I wonder if this would help with color negative conversion … at least NLP applies their own profile, so I guess this would not work. But for a manual conversion … ?
It would totally help for manual inversion. In my testing I would open my raws in camera raw, apply the linear profile, lens corrections, stuff like that, then do my inversions manually. I am not 100% sure what NLP exactly does camera profile wise but it would be nice to know. Could probably make a forum post asking.
@@ShyStudios I'm not even sure if the "linear" is actually linear in a technical sense, since true linear images look very different to what you're showing (for what I've seen so far, but I might be wrong). I should give it a try to see what comes out of it.
@@c.augustin In theory these profiles should give you the actual true linear color space that the raw sensor captures, but it is possible the raw conversion software or even the camera itself still does some kind base gamma correction to that data. If that is the case then you should consider these profiles to just be a "flat" (linear) tone curve that is applied after the "raw conversion". Really the only way to know what is going on is to write your own raw processing software or read the source code of an existing raw processing program. I ASSUME adobe camera raw does gamma correction and demosaicing before it takes the color profile into consideration at all.
@@ShyStudios More or less my thoughts. Reading the source code would be too cumbersome (and I'm a bit out of practice ;-)), so I'll go with what I can get. NLP3 seems to do a better job than previous versions (at least this is my impression), so manual conversion is only for special cases.
Thanks for the video. Does the profile you make act as a raw profile that presets and other profiles go on top of? Or if you add another profile..say a goodlight or archetype process profile, this method wont make a difference?
It really depends on how the profiles were made. These linear profiles are camera specific. Most of the "film look" or other artistic profiles are non camera specific (they are just LUTS) so you can use them with anything. It really all depends on how the artistic profile was made and what kind of input it is expecting. I would say maybe try to do an initial edit with the linear profile, export that, then apply the artistic profile on a reimport and see if it looks good or not.
Wow - That's a lot of info in a compressed format - very nice. Big thanks!
So good. Thats what i looking for ❤️
I wonder if this would help with color negative conversion … at least NLP applies their own profile, so I guess this would not work. But for a manual conversion … ?
It would totally help for manual inversion. In my testing I would open my raws in camera raw, apply the linear profile, lens corrections, stuff like that, then do my inversions manually. I am not 100% sure what NLP exactly does camera profile wise but it would be nice to know. Could probably make a forum post asking.
@@ShyStudios I'm not even sure if the "linear" is actually linear in a technical sense, since true linear images look very different to what you're showing (for what I've seen so far, but I might be wrong). I should give it a try to see what comes out of it.
@@c.augustin In theory these profiles should give you the actual true linear color space that the raw sensor captures, but it is possible the raw conversion software or even the camera itself still does some kind base gamma correction to that data. If that is the case then you should consider these profiles to just be a "flat" (linear) tone curve that is applied after the "raw conversion". Really the only way to know what is going on is to write your own raw processing software or read the source code of an existing raw processing program. I ASSUME adobe camera raw does gamma correction and demosaicing before it takes the color profile into consideration at all.
@@ShyStudios More or less my thoughts. Reading the source code would be too cumbersome (and I'm a bit out of practice ;-)), so I'll go with what I can get. NLP3 seems to do a better job than previous versions (at least this is my impression), so manual conversion is only for special cases.
Thanks for the video. Does the profile you make act as a raw profile that presets and other profiles go on top of? Or if you add another profile..say a goodlight or archetype process profile, this method wont make a difference?
It really depends on how the profiles were made. These linear profiles are camera specific. Most of the "film look" or other artistic profiles are non camera specific (they are just LUTS) so you can use them with anything. It really all depends on how the artistic profile was made and what kind of input it is expecting. I would say maybe try to do an initial edit with the linear profile, export that, then apply the artistic profile on a reimport and see if it looks good or not.
I think Capture One does this automatically
can you help me