I note an advantage over the new Hornby one - the top of the tanks is modelled correctly. It is plating that folds over the tank itself and the seam can be seen whereas Hornby is just flat. Not massively noticeable, but certainly demonstrates the extra care Dapol/Rails have put in.
Like their I gauge one however it is missing the hatch in the cab for the coal... Not an instantly visible omission but one that makes a real loco nothing more than a static exhibit! Hopefully I can position a crew in the way to obscure its omission.
Great reviews Jennifer Kirk on the new dapol terrier. It ture the best model of the terrier we got so far but I did think the Hornby one it good for people who don't have a lots of money. But the hornby one in my book is so toys like to the new dapol one. Wizard that I found with my news Hornby terrier they didn't run that well. But the old dapol one a got in this the LSWR green is run a lot better. The flickering light look lovely in the new dapol terrier it would be lovely if you Jennifer Kirk done a video of it running in the night. Special beacuse as the flickering light look lovely can't wait to see it in the d class want railway of Sheffield are making to as the cab is more open up. But the details is top level on the new dapol one and would not need to be updated in 50 year or more in my opinion and even if a better one come out in the long future it will still be able to stay strong but I think the Hornby terrier will be updated soon they letter based on how good the new dapol terrier is. But I wish they put a coal load in the detail bag as it would give people the choose to do them own coal in or use the dapol one. Can't wait of my one to come want it the LBSC brown and if they good a will be going for one more and that would have to be LBSC stroudley improved engine green Brighton Gold But I would love to see dapol to the new terrier in more LBSC brown and the bluebell railway line black want they warn in the (1960'S) and SR malachite green with British railway beacuse I would buy them for sure. Keep safe as all Jennifer Kirk and great work rail of Sheffield and. Dapol.
Excellent video Jenny! This is clearly a love to have Terrier and you have almost persuaded me to buy one but I reckon SWMBO might have something to say lol. The well thought out DCC Ready designed in is super on this small engine - retro fitting a decoder to the original Dapol/Hornby model was so fiddly to do. I think Rails have a winner here and many of their current sales will be down to your video. Nice one!
A very positive review which makes my anticipation of my ordered one even keener. It looks too precious to weather but I will add crew, coal and lamps. When I look back at what r-t-r locos were available in the 1960's when I started modelling this offering is unbelievable!
Thanks for a very informative review. Only point I would disagree with is regarding the benefits of sprung buffers. You point out how the sprung coupling allows sharper curves to be negotiated without buffer lock - sprung buffers also help with this and allow those of us who like to close up the loco-train gap as narrow as possible a little more leeway. As most (but admittedly not all) modern locos have sprung buffers I personally would see it as a backward step if manufacturers stopped providing them - certainly on premium priced models.
I was initially concerned for how these would come out in comparison to the very good Hornby one, but this one is also quite excellent! The cab glow effect is superb and those metal disc brackets would look excellent with some fitted. The cab glazing is particularly thin, impressive!
Thanks for that Jennifer, I’ve been really enjoying your videos as I’m a recent returnee to model railways. I’ve just ordered one if these as I agree with you, it looks really good. Looking forward to your next video and the arrival of my new Terrier. Kind regards, Martin.
A very thorough and well explained review. I would, however, have liked an appreciation of the quality of the sound given that the speaker is already chosen.
They've still screwed up the vaccum/air pipes. That model on the review should have a vaccum pipe and not an air pipe because it doesn't have the westinghouse pump on the side. It also doesn't have vaccum gear in the cab.
Looks like a beautiful model. The only things I could spot from the details being blown up in the video- there's a bubbling effect on the Salter safety valves and the cab window frames. However I doubt that is visible looking at it without a magnifying glass. The other thing that the lbsc experts will know, was there a plate between the flare of the chimney and the chimney proper? I know on other company's locos the brass flare was a simply wrapped around the chimney and attached only at the flare base giving an odd effect looking down.
It is good that Rails have brought out an Isle of Wight loco now that DJ Models has gone bust and their O2 Adams tank is no longer available. The Terrier was used on the Isle of Wight before the war to haul 4 wheel carriages, but after the war 8 wheel bogie carriages were introduced and the Terriers could not haul these up to Ventnor very easily, so the Terriers were returned to the mainland and replaced with O2 tanks. All the O2 tanks on the IOW were cut up at the end of steam except for one - Calbourne - which was purchased by enthusiasts to run on the Havenstreet Railway. The Terriers faired much better as preserved locos because they are ideal for use on a heritage line.
I have just received my terrier and I came back to check your review as I was surprised a steam train was not provided with some coal. So surprised was I that I also checked with rails. Seemed an odd thing to do on such a lovely model. Good review by the way ive watched it twice now. :)
I must admit ive never notice the between the frames motion on the real thing despite seeing them at least once a year for the last 15 ! It is a beauty though and I'm very tempted to go Isle of Wight for an OO model.
I would be happy to have this or the Hornby version on my layout. They are both miles ahead of the old Hornby/Dapol model. However there are things about both models I like and don't like. I would like to see a head to head in regards to running qualities.
Thanks Jenny as always for an informative video and I do appreciate you showing how to DCC Fit. I have the Hornby KESR model and this looks a step above especially the detailing and I too like the firebox flicker. If I do go for one it would be a Southern livery and I would go the whole hog and have the sound fitted version. Cheers Kev
Its a beautiful model and this is only a slight gripe , have they put the shovel plate in the back of the cab from the bunker, i'm sure it was missing in the pre production model the back of the cab looks very plain that said it is still a fantastic model well done Rails / Dapol .
hi Jenny/zoe am going to wait awhile as ive got so many mainly lner pre orders i do have 2 exclusive locos for ros being secr d class and cr 812 so this terrier going to have to wait i think still a great model the flicking fire box is a gimmick in my opinion same with opening smoke box doors (only my opinion) sorry but ive done the history again (if you want me to stop just say) number lbsc 61 lbsc (2nd) 661 sr 2661 br 32661 built at Brighton on 31/10/1875 Rebuilt from A1 Jan 1912 withdrawn on the 30/4/1963 cut up at eastleigh works on the 13/9/1963 shed codes only 2 i can find are: fratton 1948 eastleigh 26/11/1959 (eastleigh is thge shed code on your model) note: The last Terrier to be scrapped by British Railways keep safe arp
Oh Jennifer you do such a good job of getting me to part with money. Just like the J15 and the Black WW2 A4, I've now ordered an LB&SCR. Oh I do like that brown.
I very much enjoy your reviews and samples, thank you. I was wondering, when you put wonderful care and effort into fitting decoders, could you also install a Driver and fireman? Kinda takes the "ghostly" void and driverlessness away. John
Hi Jenny. As you pointed out in your review, this model has many things to commend it. What I didn't get from the review was the randomness of the flickering firebox; all I remember seeing was a repeated sequence of nine rapid flashes, then the light going off - perhaps if we saw it running for a longer period of time.
After waiting for so long, it's extremely disappointing to immediately see at least 2 major errors which should have been corrected before production - ie the extension coal rails should extend right to the back of the curved raves on the bunker and the tops of the side tanks have an incorrect profile, replicating Hornby's error.
Not being a rivet counter, I love this even with design irregularities. I wonder if they will run on a North American electrical system. Can anyone tell me?
I'd be hard pressed to say that this is the definitive version of the terrier as you kept repeating. Apart from very minor detail improvements and some parts worse than the Hornby model, for the extra money its a bit of a hard sell given Hornby's wide range and wide distribution of their models. I have Hornby's Stepney and Rail's Burnt Umber version, and to me the differences were basically negligible. The Rail's model had worse cab detail, worse wheels, less accurate brake rods, I would have a hard time recommending the Rails terrier over the Hornby one given the price increase with relatively negligible differences, unless you really like the firebox flicker.
having looked at your review dapol have done a model that s okay but your close shots show bits of poor paint affect if I was to buy a terrier it would be Hornby your review was in depth but flawed inn favour of rails and dapol to many rivet counters ruining the hobby and jacking prices up the fire box flicker is just a waste and something else to go wrong
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I note an advantage over the new Hornby one - the top of the tanks is modelled correctly. It is plating that folds over the tank itself and the seam can be seen whereas Hornby is just flat. Not massively noticeable, but certainly demonstrates the extra care Dapol/Rails have put in.
Like their I gauge one however it is missing the hatch in the cab for the coal... Not an instantly visible omission but one that makes a real loco nothing more than a static exhibit! Hopefully I can position a crew in the way to obscure its omission.
in later releases, Hornby have corrected this to some degree
Great reviews Jennifer Kirk on the new dapol terrier. It ture the best model of the terrier we got so far but I did think the Hornby one it good for people who don't have a lots of money. But the hornby one in my book is so toys like to the new dapol one. Wizard that I found with my news Hornby terrier they didn't run that well. But the old dapol one a got in this the LSWR green is run a lot better. The flickering light look lovely in the new dapol terrier it would be lovely if you Jennifer Kirk done a video of it running in the night. Special beacuse as the flickering light look lovely can't wait to see it in the d class want railway of Sheffield are making to as the cab is more open up. But the details is top level on the new dapol one and would not need to be updated in 50 year or more in my opinion and even if a better one come out in the long future it will still be able to stay strong but I think the Hornby terrier will be updated soon they letter based on how good the new dapol terrier is. But I wish they put a coal load in the detail bag as it would give people the choose to do them own coal in or use the dapol one.
Can't wait of my one to come want it the LBSC brown and if they good a will be going for one more and that would have to be LBSC stroudley improved engine green Brighton Gold But I would love to see dapol to the new terrier in more LBSC brown and the bluebell railway line black want they warn in the (1960'S) and SR malachite green with British railway beacuse I would buy them for sure.
Keep safe as all Jennifer Kirk and great work rail of Sheffield and. Dapol.
Excellent video Jenny! This is clearly a love to have Terrier and you have almost persuaded me to buy one but I reckon SWMBO might have something to say lol. The well thought out DCC Ready designed in is super on this small engine - retro fitting a decoder to the original Dapol/Hornby model was so fiddly to do. I think Rails have a winner here and many of their current sales will be down to your video. Nice one!
A very positive review which makes my anticipation of my ordered one even keener. It looks too precious to weather but I will add crew, coal and lamps. When I look back at what r-t-r locos were available in the 1960's when I started modelling this offering is unbelievable!
It's arrived.....it's gorgeous. How do I restrain myself from buying more versions?
What a little gem and now I'll be in touch with my local shop to get my hands on each one as the roll out here in Aust.... excellent review Jenny
Great, informative and well researched review. Thanks very much, Jennifer.
Thanks for a very informative review. Only point I would disagree with is regarding the benefits of sprung buffers. You point out how the sprung coupling allows sharper curves to be negotiated without buffer lock - sprung buffers also help with this and allow those of us who like to close up the loco-train gap as narrow as possible a little more leeway. As most (but admittedly not all) modern locos have sprung buffers I personally would see it as a backward step if manufacturers stopped providing them - certainly on premium priced models.
I was initially concerned for how these would come out in comparison to the very good Hornby one, but this one is also quite excellent! The cab glow effect is superb and those metal disc brackets would look excellent with some fitted. The cab glazing is particularly thin, impressive!
Thanks for that Jennifer, I’ve been really enjoying your videos as I’m a recent returnee to model railways. I’ve just ordered one if these as I agree with you, it looks really good.
Looking forward to your next video and the arrival of my new Terrier.
Kind regards,
Martin.
A very thorough and well explained review. I would, however, have liked an appreciation of the quality of the sound given that the speaker is already chosen.
The sound fitted models aren't yet available. The speaker is just prefitted from the factory
They've still screwed up the vaccum/air pipes. That model on the review should have a vaccum pipe and not an air pipe because it doesn't have the westinghouse pump on the side. It also doesn't have vaccum gear in the cab.
Another great video as always Jenny. 👍
Looks like a beautiful model. The only things I could spot from the details being blown up in the video- there's a bubbling effect on the Salter safety valves and the cab window frames. However I doubt that is visible looking at it without a magnifying glass. The other thing that the lbsc experts will know, was there a plate between the flare of the chimney and the chimney proper? I know on other company's locos the brass flare was a simply wrapped around the chimney and attached only at the flare base giving an odd effect looking down.
Bubbles are from the steam!
It is good that Rails have brought out an Isle of Wight loco now that DJ Models has gone bust and their O2 Adams tank is no longer available. The Terrier was used on the Isle of Wight before the war to haul 4 wheel carriages, but after the war 8 wheel bogie carriages were introduced and the Terriers could not haul these up to Ventnor very easily, so the Terriers were returned to the mainland and replaced with O2 tanks. All the O2 tanks on the IOW were cut up at the end of steam except for one - Calbourne - which was purchased by enthusiasts to run on the Havenstreet Railway. The Terriers faired much better as preserved locos because they are ideal for use on a heritage line.
I have just received my terrier and I came back to check your review as I was surprised a steam train was not provided with some coal. So surprised was I that I also checked with rails. Seemed an odd thing to do on such a lovely model. Good review by the way ive watched it twice now. :)
I must admit ive never notice the between the frames motion on the real thing despite seeing them at least once a year for the last 15 ! It is a beauty though and I'm very tempted to go Isle of Wight for an OO model.
I would be happy to have this or the Hornby version on my layout. They are both miles ahead of the old Hornby/Dapol model.
However there are things about both models I like and don't like. I would like to see a head to head in regards to running qualities.
Thanks Jenny as always for an informative video and I do appreciate you showing how to DCC Fit. I have the Hornby KESR model and this looks a step above especially the detailing and I too like the firebox flicker. If I do go for one it would be a Southern livery and I would go the whole hog and have the sound fitted version. Cheers Kev
Top video and a cracking looking loco. Will grab one of the shirtbutton GWR when they come (hopefully soon)!
Great video, ans nice Model.
Its a beautiful model and this is only a slight gripe , have they put the shovel plate in the back of the cab from the bunker, i'm sure it was missing in the pre production model the back of the cab looks very plain that said it is still a fantastic model well done Rails / Dapol .
hi Jenny/zoe
am going to wait awhile as ive got so many mainly lner pre orders i do have 2 exclusive locos for ros being secr d class and cr 812 so this terrier going to have to wait i think
still a great model the flicking fire box is a gimmick in my opinion same with opening smoke box doors (only my opinion)
sorry but ive done the history again (if you want me to stop just say)
number
lbsc 61
lbsc (2nd) 661
sr 2661
br 32661
built at Brighton on 31/10/1875
Rebuilt from A1 Jan 1912
withdrawn on the 30/4/1963
cut up at eastleigh works on the 13/9/1963
shed codes only 2 i can find are:
fratton 1948
eastleigh 26/11/1959 (eastleigh is thge shed code on your model)
note: The last Terrier to be scrapped by British Railways
keep safe arp
Beautiful model! I like the flickering effect!
Trmn311 The flickering effect does work well.
Oh Jennifer you do such a good job of getting me to part with money. Just like the J15 and the Black WW2 A4, I've now ordered an LB&SCR. Oh I do like that brown.
They are certainly pushing the boundaries in the detail and there will be a good seller. I hope to see some on eBay in the future. Martin. (Thailand)
Hi Jennifer I would liked to have seen sprung buffers, its my only gripe , these days I think its a standard fitting , a must have IMO. Great post.
I very much enjoy your reviews and samples, thank you. I was wondering, when you put wonderful care and effort into fitting decoders, could you also install a Driver and fireman? Kinda takes the "ghostly" void and driverlessness away.
John
Very nice loco 👍
Hi Jenny. As you pointed out in your review, this model has many things to commend it. What I didn't get from the review was the randomness of the flickering firebox; all I remember seeing was a repeated sequence of nine rapid flashes, then the light going off - perhaps if we saw it running for a longer period of time.
After waiting for so long, it's extremely disappointing to immediately see at least 2 major errors which should have been corrected before production - ie the extension coal rails should extend right to the back of the curved raves on the bunker and the tops of the side tanks have an incorrect profile, replicating Hornby's error.
What's the error with the tank top profile?
' BoxHill ' version available also. Ask Sam's Trains! Isn't the A1X, being Marsh rebuild?
Ahh, so thats why the wallet did a runner this morning :D
Hi Jenny, is there room for a stay alive in addition to the sound chip? Thanks
Just received Boxhill. Is anyone else experiencing problems with these Terriers derailing?
And the Westinghouse pump is missing from 32655!!
Not being a rivet counter, I love this even with design irregularities. I wonder if they will run on a North American electrical system. Can anyone tell me?
If you are straight DC or DCC you will be ok.
Is there space for a stay-alive, I wonder...?
I'd be hard pressed to say that this is the definitive version of the terrier as you kept repeating. Apart from very minor detail improvements and some parts worse than the Hornby model, for the extra money its a bit of a hard sell given Hornby's wide range and wide distribution of their models. I have Hornby's Stepney and Rail's Burnt Umber version, and to me the differences were basically negligible. The Rail's model had worse cab detail, worse wheels, less accurate brake rods, I would have a hard time recommending the Rails terrier over the Hornby one given the price increase with relatively negligible differences, unless you really like the firebox flicker.
Comparing it too the O gauge version of the Dapol terrier, I think this too much money for a OO Gauge tank engine.
having looked at your review dapol have done a model that s okay but your close shots show bits of poor paint affect if I was to buy a terrier it would be Hornby your review was in depth but flawed inn favour of rails and dapol to many rivet counters ruining the hobby and jacking prices up the fire box flicker is just a waste and something else to go wrong