First i Take out all The personals item, vacuuming, Cleaning The headline, Cleaning The back seats and The floor, after that i have a special Machine witch dries 99.99% The steats in 25-30 min, meanwhile i Clean The front sears and The floor in front and when i finish the front seats and floor The back seats are drie, i put The Machine to drie The front seats and i Clean The Dashboard and The rest of The plastics and The Doors and trunk when i m done The seats are drie, i aply The dressing and it s done in about 3-3,5h But if It s verry verry dirty Around 4-4,5h, now i work alone (sry for my Bad english, hope you understand my Poor language skills)
Great video... I prefer to clean first the doors, dash glass etc before seats because sometimes there're some splash from it to the seats, even sweat from working...
I’m a hobby detailer and occasionally get a paid customer as the result of me doing my own car. Your channel and videos have been very helpful in improving my results. I am very grateful.
Interior only takes me a long time at 4-6+ hours. I just started 2 months ago. Planning to get an air compressor and Tornador Max to hopefully cut off time.
Once u start working on multiple cars, u will have an idea of wut works for u and wut doesn't so u can cut down on time. I do it myself so it's best to set a time for how long u believe u will take and even if u go over it, ur practicing and will only get better. Keep rockin!
@@godalmightyismysavior197 what steles do you take for interiors ? Like your work flow is u had to put them in order ? Because I’m trying to cut my process down some would apprecite your tips
@@kyreegary3620 Let the machines do the work, for example the doors, may need to steam (if available) the holders (cup holder, side holder, etc), spray apc or your general interior cleaner, spray the doors except not in electrical components (for example speakers), drill brush it, use a detail brush for the holders and hard to reach places and wipe. You might notice a stain, so go through your process to get rid of it; steam, apc, drill brush, wipe and keep going until it's gone or until you realise it wont go, dont eat into the material, know your limits. Some interiors will be worse and take longer than others and it depends on what you want your result to be, which will indicate how long it'll take.
if you are 1 person, and an interior detail takes you 1-3 hours, you are doing something wrong or you are half assing it. A full interior detail, cleaning all the crannies and under the seats and not skipping steps, it should take you up to a day. Anyone who says they are 1 person and can do a full detail in 2-3 hours, is lying through their teeth. You cannot rush a good quality job.
A lot of times people do what I call an 'express detail'. Basically that 2-3 hour max detail but not as picky. It's possible to pump out a decent detail in that time but I definitely wouldn't charge top dollar for it. If you're trying to hustle it's good for you and the customer that wants their car back.
When i do a full interior detail without the headliner and without removing seats, it takes me a whole day. From early morning to the evening. 6-8hrs I'd say of clean working time when I'm hitting every crack and crevice in the car (if it's that dirty). Removing seats and cleaning headliner is lile 1-2hrs plus. A detailed vacuum is like 0.30-1hr most of the time. If it's super dirty, it takes 1.5-2 hrs just to vacuum it properly 😅 Vacuum, textile cleaning and extraction takes a few hours (3-4hrs) When focused on the textile parts. I usually dry the car with it's own ventilation.
Way to always stay in your groove fam. Been watching you for the longest (couple of years 🤗), and you never steered me wrong. Your tips actually landed me a contract for a used car dealership first shot and first try in the detailing business. Unfortunately I haven't been doing it since the pandemic. But your videos are very informative and soothing. Thank you for doing your thing and using your gift in life.
Will you explain the way y’all cleaned the headliner. I try to stay away from them for the most part other that spot cleaning. That looked to definitely get the job done.
When i detail i take a microfiber cloth wrapped around my steamer and spray a diluted 10:1 APC and lightly steam while not letting the steam sit in one place for too long and rub it in with a microfiber cloth!
i am a local detailer as well i run the same basic processes you clean/condition leather etc. i just do not extract. what are you charging for this process with and without extraction because surely not everyone is getting an extraction service and it is a much more extensive service notably. i charge 125-175 for this service without extraction.
That’s a good price point. I would look up how to make an extractor from your vacuum and be able to get that hundred dollar upsell on the interior details 👍 I put mine together for 300 including buying a new rigid vacuum and mytee sprayer head.
My process is really similar to yours. After removing client's items from the vehicle, I go immediatelly to door jambs. I use strong apc (Super clean at 4:1) and spray down the entire door jamb, agitate with a brush then pressure wash off using a 25 degree (green) nozzle. I start with that because sometimes water will bounce on something and end up in the vehicle, so I want to do it first so I don't have to work ever what I have already done. I end the detail with a waxing of the door jambs using a microfiber towel and a pain sealant. That gives the final clean and protects at the same time. Also I don't use a tornador because I am mobile and don't carry a compressor in the van.
I love this video! Thank you! I was wondering, what light do you use on the interior of the car? I always have a hard time seeing anything when cleaning in my garage.
Great video!! Really admire you! Always start to the point and encouraging with content that is valuable! I just wrapped up a filthy one this weekend and it took me 6.5 hours solo including the headliner!
Fire video .. just started my own detail business all by myself and I always feel like I take to long but I feel like I get better and better with each detail I’m shooting for the long run I invested thousands so I’m determined to to make it work out
Well for one, you need an air compressor. And if you're mobile, that means you need space for it, which also means you'll need a generator, which means... like 3 other steps to really get it to work smoothly haha
I started a “weekend detailing” side gig in March snd man i do everything yall do….same steps to…i just hate try to do the back first and then work on the front…whenever i get in the car i always seem to leave hairs or dumb shit so always revacuuming just like yall do! i wish I had your equipment though! i just use a hoover clean slate shampooer/extractor, super clean and a drill brush. i have a rubber brush to get the hairs. It typically takes me 3-3.5 hours on a decently dirty truck…so prolly about 3 at most on something like this. wish I had your tools though for sure! id prolly be right around 2.5 hours as well….but i guarantee your prolly charging more than me. all this for a truck like that is about $20 an hour. so i typically would make $60ish. anu tips on rubber floor mats? i have no power washer (no hook up outside) so i always end up soaking them in a tub and then cleaning them with some Adams stuff thats for rubber…sometimes its like they look clean then once they drive the dirt comes back
Add some dressing to them once there cleaned. Just make sure to work the dressing in good and don't use a dressing that's slick. I use a detail brush to apply the dressing in all the groves then wipe clean with a towel.
@@plasma044 Basically you don't want to apply any cleaners directly into the headliner because it might loosen the headliner glue and it could become baggy, what most people do is first apply a cleaner on a microfibre and carefully clean the headliner
We do when needed but a lot of what we would steam gets handled by the cleaning gun! As far as the cloth, no, not really. Our extractors are heated and we make the water even warmer.
I'm always gun-shy about putting too much fluid into the headliner...seen too many saggy ones in my times so I just do a damp rage with rinseless wash and that's always served me well. Who the heck is touching those things anyway?!
You can still get one and have clients drop off the vehicle at your house if you have a garage. It'll save you in gas and time from driving one place to the next
@@rezzo_6fn659 not a bad idea it’s just I don’t live in a good area for detailing. It’s on the edge of a really rural area so the roads are always so dusty and dirty that I don’t like getting drop offs much. I’d rather just go to the customer. I’m looking for shop space in a good area which will solve most of my problems, but that’s becoming more of a challenge than I thought!
@@eyetvideos467 oh yea I believe it. I remember looking for one. I was gonna share a spot with a wrap shop but I didn’t like the prices he was offering. Love doing it out of my garage plus my older kids get to help and learn. You’ll get there brother. Keep grinding
Do you not apply carpet cleaner and extractor vac etc. on the carpet ever? This might be why my details take so long to complete. Also, great video, very insightful!
Wondering what people are charging for their cleaning like is done in this video. Thanks, just trying to figure out if this is a viable business in retirement. Enjoy detailing our personal cars and these video's are super helpful.
Oscar I Armando de Chicago IL empese El negocio de detailing ase 2 meses solo e tenidi 6 clients es normal para empesar o me faltara halgo mas estamos en las redes social es tambien. Gracias por Tus ensenansas.
I've noticed on older cars and even some newer cars that using even the white drill brush attachment it can effect the stitching in the seats. Now that's being as gentle as possible around the stitching. Have you ever had this issue.
Only on brush bristles that are new/too firm. Try taking it and wearing down/softening the bristles on something like firm carpet/turf material etc. Make them more loose and less firm, but they'll still be firm enough to get the job done.
Soft drill brush to agitate & microfiber to wipe clean. You can use your shop vac to extract water as well as long as you have the correct filter. You don’t need to whole conversion kit to make it an extractor. It’s made to suck up water regardless. You just have to make sure you bring the soil to the surface of the fabric
@@dm7744 but the shopvac doesnt suck that much if its just the cleaner on the surface Like theres not enough water to extract that dirt, will it work if i just spray water with a bottle and then use wet vac ?
Your suppose to do the headliner first and work your way down, why in the world would you drill out a head liner and have everything fall down onto what you just cleaned. Really no argument here this process is completely wrong
Hey says in his videos that he uses super clean on cloth seats, and in this video he used a different cleaner and he did not say what it is!!! Are these youtubers playing us??? I am new to detailing and it is confusing me
Keep watching more videos like pan the organizer, or Josh detailer tbey have ton of videos with different techniques and products. How is your business going? ??
Use super clean for everything that needs cleaning plastics and carpet leather wheels and tires engine bay just dilute it accordingly. No need to use specific products for every single part of the car. If a TH-camr is pushing specific products while cleaning specific parts of the car he’s sponsored
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What do you do differently in your process? Check the links for the tools and products we use 🙌🏽
First i Take out all The personals item, vacuuming, Cleaning The headline, Cleaning The back seats and The floor, after that i have a special Machine witch dries 99.99% The steats in 25-30 min, meanwhile i Clean The front sears and The floor in front and when i finish the front seats and floor The back seats are drie, i put The Machine to drie The front seats and i Clean The Dashboard and The rest of The plastics and The Doors and trunk when i m done The seats are drie, i aply The dressing and it s done in about 3-3,5h But if It s verry verry dirty Around 4-4,5h, now i work alone (sry for my Bad english, hope you understand my Poor language skills)
@@georgiucarpathians4016 hey what machine for drying?
Time i take my self 8 hrs to do an interior
Great video... I prefer to clean first the doors, dash glass etc before seats because sometimes there're some splash from it to the seats, even sweat from working...
I’m a hobby detailer and occasionally get a paid customer as the result of me doing my own car. Your channel and videos have been very helpful in improving my results. I am very grateful.
Interior only takes me a long time at 4-6+ hours. I just started 2 months ago. Planning to get an air compressor and Tornador Max to hopefully cut off time.
Take in mind he has multiple people touching a vehicle at a time.
Once u start working on multiple cars, u will have an idea of wut works for u and wut doesn't so u can cut down on time. I do it myself so it's best to set a time for how long u believe u will take and even if u go over it, ur practicing and will only get better. Keep rockin!
I’m a fat blob and it doesn’t take me 2 hours. You need to work on your process top to bottom
@@godalmightyismysavior197 what steles do you take for interiors ? Like your work flow is u had to put them in order ? Because I’m trying to cut my process down some would apprecite your tips
@@kyreegary3620 Let the machines do the work, for example the doors, may need to steam (if available) the holders (cup holder, side holder, etc), spray apc or your general interior cleaner, spray the doors except not in electrical components (for example speakers), drill brush it, use a detail brush for the holders and hard to reach places and wipe. You might notice a stain, so go through your process to get rid of it; steam, apc, drill brush, wipe and keep going until it's gone or until you realise it wont go, dont eat into the material, know your limits. Some interiors will be worse and take longer than others and it depends on what you want your result to be, which will indicate how long it'll take.
How much do you pay your helper?
Did you get any answer to your question ?
@@JohnB-nn6pp nope
most people will pay around 20-35 an hour to the helper
Generally the more people you have the less time it takes if your detailing dirty cars on your own it's going to take you a minute
if you are 1 person, and an interior detail takes you 1-3 hours, you are doing something wrong or you are half assing it. A full interior detail, cleaning all the crannies and under the seats and not skipping steps, it should take you up to a day. Anyone who says they are 1 person and can do a full detail in 2-3 hours, is lying through their teeth. You cannot rush a good quality job.
A lot of times people do what I call an 'express detail'. Basically that 2-3 hour max detail but not as picky. It's possible to pump out a decent detail in that time but I definitely wouldn't charge top dollar for it. If you're trying to hustle it's good for you and the customer that wants their car back.
When i do a full interior detail without the headliner and without removing seats, it takes me a whole day. From early morning to the evening. 6-8hrs I'd say of clean working time when I'm hitting every crack and crevice in the car (if it's that dirty). Removing seats and cleaning headliner is lile 1-2hrs plus.
A detailed vacuum is like 0.30-1hr most of the time. If it's super dirty, it takes 1.5-2 hrs just to vacuum it properly 😅
Vacuum, textile cleaning and extraction takes a few hours (3-4hrs) When focused on the textile parts. I usually dry the car with it's own ventilation.
Just spent 4 hours vacuuming and dry cleaning my car, I will be going shampooing tomorrow I will be doing the floor mats during their own session.
Yes! For ex it takes like 3 days for The Detail Geek to clean a disaster interior.
If you can’t find a way to complete jobs more efficiently after doing it over and over and over then you’re honestly just garbage at detailing lmao
Way to always stay in your groove fam. Been watching you for the longest (couple of years 🤗), and you never steered me wrong.
Your tips actually landed me a contract for a used car dealership first shot and first try in the detailing business. Unfortunately I haven't been doing it since the pandemic. But your videos are very informative and soothing.
Thank you for doing your thing and using your gift in life.
Dang! Thanks so much for the kind words, Michael 😤
Will you explain the way y’all cleaned the headliner. I try to stay away from them for the most part other that spot cleaning. That looked to definitely get the job done.
When i detail i take a microfiber cloth wrapped around my steamer and spray a diluted 10:1 APC and lightly steam while not letting the steam sit in one place for too long and rub it in with a microfiber cloth!
@@corder_pounder I'll have to try that out next time I do an interior, thanks for the tip!
Beyond tha how - to's,,
Most inspirational part was...
"You will get better..
You will get quicker and more efficient.."
Thanks!!!
You got it 🚀
advice on using ANY vacuum. Let the vac do the work, dont bust your body moving it back and forth rapidly.
Thank you. As always down to earth advice.
Glad to help 👍🏽
i am a local detailer as well i run the same basic processes you clean/condition leather etc. i just do not extract. what are you charging for this process with and without extraction because surely not everyone is getting an extraction service and it is a much more extensive service notably. i charge 125-175 for this service without extraction.
That’s a good price point. I would look up how to make an extractor from your vacuum and be able to get that hundred dollar upsell on the interior details 👍 I put mine together for 300 including buying a new rigid vacuum and mytee sprayer head.
Making a extractor is easy they sell the attachments on Amazon for a shop vac
@@mattb12341 how do you do that?
@@matthayes3348 th-cam.com/video/Hboi4M723gg/w-d-xo.html
Love these straight to the point videos
Funny how things I thought would be fast, took a long time. The things that I thought would take a long time, went fast.
You don’t have those air movers listed, at least I don’t see it. Can you throw a link or model of it?
What drill brush or pad did you use in the headliner?
I've never seen the polisher on the headliner. That would be great to see.
How many people did you have working on the interior for it to take 2.5 hours?
2 people
@@DetailGroove so 5 hours
My process is really similar to yours. After removing client's items from the vehicle, I go immediatelly to door jambs. I use strong apc (Super clean at 4:1) and spray down the entire door jamb, agitate with a brush then pressure wash off using a 25 degree (green) nozzle. I start with that because sometimes water will bounce on something and end up in the vehicle, so I want to do it first so I don't have to work ever what I have already done. I end the detail with a waxing of the door jambs using a microfiber towel and a pain sealant. That gives the final clean and protects at the same time. Also I don't use a tornador because I am mobile and don't carry a compressor in the van.
A rigid 4.5 gal is amazing for mobile setup
What pad was used on the headliner? Thank you!
That’s what I’m trying to figure out
I love this video! Thank you! I was wondering, what light do you use on the interior of the car? I always have a hard time seeing anything when cleaning in my garage.
Great video!! Really admire you! Always start to the point and encouraging with content that is valuable! I just wrapped up a filthy one this weekend and it took me 6.5 hours solo including the headliner!
Fire video .. just started my own detail business all by myself and I always feel like I take to long but I feel like I get better and better with each detail I’m shooting for the long run I invested thousands so I’m determined to to make it work out
What machine and pad did you use on the headliner?
Have you ever had customers come back to you saying their roof lining is sagging using that method?
No
That has never happened to us
Hi. Why do you use a drill brush for the seats and carpet but a DA for the headliner? Less aggressive for a more delicate surface? Thanks!
That’s exactly why 👍
Can I ask why the Tornador doesn't deem to be a very popular tool, look amazing.... so why does it not seem so popular?? ty jimmy
Well for one, you need an air compressor. And if you're mobile, that means you need space for it, which also means you'll need a generator, which means... like 3 other steps to really get it to work smoothly haha
Thats brave cleaning the headliner.
I started a “weekend detailing” side gig in March snd man i do everything yall do….same steps to…i just hate try to do the back first and then work on the front…whenever i get in the car i always seem to leave hairs or dumb shit so always revacuuming just like yall do! i wish I had your equipment though! i just use a hoover clean slate shampooer/extractor, super clean and a drill brush. i have a rubber brush to get the hairs. It typically takes me 3-3.5 hours on a decently dirty truck…so prolly about 3 at most on something like this. wish I had your tools though for sure! id prolly be right around 2.5 hours as well….but i guarantee your prolly charging more than me. all this for a truck like that is about $20 an hour. so i typically would make $60ish. anu tips on rubber floor mats? i have no power washer (no hook up outside) so i always end up soaking them in a tub and then cleaning them with some Adams stuff thats for rubber…sometimes its like they look clean then once they drive the dirt comes back
Add some dressing to them once there cleaned. Just make sure to work the dressing in good and don't use a dressing that's slick. I use a detail brush to apply the dressing in all the groves then wipe clean with a towel.
cleaning the headliner like that is wild......
righttttt
Just wondering how are you supposed to clean it?
@@plasma044 Basically you don't want to apply any cleaners directly into the headliner because it might loosen the headliner glue and it could become baggy, what most people do is first apply a cleaner on a microfibre and carefully clean the headliner
I feel like he destroyed it
Awesome info Oscar thank you
You're welcome!
How many people was detailing the car ? Was it 2.5 hrs for 1 person or 2 or 3 .
It was 2 people
Which pad was used on the headliner to agitate it? Looks like microfiber, if so was it a finishing pad?
Looked like a Meguiars microfiber cutting pad since the foam body of the pad looks dark red
2.5 hrs just for interior... how much are you charging for this?
It depends; our pricing ranges between $200 to $400
Dude with out removin interiors how you clean in betune cener consolé
Push the seat forward/backwards 👍🏽
Hey for the Headliner what is the pad you use?
microfiber finishing pad
Great video! Random question You guys don’t steam ?
We do when needed but a lot of what we would steam gets handled by the cleaning gun! As far as the cloth, no, not really. Our extractors are heated and we make the water even warmer.
How do you clean the ninja scrub pads and star?
We spray APC on it and then blow it out with our air gun
Must you always have to shampoo cloth seats? or spray and wipe with a microfiber is fine?
I'm always gun-shy about putting too much fluid into the headliner...seen too many saggy ones in my times so I just do a damp rage with rinseless wash and that's always served me well. Who the heck is touching those things anyway?!
Thank you for sharing the art, your knowledge, and inspiration! awesome video
It is a process and it takes time to develope speed and accuracy. Be steady .
Where is that vacuum for the cloth seats brought from? I need one of those but don’t know anything
I really need a pro extractor but I can’t fit one in the WRX 🙃
You can still get one and have clients drop off the vehicle at your house if you have a garage. It'll save you in gas and time from driving one place to the next
@@rezzo_6fn659 not a bad idea it’s just I don’t live in a good area for detailing. It’s on the edge of a really rural area so the roads are always so dusty and dirty that I don’t like getting drop offs much. I’d rather just go to the customer. I’m looking for shop space in a good area which will solve most of my problems, but that’s becoming more of a challenge than I thought!
@@eyetvideos467 oh yea I believe it. I remember looking for one. I was gonna share a spot with a wrap shop but I didn’t like the prices he was offering. Love doing it out of my garage plus my older kids get to help and learn. You’ll get there brother. Keep grinding
@@rezzo_6fn659 thanks brother I appreciate it! Good luck with your business 💪
@@eyetvideos467 back at you brother!
Doesn't the drill brush damage the ceiling tile?
Do you use the extractor on all seats or does it depend on the dirt spot on the seat?
Do you not apply carpet cleaner and extractor vac etc. on the carpet ever? This might be why my details take so long to complete.
Also, great video, very insightful!
Thats what i was thinking. But maybe thats for his best package
Hi, where can i contact you about the sponsorship?
What’s in your sprayer Brother ? Before you use your drill brush
What kinda pump sprayer did you use ?
Awesome stuff 👍💯💪
What pre-treatment you using cousin!? Also, what fiber rinse you mixing in the 8070?
Great video as usual...
Thanks!
Please visit me in New Hampshire
Can I ask what you use for gas cleaner and what chemical do you use in the shampoo machine? Great video by the way
Where do you get your shop vac hose and attachments? And what do you use to clean the headliner (product and tool)?
Do you still use your steamer for interior details?
Wondering what people are charging for their cleaning like is done in this video. Thanks, just trying to figure out if this is a viable business in retirement. Enjoy detailing our personal cars and these video's are super helpful.
I would probably charge about $250 for that job. But without the shampooing/hot water extraction it would probably look more like $150
What’s a good product to shampoo the seats
Ok I thought you were a player thanks for keeping it 💯
What were you guys using for the headliner, that buffer looking tool?
Drill brush
What dilution do you use for the Flex products?
No steamer this time?
Great video
Do exterior process ✅
What happened to the upholstery tool for the extractor?
im curious as well. My guess would be using more water=faster, air movers and peroxide treatment makes more water a non-issue
Oscar putting in the work💪🔥💯👌
Oscar I Armando de Chicago IL empese El negocio de detailing ase 2 meses solo e tenidi 6 clients es normal para empesar o me faltara halgo mas estamos en las redes social es tambien. Gracias por Tus ensenansas.
Hola Armando, en que estado o ciudad vives, y ya q ha pasado un año como te va en tu negocio ahora, como fue el verano? Gracias por leer 🙂👍🏼
What vacuum with the orange hose and small attachment us he using for the final
Vacuum? I like how small the hose and vac attachment is
It’s the RIDGID auto detailing kit includes the hose you mentioned.
@@goldstandardautoworks thnx g
What kind of tools are you using for head liners?
microfiber finishing pad. Dont go over speed 3
Mine is very similar
Where can we find that vacuum attachment you have on the orange hose?
Home Depot
I've noticed on older cars and even some newer cars that using even the white drill brush attachment it can effect the stitching in the seats. Now that's being as gentle as possible around the stitching. Have you ever had this issue.
Only on brush bristles that are new/too firm. Try taking it and wearing down/softening the bristles on something like firm carpet/turf material etc. Make them more loose and less firm, but they'll still be firm enough to get the job done.
How do i clean the cloth seats without an extractor? I have a shopvac
Soft drill brush to agitate & microfiber to wipe clean. You can use your shop vac to extract water as well as long as you have the correct filter. You don’t need to whole conversion kit to make it an extractor. It’s made to suck up water regardless. You just have to make sure you bring the soil to the surface of the fabric
@@dm7744 but the shopvac doesnt suck that much if its just the cleaner on the surface
Like theres not enough water to extract that dirt, will it work if i just spray water with a bottle and then use wet vac ?
👍🏿👍🏿
Dude a full detail takes like 40-50 hours. If ur done within a couple hours you’re not detailing, you’re just cleaning.
Wait what did you use for the car ceiling? That looks quick.
Your suppose to do the headliner first and work your way down, why in the world would you drill out a head liner and have everything fall down onto what you just cleaned. Really no argument here this process is completely wrong
So when do you dress interior and not dress interior ? You ask the customer what they prefer ? Or charge more ?
Hey says in his videos that he uses super clean on cloth seats, and in this video he used a different cleaner and he did not say what it is!!! Are these youtubers playing us??? I am new to detailing and it is confusing me
Keep watching more videos like pan the organizer, or Josh detailer tbey have ton of videos with different techniques and products.
How is your business going? ??
@@ronym829burnnn
Use super clean for everything that needs cleaning plastics and carpet leather wheels and tires engine bay just dilute it accordingly. No need to use specific products for every single part of the car. If a TH-camr is pushing specific products while cleaning specific parts of the car he’s sponsored
@@ronym829you have to experiment yourself to get the real honestly. Some ppl talk down on products simply because they do not know how to use them properly or because no one else uses it. TH-cam will only get you so far until you start learning in the field. Then you can come back and know who’s a fraud and who’s not