.” 21 May the undeserved kindness of the Lord Jesus be with the holy ones.
"Your interpretation of Revelation misrepresents biblical distinctions and the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses. People wonder why Jehovah's Witnesses remain loyal to Watchtower; you could have possibly touched on a subject that could have helped a JW come to their senses, like their ridiculous teachings about 1914, but no, you decided to talk about dogmas unrelated to salvation, and things you clearly don't have business talking about. Revelation 1:8 describes Jehovah as 'The Alpha and the Omega,' signifying 'the Beginning and the End,' emphasizing His eternal nature and sovereignty over creation. Revelation 1:17-18 refers to Jesus as 'the First and the Last,' emphasizing his authority and preeminence. This phrase also alludes to Jesus being the firstborn from the dead, drawing from other scriptures where Jesus is called the last Adam. However, it doesn't equate him with Jehovah, who has never died. Jehovah is never described as having died. Jesus is never called the Alpha and Omega. Revelation 1:6 refers to 'the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,' distinguishing Jehovah from Jesus. Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus acknowledges Jehovah as his God, emphasizing Jesus as the Son, contrary to the Trinity, not found in the scriptures. You're misrepresenting scripture and Jehovah's Witness beliefs. It's not a good look, quite embarrassing."
Jesus is the first created being but he definitely not the angel. Jesus is God but he was directly from the Father… Jesus is Fully God because the Father had allowed this transaction. Jesus could take on the identity of His Father but he was just also first born of all creation. Jesus could also be considered the beginning and the end and not lie because he also can speak on his fathers behalf and could also be called Jehovah because he and the Father share same identity except being the same literal person. I see where Jehova’s witness has issue with Trinity and I see trinitarians flaw denying Jesus being created.
So then if Jesus is the first created being, he cannot be God, unless God was created !! Here is a scripture to keep in mind: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, Eph 1:3 So the question is: "WHO is the God and father of Jesus Christ ?
@@STROND He was going all smooth till he said Jesus was created, let me correct you it's written before Jesus came has a human, he existed with the father as word that means Jesus is the flesh form voice of God representing Himself 😄
Explain my message on revelation. Is Jehovah the Alpha the Omega the first the last. And in revelation one verse 17, the first and the last was dead. So when did Jehovah die?
@@halinakozlowska2672 Actually you’re completely wrong on that Jesus actually calls himself Almighty in revelation chapter 1 verse seven verse eight, and the Almighty God Jesus claims to be Jehovah God several times multitudes of times. So just say that Jesus is Michael the Archangel is actually really stupid because the Bible says that Jesus has authority to judge all sin Michael the Archangel does not. The Bible also says that all the angels in heaven worship Christ so therefore you’re implying that Michael the archangel receives worship if he’s Christ but you said it was wrong to worship Christ and that would be idolatry no actually Christ Jesus received worship from angels in mankind and still does so to say that Jesus Christ is not Almighty God even though he claims to be Almighty God it’s actually a really stupid strawman argument I’ll show you the verses where he claims to be and why he is the Almighty God. And Jesus is worshiped like I said by angels in mankind so if Jesus is Michael the Archangel then you’re going against Revelation chapter 19 verse 10, and the Bible says that Jesus Christ is the creator of all things. This is a question I quite often get asked in relation to conversations with Jehovah’s Witnesses and the New World Translation (NWT). The NWT translates the end of John 1.1 as ‘the Word as a god’ in order to avoid the identification of Jesus with the God of the Old Testament, and avoid seeing Jesus as God incarnate, part of the Trinity, as does orthodox Christian belief. As we will see, this is an incorrect translation of the Greek text. It is quite straightforward, though sounds a little technical to explain. Here goes. The Greek of John 1.1 is as follows, transliterated into English letters: En arche en ho logos, kai ho logos pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos. If you don’t read Greek, you need to know a couple of things. The first is that the word ho is called the ‘definite article’ which in English would be translated ‘the.’ The second is that Greek does not have an ‘indefinite article’ (English ‘a’), but instead simply omits the article. The term for this is ‘anarthrous’. The third is that, whereas in English we show what words are doing in a sentence by word order, in Greek this is shown by what case a word is in. Each word can be in one of four (or five) cases-the subject of a verb (often the thing doing an action) is always in the nominative case. You can see near the end of John 1.1 that we have theos without an article, and logos throughout with the article. The reason is that, in any phrase where the main verb is ‘to be’, there will not be a subject and an object (as in ‘I pat my dog’ where ‘I’ am the subject and ‘my dog’ is the object of the action), but only subjects in ‘apposition’, that is, agreeing with one another. So when I say ‘My pet is a dog’ both ‘pet’ and ‘dog’ are subjects, and in Greek would be in the nominative case. The question is: how can I tell the difference in Greek between the sentences ‘My pet is a dog’ and ‘My dog is a pet’ which have quite different senses. (The first is telling you which animal I have as a pet, the second is telling what kind of relationship my dog has to me.) In English, we do it by word order, but you cannot do this in Greek since, as an inflected language (ie one with different cases), it is flexible in word order. And you cannot do it by the usual trick of different cases, since both are in the nominative as subjects of the verb ‘to be’. So Greek does it by making the word in apposition (the ‘dog’ in the first example) anarthrous, that is, without the definite article. In other words, theos en ho logos means ‘the word was God’, which tells us something about the nature of the word, whereas ho theos en logos would mean ‘God was the word’ which is telling us something about the nature of God. In neither case does being anarthrous correspond to the English sense ‘a’, the indefinite article. So to translate this as ‘The Word was a god’ misunderstands the significance of omitting the article. As this sounds rather technical, I always find it more fruitful to read with Jehovah’s Witness Romans 10.13, ‘Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ The Greek here uses the word kurios; in the Greek Old Testament that Paul is citing here, this refers to Yahweh, the god of Israel. But Paul here clearly means ‘The Lord Jesus.’ The NWT appears to be embarrassed by this, and substitutes the word ‘Jehovah’. But it is very clear that in doing so the NWT is changing the text of Scripture.
@@halinakozlowska2672 Biblical Response The doctrine of the Trinity encompasses a great deal of the subject matter of the Bible. We have already dealt with much of the relevant subject matter in our earlier articles on Christ and the Holy Spirit. We will only be giving a brief overview here.12 1. There is one God, Yahweh (Jehovah), who alone is the creator and maker of everything else. The fundamental doctrine revealed in the Old Testament is that one God, called Yahweh (Jehovah, the LORD), created all things. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Gen. 1:1). In Isaiah, Yahweh says, “I am Yahweh, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who by myself spread out the earth” (Is. 44:24). Yahweh was not simply the architect of creation, but its only creator and maker. In contrast to the popular pagan religions of the time that credited a group of deities with making the world, the biblical prophets in Israel clearly taught that one God had made everything (see also Neh. 9:6; Ps. 102:25; Isa. 37:16; 40:25-26; 42:5; Jer. 10:16; 51:19). The New Testament affirms this basic biblical doctrine that one God “created all things” (Rev. 4:11; see also Acts 4:24; 14:15; 17:24). On the basis of his being the sole creator of heaven and earth, the Bible insists that Yahweh is the only true God. “To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh is God; there is no other besides him…. Yahweh is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other” (Deut. 4:35, 39; see also 1 Kings 8:60; Isa. 45:18-22). As Jeremiah put it, “Yahweh is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King…. The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens” (Jer. 10:10, 11). When Gentiles came to faith in Christ, they accepted this belief in one true God as they “turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God” (1 Thess. 1:9). Jehovah’s Witnesses actually deny this biblical understanding of monotheism in their doctrine of Christ by claiming that he was a created angel who created everything else. 2. The Son, who became the man Jesus Christ, is himself eternal God. We have already given quite a bit of attention to the Watchtower’s doctrine about the person of Christ, as we should considering the centrality of Christ to the New Testament. The Watchtower erroneously teaches that Christ was God’s first creature and the only creature that God made directly or immediately. After he made Christ, Jehovah supposedly empowered and instructed him to make the rest of creation as Jehovah’s assistant. We examined the biblical texts that the Watchtower misuses to support this doctrine and showed that the Bible teaches no such thing. We also explained why it is erroneous to identify Jesus as Michael the archangel. We also showed in another article that the New Testament repeatedly refers to Jesus as God (John 1:1; 20:28; Acts 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1; 1 John 5:20) and as “Lord,” meaning Yahweh or Jehovah (e.g., Mark 1:3; Rom. 10:9-13; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:9-11; 1 Peter 2:3; 3:13-15). For example, Paul writes: The New Testament reveals the deity of Christ in numerous ways. We are to honor the Son just as we honor the Father (John 5:23). This means worshiping Christ along with all of the angels and redeemed peoples of the world (Heb. 1:6; Rev. 5:14), praying to Christ (John 14:14; Rom. 10:12-13; 2 Cor. 12:8-9; Rev. 22:20-21), and showing him the same “fear of the Lord” as the Old Testament says we should show toward Yahweh (Eph. 5:21; 1 Peter 3:14-16; see Prov. 1:7; Isa. 8:12-13). He is eternal or uncreated (John 17:5; Heb. 7:3), immutable or unchanging in his divine nature (Heb. 1:10-12), omnipresent (Matt. 18:20; 28:20; Eph. 4:10-11), and possesses all of the other attributes of God (Col. 2:9; Heb. 1:3). He is the King of kings and Lord of lords (Rev. 17:14; 19:16; see Deut. 10:17; Psa. 136:2-3) and the Savior of the world (John 4:42; Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:11; 1 John 4:14). He speaks with divine authority (Matt. 24:35; Luke 4:32; John 4:26), so that his word is the “word of the Lord” (Acts 8:25; 13:44, 48-49; 1 Thess. 4:15). He forgives sinners of all their sins (Matt. 9:1-8; Acts 5:31; Col. 3:13). Along with the Father, Christ the Son is the source of all spiritual blessings (Eph. 1:2-3; 1 Tim. 1:2; 2 John 2; Rev. 1:4). He sits on the very throne of God, ruling forever over all creation (Rom. 8:34; Eph. 1:19-22; Heb. 1:2-3, 8; Rev. 22:1, 3). When all of these aspects of New Testament teaching are considered together, the conclusion that the authors considered Jesus Christ to be God is overwhelming. 3. The Holy Spirit is a divine person distinct from the Father and the Son. Just as there is very little in the Old Testament that refers explicitly to the Son as a divine person distinct from the Father, there is also very little if anything in the Old Testament that reveals the Holy Spirit to be a distinct divine person. In fact, the Old Testament has relatively little to say about the Spirit as compared to the New Testament. There are less than a hundred references to the Spirit in the whole Old Testament, whereas in the much shorter New Testament there are roughly 270 references to the Spirit. Most likely, the Old Testament did not speak clearly about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as distinct persons because its focus was on teaching Israel to believe in and worship the one God who made and rules the world, a notion that cut across the grain of their polytheistic civilization. As we saw in our article on the Holy Spirit, the New Testament provides a much richer revelation of the Holy Spirit. Just before his crucifixion, Jesus himself revealed to his disciples the existence of the Holy Spirit as a distinct divine person like himself (John 14-16). His promise concerning the coming of the Holy Spirit was fulfilled in the early church as reported in the Book of Acts (e.g., Acts 1:8; 5:32; 8:29; 10:19-20; 13:1-4; 15:28; 16:6-7; 20:28; 21:11). This person called the Spirit or the Holy Spirit is not a semi-divine being, separate from or inferior to God. Rather, the Holy Spirit is himself God (e.g., Acts 5:3-4). Thus, the New Testament teaches that the Holy Spirit is a third divine person, alongside the Father and the Son, and yet that there is only one God.13
@@halinakozlowska2672 Jesus "did not cease to be God when He became man," and "that Christ and the Father are one," which are true statements about the deity of God. It is also true that the Father is the Lord God Almighty, but it is a false statement to say, "that Jesus is not the Lord God Almighty." Why would God give Ellen a false statement about himself? The truth is that God did not reveal this, as God does not lie. The answer simply is this, Ellen G. White is a false prophet. What does Almighty mean, and does the definition apply to Christ? From the Greek Almighty means, 3841. pantokrator, pan-tok-rat'-ore; from G3956 and G2904; the all-ruling, i.e. God (as absolute and universal sovereign): -- Almighty, Omnipotent. Strong's Dictionary We then can say yes, this definition describes Christ as all-ruling, Almighty and Omnipotent. Does the Bible tell us that Christ to be called the Mighty God? Yes. (Isaiah 9:6 NIV) "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah tells us that Jesus is to be called the Mighty God. God in Hebrew means, 410. 'el, ale; short. from H352; strength; as adj. mighty; espec. the Almighty deity, power, strong. Comp. names in "-el." Strong's Dictionary This definition describes Jesus. We find the definition Almighty, meaning Omnipotent, and God, as meaning Almighty deity. On this evidence alone Jesus can be called Almighty God. Does Jesus call himself the Lord God Almighty? Yes Revelation 1:7 (NIV) "Look, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen." (Revelation 1:8 NIV) ""I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Who is coming in the clouds? Verse 7, the one who was pierced. Jesus. What is His name? Verse 8, the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God, the Almighty. (Revelation 22:12 NIV) "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done." (Revelation 22:13 NIV) "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Who gives rewards at His soon coming? Verses 12, 13, the Alpha and the Omega. (Matthew 16:27 NIV) "For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels, and then He will reward each person according to what he has done." Who is the Son of man that is coming in His Father's glory? Verse 27, it is The Son of Man, (Jesus). Compare with the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God Almighty that is coming and was pierced, in Revelation 1: 7,8. (Revelation 22:20 NIV) "He who testifies to these things says, 'Yes, I am coming soon.' Amen. Come, Lord Jesus." Who is coming soon? the Lord Jesus. Compare Revelation 22: 12,13 as the Alpha and Omega. Does It Make a Difference? Because of the authority given Ellen G. White by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, many that read her statement that "the man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty" will regard it as truth. What does this false statement do to the deity of Christ? It says that the Father and Son are not really equal in their deity and that the Father is the Lord God Almighty and Christ is somewhat of a lesser God. This is very similar to the beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses who believe that Jesus Christ is not God equal to the Father, and regard Him as just "a god " (with a small g). This is found in their New World Translation of John 1:1.The Wittiness also believe that Jesus is a mighty god and Jehovah is the Lord God Almighty. This gives Ellen G. White, the SDA Church and the Jehovah's Witness two Gods, one that is Almighty and one that is not as Almighty. The Truth Jesus Christ is called the Lord God Almighty, and the Alpha and Omega, Revelation 1:8, the same as the Father is called the Lord God Almighty and the Alpha and Omega. (Revelation 21:5-6) Almighty applies to Christ, from the Greek word "pantokrator," which means all-ruling, Almighty, Omnipotent. The Savior is equal to the Father, (Colossians 2:9 NIV) "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form," God bless you as you lift up Jesus to His full deity as the Lord God Almighty.
Amen also and I think Revelation 19 Jesus is coming with the Wrath of the Lord so my question to Jehovah's Witnesses would be how does Jesus come with the Lord's wrath and not be God himself also in Revelation 9 there's 144,000 and also the great crowd standing before the lamb they believe that the great crowd is only to live here on Earth but the scripture says they are standing Before the Throne so if they are Before the Throne they are in heaven with Jesus
600 years after Jesus, The religion of Islam taught that Jesus was no more than a legendary messenger who was the son of Mary sent by Allah to the Jews. We also believe in his return during the end of times to establish peace on Earth. یَـٰۤأَهۡلَ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبِ لَا تَغۡلُوا۟ فِی دِینِكُمۡ وَلَا تَقُولُوا۟ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ إِلَّا ٱلۡحَقَّۚ إِنَّمَا ٱلۡمَسِیحُ عِیسَى ٱبۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ رَسُولُ ٱللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُۥۤ أَلۡقَىٰهَاۤ إِلَىٰ مَرۡیَمَ وَرُوحࣱ مِّنۡهُۖ فَـَٔامِنُوا۟ بِٱللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِۦۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا۟ ثَلَـٰثَةٌۚ ٱنتَهُوا۟ خَیۡرࣰا لَّكُمۡۚ إِنَّمَا ٱللَّهُ إِلَـٰهࣱ وَ ٰحِدࣱۖ سُبۡحَـٰنَهُۥۤ أَن یَكُونَ لَهُۥ وَلَدࣱۘ لَّهُۥ مَا فِی ٱلسَّمَـٰوَ ٰتِ وَمَا فِی ٱلۡأَرۡضِۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِٱللَّهِ وَكِیلࣰا﴿ ١٧١ ﴾ O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!-for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs. An-Nisa', Ayah 171
In answer to your question, Jesus comes with the Lords wrath because his father and his God Yehovah gives it to him, simple ! Jesus said all authority has been GIVEN TO ME, so the question to you is "who gave him the authority" ? Please read Rev 1:1 which says " The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him" So the question is "WHO gave Jesus the revelation ? was it not God, so then he can't be God now can he, unless he is giving the revelation to himself !
You might also want to read Rev 14: 14-15 which says: "14 And I looked and saw a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was One like the Son of Man, with a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand. 15 Then another angel came out of the temple, crying out in a loud voice to the One seated on the cloud, “Swing Your sickle and reap, because the time has come to harvest; for the crop of the earth is ripe.” So, we all know that the son of man in Vs 14 is Jesus, but then in Vs 15 we get to to see another angel telling Jesus to "put in his sickle and reap." Can you really God having to be told what to do and when to do it if Jesus is God ? Can you imagine God being ordered what to do by an angel ? This Jesus is God mentality is really going to get people into trouble when we eventually have to make a standing before Jehovah, the FATHER & God of Jesus. Please see Jesus for who he is, it is not a case of who is right and who is wrong, but rather our eternal welfare depends on it.....Regards
@@STROND but why does the scripture say that Jesus is Alpha and Omega the one who died and is alive again when did the father die? And how could Jesus be Alpha and Omega if he wasn't God? not, x I am the first and the last, 18#and the living one. y I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and z I have the keys of Death and Hades That is revelation 1:8 and 18
Jesus claiming to be God Job 19:25 KJV ( Job's prophecy) For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: Revelation 1:18 KJV (Jesus) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. _________________________ Jeremiah 17:10 KJV ( God) I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. Revelation 2:23 KJV ( Jesus) I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. Summarizing my understanding of Job 19:25-29 Job 19:25-29 is making a prophecy of eloah h433, God, who will stand upon the Earth in the last days. Though worms will destroy Job's skin and body, in his flesh he will see God with his own eyes to behold him despite the understanding that his deceptive heart ( his reins) would consume him. Job positioned himself in his friends perspective, questioning why would they persecute him ( God) seeing that the problem is found in me (Job)? Job warns for those to be afraid of the sword, for the wrath that brings punishment. Which means whoever knows, knows that there is judgment. For those who don't know, Jesus is claiming to be the Lord of hosts who is both the Redeemer who lives and who is also the one that searches/tries/examine the reins and hearts, or innermost thoughts. Extra notes Isaiah 54:5 Lord of hosts/redeemer Jeremiah 11:20 Lord of hosts/reins and heart Jeremiah 20:12 Lord of hosts/reins and heart
And here is the outmost biblical response to the Jehovah’s Witnesses on this topic of the Trinity just like brother Tom just showed here is more that I’m going to show. Biblical Response The doctrine of the Trinity encompasses a great deal of the subject matter of the Bible. We have already dealt with much of the relevant subject matter in our earlier articles on Christ and the Holy Spirit. We will only be giving a brief overview here.12 1. There is one God, Yahweh (Jehovah), who alone is the creator and maker of everything else. The fundamental doctrine revealed in the Old Testament is that one God, called Yahweh (Jehovah, the LORD), created all things. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Gen. 1:1). In Isaiah, Yahweh says, “I am Yahweh, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who by myself spread out the earth” (Is. 44:24). Yahweh was not simply the architect of creation, but its only creator and maker. In contrast to the popular pagan religions of the time that credited a group of deities with making the world, the biblical prophets in Israel clearly taught that one God had made everything (see also Neh. 9:6; Ps. 102:25; Isa. 37:16; 40:25-26; 42:5; Jer. 10:16; 51:19). The New Testament affirms this basic biblical doctrine that one God “created all things” (Rev. 4:11; see also Acts 4:24; 14:15; 17:24). On the basis of his being the sole creator of heaven and earth, the Bible insists that Yahweh is the only true God. “To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh is God; there is no other besides him…. Yahweh is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other” (Deut. 4:35, 39; see also 1 Kings 8:60; Isa. 45:18-22). As Jeremiah put it, “Yahweh is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King…. The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens” (Jer. 10:10, 11). When Gentiles came to faith in Christ, they accepted this belief in one true God as they “turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God” (1 Thess. 1:9). Jehovah’s Witnesses actually deny this biblical understanding of monotheism in their doctrine of Christ by claiming that he was a created angel who created everything else. 2. The Son, who became the man Jesus Christ, is himself eternal God. We have already given quite a bit of attention to the Watchtower’s doctrine about the person of Christ, as we should considering the centrality of Christ to the New Testament. The Watchtower erroneously teaches that Christ was God’s first creature and the only creature that God made directly or immediately. After he made Christ, Jehovah supposedly empowered and instructed him to make the rest of creation as Jehovah’s assistant. We examined the biblical texts that the Watchtower misuses to support this doctrine and showed that the Bible teaches no such thing. We also explained why it is erroneous to identify Jesus as Michael the archangel. We also showed in another article that the New Testament repeatedly refers to Jesus as God (John 1:1; 20:28; Acts 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1; 1 John 5:20) and as “Lord,” meaning Yahweh or Jehovah (e.g., Mark 1:3; Rom. 10:9-13; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:9-11; 1 Peter 2:3; 3:13-15). For example, Paul writes: The New Testament reveals the deity of Christ in numerous ways. We are to honor the Son just as we honor the Father (John 5:23). This means worshiping Christ along with all of the angels and redeemed peoples of the world (Heb. 1:6; Rev. 5:14), praying to Christ (John 14:14; Rom. 10:12-13; 2 Cor. 12:8-9; Rev. 22:20-21), and showing him the same “fear of the Lord” as the Old Testament says we should show toward Yahweh (Eph. 5:21; 1 Peter 3:14-16; see Prov. 1:7; Isa. 8:12-13). He is eternal or uncreated (John 17:5; Heb. 7:3), immutable or unchanging in his divine nature (Heb. 1:10-12), omnipresent (Matt. 18:20; 28:20; Eph. 4:10-11), and possesses all of the other attributes of God (Col. 2:9; Heb. 1:3). He is the King of kings and Lord of lords (Rev. 17:14; 19:16; see Deut. 10:17; Psa. 136:2-3) and the Savior of the world (John 4:42; Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:11; 1 John 4:14). He speaks with divine authority (Matt. 24:35; Luke 4:32; John 4:26), so that his word is the “word of the Lord” (Acts 8:25; 13:44, 48-49; 1 Thess. 4:15). He forgives sinners of all their sins (Matt. 9:1-8; Acts 5:31; Col. 3:13). Along with the Father, Christ the Son is the source of all spiritual blessings (Eph. 1:2-3; 1 Tim. 1:2; 2 John 2; Rev. 1:4). He sits on the very throne of God, ruling forever over all creation (Rom. 8:34; Eph. 1:19-22; Heb. 1:2-3, 8; Rev. 22:1, 3). When all of these aspects of New Testament teaching are considered together, the conclusion that the authors considered Jesus Christ to be God is overwhelming. 3. The Holy Spirit is a divine person distinct from the Father and the Son. Just as there is very little in the Old Testament that refers explicitly to the Son as a divine person distinct from the Father, there is also very little if anything in the Old Testament that reveals the Holy Spirit to be a distinct divine person. In fact, the Old Testament has relatively little to say about the Spirit as compared to the New Testament. There are less than a hundred references to the Spirit in the whole Old Testament, whereas in the much shorter New Testament there are roughly 270 references to the Spirit. Most likely, the Old Testament did not speak clearly about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as distinct persons because its focus was on teaching Israel to believe in and worship the one God who made and rules the world, a notion that cut across the grain of their polytheistic civilization. As we saw in our article on the Holy Spirit, the New Testament provides a much richer revelation of the Holy Spirit. Just before his crucifixion, Jesus himself revealed to his disciples the existence of the Holy Spirit as a distinct divine person like himself (John 14-16). His promise concerning the coming of the Holy Spirit was fulfilled in the early church as reported in the Book of Acts (e.g., Acts 1:8; 5:32; 8:29; 10:19-20; 13:1-4; 15:28; 16:6-7; 20:28; 21:11). This person called the Spirit or the Holy Spirit is not a semi-divine being, separate from or inferior to God. Rather, the Holy Spirit is himself God (e.g., Acts 5:3-4). Thus, the New Testament teaches that the Holy Spirit is a third divine person, alongside the Father and the Son, and yet that there is only one God.13 4. The Christianity of the New Testament is Trinitarian in structure. As every Jehovah’s Witness knows, the word “Trinity” is not in the Bible. However, the idea arises from everything that the Bible, especially in the New Testament, says about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We see this not just in various passages that talk about the deity of Christ or the person of the Holy Spirit, but in a pervasive pattern throughout the New Testament in which the three persons are presented alongside one another as divine. There are too many examples to list them all here; we will look at just a few of the more telling. After his resurrection, Jesus commissioned his disciples to take the gospel to all nations, telling them to baptize people “into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt. 28:19). Jehovah’s Witnesses are taught that this statement means that people are to be baptized in the name of Jehovah the Almighty, his first created angelic son, and his invisible active force. This highly implausible interpretation completely breaks down with regard to the Holy Spirit, whom the Watchtower denies is even a person. The text makes much more sense as meaning that new disciples are to be baptized in the name of the three divine persons called the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Two passages from Paul’s writings, out of the many that could be highlighted, are especially important to notice: “Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of activities, but the same God who works all things in all.” (1 Cor. 12:4-6) “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.” (2 Cor. 13:14) In both of these passages, divine blessings are said to come from God (the Father), the Lord (Jesus Christ), and the (Holy) Spirit. The order in which the three are named doesn’t even seem particularly important. In 2 Corinthians 13:14, Paul has evidently written an explicitly Christian version of the famous priestly benediction in the Old Testament: “The Lord [Yahweh] bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you; the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.” (Numbers 6:24-26) The apostle Peter in his first epistle invokes the names of all three divine persons in his salutation: “…elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.” (1 Peter 1:2) These are just a handful of the dozens of passages in which this threefold pattern of God-Christ-Spirit or Father-Son-Holy Spirit appears (for a few more good examples, see Matt. 1:18-23; Luke 1:35; Luke 3:21-22; John 14:26; Acts 2:33; Rom. 8:9-11; Gal. 4:4-6; Eph. 1:3-14; 4:4-6; Titus 3:4-6; Heb. 2:3-4; Jude 20-21; Rev. 1:4-5). These many passages confirm that the deity of Christ and the divine personhood of the Holy Spirit are not ideas mistakenly read into isolated proof texts but aspects of the New Testament’s pattern of belief.14
This is for all Jehovah’s Witnesses on here praise my brother in Christ who made this video, let me ask this question Jehovah’s Witnesses if there is any? Why is it that you guys say that Jehovah God is called Almighty? You guys have shit up and down for years that if Jehovah God is ever called mighty then he is less powerful which is absolute nonsense. Then you said before that Jesus Christ just just called mighty God but he’s not the Almighty God even though Jesus himself Jehovah’s Witnesses claimed to be the Almighty God several times. Why is it Jehovah’s Witnesses that you deny your own scriptures that verify the Jehovah God is called mighty my name, so I guess from your New World translation this makes God less powerful than he actually is right? Of course not because the term mighty and Almighty yes are two different terms, however they both apply to the same God the father and the sun. So to say that Jesus is a lesser God than God the father, is complete absurdity, and also, Jesus himself said I am the alpha and the omega the first and the last the beginning and the end, the one that is pierced in revelation chapter 1 verse seven verse eight was Jesus he was pierced. The one that’s coming on the clouds of heaven is the son of man Jesus claim to be this very Son of Man while talking to the Pharisees quoting Daniel chapter 7 verse 13 and 14, furthermore yes Revelation chapter 1:7-8 clearly says that the son of man who is Jesus is the one that is pierced is Almighty God, the one who is and who is to come is the Almighty that’s Jesus it’s that simple. So Jehovah’s Witnesses if you knew what revelation taught like you guys say that well revolution talks about Jesus being the alpha in the omega from the dead the first of the last from the dead no that’s not what it says it all, yes it says he was raised from the dead however Jesus himself verify that he is the Alpha and the Omega the first and the last the beginning and the end. Jehovah’s Witnesses if you understand the old testament then you would understand that the Messiah who is Jesus Christ is eternal as Micah chapter 5 verse two has clearly stated. I’m going to read to you John chapter 17 verse five here in just a minute, however to go back to your statement that Jesus is not equal to God the father nor claimed equality with God the father really he didn’t? OK let’s go over to John chapter 10 verse 30 and 33I and my father are one the Greek word for this is neuter meaning one in unity, so Jesus share the exact same nature and essence as God the father, is he God the father? The answer is no he was sent by God the father to do the will of God bring out the gospel message to all the World, Jesus was sent into the world to do the will of the father, however he claimed equality with God the father saying that he shares the same essence and nature with God the father, and that he existed with God the father before creation ever began in John chapter 17 verse five. So again Jehovah’s Witnesses tell me where Jesus should not be worshiped that is not God where do you get the notion that he is Michael the Archangel here’s several scriptures that verify that no he is not there’s going to be a lot to read so be prepared.
I would do if it were not for the fact that he lies about what JW's teach at Rev 1:17 and that he uses a KJ version which uses spurious scriptures to try and justify a false teaching !
The Eternality and Pre-Existence of Christ Eternality The subject of Christ’s eternality deals with the fact that He has always existed as a person from eternity past, with no beginning and no end. The Scriptures give at least three lines of evidence for this fact: direct biblical statements, the deity of Christ, and His role in creation. Direct Biblical Statements Four biblical passages clearly ascribe eternality to Christ. The first, Micah 5:2, declared that Judah’s future deliverer, who would rule in Israel on God’s behalf, would be born in the small town of Bethlehem. Because humanity is born, but deity is not, this part of the declaration revealed that the Messiah would be a human being. The next part asserted that this same person’s “goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” Concerning this statement, D. K. Innes wrote, “These words are suited to convey both the ancient lineage of Christ as a descendant of the family of David and also His eternal pre-existence” (“Some Notes on Micah” in Evangelical Quarterly, 41, no. 3 [1969], p. 170). Because eternal existence is an attribute of deity, but not of humanity, this part of the declaration ascribed deity to the Messiah. Thus, Micah 5:2 indicated that the Messiah would be a God-Man, a unique being with deity and humanity existing in the same person. His humanity would have a beginning through conception and birth, but as a divine person, He is eternal-without beginning. Two things should be noted regarding this prophecy. First, in spite of the fact that the mother and foster father of Jesus Christ lived in the city of Nazareth (Lk. 1:26-33), as the result of an imperial decree of Rome, He was born in Bethlehem (Lk. 2:1-7) in fulfillment of Micah 5:2. Second, the ancient Jews understood Micah 5:2 to be speaking of the Messiah. This is revealed by the following events: Wise men from the east came to Jerusalem and asked King Herod, “Where is he that is born King of the Jews?” Herod asked the chief priests and scribes where the Messiah should be born. They answered, “In Bethlehem of Judæa,” and quoted Micah 5:2 as their proof (Mt. 2:1-6). The second biblical passage that contains a direct statement about the eternality of Christ is Isaiah 9:6. In a context describing the future rule of the Messiah, this passage applied the name “The Everlasting Father” to Him. Franz Delitzsch stated that this name designated the Messiah “as the possessor of eternity” and as the one who would rule His people like a loving, faithful father (Isaiah, Vol. 1, Commentaries on the Old Testament, p. 253). The third direct statement passage is John 1:1-3. Referring to Christ as “the Word,” the Apostle John stated, “In the beginning was the Word…The same was in the beginning with God” (vv. 1-2). He thereby asserted that Christ already existed with God before everything that had a beginning first began. Christ existed in eternity past before any part of creation came into existence. Concerning John’s statement, Leon Morris wrote, “The verb ‘was’ is most naturally understood of the eternal existence of the Word” (The Gospel According to John in The New International Commentary on the New Testament, p. 73). The fourth biblical passage is Hebrews 7:3. The writer declared that Christ had “neither beginning of days nor end of life.” Concerning this declaration, Leon Morris stated, “The writer is, of course, speaking of the Son’s eternal nature, not of his appearance in the Incarnation” (Hebrews, Vol. 12, The Expositor’s Bible Commentary, p. 64). The Deity of Christ The deity of Christ is the second line of evidence for His eternality. Deity’s nature is to be eternal. Thus, the Apostle Paul signified that eternality is one of God’s attributes (1 Tim. 1:17). The Scriptures present the deity of Christ; therefore, He too must be eternal by nature. The biblical evidence for Christ’s deity will be examined in a later article. Christ’s Role in Creation The Apostle John asserted the following truth concerning Christ: “All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made” (Jn. 1:3). Christ played a significant role in the creation of everything that has ever been created. That work required His existence in eternity past before creation began. If Christ had not existed before the beginning of creation, He could not have been involved in the creation of everything that has ever been created. The Apostle Paul declared the same truth about Christ when he wrote, “For by him were all things created…all things were created by him, and for him; And he is before all things” (Col. 1:16-17).
Here is more Jehovah’s Witnesses on the eternal Aliti of Christ that he claimed to have that he was eternal and he said he was eternal and existed before Abraham Isaac and Jacob he even said, in Mark chapter 14 verse 62, that he is the God of Abraham Isaac Jacob King David Daniel Moses and Elijah. The Issue of the First-Born of All Creation In Colossians 1:15 the Apostle Paul referred to Christ as “the first-born of all creation.” Some individuals and groups insist that this designation indicates that Christ was the first part of creation that God brought into existence. They claim that Paul was teaching that Christ is a created being, that He had a beginning in time and therefore is not eternal. Does the expression “the first-born of all creation” mean that Christ was the first thing created? No, it does not. Paul was not saying that Christ is a created being. Several things prompt this conclusion. First, Paul wrote Colossians to refute a heresy (Gnostic Judaism) that taught that Christ was part of creation. Second, the idea that Christ was created is contrary to the context of Paul’s reference to Christ as “the first-born of all creation.” The context teaches that Christ created everything that has been created (vv. 16-17). Thus, F. F. Bruce wrote, “The context makes it clear that this title is not given to Him as though He Himself were the first of all created beings; it is emphasized immediately that, far from being part of creation, He is the One by whom the whole creation came into being” (Commentary on the Epistle to the Colossians in The New International Commentary on the New Testament, p. 194). Third, there was a Greek word (protoktistos) that meant “first-created.” Paul did not use it here, and it is never used of Christ in the Bible. When Paul referred to Christ as “the first-born of all creation,” he was teaching that Christ existed before and is sovereign over all of creation. Fourth, the word that Paul did use (prototokos) had two connotations: priority and sovereignty. Priority had two possible sub-connotations: the first part of something or existence before something. The context of the word determines which sub-connotation is intended. The Colossians 1 context demands the sub-connotation of existence before something (vv. 16-17). Thus, when Paul referred to Christ as “the first-born of all creation,” he was teaching that Christ existed before and is sovereign over all of creation. F. F. Bruce stated, “What the title does mean is that Christ, existing as He did before all creation, exercises the privilege of primogeniture as Lord of all creation, the divinely appointed ‘heir of all things’ (Heb. 1:2). He was there when creation began, and it was for Him as well as through Him that the whole work was done” (Ibid.). Pre-Existence Pre-existence and eternality are not necessarily the same. This is evident because a human being can exist before a certain event, but that does not mean he is eternal by nature. Thus, when reference is made to the pre-existence of Christ, the emphasis is not necessarily upon His eternality. Instead, it is upon the fact that He existed before His incarnation in human flesh. He existed before He was born of the virgin Mary. There are several evidences for the pre-existence of Christ. The Eternality of Christ Several lines of evidence have been examined for the fact that Christ is an eternal being, without beginning or end. The fact that He is eternal by nature prompts the conclusion that He existed before His incarnation. Christ’s Claim of Pre-Existence On one occasion when Christ was confronted by enemies, He said, “Your father, Abraham, rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad” (Jn. 8:56). His enemies challenged Him by saying, “Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?” (v. 57). Jesus responded with an astonishing claim: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am” (v. 58). The word translated “was” in this statement literally means became or came to be and refers to Abraham’s birth (William F. Arndt and F. Wilbur Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, p. 157). Thus, through that statement Christ was claiming that He existed before Abraham was born. In light of that fact, the additional fact that Abraham lived approximately 2,000 years before Christ’s incarnation forces the conclusion that Christ existed before His own human birth. Pre-Incarnate Appearances of Christ The Old Testament Scriptures refer to a being who, on several occasions, either appeared or spoke to human beings. Various titles were applied to this being, such as “the angel of the Lord,” “the angel of God,” or “the captain of the host of the Lord.” The Old Testament references reveal that this being was divine, not an angel. The word translated “angel” in the Bible literally means messenger and sometimes refers to beings other than angels. When, at a specific point in time, He was incarnated in human flesh, He added a complete human nature to His pre-existent, eternal, divine nature. An example of an appearance by this being is recorded in Exodus 3-4. The person who appeared to Moses in the burning bush is called “the angel of the Lord” (3:2); however, He is identified as “the Lord” and “God” (3:4) and “I am” (3:14). He claimed to be “the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob” (3:6). Moses hid his face from this being, “for he was afraid to look upon God” (3:6). These facts signify that a divine being appeared to Moses. Because the Scriptures clearly teach that no human being has ever seen God the Father (Jn. 1:18; 6:46), it must be concluded that this divine being was not the Father. The Bible also indicates that Christ is the being who reveals God to the world (Jn. 1:18; 14:8-9; Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3). It seems evident, then, that Christ was the being who made these appearances to Moses and others in Old Testament times, and these appearances testify to His pre-existence before His incarnation in human flesh. Christ’s existence did not begin when He was conceived in Mary’s womb and born into the world several months later. As an eternal divine being, He had always existed without beginning and end throughout eternity past and Old Testament history. When, at a specific point in time, He was incarnated in human flesh, He added a complete human nature to His pre-existent, eternal, divine nature. The Word, who existed with God the Father before the beginning of creation, became flesh and dwelt among people on the earth for more than thirty years (Jn. 1:1-3, 14).
Conclusion The doctrine of the Trinity is not a pagan doctrine in any sense. No pagan religion ever taught any doctrine that even resembles the doctrine of the Trinity except in the most superficial manner. The church fathers who developed the formal, systematic doctrine of the Trinity from the second to the fourth centuries were Christians, in some instances eventual martyrs for their faith, who were zealously seeking to uphold the teachings of Christ and the apostles in the New Testament. In formulating the doctrine of the Trinity, the early church established a view of God that was radically opposed to Greek philosophical notions about the divine. In doing so, they naturally used language and categories of their Hellenistic culture to express what the New Testament teaches. They could not do otherwise, just as we cannot avoid speaking in modern Western cultural terms (such as “relationships” or “individuals”) when explaining what we understand the Bible to teach on this subject. Far from being a pagan doctrine, the Trinity is the distinctively Christian conception of God as he has revealed himself in the New Testament in the persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
One more thing I’m gonna show to everybody Tom you are included, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have openly said that the trinity is pagan pagan origin so on and so forth here is what the doctrine of the trinity is. Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that the Trinity is an apostate doctrine borrowed or adapted from pagan religious beliefs in triads of gods. However, the doctrine of the Trinity owed nothing to pagan triads of deities and was formulated by Christians on the basis of the teachings of Scripture What the Watchtower Teaches According to the Watchtower Society, “The Trinity doctrine, their concept of God himself, is borrowed from pagan sources and was developed in its present form centuries after Bible writing was completed.”1 Jehovah’s Witnesses are taught that belief in the Trinity arose as part of the worldwide apostasy fomented by Satan: But Satan sowed false disciples, like weeds, in among these true followers of Jesus. Thus, as Jesus himself foretold, during the centuries after his death, false disciples appeared. These promoted apostate teachings, such as the Trinity, the idea that there are three persons in one God.2 The Watchtower’s polemics against the doctrine of the Trinity have repeatedly claimed that it originated from paganism. This claim is supported by two very different arguments. Most commonly, Jehovah’s Witnesses have pointed to apparent examples of divine triads, or groups of three gods, in various ancient religions as demonstrating the pagan nature of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. So, for example, a 2013 article in the Watchtower magazine compared the doctrine of the Trinity to ancient Babylonian religion: The religious triad, or trinity, was a prominent feature of worship in Babylon. One Babylonian triad was composed of Sin (a moon-god), Shamash (a sun-god), and Ishtar (a goddess of fertility and war).3 Over the years, the Watchtower Society has quoted from a wide array of publications that agree, or that appear to agree, that Trinitarian theology originated from paganism. Second, the Watchtower Society has blamed the influence of pagan Greek philosophy for the development of the doctrine of the Trinity. In one article, for example, the Society criticizes the term homoousios (“of one substance”) in the Nicene Creed as an “unbiblical Greek philosophical term.”4 Here again, the Watchtower frequently quotes from a variety of publications to marshal apparent scholarly support for their criticisms of the doctrine of the Trinity. We will examine an example later in this article. Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that their doctrine is the clear and obvious teaching of the Bible. They reject the idea that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three co-eternal, fully divine persons. The view they espouse in place of the doctrine of the Trinity is summed up briefly in the following comment on Matthew 28:19, which Christians historically have understood to refer to the Trinity: To be baptized as a genuine Christian and one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, a person must acknowledge the supremacy of the Father, Jehovah, as well as the position and authority of God’s Son, Jesus. The baptism candidate must also believe that the holy spirit is God’s active force, not part of a Trinity. (Gen. 1:2) An individual who continues to believe in the Trinity cannot be baptized in symbol of a valid dedication to Jehovah God.5 The Watchtower doctrine summarized above consists of the following beliefs: Jehovah alone is the Father, the Almighty God. He alone has always existed without beginning. Christians should pray to Jehovah the Father only, never to Christ. Jesus Christ, before his human life on earth, existed as a created angelic being, the first and only direct creation by Jehovah God. This “firstborn son” of Jehovah was Michael the archangel.6 After Jehovah made Michael, he authorized him to make the rest of the world and the creatures in it by Jehovah’s power and design. Michael’s life force was transferred into the human organism of Mary’s son Jesus. After Jesus died, he was re-created by Jehovah as a spirit or great angel again. Jesus Christ was and is “a god,” a divine being, but not God. There is no person called the Holy Spirit. Rather, Jehovah God has an invisible, active force that the Bible calls spirit or holy spirit. Jehovah uses this active force to exert his power and influence throughout the world. The Watchtower’s Pseudo-Scholarship on the Origins of the Doctrine of the Trinity The Watchtower’s frequent quotations present the veneer of thorough historical scholarship regarding the background and origins of the doctrine of the Trinity. However, their handling of the ancient sources as well as modern scholarly reference works is so poor and so distorted that we may fairly describe it as pseudo-scholarship. Moreover, abuse of scholarship has been a serious problem in Watchtower literature for many decades.7 The Watchtower’s penchant for comparing the doctrine of the Trinity to various triads of deities in other religions is an excellent example of its shallow and misleading use of scholarship. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the polytheistic religions of Babylon or other pagan nations had any influence on the development of Trinitarianism. Consider, for example, the alleged Babylonian “trinity” of Sin, Shamash, and Ishtar. These were not one God in any sense, but were viewed as three different gods. Moreover, these gods were just three among many gods in Babylonian thought. In another publication, the Watchtower actually gave this point away when discussing the origin of astrology, offering the following quotation from the Encyclopaedia Britannica: The movements of the sun, moon and five planets were regarded as representing the activity of the five gods in question, together with the moon-god Sin and the sun-god Shamash, in preparing the occurrences on earth.8 Historically, Babylonian polytheism simply has nothing to do with the theology of the church fathers in the second, third, and fourth centuries AD. The Babylonians lived in a different part of the world two thousand years before the church fathers. Theologically, the only possible point of comparison between the Babylonian triad of Shamash, Sin, and Ishtar (the sun, moon, and earth deities) and the Christian doctrine of the Trinity (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is the number three, as B. B. Warfield pointed out a century ago: Triads of divinities, no doubt, occur in nearly all polytheistic religions, formed under very various influences…. It should be needless to say that none of these triads has the slightest resemblance to the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The Christian doctrine of the Trinity embodies much more than the notion of “threeness,” and beyond their “threeness” these triads have nothing in common with it.9 The Watchtower’s polemic against the doctrine of the Trinity has at least some relationship to fact with regard to the claim that the doctrine was influenced by Greek philosophy. The factual element here is that the church fathers lived in a thoroughly Hellenistic (culturally Greek) society in which Greek philosophical terms and categories were part of the way educated people thought and spoke. Everyone who participated in discussions about the nature of God did so in that context, even those whose primary language was Latin. Both Trinitarians and non-Trinitarians in the third and fourth centuries employed Greek terms. Here again, however, the Watchtower has frequently misrepresented the work of scholars in order to make it seem as though the doctrine of the Trinity substituted Greek philosophical beliefs for the biblical teachings. An interesting example is the following statement in a 2002 article: One reference work states: “Trinitarian theology required the aid of Hellenistic concepts and categories for its development and expression.”10 Here the Watchtower article does not even bother to inform the reader as to the source of this statement. It comes from a book on the history of heresy by a Christian scholar named Harold O. J. Brown. As is very often the case, the quotation cuts off the source in mid-sentence. Here is what Brown actually wrote: It is evident that Trinitarian theology required the aid of Hellenistic concepts and categories for its development and expression, but they were the tools by means of which the implications of the New Testament were realized; they were not foreign concepts imposed upon an essentially simple message.11
Yes....the Trinity is indeed a pagan teaching adopted straight out the pages of Egyptian pagan worship.......Notice that Gods people in the past, that it the Jews NEVER subscribed to such a teaching !
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Jesus is God in human form
Jesus a God he is not the one God
He is God's only begotten son. John 3:16 - Read your Bible genius
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Love is the key to victory
There is no salvation from sin without the deity of Jesus Christ. We are told to test the spirits whether they are of god. 1 John 4:1-6
Psalms 110:1--Jehovah declared to my Lord: "Sit down at my right until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.--
Matthew 16:13-17(King James)
"When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, BUT MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN."
John 20:17(King James)
"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to MY FATHER: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER, and YOUR FATHER; and to MY GOD, and YOUR GOD."
John 20:30,31(King James)
"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
He shall be called Immanuel. What does that mean?
He shall be called Eternal Father, Mighty God. Who is that referencing?
We are idiotic to think Elohim fits in our understanding
Do you believe Jesus Christ is the way to the Father?
Wow, that's it!!!!
Thank you sir
Thank you
Isaiah 9:6 prophecy, John 14: 7-11, Mark 12:36-37 fulfilled.
Jesus is Lord! Amen.
Maybe in his universe but not we r at. Never put yourself before RA YWVH and Lord God
If you read the context and surrounding verses you will see the following:
Revelation 1
1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which GOD GAVE HIM to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
2 who testifies to everything he saw-that is, the word of God AND the testimony of Jesus Christ.
(So God Gave the Revelation to Jesus and an angel was sent to relay it to John - also it differentiates the word of God and the testimony of Jesus)
revelation 1:11 is a forgery and addition . the verse does not exist in the other versions
Ask my question who's in charged In heaven if jehovah became a human like us plus why would he come down to earth the bible said God send Jesus which means jehovahs son
John 10:30-33
30I and the Father are one.
31The Jews then took up stones to stone him. 32Jesus answered them: Many good works I have shewed you from my Father; for which of these works do you stone me? 33The Jews answered him: For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, maketh thyself God.
-In verse 30 Jesus says the he and the Father are one.
-In verse 31 right after Jesus had said that he and the Father are one, the Jews then took up stones to stone him.
-In verse 32 Jesus ask them for what work he was being stoned by them.
-In verse 33 is the answer. There answer is that because he committed blasphemy. The Jews specifically state that the blasphemy was quote “For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that though, being a man, make yourself God.”
-In short Jesus said that he and the Father are one. Then immediately the Jews took up stones. The Jews wanted to stone him because they claimed that Jesus made himself God.
Also in Luke 1:41-43 Elizabeth says the following:
41And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. Luke 43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
-in verse 41 you can see that Elizabeth was quote “ filled with the Holy Ghost”. So whatever she is about to say in verse 42 and 43 MUST BE TRUE because she was “filled with the Holy Ghost”
- in verse 42 she cries out with a loud voice and says that Mary is blessed among woman and blessed is the fruit of they womb
-In VERSE 43 Elizabeth while being “filled with the Holy Ghost” clearly calls Mary the mother of my Lord. Mary only had one child and his name is Jesus. And Elizabeth called Mary mother of my Lord. Mary is mother of Jesus and Elizabeth calls Mary mother of my Lord. And if you want to know who the Lord is more specifically John 20:28 answers it.
John 20:28Thomas answered, and said to him: My Lord, and my God.
-in verse 28 Thomas in this verse calls Jesus quote “ My Lord, and my God.” Thomas specifically calls Jesus God.
Also in Colossians 2:9 it says the following:
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally;
For anyone who has a problem with 3 being one. 1 John 5:7 says the following:
1 John 5:7And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.
-in verse 7 The bible clearly shows that 3 are 1. The Father is God, The Word is Jesus, and together with the Holy Ghost they make 3 BUT THESE 3 are one.
In conclusion Jesus is God.
Not everyone gonna believe you
There are many Christian groups that believe the claim of the Evangelists : Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, but NOT that Jesus is God Almighty.
If you claim that Jesus is God Almighy or Jehovah/Yahweh then you have a problem :
Who is the God that Jesus/Jehovah prayed to and worshipped, the one that he called My God. (John 20 :17; Rev 3 :12).
Clearly Tom does not understand that the sharing of titles does not equate with the sharing of identity. Many others are called God in the Bible such as Moses; Judges; Hebrew Kings; etc but surely even Tom does not believe that this actually makes them God Almighty. Indeed, in John 10:34-36 Jesus himself makes the point that if Judges can be called gods, why is it supposedly blasphemy for Jesus to call himself God's son.
It is somewhat ironic that Tom Rev chapte 1 when from the very first verse, Jesus is depicted as one other than God; the one to whom God gives the vision. The differentiation between Jesus and God continues in verses 2, 4&5, 6 and continues throughout the entire book of Revelation.
Perhaps Tom fails to understand that there are many Christians who believe in the deity of Christ but who understand that doctrines such as the Holy Trinity are post-Apostolic and although developed and accepted by later generations of Christians, were not explicitly taught in the NT. It is therefore anachronistic to read such into the text of the NT.
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Sorry, but the whitnesses are Right in this case. Jesus is not The God. He never declared himself to be the almighty. In John Jesus is Theos, not Ho Theos (wich means THE God)
Hé is God because only God you can worship. There are many scriptures that show he is worship. Look up this.Matt. 2:2,8,11;4:9;8:2;9:18;14:33;15:25;18:26;20:20;28:9,17 Mark 5:6;15:19 Luke 4:7;24:52 John 4:20 Heb.1:6 acts 7:59,60 that is only few verses but the NWT change worship to obeisance to fit their agenda but read the KJV
The argument here is that there is one almighty God what the Bible says in Isaiah 43 is there were no Gods formed after me and no Gods formed before me I am the Lord there is no other. God himself said he did not form another God after himself so you cannot call Jesus a mighty God because Jehovah said he did not create Jesus it is very simple a five-year-old could understand. The problem is the Watchtower wants him to be a little G God because it is obvious he forgive sins like God the Pharisees tried to kill him in book of John for making himself God by healing people on the Sabbath the saying that he himself was Lord of the Sabbath Jehovah's Witnesses would say that the father just gave him this Authority and that is true because Jesus in Philippians 2 humbled himself in the form of man but it also says in Philippians 2 he was in God's form Hebrews one also says that he is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature Jesus Is God he is your savior he died for your sins he was 100% God and 100% man
Titus 2:13 also says that he is God also Hebrews 1 and Psalms 102 are exactly the same there are many scriptures that Yahweh is speaking and then in the New Testament the father even attributes them to Jesus in Hebrews 1 the New World Translation is a gross translation many scholars believe it is the worst Bible ever created even though they believe it is the true Bible but not one of them or Bible scholars when it was translated but Hebrews one the father says to the son your throne oh God is forever and ever the father calls Jesus God he even has the Angels worship Him in Hebrews 1 It also says that he is superior to Angels and that to none of the angels has the father ever called a son
Really, you want to go with that "no definite article" argument? You really need to listen to the video. Jesus declared HIMSELF to be "The Almighty" in Revelation 1:8. He identifies Himself as the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. That is a title that ONLY God can have. Jesus is speaking in Revelation, not the Father.
If you are still sticking to the Watchtower's indefinite article argument? Then you have no clue as to Greek grammar. Please, look up John 1:6. Is there an indefinite article in the Greek? There is not. So I guess your translation must say,"...there came a man sent from A god"? NO, it doesn't, YOUR translation broke it's own rule. Why? Because YOUR Watchtower couldn't translate itself out of a barn.
Just do any research outside of the Watchtower, and you'll find you've been lied to, over and over again.
But let's just say your Watchtower is right. Then is Jesus a True god or a false god? Remember, Isaiah didn't use any qualifying words from Yahweh when God said THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BESIDES HIM. Isaiah 43:10. And within the VERY NEXT verse, "Jehovah' says "And besides Me, there is NO Savior". (emphasis mine). Interesting, isn't it? So Jesus isn't THE Savior then?
Only the Jehovah witness Bible translates John one first one as a God. Show me one other translation other than the Jehovah witness that translates it that way?
Watch Tower Society should say it all????? Jesus Christ society is who we should be.
Jesus served his God - the Gid of Abraham Isaac and Jacob - the God with the name Jehovah
Amen
Thank you for that, however I must point out to you Rev 1:11 in your KJ Bible has some spurious text there as Vs 11 actually says in 99% of all the Bible "which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”" Did YOU NOTICE that Vs 11 does NOT begin with the words "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last " So straight away that undermines YOUR stance !
The oldest complete manuscripts that we have to date such as the Codex Sinaitiucus does NOT have these spurious words which your KJ bible has, so you are on your own there as 99% of all other translations do not, which make the first part of your argument "null & void" Here, check some of them out for yourself !
New International Version
which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”
New Living Translation
It said, “Write in a book everything you see, and send it to the seven churches in the cities of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”
English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”
New World Translation
saying: “What you see, write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations: in Ephʹe·sus, in Smyrʹna, in Perʹga·mum,y in Thy·a·tiʹra, in Sarʹdis, in Philadelphia,b and in La·o·di·ceʹ
New American Standard Bible
saying, “Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”
NASB 1995
saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”
American Standard Version
saying, What thou seest, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamum, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Now that we have cleared that up, on to Vs 17-18 Your are VERY MISTAKEN , you have NOT represent Jehovah's Witnesses correctly and have TWISTED what we teach, as Vs 17-18 is talking about Jesus and NOT his father Jehovah , we do NOT say that Vs 17 is Jehovah speaking, it is YOU who say that......
Vs 17 in context is about Jesus being the “First and Last”, and was relative to just the matter of Christ Jesus’ death and resurrection, as verse 18 shows. Christ was the first one raised in the first resurrection, and the last one that will be raised directly by Jehovah God. Others who follow in that resurrection will be raised by God through Christ..
So to recap : First of all you use a spurious scripture at Vs 11, And secondly you proceed to twist what JW's teach at Vs17 and misrepresent us in that you tell your audience that we say Vs 17 is about God Jehovah when we DO NOT say that . ...................I don't think that you are going to convince any one of Jehovah's Witnesses of your dogma based on that !
U are right and wrong 1st off all God is a family He is not a Trinity it's God the father Nd God the son the Holy spirit is the power of God the, the word Trinity is no way in the Holy bible HiLo him said let us make man in our image Nd in our likeness Hilo is a family of God a son of a dog will be a dog a son of a cat will be a cat so if God the father says we are he's children so what are we we are going to be God we are going to be in the family of God when the Lord Jesus Christ comes
Total garbage.
God is not a family. He is Triune (Matthew 28:19).
See John 10,34 Nd Psalm 82:6 Jesus says u are God's
It’s says if someone preaches that Jesus isn’t equal with God then they are the anti christ
Yet another false video. No JW in there right mind would conclude on the basis of Rev 1: 17,18 this is Jehovah speaking
They are both the Alpha and the Omega as they are one but not the same. What you all fail to understand the conversation here is between John, Jehovah, the Angel and Jesus. When we read Revelation 22:12
It’s clear to see that Jesus is also the Alpha and the Omega spoken of in
Rev 22:12
“Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to repay each one according to his work.13 I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. 14 Happy are those who wash their robes, so that they may have authority to go to the trees of life and that they may gain entrance into the city through its gates. 15 Outside are the dogs* and those who practice spiritism and those who are sexually immoral* and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices lying.’
16 “‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of Davidu and the bright morning star.’”
17 And the spirit and the bridew keep on saying, “Come!” and let anyone hearing say, “Come!” and let anyone thirsting come;x let anyone who wishes take life’s water free.y
18 “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;a 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of lifeb and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll.
20 “The one who bears witness of these things says, ‘Yes, I am coming quickly.’”
“Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.”
21 May the undeserved kindness of the Lord Jesus be with the holy ones.
Understandeth, thou, what thou readest?
"Your interpretation of Revelation misrepresents biblical distinctions and the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses. People wonder why Jehovah's Witnesses remain loyal to Watchtower; you could have possibly touched on a subject that could have helped a JW come to their senses, like their ridiculous teachings about 1914, but no, you decided to talk about dogmas unrelated to salvation, and things you clearly don't have business talking about.
Revelation 1:8 describes Jehovah as 'The Alpha and the Omega,' signifying 'the Beginning and the End,' emphasizing His eternal nature and sovereignty over creation.
Revelation 1:17-18 refers to Jesus as 'the First and the Last,' emphasizing his authority and preeminence. This phrase also alludes to Jesus being the firstborn from the dead, drawing from other scriptures where Jesus is called the last Adam. However, it doesn't equate him with Jehovah, who has never died.
Jehovah is never described as having died. Jesus is never called the Alpha and Omega.
Revelation 1:6 refers to 'the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,' distinguishing Jehovah from Jesus. Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus acknowledges Jehovah as his God, emphasizing Jesus as the Son, contrary to the Trinity, not found in the scriptures.
You're misrepresenting scripture and Jehovah's Witness beliefs. It's not a good look, quite embarrassing."
Jesus is the first created being but he definitely not the angel. Jesus is God but he was directly from the Father… Jesus is Fully God because the Father had allowed this transaction.
Jesus could take on the identity of His Father but he was just also first born of all creation.
Jesus could also be considered the beginning and the end and not lie because he also can speak on his fathers behalf and could also be called Jehovah because he and the Father share same identity except being the same literal person.
I see where Jehova’s witness has issue with Trinity and I see trinitarians flaw denying Jesus being created.
So then if Jesus is the first created being, he cannot be God, unless God was created !!
Here is a scripture to keep in mind:
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, Eph 1:3
So the question is: "WHO is the God and father of Jesus Christ ?
@@STROND He was going all smooth till he said Jesus was created, let me correct you it's written before Jesus came has a human, he existed with the father as word that means Jesus is the flesh form voice of God representing Himself 😄
@@STROND the one God is the father 1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
O o o. You haven't heard properly.
There are many gods the bible says.
Jesus also is a God, but is not All mighty God.
Explain my message on revelation. Is Jehovah the Alpha the Omega the first the last. And in revelation one verse 17, the first and the last was dead. So when did Jehovah die?
@@TomBrownMinistry I don't know which vers are you talking about. It seems that you are fighting for something what doesn't exist.
@@halinakozlowska2672 Actually you’re completely wrong on that Jesus actually calls himself Almighty in revelation chapter 1 verse seven verse eight, and the Almighty God Jesus claims to be Jehovah God several times multitudes of times. So just say that Jesus is Michael the Archangel is actually really stupid because the Bible says that Jesus has authority to judge all sin Michael the Archangel does not. The Bible also says that all the angels in heaven worship Christ so therefore you’re implying that Michael the archangel receives worship if he’s Christ but you said it was wrong to worship Christ and that would be idolatry no actually Christ Jesus received worship from angels in mankind and still does so to say that Jesus Christ is not Almighty God even though he claims to be Almighty God it’s actually a really stupid strawman argument I’ll show you the verses where he claims to be and why he is the Almighty God. And Jesus is worshiped like I said by angels in mankind so if Jesus is Michael the Archangel then you’re going against Revelation chapter 19 verse 10, and the Bible says that Jesus Christ is the creator of all things.
This is a question I quite often get asked in relation to conversations with Jehovah’s Witnesses and the New World Translation (NWT). The NWT translates the end of John 1.1 as ‘the Word as a god’ in order to avoid the identification of Jesus with the God of the Old Testament, and avoid seeing Jesus as God incarnate, part of the Trinity, as does orthodox Christian belief.
As we will see, this is an incorrect translation of the Greek text. It is quite straightforward, though sounds a little technical to explain. Here goes.
The Greek of John 1.1 is as follows, transliterated into English letters:
En arche en ho logos, kai ho logos pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos.
If you don’t read Greek, you need to know a couple of things. The first is that the word ho is called the ‘definite article’ which in English would be translated ‘the.’ The second is that Greek does not have an ‘indefinite article’ (English ‘a’), but instead simply omits the article. The term for this is ‘anarthrous’. The third is that, whereas in English we show what words are doing in a sentence by word order, in Greek this is shown by what case a word is in. Each word can be in one of four (or five) cases-the subject of a verb (often the thing doing an action) is always in the nominative case.
You can see near the end of John 1.1 that we have theos without an article, and logos throughout with the article. The reason is that, in any phrase where the main verb is ‘to be’, there will not be a subject and an object (as in ‘I pat my dog’ where ‘I’ am the subject and ‘my dog’ is the object of the action), but only subjects in ‘apposition’, that is, agreeing with one another. So when I say ‘My pet is a dog’ both ‘pet’ and ‘dog’ are subjects, and in Greek would be in the nominative case.
The question is: how can I tell the difference in Greek between the sentences ‘My pet is a dog’ and ‘My dog is a pet’ which have quite different senses. (The first is telling you which animal I have as a pet, the second is telling what kind of relationship my dog has to me.) In English, we do it by word order, but you cannot do this in Greek since, as an inflected language (ie one with different cases), it is flexible in word order. And you cannot do it by the usual trick of different cases, since both are in the nominative as subjects of the verb ‘to be’.
So Greek does it by making the word in apposition (the ‘dog’ in the first example) anarthrous, that is, without the definite article. In other words, theos en ho logos means ‘the word was God’, which tells us something about the nature of the word, whereas ho theos en logos would mean ‘God was the word’ which is telling us something about the nature of God.
In neither case does being anarthrous correspond to the English sense ‘a’, the indefinite article. So to translate this as ‘The Word was a god’ misunderstands the significance of omitting the article.
As this sounds rather technical, I always find it more fruitful to read with Jehovah’s Witness Romans 10.13, ‘Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ The Greek here uses the word kurios; in the Greek Old Testament that Paul is citing here, this refers to Yahweh, the god of Israel. But Paul here clearly means ‘The Lord Jesus.’ The NWT appears to be embarrassed by this, and substitutes the word ‘Jehovah’. But it is very clear that in doing so the NWT is changing the text of Scripture.
@@halinakozlowska2672 Biblical Response
The doctrine of the Trinity encompasses a great deal of the subject matter of the Bible. We have already dealt with much of the relevant subject matter in our earlier articles on Christ and the Holy Spirit. We will only be giving a brief overview here.12
1. There is one God, Yahweh (Jehovah), who alone is the creator and maker of everything else.
The fundamental doctrine revealed in the Old Testament is that one God, called Yahweh (Jehovah, the LORD), created all things. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Gen. 1:1). In Isaiah, Yahweh says, “I am Yahweh, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who by myself spread out the earth” (Is. 44:24). Yahweh was not simply the architect of creation, but its only creator and maker. In contrast to the popular pagan religions of the time that credited a group of deities with making the world, the biblical prophets in Israel clearly taught that one God had made everything (see also Neh. 9:6; Ps. 102:25; Isa. 37:16; 40:25-26; 42:5; Jer. 10:16; 51:19). The New Testament affirms this basic biblical doctrine that one God “created all things” (Rev. 4:11; see also Acts 4:24; 14:15; 17:24).
On the basis of his being the sole creator of heaven and earth, the Bible insists that Yahweh is the only true God. “To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh is God; there is no other besides him…. Yahweh is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other” (Deut. 4:35, 39; see also 1 Kings 8:60; Isa. 45:18-22). As Jeremiah put it, “Yahweh is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King…. The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens” (Jer. 10:10, 11). When Gentiles came to faith in Christ, they accepted this belief in one true God as they “turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God” (1 Thess. 1:9).
Jehovah’s Witnesses actually deny this biblical understanding of monotheism in their doctrine of Christ by claiming that he was a created angel who created everything else.
2. The Son, who became the man Jesus Christ, is himself eternal God.
We have already given quite a bit of attention to the Watchtower’s doctrine about the person of Christ, as we should considering the centrality of Christ to the New Testament. The Watchtower erroneously teaches that Christ was God’s first creature and the only creature that God made directly or immediately. After he made Christ, Jehovah supposedly empowered and instructed him to make the rest of creation as Jehovah’s assistant. We examined the biblical texts that the Watchtower misuses to support this doctrine and showed that the Bible teaches no such thing. We also explained why it is erroneous to identify Jesus as Michael the archangel.
We also showed in another article that the New Testament repeatedly refers to Jesus as God (John 1:1; 20:28; Acts 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1; 1 John 5:20) and as “Lord,” meaning Yahweh or Jehovah (e.g., Mark 1:3; Rom. 10:9-13; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:9-11; 1 Peter 2:3; 3:13-15). For example, Paul writes:
The New Testament reveals the deity of Christ in numerous ways. We are to honor the Son just as we honor the Father (John 5:23). This means worshiping Christ along with all of the angels and redeemed peoples of the world (Heb. 1:6; Rev. 5:14), praying to Christ (John 14:14; Rom. 10:12-13; 2 Cor. 12:8-9; Rev. 22:20-21), and showing him the same “fear of the Lord” as the Old Testament says we should show toward Yahweh (Eph. 5:21; 1 Peter 3:14-16; see Prov. 1:7; Isa. 8:12-13). He is eternal or uncreated (John 17:5; Heb. 7:3), immutable or unchanging in his divine nature (Heb. 1:10-12), omnipresent (Matt. 18:20; 28:20; Eph. 4:10-11), and possesses all of the other attributes of God (Col. 2:9; Heb. 1:3). He is the King of kings and Lord of lords (Rev. 17:14; 19:16; see Deut. 10:17; Psa. 136:2-3) and the Savior of the world (John 4:42; Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:11; 1 John 4:14). He speaks with divine authority (Matt. 24:35; Luke 4:32; John 4:26), so that his word is the “word of the Lord” (Acts 8:25; 13:44, 48-49; 1 Thess. 4:15). He forgives sinners of all their sins (Matt. 9:1-8; Acts 5:31; Col. 3:13). Along with the Father, Christ the Son is the source of all spiritual blessings (Eph. 1:2-3; 1 Tim. 1:2; 2 John 2; Rev. 1:4). He sits on the very throne of God, ruling forever over all creation (Rom. 8:34; Eph. 1:19-22; Heb. 1:2-3, 8; Rev. 22:1, 3). When all of these aspects of New Testament teaching are considered together, the conclusion that the authors considered Jesus Christ to be God is overwhelming.
3. The Holy Spirit is a divine person distinct from the Father and the Son.
Just as there is very little in the Old Testament that refers explicitly to the Son as a divine person distinct from the Father, there is also very little if anything in the Old Testament that reveals the Holy Spirit to be a distinct divine person. In fact, the Old Testament has relatively little to say about the Spirit as compared to the New Testament. There are less than a hundred references to the Spirit in the whole Old Testament, whereas in the much shorter New Testament there are roughly 270 references to the Spirit. Most likely, the Old Testament did not speak clearly about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as distinct persons because its focus was on teaching Israel to believe in and worship the one God who made and rules the world, a notion that cut across the grain of their polytheistic civilization.
As we saw in our article on the Holy Spirit, the New Testament provides a much richer revelation of the Holy Spirit. Just before his crucifixion, Jesus himself revealed to his disciples the existence of the Holy Spirit as a distinct divine person like himself (John 14-16). His promise concerning the coming of the Holy Spirit was fulfilled in the early church as reported in the Book of Acts (e.g., Acts 1:8; 5:32; 8:29; 10:19-20; 13:1-4; 15:28; 16:6-7; 20:28; 21:11).
This person called the Spirit or the Holy Spirit is not a semi-divine being, separate from or inferior to God. Rather, the Holy Spirit is himself God (e.g., Acts 5:3-4). Thus, the New Testament teaches that the Holy Spirit is a third divine person, alongside the Father and the Son, and yet that there is only one God.13
@@halinakozlowska2672 Jesus "did not cease to be God when He became man," and "that Christ and the Father are one," which are true statements about the deity of God. It is also true that the Father is the Lord God Almighty, but it is a false statement to say, "that Jesus is not the Lord God Almighty."
Why would God give Ellen a false statement about himself? The truth is that God did not reveal this, as God does not lie. The answer simply is this, Ellen G. White is a false prophet.
What does Almighty mean, and does the definition apply to Christ?
From the Greek Almighty means,
3841. pantokrator, pan-tok-rat'-ore; from G3956 and G2904; the all-ruling, i.e. God (as absolute and universal sovereign): -- Almighty, Omnipotent. Strong's Dictionary
We then can say yes, this definition describes Christ as all-ruling, Almighty and Omnipotent.
Does the Bible tell us that Christ to be called the Mighty God? Yes.
(Isaiah 9:6 NIV) "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah tells us that Jesus is to be called the Mighty God. God in Hebrew means, 410. 'el, ale; short. from H352; strength; as adj. mighty; espec. the Almighty deity, power, strong. Comp. names in "-el." Strong's Dictionary
This definition describes Jesus. We find the definition Almighty, meaning Omnipotent, and God, as meaning Almighty deity. On this evidence alone Jesus can be called Almighty God.
Does Jesus call himself the Lord God Almighty? Yes
Revelation 1:7 (NIV) "Look, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen."
(Revelation 1:8 NIV) ""I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
Who is coming in the clouds? Verse 7, the one who was pierced. Jesus.
What is His name? Verse 8, the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God, the Almighty.
(Revelation 22:12 NIV) "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done."
(Revelation 22:13 NIV) "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
Who gives rewards at His soon coming? Verses 12, 13, the Alpha and the Omega.
(Matthew 16:27 NIV) "For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels, and then He will reward each person according to what he has done."
Who is the Son of man that is coming in His Father's glory? Verse 27, it is The Son of Man, (Jesus). Compare with the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God Almighty that is coming and was pierced, in Revelation 1: 7,8.
(Revelation 22:20 NIV) "He who testifies to these things says, 'Yes, I am coming soon.' Amen. Come, Lord Jesus."
Who is coming soon? the Lord Jesus. Compare Revelation 22: 12,13 as the Alpha and Omega.
Does It Make a Difference?
Because of the authority given Ellen G. White by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, many that read her statement that "the man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty" will regard it as truth. What does this false statement do to the deity of Christ? It says that the Father and Son are not really equal in their deity and that the Father is the Lord God Almighty and Christ is somewhat of a lesser God.
This is very similar to the beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses who believe that Jesus Christ is not God equal to the Father, and regard Him as just "a god " (with a small g). This is found in their New World Translation of John 1:1.The Wittiness also believe that Jesus is a mighty god and Jehovah is the Lord God Almighty. This gives Ellen G. White, the SDA Church and the Jehovah's Witness two Gods, one that is Almighty and one that is not as Almighty.
The Truth
Jesus Christ is called the Lord God Almighty, and the Alpha and Omega, Revelation 1:8, the same as the Father is called the Lord God Almighty and the Alpha and Omega. (Revelation 21:5-6)
Almighty applies to Christ, from the Greek word "pantokrator," which means all-ruling, Almighty, Omnipotent.
The Savior is equal to the Father, (Colossians 2:9 NIV) "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,"
God bless you as you lift up Jesus to His full deity as the Lord God Almighty.
Amen also and I think Revelation 19 Jesus is coming with the Wrath of the Lord so my question to Jehovah's Witnesses would be how does Jesus come with the Lord's wrath and not be God himself also in Revelation 9 there's 144,000 and also the great crowd standing before the lamb they believe that the great crowd is only to live here on Earth but the scripture says they are standing Before the Throne so if they are Before the Throne they are in heaven with Jesus
600 years after Jesus, The religion of Islam taught that Jesus was no more than a legendary messenger who was the son of Mary sent by Allah to the Jews. We also believe in his return during the end of times to establish peace on Earth.
یَـٰۤأَهۡلَ ٱلۡكِتَـٰبِ لَا تَغۡلُوا۟ فِی دِینِكُمۡ وَلَا تَقُولُوا۟ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ إِلَّا ٱلۡحَقَّۚ إِنَّمَا ٱلۡمَسِیحُ عِیسَى ٱبۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ رَسُولُ ٱللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُۥۤ أَلۡقَىٰهَاۤ إِلَىٰ مَرۡیَمَ وَرُوحࣱ مِّنۡهُۖ فَـَٔامِنُوا۟ بِٱللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِۦۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا۟ ثَلَـٰثَةٌۚ ٱنتَهُوا۟ خَیۡرࣰا لَّكُمۡۚ إِنَّمَا ٱللَّهُ إِلَـٰهࣱ وَ ٰحِدࣱۖ سُبۡحَـٰنَهُۥۤ أَن یَكُونَ لَهُۥ وَلَدࣱۘ لَّهُۥ مَا فِی ٱلسَّمَـٰوَ ٰتِ وَمَا فِی ٱلۡأَرۡضِۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِٱللَّهِ وَكِیلࣰا﴿ ١٧١ ﴾
O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!-for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs.
An-Nisa', Ayah 171
In answer to your question, Jesus comes with the Lords wrath because his father and his God Yehovah gives it to him, simple ! Jesus said all authority has been GIVEN TO ME, so the question to you is "who gave him the authority" ? Please read Rev 1:1 which says " The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him" So the question is "WHO gave Jesus the revelation ? was it not God, so then he can't be God now can he, unless he is giving the revelation to himself !
You might also want to read Rev 14: 14-15 which says: "14 And I looked and saw a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was One like the Son of Man, with a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand. 15 Then another angel came out of the temple, crying out in a loud voice to the One seated on the cloud, “Swing Your sickle and reap, because the time has come to harvest; for the crop of the earth is ripe.” So, we all know that the son of man in Vs 14 is Jesus, but then in Vs 15 we get to to see another angel telling Jesus to "put in his sickle and reap." Can you really God having to be told what to do and when to do it if Jesus is God ? Can you imagine God being ordered what to do by an angel ?
This Jesus is God mentality is really going to get people into trouble when we eventually have to make a standing before Jehovah, the FATHER & God of Jesus. Please see Jesus for who he is, it is not a case of who is right and who is wrong, but rather our eternal welfare depends on it.....Regards
@@STROND but why does the scripture say that Jesus is Alpha and Omega the one who died and is alive again when did the father die? And how could Jesus be Alpha and Omega if he wasn't God? not, x I am the first and the last, 18#and the living one. y I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and z I have the keys of Death and Hades
That is revelation 1:8 and 18
@@exjwlaura God has a God Hebrews 1:9 KJV
Jesus claiming to be God
Job 19:25 KJV ( Job's prophecy)
For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
Revelation 1:18 KJV (Jesus)
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
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Jeremiah 17:10 KJV ( God)
I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
Revelation 2:23 KJV ( Jesus)
I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Summarizing my understanding of Job 19:25-29
Job 19:25-29 is making a prophecy of eloah h433, God, who will stand upon the Earth in the last days. Though worms will destroy Job's skin and body, in his flesh he will see God with his own eyes to behold him despite the understanding that his deceptive heart ( his reins) would consume him.
Job positioned himself in his friends perspective, questioning why would they persecute him ( God) seeing that the problem is found in me (Job)? Job warns for those to be afraid of the sword, for the wrath that brings punishment. Which means whoever knows, knows that there is judgment.
For those who don't know, Jesus is claiming to be the Lord of hosts who is both the Redeemer who lives and who is also the one that searches/tries/examine the reins and hearts, or innermost thoughts.
Extra notes
Isaiah 54:5 Lord of hosts/redeemer
Jeremiah 11:20 Lord of hosts/reins and heart
Jeremiah 20:12 Lord of hosts/reins and heart
Michael is a redeemer saviour
And here is the outmost biblical response to the Jehovah’s Witnesses on this topic of the Trinity just like brother Tom just showed here is more that I’m going to show.
Biblical Response
The doctrine of the Trinity encompasses a great deal of the subject matter of the Bible. We have already dealt with much of the relevant subject matter in our earlier articles on Christ and the Holy Spirit. We will only be giving a brief overview here.12
1. There is one God, Yahweh (Jehovah), who alone is the creator and maker of everything else.
The fundamental doctrine revealed in the Old Testament is that one God, called Yahweh (Jehovah, the LORD), created all things. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Gen. 1:1). In Isaiah, Yahweh says, “I am Yahweh, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who by myself spread out the earth” (Is. 44:24). Yahweh was not simply the architect of creation, but its only creator and maker. In contrast to the popular pagan religions of the time that credited a group of deities with making the world, the biblical prophets in Israel clearly taught that one God had made everything (see also Neh. 9:6; Ps. 102:25; Isa. 37:16; 40:25-26; 42:5; Jer. 10:16; 51:19). The New Testament affirms this basic biblical doctrine that one God “created all things” (Rev. 4:11; see also Acts 4:24; 14:15; 17:24).
On the basis of his being the sole creator of heaven and earth, the Bible insists that Yahweh is the only true God. “To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh is God; there is no other besides him…. Yahweh is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other” (Deut. 4:35, 39; see also 1 Kings 8:60; Isa. 45:18-22). As Jeremiah put it, “Yahweh is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King…. The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens” (Jer. 10:10, 11). When Gentiles came to faith in Christ, they accepted this belief in one true God as they “turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God” (1 Thess. 1:9).
Jehovah’s Witnesses actually deny this biblical understanding of monotheism in their doctrine of Christ by claiming that he was a created angel who created everything else.
2. The Son, who became the man Jesus Christ, is himself eternal God.
We have already given quite a bit of attention to the Watchtower’s doctrine about the person of Christ, as we should considering the centrality of Christ to the New Testament. The Watchtower erroneously teaches that Christ was God’s first creature and the only creature that God made directly or immediately. After he made Christ, Jehovah supposedly empowered and instructed him to make the rest of creation as Jehovah’s assistant. We examined the biblical texts that the Watchtower misuses to support this doctrine and showed that the Bible teaches no such thing. We also explained why it is erroneous to identify Jesus as Michael the archangel.
We also showed in another article that the New Testament repeatedly refers to Jesus as God (John 1:1; 20:28; Acts 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1; 1 John 5:20) and as “Lord,” meaning Yahweh or Jehovah (e.g., Mark 1:3; Rom. 10:9-13; 1 Cor. 8:6; Phil. 2:9-11; 1 Peter 2:3; 3:13-15). For example, Paul writes:
The New Testament reveals the deity of Christ in numerous ways. We are to honor the Son just as we honor the Father (John 5:23). This means worshiping Christ along with all of the angels and redeemed peoples of the world (Heb. 1:6; Rev. 5:14), praying to Christ (John 14:14; Rom. 10:12-13; 2 Cor. 12:8-9; Rev. 22:20-21), and showing him the same “fear of the Lord” as the Old Testament says we should show toward Yahweh (Eph. 5:21; 1 Peter 3:14-16; see Prov. 1:7; Isa. 8:12-13). He is eternal or uncreated (John 17:5; Heb. 7:3), immutable or unchanging in his divine nature (Heb. 1:10-12), omnipresent (Matt. 18:20; 28:20; Eph. 4:10-11), and possesses all of the other attributes of God (Col. 2:9; Heb. 1:3). He is the King of kings and Lord of lords (Rev. 17:14; 19:16; see Deut. 10:17; Psa. 136:2-3) and the Savior of the world (John 4:42; Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:11; 1 John 4:14). He speaks with divine authority (Matt. 24:35; Luke 4:32; John 4:26), so that his word is the “word of the Lord” (Acts 8:25; 13:44, 48-49; 1 Thess. 4:15). He forgives sinners of all their sins (Matt. 9:1-8; Acts 5:31; Col. 3:13). Along with the Father, Christ the Son is the source of all spiritual blessings (Eph. 1:2-3; 1 Tim. 1:2; 2 John 2; Rev. 1:4). He sits on the very throne of God, ruling forever over all creation (Rom. 8:34; Eph. 1:19-22; Heb. 1:2-3, 8; Rev. 22:1, 3). When all of these aspects of New Testament teaching are considered together, the conclusion that the authors considered Jesus Christ to be God is overwhelming.
3. The Holy Spirit is a divine person distinct from the Father and the Son.
Just as there is very little in the Old Testament that refers explicitly to the Son as a divine person distinct from the Father, there is also very little if anything in the Old Testament that reveals the Holy Spirit to be a distinct divine person. In fact, the Old Testament has relatively little to say about the Spirit as compared to the New Testament. There are less than a hundred references to the Spirit in the whole Old Testament, whereas in the much shorter New Testament there are roughly 270 references to the Spirit. Most likely, the Old Testament did not speak clearly about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as distinct persons because its focus was on teaching Israel to believe in and worship the one God who made and rules the world, a notion that cut across the grain of their polytheistic civilization.
As we saw in our article on the Holy Spirit, the New Testament provides a much richer revelation of the Holy Spirit. Just before his crucifixion, Jesus himself revealed to his disciples the existence of the Holy Spirit as a distinct divine person like himself (John 14-16). His promise concerning the coming of the Holy Spirit was fulfilled in the early church as reported in the Book of Acts (e.g., Acts 1:8; 5:32; 8:29; 10:19-20; 13:1-4; 15:28; 16:6-7; 20:28; 21:11).
This person called the Spirit or the Holy Spirit is not a semi-divine being, separate from or inferior to God. Rather, the Holy Spirit is himself God (e.g., Acts 5:3-4). Thus, the New Testament teaches that the Holy Spirit is a third divine person, alongside the Father and the Son, and yet that there is only one God.13
4. The Christianity of the New Testament is Trinitarian in structure.
As every Jehovah’s Witness knows, the word “Trinity” is not in the Bible. However, the idea arises from everything that the Bible, especially in the New Testament, says about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We see this not just in various passages that talk about the deity of Christ or the person of the Holy Spirit, but in a pervasive pattern throughout the New Testament in which the three persons are presented alongside one another as divine. There are too many examples to list them all here; we will look at just a few of the more telling.
After his resurrection, Jesus commissioned his disciples to take the gospel to all nations, telling them to baptize people “into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt. 28:19). Jehovah’s Witnesses are taught that this statement means that people are to be baptized in the name of Jehovah the Almighty, his first created angelic son, and his invisible active force. This highly implausible interpretation completely breaks down with regard to the Holy Spirit, whom the Watchtower denies is even a person. The text makes much more sense as meaning that new disciples are to be baptized in the name of the three divine persons called the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Two passages from Paul’s writings, out of the many that could be highlighted, are especially important to notice:
“Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit.
And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord.
There are varieties of activities, but the same God who works all things in all.”
(1 Cor. 12:4-6)
“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ,
and the love of God,
and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.”
(2 Cor. 13:14)
In both of these passages, divine blessings are said to come from God (the Father), the Lord (Jesus Christ), and the (Holy) Spirit. The order in which the three are named doesn’t even seem particularly important. In 2 Corinthians 13:14, Paul has evidently written an explicitly Christian version of the famous priestly benediction in the Old Testament:
“The Lord [Yahweh] bless you and keep you;
the Lord make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you;
the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.”
(Numbers 6:24-26)
The apostle Peter in his first epistle invokes the names of all three divine persons in his salutation:
“…elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
in the sanctification of the Spirit,
for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace be multiplied.”
(1 Peter 1:2)
These are just a handful of the dozens of passages in which this threefold pattern of God-Christ-Spirit or Father-Son-Holy Spirit appears (for a few more good examples, see Matt. 1:18-23; Luke 1:35; Luke 3:21-22; John 14:26; Acts 2:33; Rom. 8:9-11; Gal. 4:4-6; Eph. 1:3-14; 4:4-6; Titus 3:4-6; Heb. 2:3-4; Jude 20-21; Rev. 1:4-5). These many passages confirm that the deity of Christ and the divine personhood of the Holy Spirit are not ideas mistakenly read into isolated proof texts but aspects of the New Testament’s pattern of belief.14
Yes but Tom got it all wrong with using a Bible translation which has spurious scriptures added !
This is for all Jehovah’s Witnesses on here praise my brother in Christ who made this video, let me ask this question Jehovah’s Witnesses if there is any? Why is it that you guys say that Jehovah God is called Almighty? You guys have shit up and down for years that if Jehovah God is ever called mighty then he is less powerful which is absolute nonsense. Then you said before that Jesus Christ just just called mighty God but he’s not the Almighty God even though Jesus himself Jehovah’s Witnesses claimed to be the Almighty God several times. Why is it Jehovah’s Witnesses that you deny your own scriptures that verify the Jehovah God is called mighty my name, so I guess from your New World translation this makes God less powerful than he actually is right? Of course not because the term mighty and Almighty yes are two different terms, however they both apply to the same God the father and the sun. So to say that Jesus is a lesser God than God the father, is complete absurdity, and also, Jesus himself said I am the alpha and the omega the first and the last the beginning and the end, the one that is pierced in revelation chapter 1 verse seven verse eight was Jesus he was pierced. The one that’s coming on the clouds of heaven is the son of man Jesus claim to be this very Son of Man while talking to the Pharisees quoting Daniel chapter 7 verse 13 and 14, furthermore yes Revelation chapter 1:7-8 clearly says that the son of man who is Jesus is the one that is pierced is Almighty God, the one who is and who is to come is the Almighty that’s Jesus it’s that simple. So Jehovah’s Witnesses if you knew what revelation taught like you guys say that well revolution talks about Jesus being the alpha in the omega from the dead the first of the last from the dead no that’s not what it says it all, yes it says he was raised from the dead however Jesus himself verify that he is the Alpha and the Omega the first and the last the beginning and the end. Jehovah’s Witnesses if you understand the old testament then you would understand that the Messiah who is Jesus Christ is eternal as Micah chapter 5 verse two has clearly stated. I’m going to read to you John chapter 17 verse five here in just a minute, however to go back to your statement that Jesus is not equal to God the father nor claimed equality with God the father really he didn’t? OK let’s go over to John chapter 10 verse 30 and 33I and my father are one the Greek word for this is neuter meaning one in unity, so Jesus share the exact same nature and essence as God the father, is he God the father? The answer is no he was sent by God the father to do the will of God bring out the gospel message to all the World, Jesus was sent into the world to do the will of the father, however he claimed equality with God the father saying that he shares the same essence and nature with God the father, and that he existed with God the father before creation ever began in John chapter 17 verse five. So again Jehovah’s Witnesses tell me where Jesus should not be worshiped that is not God where do you get the notion that he is Michael the Archangel here’s several scriptures that verify that no he is not there’s going to be a lot to read so be prepared.
I would do if it were not for the fact that he lies about what JW's teach at Rev 1:17 and that he uses a KJ version which uses spurious scriptures to try and justify a false teaching !
The Eternality and Pre-Existence of Christ
Eternality
The subject of Christ’s eternality deals with the fact that He has always existed as a person from eternity past, with no beginning and no end. The Scriptures give at least three lines of evidence for this fact: direct biblical statements, the deity of Christ, and His role in creation.
Direct Biblical Statements
Four biblical passages clearly ascribe eternality to Christ. The first, Micah 5:2, declared that Judah’s future deliverer, who would rule in Israel on God’s behalf, would be born in the small town of Bethlehem. Because humanity is born, but deity is not, this part of the declaration revealed that the Messiah would be a human being.
The next part asserted that this same person’s “goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” Concerning this statement, D. K. Innes wrote, “These words are suited to convey both the ancient lineage of Christ as a descendant of the family of David and also His eternal pre-existence” (“Some Notes on Micah” in Evangelical Quarterly, 41, no. 3 [1969], p. 170). Because eternal existence is an attribute of deity, but not of humanity, this part of the declaration ascribed deity to the Messiah.
Thus, Micah 5:2 indicated that the Messiah would be a God-Man, a unique being with deity and humanity existing in the same person. His humanity would have a beginning through conception and birth, but as a divine person, He is eternal-without beginning.
Two things should be noted regarding this prophecy. First, in spite of the fact that the mother and foster father of Jesus Christ lived in the city of Nazareth (Lk. 1:26-33), as the result of an imperial decree of Rome, He was born in Bethlehem (Lk. 2:1-7) in fulfillment of Micah 5:2.
Second, the ancient Jews understood Micah 5:2 to be speaking of the Messiah. This is revealed by the following events: Wise men from the east came to Jerusalem and asked King Herod, “Where is he that is born King of the Jews?” Herod asked the chief priests and scribes where the Messiah should be born. They answered, “In Bethlehem of Judæa,” and quoted Micah 5:2 as their proof (Mt. 2:1-6).
The second biblical passage that contains a direct statement about the eternality of Christ is Isaiah 9:6. In a context describing the future rule of the Messiah, this passage applied the name “The Everlasting Father” to Him. Franz Delitzsch stated that this name designated the Messiah “as the possessor of eternity” and as the one who would rule His people like a loving, faithful father (Isaiah, Vol. 1, Commentaries on the Old Testament, p. 253).
The third direct statement passage is John 1:1-3. Referring to Christ as “the Word,” the Apostle John stated, “In the beginning was the Word…The same was in the beginning with God” (vv. 1-2). He thereby asserted that Christ already existed with God before everything that had a beginning first began. Christ existed in eternity past before any part of creation came into existence. Concerning John’s statement, Leon Morris wrote, “The verb ‘was’ is most naturally understood of the eternal existence of the Word” (The Gospel According to John in The New International Commentary on the New Testament, p. 73).
The fourth biblical passage is Hebrews 7:3. The writer declared that Christ had “neither beginning of days nor end of life.” Concerning this declaration, Leon Morris stated, “The writer is, of course, speaking of the Son’s eternal nature, not of his appearance in the Incarnation” (Hebrews, Vol. 12, The Expositor’s Bible Commentary, p. 64).
The Deity of Christ
The deity of Christ is the second line of evidence for His eternality. Deity’s nature is to be eternal. Thus, the Apostle Paul signified that eternality is one of God’s attributes (1 Tim. 1:17). The Scriptures present the deity of Christ; therefore, He too must be eternal by nature. The biblical evidence for Christ’s deity will be examined in a later article.
Christ’s Role in Creation
The Apostle John asserted the following truth concerning Christ: “All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made” (Jn. 1:3). Christ played a significant role in the creation of everything that has ever been created. That work required His existence in eternity past before creation began. If Christ had not existed before the beginning of creation, He could not have been involved in the creation of everything that has ever been created.
The Apostle Paul declared the same truth about Christ when he wrote, “For by him were all things created…all things were created by him, and for him; And he is before all things” (Col. 1:16-17).
Here is more Jehovah’s Witnesses on the eternal Aliti of Christ that he claimed to have that he was eternal and he said he was eternal and existed before Abraham Isaac and Jacob he even said, in Mark chapter 14 verse 62, that he is the God of Abraham Isaac Jacob King David Daniel Moses and Elijah.
The Issue of the First-Born of All Creation
In Colossians 1:15 the Apostle Paul referred to Christ as “the first-born of all creation.” Some individuals and groups insist that this designation indicates that Christ was the first part of creation that God brought into existence. They claim that Paul was teaching that Christ is a created being, that He had a beginning in time and therefore is not eternal.
Does the expression “the first-born of all creation” mean that Christ was the first thing created? No, it does not. Paul was not saying that Christ is a created being. Several things prompt this conclusion.
First, Paul wrote Colossians to refute a heresy (Gnostic Judaism) that taught that Christ was part of creation.
Second, the idea that Christ was created is contrary to the context of Paul’s reference to Christ as “the first-born of all creation.” The context teaches that Christ created everything that has been created (vv. 16-17). Thus, F. F. Bruce wrote, “The context makes it clear that this title is not given to Him as though He Himself were the first of all created beings; it is emphasized immediately that, far from being part of creation, He is the One by whom the whole creation came into being” (Commentary on the Epistle to the Colossians in The New International Commentary on the New Testament, p. 194).
Third, there was a Greek word (protoktistos) that meant “first-created.” Paul did not use it here, and it is never used of Christ in the Bible.
When Paul referred to Christ as “the first-born of all creation,” he was teaching that Christ existed before and is sovereign over all of creation.
Fourth, the word that Paul did use (prototokos) had two connotations: priority and sovereignty. Priority had two possible sub-connotations: the first part of something or existence before something. The context of the word determines which sub-connotation is intended. The Colossians 1 context demands the sub-connotation of existence before something (vv. 16-17). Thus, when Paul referred to Christ as “the first-born of all creation,” he was teaching that Christ existed before and is sovereign over all of creation. F. F. Bruce stated, “What the title does mean is that Christ, existing as He did before all creation, exercises the privilege of primogeniture as Lord of all creation, the divinely appointed ‘heir of all things’ (Heb. 1:2). He was there when creation began, and it was for Him as well as through Him that the whole work was done” (Ibid.).
Pre-Existence
Pre-existence and eternality are not necessarily the same. This is evident because a human being can exist before a certain event, but that does not mean he is eternal by nature. Thus, when reference is made to the pre-existence of Christ, the emphasis is not necessarily upon His eternality. Instead, it is upon the fact that He existed before His incarnation in human flesh. He existed before He was born of the virgin Mary.
There are several evidences for the pre-existence of Christ.
The Eternality of Christ
Several lines of evidence have been examined for the fact that Christ is an eternal being, without beginning or end. The fact that He is eternal by nature prompts the conclusion that He existed before His incarnation.
Christ’s Claim of Pre-Existence
On one occasion when Christ was confronted by enemies, He said, “Your father, Abraham, rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad” (Jn. 8:56). His enemies challenged Him by saying, “Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?” (v. 57). Jesus responded with an astonishing claim: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am” (v. 58). The word translated “was” in this statement literally means became or came to be and refers to Abraham’s birth (William F. Arndt and F. Wilbur Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, p. 157). Thus, through that statement Christ was claiming that He existed before Abraham was born. In light of that fact, the additional fact that Abraham lived approximately 2,000 years before Christ’s incarnation forces the conclusion that Christ existed before His own human birth.
Pre-Incarnate Appearances of Christ
The Old Testament Scriptures refer to a being who, on several occasions, either appeared or spoke to human beings. Various titles were applied to this being, such as “the angel of the Lord,” “the angel of God,” or “the captain of the host of the Lord.” The Old Testament references reveal that this being was divine, not an angel. The word translated “angel” in the Bible literally means messenger and sometimes refers to beings other than angels.
When, at a specific point in time, He was incarnated in human flesh, He added a complete human nature to His pre-existent, eternal, divine nature.
An example of an appearance by this being is recorded in Exodus 3-4. The person who appeared to Moses in the burning bush is called “the angel of the Lord” (3:2); however, He is identified as “the Lord” and “God” (3:4) and “I am” (3:14). He claimed to be “the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob” (3:6). Moses hid his face from this being, “for he was afraid to look upon God” (3:6). These facts signify that a divine being appeared to Moses. Because the Scriptures clearly teach that no human being has ever seen God the Father (Jn. 1:18; 6:46), it must be concluded that this divine being was not the Father. The Bible also indicates that Christ is the being who reveals God to the world (Jn. 1:18; 14:8-9; Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3). It seems evident, then, that Christ was the being who made these appearances to Moses and others in Old Testament times, and these appearances testify to His pre-existence before His incarnation in human flesh.
Christ’s existence did not begin when He was conceived in Mary’s womb and born into the world several months later. As an eternal divine being, He had always existed without beginning and end throughout eternity past and Old Testament history. When, at a specific point in time, He was incarnated in human flesh, He added a complete human nature to His pre-existent, eternal, divine nature. The Word, who existed with God the Father before the beginning of creation, became flesh and dwelt among people on the earth for more than thirty years (Jn. 1:1-3, 14).
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Conclusion
The doctrine of the Trinity is not a pagan doctrine in any sense. No pagan religion ever taught any doctrine that even resembles the doctrine of the Trinity except in the most superficial manner. The church fathers who developed the formal, systematic doctrine of the Trinity from the second to the fourth centuries were Christians, in some instances eventual martyrs for their faith, who were zealously seeking to uphold the teachings of Christ and the apostles in the New Testament. In formulating the doctrine of the Trinity, the early church established a view of God that was radically opposed to Greek philosophical notions about the divine. In doing so, they naturally used language and categories of their Hellenistic culture to express what the New Testament teaches. They could not do otherwise, just as we cannot avoid speaking in modern Western cultural terms (such as “relationships” or “individuals”) when explaining what we understand the Bible to teach on this subject. Far from being a pagan doctrine, the Trinity is the distinctively Christian conception of God as he has revealed himself in the New Testament in the persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Jesus is a God he is not the one God
One more thing I’m gonna show to everybody Tom you are included, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have openly said that the trinity is pagan pagan origin so on and so forth here is what the doctrine of the trinity is.
Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that the Trinity is an apostate doctrine borrowed or adapted from pagan religious beliefs in triads of gods. However, the doctrine of the Trinity owed nothing to pagan triads of deities and was formulated by Christians on the basis of the teachings of Scripture
What the Watchtower Teaches
According to the Watchtower Society, “The Trinity doctrine, their concept of God himself, is borrowed from pagan sources and was developed in its present form centuries after Bible writing was completed.”1 Jehovah’s Witnesses are taught that belief in the Trinity arose as part of the worldwide apostasy fomented by Satan:
But Satan sowed false disciples, like weeds, in among these true followers of Jesus. Thus, as Jesus himself foretold, during the centuries after his death, false disciples appeared. These promoted apostate teachings, such as the Trinity, the idea that there are three persons in one God.2
The Watchtower’s polemics against the doctrine of the Trinity have repeatedly claimed that it originated from paganism. This claim is supported by two very different arguments. Most commonly, Jehovah’s Witnesses have pointed to apparent examples of divine triads, or groups of three gods, in various ancient religions as demonstrating the pagan nature of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. So, for example, a 2013 article in the Watchtower magazine compared the doctrine of the Trinity to ancient Babylonian religion:
The religious triad, or trinity, was a prominent feature of worship in Babylon. One Babylonian triad was composed of Sin (a moon-god), Shamash (a sun-god), and Ishtar (a goddess of fertility and war).3
Over the years, the Watchtower Society has quoted from a wide array of publications that agree, or that appear to agree, that Trinitarian theology originated from paganism.
Second, the Watchtower Society has blamed the influence of pagan Greek philosophy for the development of the doctrine of the Trinity. In one article, for example, the Society criticizes the term homoousios (“of one substance”) in the Nicene Creed as an “unbiblical Greek philosophical term.”4 Here again, the Watchtower frequently quotes from a variety of publications to marshal apparent scholarly support for their criticisms of the doctrine of the Trinity. We will examine an example later in this article.
Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that their doctrine is the clear and obvious teaching of the Bible. They reject the idea that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three co-eternal, fully divine persons. The view they espouse in place of the doctrine of the Trinity is summed up briefly in the following comment on Matthew 28:19, which Christians historically have understood to refer to the Trinity:
To be baptized as a genuine Christian and one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, a person must acknowledge the supremacy of the Father, Jehovah, as well as the position and authority of God’s Son, Jesus. The baptism candidate must also believe that the holy spirit is God’s active force, not part of a Trinity. (Gen. 1:2) An individual who continues to believe in the Trinity cannot be baptized in symbol of a valid dedication to Jehovah God.5
The Watchtower doctrine summarized above consists of the following beliefs:
Jehovah alone is the Father, the Almighty God. He alone has always existed without beginning. Christians should pray to Jehovah the Father only, never to Christ.
Jesus Christ, before his human life on earth, existed as a created angelic being, the first and only direct creation by Jehovah God. This “firstborn son” of Jehovah was Michael the archangel.6 After Jehovah made Michael, he authorized him to make the rest of the world and the creatures in it by Jehovah’s power and design. Michael’s life force was transferred into the human organism of Mary’s son Jesus. After Jesus died, he was re-created by Jehovah as a spirit or great angel again. Jesus Christ was and is “a god,” a divine being, but not God.
There is no person called the Holy Spirit. Rather, Jehovah God has an invisible, active force that the Bible calls spirit or holy spirit. Jehovah uses this active force to exert his power and influence throughout the world.
The Watchtower’s Pseudo-Scholarship on the Origins of the Doctrine of the Trinity
The Watchtower’s frequent quotations present the veneer of thorough historical scholarship regarding the background and origins of the doctrine of the Trinity. However, their handling of the ancient sources as well as modern scholarly reference works is so poor and so distorted that we may fairly describe it as pseudo-scholarship. Moreover, abuse of scholarship has been a serious problem in Watchtower literature for many decades.7
The Watchtower’s penchant for comparing the doctrine of the Trinity to various triads of deities in other religions is an excellent example of its shallow and misleading use of scholarship. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the polytheistic religions of Babylon or other pagan nations had any influence on the development of Trinitarianism. Consider, for example, the alleged Babylonian “trinity” of Sin, Shamash, and Ishtar. These were not one God in any sense, but were viewed as three different gods. Moreover, these gods were just three among many gods in Babylonian thought. In another publication, the Watchtower actually gave this point away when discussing the origin of astrology, offering the following quotation from the Encyclopaedia Britannica:
The movements of the sun, moon and five planets were regarded as representing the activity of the five gods in question, together with the moon-god Sin and the sun-god Shamash, in preparing the occurrences on earth.8
Historically, Babylonian polytheism simply has nothing to do with the theology of the church fathers in the second, third, and fourth centuries AD. The Babylonians lived in a different part of the world two thousand years before the church fathers. Theologically, the only possible point of comparison between the Babylonian triad of Shamash, Sin, and Ishtar (the sun, moon, and earth deities) and the Christian doctrine of the Trinity (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is the number three, as B. B. Warfield pointed out a century ago:
Triads of divinities, no doubt, occur in nearly all polytheistic religions, formed under very various influences…. It should be needless to say that none of these triads has the slightest resemblance to the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The Christian doctrine of the Trinity embodies much more than the notion of “threeness,” and beyond their “threeness” these triads have nothing in common with it.9
The Watchtower’s polemic against the doctrine of the Trinity has at least some relationship to fact with regard to the claim that the doctrine was influenced by Greek philosophy. The factual element here is that the church fathers lived in a thoroughly Hellenistic (culturally Greek) society in which Greek philosophical terms and categories were part of the way educated people thought and spoke. Everyone who participated in discussions about the nature of God did so in that context, even those whose primary language was Latin. Both Trinitarians and non-Trinitarians in the third and fourth centuries employed Greek terms. Here again, however, the Watchtower has frequently misrepresented the work of scholars in order to make it seem as though the doctrine of the Trinity substituted Greek philosophical beliefs for the biblical teachings. An interesting example is the following statement in a 2002 article:
One reference work states: “Trinitarian theology required the aid of Hellenistic concepts and categories for its development and expression.”10
Here the Watchtower article does not even bother to inform the reader as to the source of this statement. It comes from a book on the history of heresy by a Christian scholar named Harold O. J. Brown. As is very often the case, the quotation cuts off the source in mid-sentence. Here is what Brown actually wrote:
It is evident that Trinitarian theology required the aid of Hellenistic concepts and categories for its development and expression, but they were the tools by means of which the implications of the New Testament were realized; they were not foreign concepts imposed upon an essentially simple message.11
Yes....the Trinity is indeed a pagan teaching adopted straight out the pages of Egyptian pagan worship.......Notice that Gods people in the past, that it the Jews NEVER subscribed to such a teaching !