4090 liquid damage repair
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2023
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The way some people treat their cards... You'd think they'd know you can't put a leash on them and take them for a walk in the park. Some people though are special.
Dude I know… like money grows on trees.. I own a 6700xt that I got used That Iam pretty sure was mined on.. after I tested it I tore it down.. cleaned it and constantly monitor its health… I also have a rx7600 I just picked up for my tv rig and I constantly dust that and check temps.. I’ll tell ya Iv learned rdna 3 runs way cooler the 2
Not everyone lives in the USA and pay in USD. For us in South Africa, a 4090 is six months salary. So, we either get the card, dont eat. Or better idea is stay on an old card and have food. Basic salary is ZAR6000 -ZAR8000 here. the 4090 is ZAR32000 -40000
@@peternoone7902 Don't feel bad, highend cards are definitely way overpriced but that is just the way things are. If you have a Toyota Corolla budget (and needs), you don't go shopping for a Hellcat. Those cards costs about the same take home amount of an average adult in the US. Even with a salary of more than twice the national average, I'd not even think about getting one of those cards. Heck, the custom built system I bought for $1800 in Nov 2021 came with a 3070Ti when the video card alone was selling for $1400-$1500. You have to be smart when shopping, especially when you lack the funds.
Damn that repair was above and beyond. Great work.
The fact that this kind of channels does not get way more subscribers, shows how much we are way too comfortable with buying new things when the old ones are broken. Repairs artists are real and deserve way more support ❤
his channel has grown a lot in the last few months. it’s great
I honestly think "Repair" should be right there with "Reduce, Reuse and Recycle". So many things with just a minor damage are going into landfills, it's crazy wasteful and stupid.
Super dumb reasoning....most people are not that much into hardware and will look for fixes.
How many people that get their phone damaged or cracked go into youtube channels to see how it gets repaired, only the enthusiast.
This channel is a niche for GPU enthusiast.
The dude has fantastic skills and I watch his videos but dont expect the channel to blow anytime soon. Its fine as is
@@rx10 Did you just defend the self-inflicted ignorance of normies and called someone out for wishing that a more sophisticated channel had more viewers? You think this channel shows "fantastic skills", but it "is fine as it is" that he has not more subs, cause people should rather be throw their shit away and have no basic understanding of the things they and consume?
I call that super dumb reasoning.
Just got my 7900 XTX burning during a driver update, just 2 months after I purchased it. First time in my life I see fire getting out of a GC. Probably one of those wrong designs. This is how "modernity" is going to shit. I wish I would have all that knowledge to repair the GC vy myself. Amazing skills.
I didn't understand anything about what you did but I find it interesting anyway, the problem solving is really entertaining to watch !
These repairs are just next level. Blows my mind watching this man work.
Clicked on this because I have a 4090. Aaaaaaand my case is open. If that liquid was a dog whiz, I better get my case cover back on before my dog gets that email! Thanks for saving my GPU!
lol. Keep the pc exhaust part close to the wall too.
Oh my god dude shut your case XD
That written explanation of what you were doing was really necessary and it makes your video better!
I am really enjoying the 40 series cards, and I really liked the FYI and captions! Thanks!
The AIBs cutting costs because nVidia charges them arm and a leg for the cores, same time dictating the MSRP and competing with them making founders cards. This is shady AF! Even my fav PNY can't last in that environment 😢😢
They just want AIBs to die
That's why EVGA dropped out of Nvidias stupid Game.
I mean they do produce the most important product on that measly board. If I was in NVidia's shoes I'd do the same.
but the real reason AIBs cheap out is because they want to make X profit per card and don't care what the consequences are to the consumer
@@iamdmc Spilling electrically conductive liquid on your card is likely to damage something no matter how good the quality is. Some cards have more robust designs which will reduce the amount of damage they are likely to take, or just make diagnosing the problem easier.
Not having soldered joints on the heat sink isn't necessarily a big deal. The cooler for a 4090 is going to be so heavy either way that you should never mount it horizontally (in a vertically mounted motherboard) without some kind of additional support, and you should never transport the card in the slot without additional support either. Even if it's the lightest 4090 on the market, you probably still need to always give it additional support, unless it's mounted on a horizontal motherboard (but even then you wouldn't want to transport it without removing the card first, or adding additional support).
I didn't watch the entire video, so unless there's some additional design flaw that he brought up deeper into the video, the quality doesn't seem to be an issue here. Spilling electrically conductive liquid on your card is likely to damage something no matter how good the quality is.
We should be picky about quality, especially with an ultra-high-end product like this. That being said, quality for videocards has generally gone up over the years, but sometimes quality does still go down too with some brands.
Personally, I have become very picky. I don't care about extreme high-end over-engineered coolers, I just tend to go for coolers which are above the quality of the more basic models, and I like to see independent reviews on the exact model before buying. Sapphire and EVGA both offered a lot of good quality boards without charging a big premium for it, but sadly EVGA obviously isn't making cards anymore, and Sapphire obviously only makes AMD cards.
Most brands make some good products, some over-priced products, and some products with design problems or quality shortcomings. Manufacturing flaws are also always a possibility, even if the design is perfect.
@@syncmonism yeah the new 40 sereies hard have such overkill cooling that no matter how cheap card you buy you should be fine tbh...
I always find your fixes very fascinating and entertaining.
I have a PNY 4090 so it was interesting to see what it looks like under the hood. I hope nothing bad happens to it. 🙏
@boofygoofy3758 Where I live the price price difference is around 500usd for the strix. Not sure if that makes it still worth it 😅
@boofygoofy3758 I used to upgrade every cycle to the top card until I got my Titan XP. Had that for 6 years and it was great. Then tried out the 7900XTX. Had it for 8 months but they had some serious issues with VR. Somehow managed to get a full refund as it started to die and then I got the PNY 4090 instead as the strix was 2200usd and the PNY was 1700usd. I’m pretty sure the warranty is not transferable when you buy 2nd hand no?
Surprised to see only 14 phase for this monstrous 450w core. Great video as always!
No, it's about 300 watts for the core, the rest goes to the memory and VRM and PCB losses. Peak efficiency for this VRM is at about 234 amps. This is a budget card though. The Mid range cards have the VRM running at peak efficiency at 300 amps
@@retrofitter what stages are they using?
I enjoy the commentary even with the sped-up footage. Your patience with sich tedious work... just amazing.
You Sir are Simply Amazing!! Love watching you work!!
Really like that you explain what and why you re doing in the upper left corner (FYI)
Awesome repair. Can't wait for the next one.
Thanks 👍
amazing to see, i love your work and the video!
Awesome video, I liked a lot that you put exact temperature numbers in the text, that is neat for begginers like me.
I hate that connector too. Small pins are a pain if they get bent, had to replace one with the same procedure as you did.
very satisfying to see those cards to be saved instead of being reedeem to a no fix for economical reasons . I takes a lot a knowledge too, breat job !
These repairs must cost more than a card is worth, but the joy of watching your skill is invaluable.
I mean it's a 4090 so probably not
but I would expect a repair like this to cost $300US or more just for his time, + $50 for parts
Replacing RAM will cost even more, like $20/chip, and if your core is dead (on a 4090) that's the thing that "totals" the card because a replacement is basically impossible to find brand new commercially, with used cores off of burned out cards being the only option (and such a card on ebay is about 1/2 the price of a new card)
Do you even know how much is a 4090?
@@seffardwhat is the price right now? It used to be 2000 dollars right?
His skill is worth more than the average $1800 GPU and you can't tell me otherwise@@seffard
Give or take $200 yes, 2k is the average right now@@squeezerdsqueezerd2427
you have become a staple in electronics repair my man seriously you should be able too make a living teaching other people
love to watch your fixes...its a kinda relaxing mode to me. you do such many great jobs. !! if some day i need help ill send my hardware to you for sure ! Hope never need, but in case your my Go2Men !
Such a modest dedicated individual !
Fascinating work!
Hell yeah lot of people would have given up on that one. Props for pushing through!
This repair was incredible, I wonder how much would cost this level of a repair. It gives me hopes that people can still repair things that's why I loved seeing this video is atrocious that we are all forced into a culture of disposable electronics when there could be more effective than effort to extend the life of equipment like this.
This is really interesting to watch. You sir are a pro. 👍
Having a vapor chamber instead of a copper plate is a huge advantage. I heard a rumor that Nvidia was thinking of making the 4090 even more high powered but then they changed their minds after the AIB's already had their coolers in the pipeline and that's why they're so overbuilt. Maybe PNY skipped soldering to save some money because they knew this cooler would work fine.
Great Job!
This is a great video with lots of "this is why I do X" tidbits. Thank you!
You always seem to amaze a lot of us good work for sure. I would like to see you go more in depth on the builds of these cards with components and such to give us all Insite on to which are the better cards.
haha your humor cracks me up.. nice one.... like that one. lots of small details included. one day ill get lucky and get fired to. So much to learn even with advanced soldering skills and electronic background . it would help if I picked a specialty.. but i want to fix it all!!!!
insane repair, good job!
you are the only guy who make complicated repairs funny 😊 . keep up the good work !
Mr. Wizard did it again, 4090 saved after obviously a water cooler leak 😅
Fascinating!
amazing repair! One of the few techs using a preheater instead of blasting 1000F to cold boards. One thing I wonder - not really expecting an answer - is how much you charge for such a large job. Fair enough the 4090 is an expensive card but that was a lot of work! Well done anyways!
Unfortunately the cost of reparing stuffs went so high that most of the times it is more logical to put a bit more money and buy a new device instead of reparing the current ones. no doubt repairing things is difficult but at the end the cost should be so that people think it is worth it to pay for repair instead of getting a new one
Good to see another PNY 4090 put back in action. It may be cheap, but its quiet and undervolts nicely.
cheap?
@@carrickdubya4765$1600 is not cheap no, but out of all the 4090s it has the lowest price and it goes on sale more often than others. Also its often found used or open box. I got my PNY 4090 for $1200 open box (looked new), only thing missing was the support bracket. People do say it has the lowest quality out of all AIBs but mine has been running great, no cool whine and good temps.
@@carrickdubya4765 I think he means cheap for a 4090, but I've never seen pny go for less than other brands\models
Love your videos. would love to be able to do this myself.
They get away with because people just don’t know until they see a video like yours. People assume it’s made correctly especially if it’s from a big name company. So it’s good you show this kind of stuff. 👍
Insane and awesome job man, wish i had the technical skills you have to repair gpu's. There's literally no such thing in the UK.
No joke, my cat actually pissed INSIDE my PC once. Sheet happens if you leave the side panel off....
dayum, great work man
A good method is to inject the voltage e.g. on 12V, but connect the ground lead to a coil behind the mosfets. That way you can safely apply higher voltage and it won't run through the core.
can you share a video here to understand that ? please
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It was also explained in details on Learn Electronics Repair channel, one of the videos on short detection methods.
Amazing work!
I am so happy that humans still have their place. The manufacturing is so complex that it is a shame to just throw those gem stones just because some transistor went rogue.
You are Amazing
Jeesh captain, the board would not release even with low melt solder. We might need some way to pressurize the molten solder. Like that Philippines guy on shop fix channel. I watched him give back a graphics card to a customer and the memory chip he had used solder wick to pick up all the unleaded solder from the board but he left it on the chip. I think he never had a stencel or solder balls. The card then worked fine but might crack at the first opportunity.
Great works as usual :)
A good way to desolder the connector without damaging it: solder a wire that connects all the pin on the back of the card, like a snake. The cover it of leaded tin and then apply hot air on it: the connector will fall down easily.
Saving Graphics Cards One At A Time. 👍Good Job Mate.
Great Video and again, great on screen tips while you are working. Curious if you think a desolder tool would have helped you with that connector replacement.
Now that's a lot of moving parts!
wow that was a tuff 1 sir :)
man i love the jokes you put in
Sorry for my ignorance, but the problem was that f... connector from the beginning?
You're Great!
I like how it's just normal now that anyone can easily make an accident and casually melt the power connector of a 4090.
any other shop would deem this a no fix. Great job
Great Vid!!!!! Like always 😊
When the Coke Can strips come out you know some serious shit is gonna happen
Use of thermal imaging, nice touch. You should have your own show like Oprah had back in the day!
Great video.
I wonder what kind of liquid it was.
The wizard strikes again. Nice job.
I think the title should be "so many broken mining GPU's."
Thanks for scoping the fets, I was about to body slam my screen and then you did it. 🤣😬
Evga come back!!!! It’s not the same without them..
NICE VID and nice intro...
Hope the salary is good enough so you can continue bringing these cards back on the road!
im curious, is everything around the chip sort of feeding it and making sure it gives what the chip needs to perform optimally? and are the parts (except the chip) replaceable? sorry i have no idea whats going on but its very fascinating to see
hey! got a question, what microscope do u use? thanks for all the videos and amazing work!
when I stress I came here to watch your video.
Are these boards created in the factory with the same method? I mean by hand and hot air?
remember to clean corrupt part with isoprop ..
Is there any way to modify press-fit fins with solder?
One day... I will learn those skills..
Tony, I noticed how much solder you use to tin the pads on the PCB and the MOSFET. Do you think that so much solder could possibly lead to shorts under the chip especially after pressing on top of it ? When I do similar soldering I'm always very cautious and I use wick to remove some of it.
I think yes a bit too much solder and it jumped two or more pads when he pressed down.
i noticed your using < 1000w hot air station, is there reason for that?
Where do you find this synth wave background music? It's one of my favorite things about your channel and videos!
By any chance are those mosfets from aliexpress store with smush text on the images?
Is it the overclocking gpus that causes these blow outs???
Looks like he uses his pc case as a Mountain Dew cup holder and knocked it into the top vent.
Serious Question Why do all A.I.B's not cover the rear of the die?
The Nvidia Founder edition card has that place covered up.
I wonder if such water damage common among those cards
Was it worth it ???? Compare Purchasing a good used unit and cost of your repair ????
wait, you can wash the entire circuit board for deep cleaning service?
Is 180c (preheat) board temperature safe? The capacitors specs says they are rated at max 105 celcius. I am always feered to preheat the board above 120c, cause they are has some liquid, and dont want to blow then up :D.I should test cap capacitance before preheat, and after preheat on different temps.
Hi what did you study to do this line of work ? Pls
How is PNY 3090Ti? They looks like Manli. Does it worth to buy?
Just out curiosity what does a repair like this cost?
Given that EVGA is out of the picture, what is the Nvidia partner with the best engineered cards?
Still need to know what that liquid is.
Question, if that mat you are using, is anti static, Isn't it also conductive? And won't that influence the cards you are injecting voltage into/measuring? Or, is the resistance of the mat too high for test voltages, but conductive for High voltage/static? hm...
its not anti static.
Anti static mad is not conductive. It has a wire which you strap to your self which is grounded. Thats all that is.
Just strap your self to ground with a coiled spring like wire so you are not restricted in motion.
How do folk manage to get liquid on desktop computers?
Man I miss EVGA. Is all I ever bought until they left.
i dont get one part ... how is possible 1 voltage injected get leaked through doctor mosfet and leaked 1 voltage ??? doctor mosfet needs a minimal voltage to get activated close to 12 voltage IN , doesn´t ???.. i dont get that part
I have exact the same 4090 from PNY and I love it.
the card is way better than the 500€ more expensive 4090 Strix from ASUS I had.
I know the PNY is "only 450W" compared to the Strix.
But the ASUS had horrible coil whine and also noisy fans compared to the PNY.
Lol ik the feeling I have the 4090 gaming x trio tho the vapor chamber would be nice but truthfully not really needed lol I barely hit 70c on full game loads and that's with it vertically mounted I know this owner 😂 gonna turn over a new pcb after this endeavor and treat their card better xd.
hahahaha! The duck thought he saw a worm!!!
You could have grounded the vcore inductor and kept the voltage below 1 volt
Can you make a video on how to check any gpu voltages on gpu board 12v 5v 3.3v 1.8v carefully
Just curius how much this job costed?
how much cost a repair like this