I always thought it to be way funnier to imagine that sans actually has as much hp as we do damage but still dies because we just hit like a truck at this point in the run
I just thought he had a normal amount for a monster lol In truth, considering his nature, it's probably 69 hp lol (Gaster's HP is a bunch of 6s, Papyrus has 680, if Sans has less than them it could be three 6s, but it seems more his style to be in two digits, so maybe 66, 67 to be in between the two, or 68? But knowing him, he wouldn't miss that free opportunity)
Gaster isn't Canon big dawg HE DOES NOT have a bunch of 6's as hp technically his name isn't gaster his sprite name is mystery man technically but everyone just calls his gaster because it gives him more character depth.
@@doobleylive2585 I don't even know where to start with you. Gaster may not be Mysteryman, but considering a "Gaster follower" who talks about him and says he's holding a piece of him appears to hold something very similar to the head of the Mysteryman sprite, it's VERY likely that Gaster is the Mysteryman sprite. As for his HP and connection to Sans? *YES HE LITERALLY DOES* Obviously you never fight him but Gaster DOES have stats in the code. He gives negative EXP and money when beating him *And the skulls Sans uses to shoot lasers are called GASTER BLASTERS in the code* Gaster is canon AND canonically has SOME connection to Sans If Gaster WERE to have some relation to Sans, for example, being Sans' father which is unconfirmed but lightly implied, it would make sense that said magic would be inherited from said potential father.
"I will always find you, no matter how far you run, and no matter where you hide" - ■■■■■■ *i forgot what it was* - gaster after he gets beaten in an argument by someone who he calls stupid who is, unknowingly, making him doubt the survivor's guilt he had for years
@@Thisguy0187"So Sorry" is someone's OC who ended up making it into the game (dont remember how) and has an entire secret boss battle on a specific day, if you want any more info on that I'd recommended searching it up. Hope I helped!
@@Xamuel2D every one of Sans attacks is like a poke in your forehead. Individually, they are nothing. Eventually they add up to death though. Sans also has the special skill of removing the windup of pulling his finger back and pushing it back to your forehead from existence so you get poked 20 times in an instant. But they're all still just forehead pokes.
Honestly I feel like the 1HP thing is just because Toby had no reason to specify any health to Sans due to how the battle works in gameplay, he just dies in one hit because of Frisk’s LOVE or the real knife or whatever
Its so funny to imagine sans being clumsy and hitting his head on a table while standing up and than he's just like "Huh- ...EYEYHAHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYY-" *f**king disintegrates*
Sans having just one HP is badass. He's the essence of laziness, so of course he doesn't train physically and he wouldn't be acquiring execution points either since he's peaceful towards the other monsters. And yet he's still strong. That's awesome! If anyone is butthurt and thinks that we're calling Sans weak by headcanoning him as 1 HP, I think you're misunderstanding what's so funny and epic about him being simultaneously the easiest and hardest enemy.
He isnt that stupid to have only 1 total HP, if he did, he would die from any regular incident in Underground. He gains his HP from sleep buff, which makes him have more HP than Asgore.
@@ctaplliekjiacchuk6478 I like the idea of sleep giving him enough HP to not be in literal mortal peril from the slightest of injuries! But I think that Sans having low max HP wouldn't make him stupid. It'd imply he's smart enough to avoid dying (as shown when he's clever enough to dodge in genocide)
@@fictey Yet no one else does. Sans is the only one who thinks to do it. He doesn't need more HP than Asgore or Undyne or Papyrus or even Froggit to be strong. He survives using his savvy.
Nobody gets it... Why do you think he doesn't fight until Genocide? It's not just that he can't be bothered, it's that according to his stats he'd be killed in an instant, but the thing is... He's also labeled as the easiest enemy in his check screen. Clearly they're referring to his stats and not his fighting ability, so his health being locked at 1 makes perfect sense even for as much as people want to deny it. The truth is, realistically Sans is a glass canon, and you can look at fan works and his different AUs and such and see differently, but og canon Sans has 1 HP, it's truly the only thing that makes sense given all the evidence.
Except fucking not, because Flowey's vines in Pacifist don't kill him. Besides, Mettaton NEO's CHECK stats are an outright lie, so why is Sans' suddenly not when it's entirely the same purpose as -99999 DEF? The canon HP is unconfirmed. Simple as that.
@@LucasTehDukas ... You're not fucking serious right now, are you? IT USED THE FUCKING PHOTOSHOP FLOWEY VINES (tinted slightly blue for some reason) FOR THE SPRITE!!! OF FUCKING COURSE IT'S GREEN, THE IMAGE ITSELF IS! DOES THAT SUDDENLY MAKE IT HEAL? NO, OF COURSE IT DOESN'T; THOSE SAME VINES FUCKING HURT YOU IN HIS FIGHT IN NEUTRAL!!!
@@Imadog4834-qr9icMettaton NEO has negative DEF in the files and tons of hp so when you hit him, it deals an ungodly amount of damage to show how strong you've gotten.
And it works better than having hp defense or attack Also you could say he invested in skill since he has the most difficult to avoid attacks and has the retribution hp burn ability Or maybe that all comes with psychic power and he just invested in that instead
people think that because off-guard one-shot hits do the exact amount of hp the monster has (plus one), and sans takes 999 million damage when hit off-guard
There is a theory that because he sleeps all day his health is ABOVE the default health. So he could have more than one hp but have a default of one hp.
I think Sans' max HP is 1, but considering you can restore health above your max HP in the game, he might have more than his max considering he sleeps A LOT.
He not only sleeps a lot he also uses items a lot. He drinks Ketchup, which the player is never able to do. Drinking Ketchup could overheal sans by a lot
@@JustmeKarma Well he can't grow his max, but he can gain more HP past his max without affecting it. Like he could still have 120 HP while still having a 1 HP max.
To everyone saying that it's to script a one shot kill, that's not it. Whenever a one shot is scripted to happen like with Mettaton Neo, the defense is changed to be negative. HP is always consistent.
What else could you base his HP off of 💀plus theres characters like Gaster having a stat in the code but not ingame anyways, so I think that unless stated otherwise the stats in the code are canon.
@@SupremeBlade101 it didn’t show the damage counter for any of the monsters, so I doubt it. And its not like theres any physical injuries that you can see on the monsters anyway
@@lastcorridorsans The damage counter isn't aways needs to be present for a monster to be taking damage. For example killing Sans, Asgore and Flowey in geno, Undyne jumping of the bridge to save monster kid and the amalgamates (mainly snowdrops mom) just to name a few.
@@SupremeBlade101 Sans has a damage counter in genocide, and for Asgore I don’t think the damage counter shows because of how Flowey is a monster or has no confirmed base stats. Same reason why he doesn’t have a damage counter in Genocide, he’s soulless and not a ghost. Its like attacking a wall and expecting a damage counter to appear. Thats why he doesn’t have a set hp for when he ‘dusts away’, because he cant. Also just saying, the Undyne one isn’t relevant as it wasn’t during a battle.
Maybe it's because Sans has a DODGE ability, unlike other characters that stand still and take the hit. He only got hit since the heart was on the FIGHT button, and pressing Z moves the next set of dialogue. Preventing him from dodging at that moment.
Actually sans does a lot of sleeping and in Undertale resting allows you to go above your max HP. This is why he wouldn't die if he were to stub his toe.
I mean, it might not be canon. Lots of the geno fights have their stats altered to make them 1-shot, but have different actual stats. Because sans has no pacifist/neutral fight, we wouldn’t technically be able to know for sure.
You do have to consider, Mettaton NEO has a very large amount of HP, which can be considered canon, and it was made like that to show that he is very powerful health wise. The only thing for that fight is he has negative defense.
I once had a theory, that says that Sans actually in the canon, he should have 11HP, this is because when Frisk Sleeps at the snowdin hotel, they do have 10HP more than his Maximum HP, so, Nothing Stops Sans From Having 11/01 HP, since he is a slacker and loves to sleep
Counterpoint: Mettaton neo, there is no realistic way that Mettaton neo only has on HP being either an upgrade to EX yet they also have 1 HP in the game code to make sure the player can kill them.
I don't think that mettaton NEO's defence is actually -whatever big number it was on the game files Edit: I was just making a fucking joke. I would have done more research if I wasn't 😭 I wasn't expecting for the comments to get this crazy 💀
oh my god. Please. HP is always accurate. Defence is not. This is shown IN THE METTATON NEO FIGHT. BECAUSE TOBY GAVE HIM 30000 HP? What is that fake too?
@@crazygamingoscar7325 shall we talk about how much exp sans gives....0....how much exp is needed to level up from 19-20...50k.... he gives 50k exp....he has to have more HP then 1
@@errornekochara Why... would the health and exp be correlated? I'm pretty sure they're not previously correlated. For example: Temmie grants 50 exp with 5 hp and -20 df. Pyrope meanwhile has 110 Hp and gives only 80 exp. Theres no correlation between HP and exp. Its about how violent you need to be.
@@user-1-2946jeff Ice Cube has an attack when it comes to multi-monster encounters, Jerry, ln the other hands, doesn’t have any attack no matter what. Sure, maybe Jerry is better in defense (obviously.) but not in attacks.
Sans isn't actually a threat. I know that's hard for the fandom to hear, but if you don't play the actual "fight mini game" that everyone does in the Underground, you can literally punch him and kill him. It's canon that the "FIGHT" is voluntary, and you could just kill someone without playing.
@@sheogorath6834 never looked in the games files myself, so wouldn't know. But tbf there are many situations in game where sans should have died, like seriously if he steps on a spiky twig he should really die, but he doesnt so idk. And just because health is consistent it doesn't necessarliy mean sans' would be the same?
@@jammydodgersvideotin2245 "But tbf there are many situations in game where sans should have died" Like when...? "like seriously if he steps on a spiky twig he should really die" We don't know how many damage this would deal (if this even deal damage) so idk what you're trying to prove. "And just because health is consistent it doesn't necessarliy mean sans' would be the same?" Like you said, health is consistent with everyone else. So tell me, why would that be any different with Sans for no reasons...?
FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS, I WAS THINKING THAT FOR A LONG TIME! But I think he doesn't have 1 hp since in game stats ARE NOT CANON (example: asgore attack, mettaton neo defense)
Because they think he's cool. And because people make mods that are completely centered about him and him only. People always treat him as the strongest character despite the only thing great about him is the Gaster Blasters and his dodging mechanic, whilst other characters have obviously more and interesting gimmicks like Mettaton's ratings, Mettaton's essay question, Asgore destroying the Mercy button, Asriel's blaster attack, Asriel's Thunder attacks, Asriel's Star attacks and more
@@Hanzlolz-yy9ctI mean ngl mettaton has the best gimmick being the essay questions, ratings, and yellow soul. But other characters rlly don’t have many interesting gimmicks like sans does. Asgore is just a fight where you can’t spare him until the end. Asriels got cool attack patternss but that’s pretty much it. I mean after all,sans throws Your soul around like a tennis ball, teleports you into attacks, can INFINITELY extend his turn, and overall has the most advanced attack patterns in the game. The only thing I can see coming close is omega flowey with his save/load, unique design, soul mechanics, etc.
@@fictey I forgot to mention about Undyne can endure DETERMINATION in Genocide Route which gives us Undyne the Undying. There are also characters that have their own gimmicks like Woshua's wash (?) mechanic, etc. Also, ease up on Asgore. He literally broke up with his wife and lost his children
@@Hanzlolz-yy9ct undynes geno fight is the most BADASS in the game Frfr. Also I’m not trying to downplay asgore I’m just saying he did not have crazy gimmicks like most characters. THE SHOCK YOU GET WHEN YOU SEE HIM BREAK THE BUTTON FOR THE FIRST TIME IS CRAZY
I'm on the not 1HP side but I don't believe that Flowey's vines are an attack. He clearly intended to use it purely to capture and not to kill so it probably didn't do any damage.
People keep saying "no you're just really strong at the end of Geno" ...so you guys completely ignored what LV and EXP mean, huh? You're not stronger at all. You don't hurt the monsters more because you've buffed up, you hurt them more, and get hurt by them less, because monsters are harmed more by murderous intent than actual strength, and because you've emotionally distanced yourself so much that their "attacks" (which are magic, and therefore likely equally affected by emotions) don't hurt as much; do people read what the game says??
... You realize you aren't changing anything about the argument at hand, right? You're arguing unrelated semantics. From the player/human's perspective, we're getting stronger. Even Noelle in Deltarune says she's getting stronger, which technically isn't true. Who cares? Who _really_ cares?
Not really You're missing the part where your soul gets stronger, as stated by Flowey at the beginning of the game So you technically DO get stronger, but not by much It doesn't give you more DT, it just strengthens what you already have by making you numb in emotions and straightforward in actions This invalidates Dusttale, which is why fangirls don't accept it
@@narrativeless404 that may be true but it's a widely beloved fan work not because it needed to fit neatly into canon, but rather because it's an interesting concept that the community has executed well in enough instances to make enjoyable fan works. Obviously canon is much better because it sticks with his character better since he actually cares but that's only because the community ruined the concept very early on by misunderstanding it. If you couldn't tell, even despite its inherent lack of canonicity it's one of my favorite AUs simply because it shows the depths of Sans' resolve, willing to do something that he doesn't want to and actively regrets simply to try and prevent them from being endlessly murdered because he's the only one who can, he's the only one powerful enough and he's the only one who knows. I don't care if it doesn't fit neatly into canon, it'll still be one of my favorite AUs either way.
its one hp cause you never hit him in normal and toby made a way to be shoted in one hit it means if he hadnt a fight with dodging, his hp could be more than 1
I would be surprised if He managed to stand and talk after He got 9999 damage if He only had 1 HP, And I mean He Papyrus older brother so It won't make sense for Papyrus to have more HP than Him
Sans's death is a bit strange compared to other monsters anyways we never see him turn to dust on screen and he seems to have blood on him which the fandom headcanon is that its ketchup we just don't know sans is a mystery
@@-E-s-o All of the Geno bosses (except Sans) have negative defense to make sure they die instantly (or for inflated DMG in the Undyne fight). But these bosses have in game stats you can check and look at in game, so those are obviously the stats that are meant to be taken as canon, while the code stats are understood to be the way they are to make sure the game works. But Sans' numbers aren't handled this way. He doesn't have negative defense like all the other Geno bosses. No, his in game stats and code stats are completely in line with each other, which is completely different from all the other bosses. The fact that his stats are handled so much differently than everyone else's makes it feel much more deliberate. Checking Sans tells us that he has 1 attack and 1 defense, and that he's the easiest enemy. Him having 1 HP falls in line with that perfectly. It's good story telling too. You'vs made it through the entire game, reached the highest LV you possibly could, you have equipment that gives you 99 attack and 99 defense and have a whooping 92 HP, and the only thing standing between you and beating the game is the absolute WEAKEST enemy possible, with flat ones across the board. It's good shit! And it might just be me, but it doesn't hit the same if his HP is 5 or 20 or 100 or whatever. And honestly? Just saying "Toby said the code isn't canon" is a bizarre argument to me. I can't recall if he actually said that or not, but assuming he did, so what? Sure, it makes sense to dismiss Undyne the Undying and Mettaton Neo having negative defense values in the code, but that doesn't mean all of the code stats are inaccurate. The code says that Asgore has 3500 HP, so does that mean have a different amount of health? No, of course not. That would be silly. If the code said Sans has 2 HP, would that suddenly make 1 HP Sans viable? The argument that because the code isn't canon, and the code says Sans has 1 HP, then Sans absolutely cannot have 1 HP is very, very silly to me. Yes, the code shouldn't be taken at face value when determining what is or isn't canon, the Geno bosses are proof of that. But when we have no way to gadge Sans' HP in game, and the only frame of reference is the code stats, which are completely in line with his other stats, and has perfect narrative cohesion, it just, makes sense.
@@-E-s-oso youre telling me toby made sans have 1's across the board completely coincidentally? its stated in canon that he's the weakest enemy, that description should naturally include hit points
Funfact: youre wrong. In sans fight he is DESIGNED to be one shot. His health bar never shows up, so theres no reason for toby to bother govong him an accurate hp. If we're taking the ingame stats as canon, mettaton neo has negative 30k defence
A frog can kill him with a lick YET A FLOWER THAT HAS THE POWER OF SIX HUMAN MOTHAFREAKIN SOULS CAN'T KILL IT WITH A GIGANTIC DAMN VINE..... Physics :]
You're also ignoring the fact that frog would have to be either time-space-rendingly FAST to hit him in the first place, or clever enough to catch him off guard. Sans' physical body's frailty doesn't somehow make him less of a force to be reckoned with - he didn't survive this long on dumb luck
im just confused why it even mattered for that playing as sans video anyway considering that the point was to make it so you were one shot so like in theory you could have had normal health but just have negative defense no matter the lv but that makes it way harder for the player to remember, plus there's an easier chance something could go wrong also, why does this debate even matter in the first place for... any reason? im genuinely asking because for lore it doesn't matter since genocide is the ONE TIME you fight him and he goes down in one hit, and every other time you fight him is in fanon so people could make him have 1 hp if they wanted, which again, makes it not matter really and usually, those sans fights are ALSO in genocide which would make sense for you to oneshot him most times anyway, except in situations like dusttale, where he distances himself as well in order to grow stronger, which then makes the creator boost his health, defense, and damage which makes the canon numbers legitimately not matter we can't rely on code, and the game certainly never tells us nor can we figure it out any other way unless toby just decides to end the debate by saying "hey guys sans hp max value is actually _____" so im kinda confused why people are up in arms about this whole debate anyways
the stats in the game files are likely not canon, since the in-game check stats are different from the actual stats. however, sans is the only enemy to not have a health bar in the menu or after attacking…
In fighting games based of undertale, sans has 1 hp yet 3500 stamina, and the stamina is used up by dodging, when he has no stamina left you can deal damage to him.
@@ernestitorant_yt not so bad, actually, i mean i don't even know if i can feel pai- .....wait, you want me to ask you something about balls.... don't you.
But sans is fricking smart. I mean yeah sure dodgeing isn’t that impressive… but being able to teleport and have vast knowledge of quantum physics? I think sans could easily avoid injuries.
For that point every monster could die for one hit ( specially with the royal knife ) plus in the geno descriptions changes, so i belive that he had more hp , but for that point we belive that he had 1hp cuz he keps dogging, also it could be sans itself playing with our mind to make his batle even worse
The whole “Code says this” isnt by any stretch of the word an end all be all, as most main characters (most notably mettaton neo) have incorrect stats for the check compared to the actual stats used, plus sans having 1 hp would mean he’d die from a paper cut or stubbing his toe, i find it pretty unlikely. minor note, a friend of mine once posed the theory sans has 11 HP, keeping with the “1” theme of his stats while not making him more frail than a geriatric grandma, to the point he’d die of stubbing his toe
Monsters never have been shown to lose HP outside of battle. And sans has 1 def stubbing his toe is gonna leave him at 1 hp even if he doesn’t have exactly 1
@@gamercentral2417 there’s nothing that says it just for humans, I’m pretty sure the inn keeper mentions it, so if she knows about it then it most likely would happen to monsters too
Yo MysticSlime if this is the case there is one thing i would like you to explain: when you finally hit sans in the fight if he supposedly has 1 hp then why doesnt he immediately die or anything upon the 9999999999 damage attack and instead proceed to bleed out? If anything when he gets hit he should immediately die without any dust even to scatter either that overload of damage
Because sans has.... blood? It could be the reason he doesnt instally dust away Also remember, toriel gets dealt alot of dmg and doesnt instally die too
Because he's a boss. None of the boss dies instantly and most of them have a monologue before they dies. That means nothing lore-wise, that's just a game thing.
@@ctaplliekjiacchuk6478 There litterally nothing in-game that justify the boss not dying instantly. (Well, except maybe for Asgore and Toriel, since their souls are a bit stronger than others monsters)
The thing is game file stats aren't always exactly true, like how NEO in the game files has like negative 4 hundred thousand defense or something, while if you check it is a perfectly normal number
Also there something and that mettaton neo has so much negative defense to make sure he die in one hit its because of his massive hp that he need so much negative df to be sure he die in one hit from everything because if he didn't had negative defense the fight would be long so it cant be use for the argument that stats in the code cant be used
Don’t worry guys he has slippers on so he can’t stub his toe also his jacket keeps him from taking that much damage so like he’d probably lose like 0.5 HP and he can’t get a paper cut because he has mittens so…
The game files do say that Sans has 1 HP, but they also say that Mettaton NEO has negative DF. (He actually has decent DF, but in the files he has a negative amount to show how OP Frisk is by now.)
Yeah, MT Neo has negative defense to guarantee a one shot. So does Toriel, and so does Papyrus. You know what they don't have? Lower than usual hp. HP is always consistent between actual fights and the files. HP is never changed to script a one shot. Only defense is. Why would Sans be the only monster to have both his HP and Defense changed for a one shot?
Contrary to popular belief, hp in the code and hp in the game are exactly the same. Undyne really has 1500hp for example. Also Mettaton NEO doesn't have "decent" defense, he only have 9, which is lower than Napstablook.
Not disagreeing with you, but using in game stats doesnt mean much, unless you're also willing to argue Asriel only has 8 Attack and that Glyde is stronger than him
That doesn’t mean anything. That’s like saying neo is incredibly weak when it really isn’t and you’re just really strong at that point. Canonically it has high defense, but in the code it does not.
@@narrativeless404 What kind of logic is this? Sans only has stupidly low hp in the game files so you can one-shot him. Same purpose, just done differently.
@@idk-cj8mn Nope MTT NEO has 30k HP, and Sans has 1 MMT NEO gets varying amount of damage Sans always gets the same ridiculous number, because it's scripted (and his file stats aren't even used by code) Sans is described by Chara as "The weakest enemy", and every check description has been more or less accurate Just accept your defeat already, *fangirl*
Everyone in the comments trying so hard to say that sans doesn't have 1hp. It's weird to say the files aren't canon in a game made by the same creator who HID DIALOGUE in the game files. Besides, even if they aren't canon, that doesn't mean they're not right. It's more of a stretch to say he doesn't have 1hp with no evidence than it is to say he does have 1 hp with his actual stats displayed for everyone to see in the game files. And because I see everyone mentioning it *Flowey doesn't damage the monsters with his vines. He intends on stealing their souls and wouldn't want to shatter them. You also don't see any damage numbers when he grabs them. Also we only see Frisk gain 10 hp after sleeping, that doesn't necessarily mean it applies to monsters too. Besides, you can only get it to go 10 hp above the maximum if I remember correctly so even if it did work, that would mean Sans still only has 11 hp. (Also, you can sleep at multiple points in the game like in Toriel's house and the True Lab, but only when you sleep at the Inn do you get the boost. So it's not just simply sleeping that applies this boost.)
Yeah flowey definitely held back to not risk a single soul since he needs them to gain the power equivalent to 7 human souls (every monster soul=1 human soul)
I also want to point out Mettaton's defense in the files. NEO is set to -4000 I believe, which is intentional. NEO is unfinished when you fight him in the geno route, which is why despite him supposedly having higher defense than everyone else we've fought he goes down in one hit. And no, it's not for programming reasons as you one shot every boss monster no matter what as they are most likely event triggers. Which is why the damage numbers that pop up don't change at all, no matter your stats. (And no, that doesn't mean it's they're actual max HP as you can fight them in pacifist and see that their HP is much lower than the damage you deal in geno).
I think that intentional secrets and actual technical stats should be separated actually. like Gaster could be considered lore but with Sans, Toby probably just mashed the 1 button.
It's meant to drive home the fact that A, he's the "easiest enemy in the game" because all you have to do is hit him once. And B, he's the _laziest_ character in the game. It's only hard to kill him because he can dodge and you have to literally wait him out and outsmart him to find a way to actually kill him.
The vine that flowey made to capture them all right before he turned into Asriel has thorns on it surely sans had to be stung by atleast one of them dont you think that that would have dealt some sort of damage
Maybe, but do you really think that he have only 1 hp? In game files that he have max 1 hp, and in pacifist we can have only 20 hp. But did you know we could get 30 hp? We can sleep in inn and mtt to get extra 10 hp, and what sans doing when we running from undyne in hotland? Sleeping. Plus he could sleep any time before, we can say that he really likes to sleep by looking on his bedroom. It means that he atleast can have 11
@@shadowdokpaynt5236his sleep buff is much better than frisk's, he supposed to survive player attack, but frisk was full of bloodlust and hatred, so it did 999999 damage in the end of day.
If you think that if somebody accidentally punches sans he would die you'll be wrong. See it has been proven many times that the only way to lose HP is when you are in a BATTLE. If frisk accidentally bumped pretty hard into somebody will he lose HP? I don't think so...
Nah coded stats arent canon he has 1 hp because from a gameplay perspective thats all he needs, theres no point in game where he would ever need to survive an attack (such as a neutral route fight) he only needs the 1 hp because iif it was set to 0 he would die before the battle starts
Litterally every "boss" are scripted to die in one hit in geno (except Undyne the Undying), yet Sans is the only one who have 1hp. It that was only because of that, Toby would have just gived him negative defense like everyone else.
@sheogorath6834 yes but sans is ONLY fought in geno the other bosses can be fought outside of geno and other than mettaton neo all the other bosses can survive multiple hit in neutral
Fair enough, but the thing is, that the actual stats in the game' code don't always accurately reflect the character's capabilities and limits in universe like Undyne the undying receives damage going into the thousands in her fight to convey how powerful you are when normally the player does a few hundred at most against normal enemies and Mettaton NEO's defence is -40,000 if I remember right but that is done to ensure that Frisk will one shot him to show how powerful the geno route makes you become rather than it being canon that a slight gust of wind could severely injure him. The same could apply to Sans since the player is supposed to one-shot him as you can only fight him when you are on the peak of maxing out your LV in the geno route.
The game can control a character's defense internally (separate from the actual stats) this is especially noticeable when muffet gets massively damaged compared to neutral/pacifist, same for toriel, etc, toby could have just as well given mettaton 99 defense and manually control your damage output Also, sans is even more of an anomaly, as the hit you deal to him isn't even actually any sort of damage for the code's purposes, it's all treated as a cutscene (especially easy to know since it's scripted damage, pure 9s), reason why the kill counter doesn't increase despite his death (toby forgot to manually raise the count by 1 after the battle, regular death code doesn't play out) He could have given sans 99999999 HP for all he cared, since it'd behave the same exact way it did His 1 HP simply means he has 1 HP
The stats in the game files mean nothing for Sans' HP, remember Mettaton NEO? Supposed to be one of the strongest enemies in canon lore, gets one shotted, the reason out of game lore? His defense is like -40K in the game files, the same Logic could apply to Sans, Mettaton NEO has this defense so that Toby is SURE we One Shot Mettaton NEO, it could be the same thing for Sans.
Nope. When a one shot is scripted in game the defense is changed to the negatives. Just like you mentioned with Mettaton Neo. This is also true for genocide Papyrus, Toriel, and literally every other one shot. HP is never changed to script a one shot and the hp in the files is accurate to every single other character.
That's possible but it's not like Toby is a particularly lazy game dev. It just doesn't make sense for him to change Sans' hp when he never changes the hp for any other character.
Contrary to popular belief, HP in the code and in the game are exactly the same. Undyne has really 1500hp for example. Also, litterally every "boss" (except Undyne the Undying) is scripted to die in one-hit in genocide, yet Sans is the only one of them who have 1hp in code.
@@sheogorath6834 Because you don't even fight Sans at all in any other route besides the no mercy one. Why would Toby give him any other HP stat when he just dodges every attack anyway?
So if Sans were to stub his toe would he just die
why do i see you every where
probably
Nah he would dodge it
no stubbing a toe deals less than 1 hp plus he has mufflers to negate the damage
@@moltenboss1371nice
The thought of a random monster in the underground giving him a pat on the back and seeing him fucking die instantly is hilarious to me
@@visibledreamer8460 LMAOOOOO
Monster: Yo dude, high five!
Sans: *Dies*
Monster: TRAUMATISED
Small gust of wind: 💨
Sans: Well. I'm going to grillby's
@@kimgkomgthis is hilarious
Heya to actually attack/kill a monster you have to have the intent to kill/attack them
I always thought it to be way funnier to imagine that sans actually has as much hp as we do damage but still dies because we just hit like a truck at this point in the run
I just thought he had a normal amount for a monster lol
In truth, considering his nature, it's probably 69 hp lol
(Gaster's HP is a bunch of 6s, Papyrus has 680, if Sans has less than them it could be three 6s, but it seems more his style to be in two digits, so maybe 66, 67 to be in between the two, or 68? But knowing him, he wouldn't miss that free opportunity)
Gaster isn't Canon big dawg HE DOES NOT have a bunch of 6's as hp technically his name isn't gaster his sprite name is mystery man technically but everyone just calls his gaster because it gives him more character depth.
@@doobleylive2585in game files lists gaster hp. Tf you mean gaster isn’t canon
@@doobleylive2585
I don't even know where to start with you.
Gaster may not be Mysteryman, but considering a "Gaster follower" who talks about him and says he's holding a piece of him appears to hold something very similar to the head of the Mysteryman sprite, it's VERY likely that Gaster is the Mysteryman sprite.
As for his HP and connection to Sans? *YES HE LITERALLY DOES*
Obviously you never fight him but Gaster DOES have stats in the code. He gives negative EXP and money when beating him
*And the skulls Sans uses to shoot lasers are called GASTER BLASTERS in the code*
Gaster is canon AND canonically has SOME connection to Sans
If Gaster WERE to have some relation to Sans, for example, being Sans' father which is unconfirmed but lightly implied, it would make sense that said magic would be inherited from said potential father.
I think its true. The files state that Mettaton Neo has -9000 defense, which is _definitely_ not canon
“You have to learn how to dodge”
-W.D
wait wait wait is it from "handplates"?
Omg handplates😍
Lol
"I will always find you, no matter how far you run, and no matter where you hide" - ■■■■■■
*i forgot what it was* - gaster after he gets beaten in an argument by someone who he calls stupid who is, unknowingly, making him doubt the survivor's guilt he had for years
Oh it’s handplates reference. I thought it was dbz abridged
Gaster chilling at the bottom with 666666 hp: 😔
Tell dende i said hi
Do you mean? -666666?
@@MK777-h8Nah thats his gold and xp reward
Who's "So Sorry"?
He's between Glyde and Doodlebog.
@@Thisguy0187"So Sorry" is someone's OC who ended up making it into the game (dont remember how) and has an entire secret boss battle on a specific day, if you want any more info on that I'd recommended searching it up. Hope I helped!
But with all the sleeping he does, sans probably has a lot of extra HP.
I completely forgot aboit that mechanic
You cant pass the 10 barrier
So he might have 10 extra hidden hp
It only works in Snowdin inn and in the MTT resort, and Sans doesn't even sleep that much anyways.
It literally says his *MAX* hp is 1
@@sheogorath6834 isnt there a bed in the true lab?? Or does ur hp not regenerade there
Having 1 HP, And being one of the hardest bosses in the game is insane.
Hardest boss weakest enemy
Sans is just 1% power, 99% skill
@Steasy48 well be has 1 attack and 1 defense, theres a difference between being strong and still having great experience in martial arts
@@Xamuel2D every one of Sans attacks is like a poke in your forehead. Individually, they are nothing. Eventually they add up to death though. Sans also has the special skill of removing the windup of pulling his finger back and pushing it back to your forehead from existence so you get poked 20 times in an instant. But they're all still just forehead pokes.
@@mochimonarchimo undyne the undying is harder although i think i just need to get off bad time simulator
I did not realize Sans' HP was such a divisive topic.
In the Inn at Snowdin, the clerk tells you that sleeping can bring you over your max hp, and Sans sleeps a lot. So he probably has more than one HP.
genius
Bros trying so hard to hang on
A-
...wait one damn second-
But it says his MAX HP is 1 so it can't go over 1
@@Tailso_Johnsenn2 "sleeping can bring you OVER your MAX hp"
HP would be an acronym for hope, sans knows that the world resets again and again and he can't do anything to avoid it
hp isnt confirmed to stand for hope and it really doesnt make sense, what does frisk hope for in genocide run?
He doesn't know about resets
@@Libralines He does though. He recognizes that something is off from people's repeated behaviors.
@@seabass273 He hopes to succeed and destroy everything because he can
isn’t it ironic that this video originates from the comment section saying that mystic said something that was completely made up from the fandom?
Honestly I feel like the 1HP thing is just because Toby had no reason to specify any health to Sans due to how the battle works in gameplay, he just dies in one hit because of Frisk’s LOVE or the real knife or whatever
Nah,lil bro is simply way too good at dodging,i'm not sure why ya refuse to believe he actually DID no-hit you 💀🗣️🔥🔥🔥
No
And detirmination
Me who killed sans with a stick:
Why then mettaton neo doesn't have 1 hp?
Its so funny to imagine sans being clumsy and hitting his head on a table while standing up and than he's just like "Huh- ...EYEYHAHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYY-" *f**king disintegrates*
1. He has 1 hp in code
2. With 1 def he gets one shotted anyways
pretty sure a normal hit wouldn't instant kill if he had papyrus level HP since only off-guard hits do insane damage
@@oliothan mettaton neo had negative def and got one shotted
Sans is the third closest to that
Second being snowdrake without his hat
@@gamercentral2417Monster Kid with 0 def: 😟
@@jacobblakely2224 ni-
@@gamercentral2417 negative defense means you take more damage... do you have trisomy 21 by chance?
Sans: makes pun
Human: haha good one *playfully elbows sans*
Sans: fucking dies
@@jakinlee5961 I'm hearing the noises from UnderPants 🤣
I read "makes pun" as "makes gun".
One shot? Good luck landing that hit.
I am a firm believer that sans could've dodged way more in that fight if he didn't decide to fake-sleep just to do a little bit.
if frisk attacked horizontally sans would’ve been done bro
Probably @@bruh-it1or
@@bruh-it1orPlot twist: he goes back to dodge it
@@bruh-it1or he could just jump lmao
“Heya Whimsun, Whatch-“
“WHAT THE HELL WHIMSU-“
*dies*
Sans having just one HP is badass. He's the essence of laziness, so of course he doesn't train physically and he wouldn't be acquiring execution points either since he's peaceful towards the other monsters. And yet he's still strong. That's awesome!
If anyone is butthurt and thinks that we're calling Sans weak by headcanoning him as 1 HP, I think you're misunderstanding what's so funny and epic about him being simultaneously the easiest and hardest enemy.
He isnt that stupid to have only 1 total HP, if he did, he would die from any regular incident in Underground. He gains his HP from sleep buff, which makes him have more HP than Asgore.
@@ctaplliekjiacchuk6478 I like the idea of sleep giving him enough HP to not be in literal mortal peril from the slightest of injuries! But I think that Sans having low max HP wouldn't make him stupid. It'd imply he's smart enough to avoid dying (as shown when he's clever enough to dodge in genocide)
@@poky4669tbh I think anyone could dodge if they tried hard enough. What so hard about moving a few inches away from an attack?
@@ctaplliekjiacchuk6478head canon be like:
@@fictey Yet no one else does. Sans is the only one who thinks to do it. He doesn't need more HP than Asgore or Undyne or Papyrus or even Froggit to be strong. He survives using his savvy.
Nobody gets it... Why do you think he doesn't fight until Genocide? It's not just that he can't be bothered, it's that according to his stats he'd be killed in an instant, but the thing is... He's also labeled as the easiest enemy in his check screen. Clearly they're referring to his stats and not his fighting ability, so his health being locked at 1 makes perfect sense even for as much as people want to deny it. The truth is, realistically Sans is a glass canon, and you can look at fan works and his different AUs and such and see differently, but og canon Sans has 1 HP, it's truly the only thing that makes sense given all the evidence.
Except fucking not, because Flowey's vines in Pacifist don't kill him. Besides, Mettaton NEO's CHECK stats are an outright lie, so why is Sans' suddenly not when it's entirely the same purpose as -99999 DEF?
The canon HP is unconfirmed. Simple as that.
@@bababooey5402 me when I lie.
@@bababooey5402 the vine was green lol. you could literally just say its a green attack, which heals.
@@LucasTehDukas ... You're not fucking serious right now, are you?
IT USED THE FUCKING PHOTOSHOP FLOWEY VINES (tinted slightly blue for some reason) FOR THE SPRITE!!! OF FUCKING COURSE IT'S GREEN, THE IMAGE ITSELF IS! DOES THAT SUDDENLY MAKE IT HEAL? NO, OF COURSE IT DOESN'T; THOSE SAME VINES FUCKING HURT YOU IN HIS FIGHT IN NEUTRAL!!!
@@crazygamingoscar7325 The fuck are you talking about.
It's like if we go on genocide route as our first route on undertale, we would've thought every boss have 1HP since we kill them in 1 hit.
I have a feeling that for every attack, Sans does 1 damage PER SECOND
The one hp is so Toby fox can kill him after the cutscene.
he hasn’t done this with any other characters except sans
@@Imadog4834-qr9icMettaton NEO has negative DEF in the files and tons of hp so when you hit him, it deals an ungodly amount of damage to show how strong you've gotten.
@@madnes_1 yeah I’m saying 1 def 1 atk and 1 hp are natural stats for sans
@@Imadog4834-qr9ic I'm just saying that Toby has played with the stats for some occassions, not just Sans.
@@madnes_1 yes but he never messed with monsters HP only their def
He spent all his points on dodging
JESUS CHRIST 1K LIKES?!?!
No, he spent all his points on infinite joke books and physics books
@@sandtheundermanI think you mean you spent it
He spent most of it on mobility and intelligence and thats it
Nah he spent it on being able to defy game mechanics, das why he can dodge, attack from the battle screen, and keep his turn going forever.
And it works better than having hp defense or attack
Also you could say he invested in skill since he has the most difficult to avoid attacks and has the retribution hp burn ability
Or maybe that all comes with psychic power and he just invested in that instead
I also heard about people saying that because you deal 9,999,999 damage to him, he has 9,999,999 HP.
Lol, who would think that bro
people think that because off-guard one-shot hits do the exact amount of hp the monster has (plus one), and sans takes 999 million damage when hit off-guard
@@destdehatHe wasnt off guard. He died in one hit because of bloodlust and hatred of frisk.
@@destdehat Except that it's not true at all? Toriel take something like 40k damage in geno, when she only have 480hp or something.
@@sheogorath6834 i'm not saying it's true, people just think that because it happens to normal monsters
@@ctaplliekjiacchuk6478he sure was cuz he didn't expect a second hit in 1 turn
Sans: *Gets a papercut* 🪦
There is a theory that because he sleeps all day his health is ABOVE the default health. So he could have more than one hp but have a default of one hp.
I like this theory
This only works in the snowdin inn and in the MTT resort and Sans doesn't even sleep that much anyways.
@@sheogorath6834proof he doesn’t sleep much?
@@Sandstheskeleton Where your proof that he sleep that much to begin with?
@@sheogorath6834Undyne dialogue, she talks about Sans, I don't remember but she says something about sans ALWAYS sleeping ON THE JOB.
Toby has outright states Game Files aren't canon. But at the same time Sanses entire gag is that everything is 1
It just feels impossible for him to be weaker than a wimsum tho
@@michaelwrightracugno5216
Cause people literally made that up.
@@michaelwrightracugno5216 All of his stats are a joke on purpose, why would sense come into it?
@@michaelwrightracugno5216 not really. He's the "weakest enemy" after all
Game files are kinda cannon, but HP of creatures arent just everytime 100% full. It can go 0% or even negative, or go straight to 9999%...
I think Sans' max HP is 1, but considering you can restore health above your max HP in the game, he might have more than his max considering he sleeps A LOT.
Yeah the Fact is you can grow your mã HP just by “SLEEP” =))
He not only sleeps a lot he also uses items a lot. He drinks Ketchup, which the player is never able to do. Drinking Ketchup could overheal sans by a lot
@@JustmeKarma Well he can't grow his max, but he can gain more HP past his max without affecting it. Like he could still have 120 HP while still having a 1 HP max.
That only works in the snowdin inn and in MTT resort. Also, he doesn't even sleep that much anyways.
But that only happens in the in
To everyone saying that it's to script a one shot kill, that's not it. Whenever a one shot is scripted to happen like with Mettaton Neo, the defense is changed to be negative. HP is always consistent.
That's weird, my memory may be jolted but I thought that I saw somewhere that bosses line Toriel or Papyrus in the genocide run only had 1 HP
@@valora9416 They don't. They just have negative defense.
Toby fox has said that the script isn't canon so it doesn't matter. With 1 defense, he will get one shotted nonetheless
@@FreqZYa lot of regular enemies have 0 or even negative def I’m pretty sure so 1def does not mean he is one shot
So basically,
"Does sans canonicly have 1 hp?" Probably not.
"Does sans have 1 hp in terms of the game code?"
Ye.
What else could you base his HP off of 💀plus theres characters like Gaster having a stat in the code but not ingame anyways, so I think that unless stated otherwise the stats in the code are canon.
@@lastcorridorsans Yes, that does make sense. But sans does get hit by flowey's vine in true pacifist. That must of done some sort of damage right?
@@SupremeBlade101 it didn’t show the damage counter for any of the monsters, so I doubt it. And its not like theres any physical injuries that you can see on the monsters anyway
@@lastcorridorsans The damage counter isn't aways needs to be present for a monster to be taking damage. For example killing Sans, Asgore and Flowey in geno, Undyne jumping of the bridge to save monster kid and the amalgamates (mainly snowdrops mom) just to name a few.
@@SupremeBlade101 Sans has a damage counter in genocide, and for Asgore I don’t think the damage counter shows because of how Flowey is a monster or has no confirmed base stats. Same reason why he doesn’t have a damage counter in Genocide, he’s soulless and not a ghost. Its like attacking a wall and expecting a damage counter to appear. Thats why he doesn’t have a set hp for when he ‘dusts away’, because he cant. Also just saying, the Undyne one isn’t relevant as it wasn’t during a battle.
Maybe it's because Sans has a DODGE ability, unlike other characters that stand still and take the hit. He only got hit since the heart was on the FIGHT button, and pressing Z moves the next set of dialogue. Preventing him from dodging at that moment.
Actually sans does a lot of sleeping and in Undertale resting allows you to go above your max HP. This is why he wouldn't die if he were to stub his toe.
Sam’s is the equivalent of a glass cannon.
Very powerful but if somebody as so much touches him, he crumples on the floor dead
more like fading into dust instantly
Ah yes, my favorite Undertale character, Sam's.
I mean, it might not be canon. Lots of the geno fights have their stats altered to make them 1-shot, but have different actual stats. Because sans has no pacifist/neutral fight, we wouldn’t technically be able to know for sure.
You do have to consider, Mettaton NEO has a very large amount of HP, which can be considered canon, and it was made like that to show that he is very powerful health wise.
The only thing for that fight is he has negative defense.
scripted 1 shots never alter hp. Only defense. He isn’t called the easiest enemy for no reason.
I once had a theory, that says that Sans actually in the canon, he should have 11HP, this is because when Frisk Sleeps at the snowdin hotel, they do have 10HP more than his Maximum HP, so, Nothing Stops Sans From Having 11/01 HP, since he is a slacker and loves to sleep
Counterpoint: Mettaton neo, there is no realistic way that Mettaton neo only has on HP being either an upgrade to EX yet they also have 1 HP in the game code to make sure the player can kill them.
I don't think that mettaton NEO's defence is actually -whatever big number it was on the game files
Edit: I was just making a fucking joke. I would have done more research if I wasn't 😭
I wasn't expecting for the comments to get this crazy 💀
It s -28800 or something
-40k o believe.
oh my god. Please.
HP is always accurate. Defence is not.
This is shown IN THE METTATON NEO FIGHT.
BECAUSE TOBY GAVE HIM 30000 HP?
What is that fake too?
@@crazygamingoscar7325 shall we talk about how much exp sans gives....0....how much exp is needed to level up from 19-20...50k.... he gives 50k exp....he has to have more HP then 1
@@errornekochara Why... would the health and exp be correlated?
I'm pretty sure they're not previously correlated.
For example: Temmie grants 50 exp with 5 hp and -20 df.
Pyrope meanwhile has 110 Hp and gives only 80 exp.
Theres no correlation between HP and exp.
Its about how violent you need to be.
*Whimsum uses butterfly circle*
Sans: mf I'm not dodging Allat 😭😭😭
The fact that on sans it says “the easiest enemy”
technically ice is easier but on geno you wouldn't be acting so he would still be the easiest
Literally a joke by Toby to troll you.
@@idk-cj8mnit’s a half joke. You remove all of sans karma and ability to bypass s… boom. The easiest enemy.
sans is honestly really easy once you learn the patterns
The ultimate variation of the GLASS CANNON!
Why spend points if HP+ when you can use everything is attack? If they don't hit you, why even bother?
Head canon:
Sans has brittle bone disease
Squishy bones
@@breadloaf1840 squish squish
osteoporosis?????
I was scared for a moment he didn't-
Love your content, Mystic!!!! :)
Wait what is the SECOND weakest enemy?
Sans. Jerry is Weaker than Sans.
@@ryanthecringeanimator9541and Jerry is stronger than ice cube
@@user-1-2946jeff except you can actually die on Ice Cube. You can't die on Jerry.
@@user-1-2946jeff
Ice Cube has an attack when it comes to multi-monster encounters, Jerry, ln the other hands, doesn’t have any attack no matter what.
Sure, maybe Jerry is better in defense (obviously.) but not in attacks.
What about monster kid?
Sans isn't actually a threat. I know that's hard for the fandom to hear, but if you don't play the actual "fight mini game" that everyone does in the Underground, you can literally punch him and kill him. It's canon that the "FIGHT" is voluntary, and you could just kill someone without playing.
you see, he doesnt show his hp in game because he is too lasy to do so
To be fair, whilst it is possible (and maybe likely considering his stats) those coded stats are NOT canon, I mean look at NEO's [high] defense lol!
The def isnt consistent in files, it changes
But what doesnt change is the HP
Contrary to popular belief, hp in the code and hp in the game are exactly the same.
Undyne really has 1500hp for example.
@@sheogorath6834 never looked in the games files myself, so wouldn't know. But tbf there are many situations in game where sans should have died, like seriously if he steps on a spiky twig he should really die, but he doesnt so idk. And just because health is consistent it doesn't necessarliy mean sans' would be the same?
I'm not trying to be like people saying he definitely doesnt have 1 hp, I do consider both sides, and it' doesn't make a whole lot of sense
@@jammydodgersvideotin2245 "But tbf there are many situations in game where sans should have died" Like when...?
"like seriously if he steps on a spiky twig he should really die" We don't know how many damage this would deal (if this even deal damage) so idk what you're trying to prove.
"And just because health is consistent it doesn't necessarliy mean sans' would be the same?" Like you said, health is consistent with everyone else. So tell me, why would that be any different with Sans for no reasons...?
ah yes, "ins't canon", my favourite phrase
lol i just noticed
FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS, I WAS THINKING THAT FOR A LONG TIME!
But I think he doesn't have 1 hp since in game stats ARE NOT CANON (example: asgore attack, mettaton neo defense)
The only reason people thinks he has more health because... uh... yeah idk they just do
Because they think he's cool. And because people make mods that are completely centered about him and him only. People always treat him as the strongest character despite the only thing great about him is the Gaster Blasters and his dodging mechanic, whilst other characters have obviously more and interesting gimmicks like Mettaton's ratings, Mettaton's essay question, Asgore destroying the Mercy button, Asriel's blaster attack, Asriel's Thunder attacks, Asriel's Star attacks and more
@@Hanzlolz-yy9ctI mean ngl mettaton has the best gimmick being the essay questions, ratings, and yellow soul. But other characters rlly don’t have many interesting gimmicks like sans does. Asgore is just a fight where you can’t spare him until the end. Asriels got cool attack patternss but that’s pretty much it. I mean after all,sans throws
Your soul around like a tennis ball, teleports you into attacks, can INFINITELY extend his turn, and overall has the most advanced attack patterns in the game. The only thing I can see coming close is omega flowey with his save/load, unique design, soul mechanics, etc.
@@fictey I forgot to mention about Undyne can endure DETERMINATION in Genocide Route which gives us Undyne the Undying. There are also characters that have their own gimmicks like Woshua's wash (?) mechanic, etc. Also, ease up on Asgore. He literally broke up with his wife and lost his children
@@Hanzlolz-yy9ct undynes geno fight is the most BADASS in the game Frfr. Also I’m not trying to downplay asgore I’m just saying he did not have crazy gimmicks like most characters. THE SHOCK YOU GET WHEN YOU SEE HIM BREAK THE BUTTON FOR THE FIRST TIME IS CRAZY
irs cause in canon sleeping can bring your hp up/over your limit, so there is some basis ig since sans does sleep a lot
I'm on the not 1HP side but I don't believe that Flowey's vines are an attack. He clearly intended to use it purely to capture and not to kill so it probably didn't do any damage.
The reason why he was shocked when we finally land hit on him is because we hit THAT hard, that we depleted all of his bonus HP from sleeping
@@ctaplliekjiacchuk6478 It's because he didn't expect the attack to attack a 2nd time in one turn.
Flowey’s vines are an attack, he uses it during the Omega Flowey fight and not only before it.
True
@@ctaplliekjiacchuk6478 Dumb theory lol
Sans:heh il just tp away
Dustale:cant kill me if i kill them first
Outertale:il just fly awayyy
Dancetale:il dance away
"Sans haves more HP🤓" HAHA HELL NAH. Fandom sometimes can go crazy..
People keep saying "no you're just really strong at the end of Geno" ...so you guys completely ignored what LV and EXP mean, huh? You're not stronger at all. You don't hurt the monsters more because you've buffed up, you hurt them more, and get hurt by them less, because monsters are harmed more by murderous intent than actual strength, and because you've emotionally distanced yourself so much that their "attacks" (which are magic, and therefore likely equally affected by emotions) don't hurt as much; do people read what the game says??
... You realize you aren't changing anything about the argument at hand, right? You're arguing unrelated semantics. From the player/human's perspective, we're getting stronger. Even Noelle in Deltarune says she's getting stronger, which technically isn't true.
Who cares? Who _really_ cares?
Not really
You're missing the part where your soul gets stronger, as stated by Flowey at the beginning of the game
So you technically DO get stronger, but not by much
It doesn't give you more DT, it just strengthens what you already have by making you numb in emotions and straightforward in actions
This invalidates Dusttale, which is why fangirls don't accept it
So you're stronger...
@@narrativeless404 that may be true but it's a widely beloved fan work not because it needed to fit neatly into canon, but rather because it's an interesting concept that the community has executed well in enough instances to make enjoyable fan works. Obviously canon is much better because it sticks with his character better since he actually cares but that's only because the community ruined the concept very early on by misunderstanding it. If you couldn't tell, even despite its inherent lack of canonicity it's one of my favorite AUs simply because it shows the depths of Sans' resolve, willing to do something that he doesn't want to and actively regrets simply to try and prevent them from being endlessly murdered because he's the only one who can, he's the only one powerful enough and he's the only one who knows. I don't care if it doesn't fit neatly into canon, it'll still be one of my favorite AUs either way.
They dont
its one hp cause you never hit him in normal and toby made a way to be shoted in one hit
it means if he hadnt a fight with dodging, his hp could be more than 1
This makes sense, until you realize Gaster also has stats in the code.
666,666 HP
666,666 Atk
666,666 Def
Drops -666,666 exp and -666,666 gold
@@jacobblakely2224gaster is a different case
@@ius_0 Not really
Both have stats we only figure out in the files.
@@jacobblakely2224 gaster isnt.. normal
@@ius_0 Neither is Sans
I would be surprised if He managed to stand and talk after He got 9999 damage if He only had 1 HP, And I mean He Papyrus older brother so It won't make sense for Papyrus to have more HP than Him
Why not? Papyrus keeps training constantly and Sans just stands by
papyrus legitimately also kept standing and talked after being hit, just as a head instead of his whole body (but that’s an entirely different debate)
Sans's death is a bit strange compared to other monsters anyways we never see him turn to dust on screen and he seems to have blood on him which the fandom headcanon is that its ketchup we just don't know sans is a mystery
@@Bengt2509Yeah Papyrus doesn't even know how to sleep while Sans takes naps
He carries a Ketchup Bottle with him in the Jacket @@primordiatree1014
Back during the peak of the Undertale fandom. I remember homie getting memed by the most basic of house accidents and bleeding out.
Someone needs to give him a gold bottle cap so he can hyper train
I love how canon and fanon have gotten so mixed up that people are debunking canon by accident
bruh him having 1 hp isnt even canon, like. unironically. toby fox literally said that code is not canon
@@-E-s-o All of the Geno bosses (except Sans) have negative defense to make sure they die instantly (or for inflated DMG in the Undyne fight). But these bosses have in game stats you can check and look at in game, so those are obviously the stats that are meant to be taken as canon, while the code stats are understood to be the way they are to make sure the game works.
But Sans' numbers aren't handled this way. He doesn't have negative defense like all the other Geno bosses. No, his in game stats and code stats are completely in line with each other, which is completely different from all the other bosses. The fact that his stats are handled so much differently than everyone else's makes it feel much more deliberate.
Checking Sans tells us that he has 1 attack and 1 defense, and that he's the easiest enemy. Him having 1 HP falls in line with that perfectly. It's good story telling too. You'vs made it through the entire game, reached the highest LV you possibly could, you have equipment that gives you 99 attack and 99 defense and have a whooping 92 HP, and the only thing standing between you and beating the game is the absolute WEAKEST enemy possible, with flat ones across the board. It's good shit! And it might just be me, but it doesn't hit the same if his HP is 5 or 20 or 100 or whatever.
And honestly? Just saying "Toby said the code isn't canon" is a bizarre argument to me. I can't recall if he actually said that or not, but assuming he did, so what? Sure, it makes sense to dismiss Undyne the Undying and Mettaton Neo having negative defense values in the code, but that doesn't mean all of the code stats are inaccurate. The code says that Asgore has 3500 HP, so does that mean have a different amount of health? No, of course not. That would be silly. If the code said Sans has 2 HP, would that suddenly make 1 HP Sans viable? The argument that because the code isn't canon, and the code says Sans has 1 HP, then Sans absolutely cannot have 1 HP is very, very silly to me.
Yes, the code shouldn't be taken at face value when determining what is or isn't canon, the Geno bosses are proof of that. But when we have no way to gadge Sans' HP in game, and the only frame of reference is the code stats, which are completely in line with his other stats, and has perfect narrative cohesion, it just, makes sense.
@@-E-s-oso youre telling me toby made sans have 1's across the board completely coincidentally? its stated in canon that he's the weakest enemy, that description should naturally include hit points
Insert the " Stats aren't the only thing I get thank you" dialogue in the TS! Underswap Sans fight
Funfact: youre wrong. In sans fight he is DESIGNED to be one shot. His health bar never shows up, so theres no reason for toby to bother govong him an accurate hp. If we're taking the ingame stats as canon, mettaton neo has negative 30k defence
I hate the fact where a frog can one shot a skeleton that has the power to control bones, summon blasters, teleport and changing gravity.
A frog can kill him with a lick
YET A FLOWER THAT HAS THE POWER OF SIX HUMAN MOTHAFREAKIN SOULS CAN'T KILL IT WITH A GIGANTIC DAMN VINE.....
Physics :]
And dodges
_he's a joke, it's his thing_
You're also ignoring the fact that frog would have to be either time-space-rendingly FAST to hit him in the first place, or clever enough to catch him off guard. Sans' physical body's frailty doesn't somehow make him less of a force to be reckoned with - he didn't survive this long on dumb luck
im just confused why it even mattered for that playing as sans video anyway considering that the point was to make it so you were one shot
so like in theory you could have had normal health but just have negative defense no matter the lv but that makes it way harder for the player to remember, plus there's an easier chance something could go wrong
also, why does this debate even matter in the first place for... any reason? im genuinely asking because for lore it doesn't matter since genocide is the ONE TIME you fight him and he goes down in one hit, and every other time you fight him is in fanon so people could make him have 1 hp if they wanted, which again, makes it not matter really
and usually, those sans fights are ALSO in genocide which would make sense for you to oneshot him most times anyway, except in situations like dusttale, where he distances himself as well in order to grow stronger, which then makes the creator boost his health, defense, and damage which makes the canon numbers legitimately not matter
we can't rely on code, and the game certainly never tells us nor can we figure it out any other way unless toby just decides to end the debate by saying "hey guys sans hp max value is actually _____" so im kinda confused why people are up in arms about this whole debate anyways
the stats in the game files are likely not canon, since the in-game check stats are different from the actual stats.
however, sans is the only enemy to not have a health bar in the menu or after attacking…
"Dont get enemy know anything about you"
He also sleeps all day to raise his HP above his max HP and his actual HP is well over 99999
In fighting games based of undertale, sans has 1 hp yet 3500 stamina, and the stamina is used up by dodging, when he has no stamina left you can deal damage to him.
huh, wonder why so many people care about how much hp i have
how was the fall
@@ernestitorant_yt not so bad, actually, i mean i don't even know if i can feel pai- .....wait, you want me to ask you something about balls.... don't you.
yeah seriously why do they need to know our hp
@@HUGEUndertalefan BAD TOM
Omg it's Sans
I used to believe he had 20 HP.
Well, it's on the code so, can't argue with that
You very much can.
Game files aren't canon.
yes they are??? they give you actual stats of everything. @@idk-cj8mn
@@idk-cj8mngame files are infact canon but okay man
@@idk-cj8mnThat's not necessarily true.
@@yxngmatt6047 sometimes it's not canon
Mettaton Neo have 9 Defense
But I'm the files it's NEGATIVE
He has 1hp in the files because you only fight him in the genocide route where you’re powered up by Chara
Nah you are just too strong chara comes in the end
There is no power up of Chara
chara doesnt even appear at all execpt for the end
Gaster meanwhile at the bottom:
666666 HP
66666 ATTACK
66666 DEFENSE
-66666 XP REWARD
sans stubs his toe:
sans: “so you wanna challenge me huh?”
“MISS”
papyrus:” how did you miss the steps???”
sans:” I stubbed my toe”
If sans had 1 hp he would probably be dead
I mean, a fake punch did 1 damage to undyne...
But sans is fricking smart. I mean yeah sure dodgeing isn’t that impressive… but being able to teleport and have vast knowledge of quantum physics? I think sans could easily avoid injuries.
For that point every monster could die for one hit ( specially with the royal knife ) plus in the geno descriptions changes, so i belive that he had more hp , but for that point we belive that he had 1hp cuz he keps dogging, also it could be sans itself playing with our mind to make his batle even worse
Bro, if he has some tea, that’s too hot and he drinks it without cooling it down he’s dead
Glyde: defense- very high, also his defense- -20
1HP
999 agility
Sans: *gets a paper cut*
Also sans: *DIES*
Don’t worry he wears gloves for a reason
He... he doesnt have skin. How would he get a papercut
Yeah but sans hides his Hitbox in some drawer until judgement time.
The whole “Code says this” isnt by any stretch of the word an end all be all, as most main characters (most notably mettaton neo) have incorrect stats for the check compared to the actual stats used, plus sans having 1 hp would mean he’d die from a paper cut or stubbing his toe, i find it pretty unlikely.
minor note, a friend of mine once posed the theory sans has 11 HP, keeping with the “1” theme of his stats while not making him more frail than a geriatric grandma, to the point he’d die of stubbing his toe
Monsters never have been shown to lose HP outside of battle. And sans has 1 def stubbing his toe is gonna leave him at 1 hp even if he doesn’t have exactly 1
Well, sleeping does put your hp above max, so your friend may be somewhat right
@@googlecore510 that’s only for humans
paper cuts or stubbing toe isn't something a SKELETON can experience much less normal monsters since those would more than likely not even do 1 dmg
@@gamercentral2417 there’s nothing that says it just for humans, I’m pretty sure the inn keeper mentions it, so if she knows about it then it most likely would happen to monsters too
Yo MysticSlime if this is the case there is one thing i would like you to explain: when you finally hit sans in the fight if he supposedly has 1 hp then why doesnt he immediately die or anything upon the 9999999999 damage attack and instead proceed to bleed out? If anything when he gets hit he should immediately die without any dust even to scatter either that overload of damage
Because Sans is from Deltarune
Because sans has.... blood? It could be the reason he doesnt instally dust away
Also remember, toriel gets dealt alot of dmg and doesnt instally die too
Because he's a boss. None of the boss dies instantly and most of them have a monologue before they dies.
That means nothing lore-wise, that's just a game thing.
@@sheogorath6834 yep but uh, maybe some more interesting and justified reason?
@@ctaplliekjiacchuk6478 There litterally nothing in-game that justify the boss not dying instantly. (Well, except maybe for Asgore and Toriel, since their souls are a bit stronger than others monsters)
Sans when he get paper cut 💀
So basically if he fumbles a American football and it lands on his foot is he cooked?
It doesn't matter and unless we see him fight in DR we will never know.
The thing is game file stats aren't always exactly true, like how NEO in the game files has like negative 4 hundred thousand defense or something, while if you check it is a perfectly normal number
Sans could have just had 1 hp for reasons of him not surviving a hit, but its hard to know for sure
@@Dragonfire-ir5lnif it was for that reason he what have negative hp like mettaton.
Contrary to popular belief, hp in the code and hp in the game are exactly the same.
Undyne really has 1500hp for example.
Also there something and that mettaton neo has so much negative defense to make sure he die in one hit its because of his massive hp that he need so much negative df to be sure he die in one hit from everything because if he didn't had negative defense the fight would be long so it cant be use for the argument that stats in the code cant be used
@@sheogorath6834
But... you never can see how much hp they have via Check
Wdym
If he forgets his phone at max brightness and opens it at night before he sleeps he'll die
Don’t worry guys he has slippers on so he can’t stub his toe also his jacket keeps him from taking that much damage so like he’d probably lose like 0.5 HP and he can’t get a paper cut because he has mittens so…
Sans: why do u need hp when u can dodge?
The game files do say that Sans has 1 HP, but they also say that Mettaton NEO has negative DF. (He actually has decent DF, but in the files he has a negative amount to show how OP Frisk is by now.)
Yeah, MT Neo has negative defense to guarantee a one shot. So does Toriel, and so does Papyrus. You know what they don't have? Lower than usual hp. HP is always consistent between actual fights and the files. HP is never changed to script a one shot. Only defense is. Why would Sans be the only monster to have both his HP and Defense changed for a one shot?
Contrary to popular belief, hp in the code and hp in the game are exactly the same.
Undyne really has 1500hp for example.
Also Mettaton NEO doesn't have "decent" defense, he only have 9, which is lower than Napstablook.
@@kozolith2121 You know how Toby Fox is
Not disagreeing with you, but using in game stats doesnt mean much, unless you're also willing to argue Asriel only has 8 Attack and that Glyde is stronger than him
I am willing to argue that bc asriel could one shot you if they wanted but they are purposely holding back to make their attack stat 8.
@@banana_Asriel asriel isn't holding back at all, lol. It's for game balance purpose
@@sptflcrw8583 correct me if I'm wrong doesn't he say himself he is holding back
@banana_Asriel in Phase 1. In Phase 2 he says the exact opposite, yet he still only has 8 ATK
Contrary to popular belief, hp in the code and in the game are exactly the same.
Undyne really has 1500hp for example.
Sans has small health so he learned strong attacks to compensate
This is why the overworld targets sans
That doesn’t mean anything. That’s like saying neo is incredibly weak when it really isn’t and you’re just really strong at that point. Canonically it has high defense, but in the code it does not.
NEO doesn't have stupidly low amount of HP in files tho, lol
It's only stats that are weird
@@narrativeless404
What kind of logic is this?
Sans only has stupidly low hp in the game files so you can one-shot him.
Same purpose, just done differently.
@@idk-cj8mn Nope
MTT NEO has 30k HP, and Sans has 1
MMT NEO gets varying amount of damage
Sans always gets the same ridiculous number, because it's scripted (and his file stats aren't even used by code)
Sans is described by Chara as "The weakest enemy", and every check description has been more or less accurate
Just accept your defeat already, *fangirl*
Everyone in the comments trying so hard to say that sans doesn't have 1hp.
It's weird to say the files aren't canon in a game made by the same creator who HID DIALOGUE in the game files. Besides, even if they aren't canon, that doesn't mean they're not right. It's more of a stretch to say he doesn't have 1hp with no evidence than it is to say he does have 1 hp with his actual stats displayed for everyone to see in the game files.
And because I see everyone mentioning it
*Flowey doesn't damage the monsters with his vines. He intends on stealing their souls and wouldn't want to shatter them. You also don't see any damage numbers when he grabs them.
Also we only see Frisk gain 10 hp after sleeping, that doesn't necessarily mean it applies to monsters too. Besides, you can only get it to go 10 hp above the maximum if I remember correctly so even if it did work, that would mean Sans still only has 11 hp. (Also, you can sleep at multiple points in the game like in Toriel's house and the True Lab, but only when you sleep at the Inn do you get the boost. So it's not just simply sleeping that applies this boost.)
Yeah flowey definitely held back to not risk a single soul since he needs them to gain the power equivalent to 7 human souls (every monster soul=1 human soul)
I also want to point out Mettaton's defense in the files. NEO is set to -4000 I believe, which is intentional. NEO is unfinished when you fight him in the geno route, which is why despite him supposedly having higher defense than everyone else we've fought he goes down in one hit. And no, it's not for programming reasons as you one shot every boss monster no matter what as they are most likely event triggers. Which is why the damage numbers that pop up don't change at all, no matter your stats. (And no, that doesn't mean it's they're actual max HP as you can fight them in pacifist and see that their HP is much lower than the damage you deal in geno).
You can also get a boost of hp in the Hotel
@@Hanzlolz-yy9ct oh that's right. I forgot you could sleep there tbh.
That, honestly just raised a lot of questions I didn't have before.
I think that intentional secrets and actual technical stats should be separated actually. like Gaster could be considered lore but with Sans, Toby probably just mashed the 1 button.
It's meant to drive home the fact that A, he's the "easiest enemy in the game" because all you have to do is hit him once. And B, he's the _laziest_ character in the game.
It's only hard to kill him because he can dodge and you have to literally wait him out and outsmart him to find a way to actually kill him.
the weakest enemy...
The vine that flowey made to capture them all right before he turned into Asriel has thorns on it surely sans had to be stung by atleast one of them dont you think that that would have dealt some sort of damage
Maybe, but do you really think that he have only 1 hp? In game files that he have max 1 hp, and in pacifist we can have only 20 hp. But did you know we could get 30 hp? We can sleep in inn and mtt to get extra 10 hp, and what sans doing when we running from undyne in hotland? Sleeping.
Plus he could sleep any time before, we can say that he really likes to sleep by looking on his bedroom. It means that he atleast can have 11
@@shadowdokpaynt5236his sleep buff is much better than frisk's, he supposed to survive player attack, but frisk was full of bloodlust and hatred, so it did 999999 damage in the end of day.
Are bunch of vines even enough to deal 1 dmg?
@@ius_0idk
Flowey didn't do any damage.
Like, Papyrus can do 0 damage with his attack. There no way that Flowey with 6 souls can't do the same.
Why are all the comments newest
Sleeping buff levels:
Level 4 Frisk 1 LV: 20 max HP = +10HP(2 minutes), +240HP(8 hours)
Level 80 Sans 0(or 1) LV: 1 max HP = +200HP(2 minutes) +4800HP(8 hours)
Level 1 Asgore ?LV: 10000 max HP = +0.02HP(2 minutes) +0.48HP(8 hours)
If you think that if somebody accidentally punches sans he would die you'll be wrong. See it has been proven many times that the only way to lose HP is when you are in a BATTLE. If frisk accidentally bumped pretty hard into somebody will he lose HP? I don't think so...
Nah coded stats arent canon he has 1 hp because from a gameplay perspective thats all he needs, theres no point in game where he would ever need to survive an attack (such as a neutral route fight) he only needs the 1 hp because iif it was set to 0 he would die before the battle starts
Like in metatons case which he has negative defence and even most fragile thing cant have negative defence
@@tamamtamam8646snowdrake without the cap:
But the method toby uses to make on shots is lowering the DEFENCE not HP
Litterally every "boss" are scripted to die in one hit in geno (except Undyne the Undying), yet Sans is the only one who have 1hp.
It that was only because of that, Toby would have just gived him negative defense like everyone else.
@sheogorath6834 yes but sans is ONLY fought in geno the other bosses can be fought outside of geno and other than mettaton neo all the other bosses can survive multiple hit in neutral
Fair enough, but the thing is, that the actual stats in the game' code don't always accurately reflect the character's capabilities and limits in universe like Undyne the undying receives damage going into the thousands in her fight to convey how powerful you are when normally the player does a few hundred at most against normal enemies and Mettaton NEO's defence is -40,000 if I remember right but that is done to ensure that Frisk will one shot him to show how powerful the geno route makes you become rather than it being canon that a slight gust of wind could severely injure him. The same could apply to Sans since the player is supposed to one-shot him as you can only fight him when you are on the peak of maxing out your LV in the geno route.
ok but why would it lie about sans’ hp if he’s gonna die in one shot anyways
The game can control a character's defense internally (separate from the actual stats) this is especially noticeable when muffet gets massively damaged compared to neutral/pacifist, same for toriel, etc, toby could have just as well given mettaton 99 defense and manually control your damage output
Also, sans is even more of an anomaly, as the hit you deal to him isn't even actually any sort of damage for the code's purposes, it's all treated as a cutscene (especially easy to know since it's scripted damage, pure 9s), reason why the kill counter doesn't increase despite his death (toby forgot to manually raise the count by 1 after the battle, regular death code doesn't play out)
He could have given sans 99999999 HP for all he cared, since it'd behave the same exact way it did
His 1 HP simply means he has 1 HP
Scrolling down in the comments and seeing all the Mettaton NEO arguement spam 2 months later is wild, Guys it was not great of a point.
The stats in the game files mean nothing for Sans' HP, remember Mettaton NEO? Supposed to be one of the strongest enemies in canon lore, gets one shotted, the reason out of game lore? His defense is like -40K in the game files, the same Logic could apply to Sans, Mettaton NEO has this defense so that Toby is SURE we One Shot Mettaton NEO, it could be the same thing for Sans.
Nope. When a one shot is scripted in game the defense is changed to the negatives. Just like you mentioned with Mettaton Neo. This is also true for genocide Papyrus, Toriel, and literally every other one shot. HP is never changed to script a one shot and the hp in the files is accurate to every single other character.
@@kozolith2121 yeah, but what if it's just Toby being lazy and since (I'm pretty sure) all of Sans' stats are 1 just pressing one everytime
That's possible but it's not like Toby is a particularly lazy game dev. It just doesn't make sense for him to change Sans' hp when he never changes the hp for any other character.
Contrary to popular belief, HP in the code and in the game are exactly the same.
Undyne has really 1500hp for example.
Also, litterally every "boss" (except Undyne the Undying) is scripted to die in one-hit in genocide, yet Sans is the only one of them who have 1hp in code.
@@sheogorath6834 Because you don't even fight Sans at all in any other route besides the no mercy one. Why would Toby give him any other HP stat when he just dodges every attack anyway?
But how does Sans only having one HP make sense if he got squished by the vine in pacifist by flowey? He would have dusted right there...
the vine didnt deal damage, it just stuns people
flowey doesnt want to kill them, he wants their souls