Why didn't the USSR annex Poland?

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  • @HistorySpeedrun17
    @HistorySpeedrun17  10 วันที่ผ่านมา +217

    Correction:
    1. In 1947 Poland was proclaimed as the 'Republic of Poland' and was renamed 'Polish People's Republic' in 1952.
    2. There is no consensus on whether Stalin intended to incorporate Finland into the USSR directly, however there is strong evidence to suggest that. But yes, I shouldn't have phrased it the way that I did, because it gives the impression that we know that that was the intention.

    • @kubatomaszewski3959
      @kubatomaszewski3959 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      That’s Your only correction?

    • @XGalatrosX
      @XGalatrosX 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      The next correction should be that during World War I, Poland was also occupied by The Russian Empire (alongside German Empire and Austria-Hungary). The Polish nation was merely trying to free itself from the occupation of these three countries.

    • @zikoadrian6059
      @zikoadrian6059 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      you didn't learn your lesson and you want to teach others? not enough corrections

    • @aviator_1315
      @aviator_1315 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      the PRL or ppr in english was strictly controlled by russians like a belarus today so it wasn't technically annexed but in reality it pretty much was

    • @ekesandras1481
      @ekesandras1481 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      the answer to this video's question is simple:
      - because the United States of America had the atomic bomb.

  • @SketchG
    @SketchG 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1334

    Today is Poland's Independence Day Great timing

    • @Melonishy
      @Melonishy 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Fr

    • @lunalingo4461
      @lunalingo4461 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Independence from what?

    • @tacotaco288
      @tacotaco288 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +73

      @@lunalingo4461freedom at the end of ww1

    • @GenovaYork24
      @GenovaYork24 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      ​@@lunalingo4461 Germany.

    • @Festucius
      @Festucius 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +105

      ​@@lunalingo4461German, Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires.

  • @bardkuzniadram6193
    @bardkuzniadram6193 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    Answer from a Polish citizen : Because they know that we will fight and never accept soviet chains of slavery. For Poland II WW end in 1989.

    • @Chaldon-hl6yk
      @Chaldon-hl6yk 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      1918 Lenin recognizing the right of the Polish people to self-determination, 1945 confirmed by Stalin
      Poland created by Soviets

    • @applesauce1243
      @applesauce1243 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Kek, the Soviet Union did not allow the Nazis to wipe out your people from the face of the earth, helped you annex their lands and established your statehood after the Second World War and voluntarily left you in 1989.
      And after all you present it as if the will of the Poles alone is behind your independence

  • @PolskaAnimations
    @PolskaAnimations 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +843

    Ironic that you posted this on polish independence day

    • @The_whales
      @The_whales 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      But which one exactly?

    • @Tom-jg9de
      @Tom-jg9de 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@The_whales if i remeber it's 1919

    • @decp12
      @decp12 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

      @@Tom-jg9de *1918 :v

    • @Tom-jg9de
      @Tom-jg9de 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@decp12 oh thx

    • @Dionysus784
      @Dionysus784 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      i dont think it was randomly

  • @eospwwk
    @eospwwk 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +532

    Maybe he knew that poles like to make uprisings

    • @robertklimczak5630
      @robertklimczak5630 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +62

      Zawsze

    • @maki3904
      @maki3904 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      gypsy tactics

    • @PLC_Mapping
      @PLC_Mapping 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      tak, POLSKA GUROM 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱

    • @drzewolejhvjgvwnoposting8734
      @drzewolejhvjgvwnoposting8734 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      our tendency to rebel was exactly mentioned in video

    • @maki3904
      @maki3904 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@drzewolejhvjgvwnoposting8734 gypsy tactics

  • @lordfunk777
    @lordfunk777 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +218

    The people in the comments acting as if this video wasn’t purposefully posted on Polish Independence day 💀💀💀💀

  • @czarnywilkgaming8255
    @czarnywilkgaming8255 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +144

    Even tho Poland wasn't part of USSR, it still kinda inspired whole eastern bloc to fall. Problem with Poland was that they won't listen to anyone trying to control them against their will. Funny enough, time when Poland was under the partition was time when Polish culture was developing really fast, alot Polish patrotic books or other kinds of art. We just wanted a free and Independent country after all these years no matter the cost.

    • @ghua
      @ghua 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Poland inspired nothing, it was probably a test how to go from communism to "capitalism" without losing the grip, getting wealthy in the process

    • @Mala_Li
      @Mala_Li 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Tak szczególnie to było widać w plandemii😅

    • @razok888
      @razok888 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Well said!!!! Country is not a line on map but in the real heart!

    • @tkm238-d4r
      @tkm238-d4r 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Good point that you made. Because a sizable number of Germans and Austrians were Catholics, it was politically impractical to emphasize religion 1st.
      Therefore Polish nationalists had to develop other things in order to make up for this cultural shortfall.
      Kind of irritating to hear some revisionists nowadays giving credit to the Polish Pope as the mastermind bringing down the Reds. Never really heard of that from 1989 to 2008.
      The Pope was influential but he probably was not directing Lech Wałęsa back then.

  • @tkm238-d4r
    @tkm238-d4r 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +539

    Simple. For Moscow, the problem with Poland was that it was too full of Poles.
    Solution. Shift all the Poles inside pre-1939 USSR to Poland. The de-Polonization of the USSR.
    Stalin understood Poles would never accept Russia or USSR.

    • @StekTM1
      @StekTM1 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      The areas they annexed had Belarusian and Ukranian majorities who were siezed by Poland during the Polish Soviet war. The goal was always to get it back.

    • @daniiic5092
      @daniiic5092 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      i mean nationalist polish figures with huge impact fled or were killed and im pretty sure some ukrainians went to the newly aquired territories of pomerania masuria and silesia

    • @Festucius
      @Festucius 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      @@tkm238-d4r It's a bit more complicated than that, e.g. Poles while being forced to abandon the Lithuanian countryside, so as to shift the land ownership structure, were not allowed easily to leave Vilnius, as they were to be lithuanised and not weaken the urban economy. Likewise leaving Belarus was made difficult on purpose.
      In principle you're correct, though. Stalin did consider Poles to be impossible to assimilate and sovietise.

    • @Mr_Topek
      @Mr_Topek 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +77

      ​@@StekTM1 These lands were polish long before USSR was a thing.

    • @StekTM1
      @StekTM1 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@Mr_Topek Poland ruled them but at this point they were under russian rule since the end of the 18th century

  • @przemslaw
    @przemslaw 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

    As I actually read today in the tram.
    - "You have an unrestrained desire for personal freedom, like birds. Doesn't your rebellious nature also bring harm? A nation must be disciplined, obedient, and respectful of authority." - stated Stroop (the butcher of Warsaw Ghetto)
    - "But not foreign authority!" - Moczarski replied.

    • @rano2613
      @rano2613 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Oh yes, "Conversations with an Executioner" (Polish: Rozmowy z katem) great book about how nazis become nazist and what they were doing.

    • @sulphurous2656
      @sulphurous2656 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      "Doesn't your rebellious nature also bring harm" has some real "Poland was actually the aggressor responsible for WW2 playing the victim" energy to it.

  • @mariuszlech9173
    @mariuszlech9173 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +276

    Joseph Stalin about Poland. ''Communism and Poles are like fitting a saddle to a cow''.

    • @forgott_8182
      @forgott_8182 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

      it isnt exactly true. Poles could accept communism, but only on the initiative of the Polish lower class revolution and not one that was forcibly imposed by a foreign power.

    • @krainex
      @krainex 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      poles were already lowkey started to accept communism in the saddle. for example remember the famous line from one of the opposition leaders "we arent anti socialism, we are anti the ruling party".

    • @Tessarion7
      @Tessarion7 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      ​@@forgott_8182 maybe that could be possible in interwar period, but I'm a bit sceptical about it. But today there is about 0 chance Poland would accept comunism, no matter where it came from

    • @martinledermann1862
      @martinledermann1862 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Tessarion7 If it came from America, they'd accept it.

    • @karolsiwek72
      @karolsiwek72 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@forgott_8182 where are you from to say that?

  • @redmarcin
    @redmarcin 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +529

    It's not Polish nationalism but Polish patriotism.

    • @_JustynkaPL
      @_JustynkaPL 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      Yeah. That's more accurate word.

    • @Kapik1081
      @Kapik1081 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +93

      It was drive towards independence so nationalism, not patriotism. Patriotism is loyalty to ones country but has nothing to do with a nation trying to have an independent country.

    • @polishcapibara1356
      @polishcapibara1356 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      no, no, its nationalism.

    • @sweet_chicken
      @sweet_chicken 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +47

      Westerners don't distinguish

    • @EdinProfa
      @EdinProfa 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Polish Russophobia, more exact.

  • @MiSt3300
    @MiSt3300 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +67

    Thank God we were not part of the soviet union. Poland is just too different from Russia. We have very different cultures.

    • @poohoff
      @poohoff 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How so

    • @MiSt3300
      @MiSt3300 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@poohoff it mostly comes down to eastern and western christianity. Polish identity is rooted in our golden age which was in the 16th century, when our culture flourished, and we had western christianity and a lot of architecture and influences from italy and france. Russia went a very different path. Our mentality is also very different from that of the Russian people, because due to being subjugated for the past 200 years by different empires, Poles developed a very different approach to governments, and in general we could never have a dictatorship or a cult of personality in Poland, because Poles are very distrustful of such stuff given our experiences. Russians on the other hand are very susceptible to that.
      That's why Poland and Russia also went very different paths after the dissolution of the soviet union. While Poland became a relatively rich western democracy, Russia fell into authoritarianism and corruption.

    • @zbawieniejestwieczne9013
      @zbawieniejestwieczne9013 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@poohoff for starters we don't speak Russian like Ukrainians do.

    • @czadczadekczadowski7695
      @czadczadekczadowski7695 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@zbawieniejestwieczne9013XD dobre

    • @aim3k249
      @aim3k249 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@MiSt3300dictatorship isn't impossible, it never is. But still less likely

  • @arekw7388
    @arekw7388 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Churchill claimed that "to communize Poland is pure madness." Stalin is said to have said that "communism fits Poland like a saddle fits a cow."

  • @blueguns15000
    @blueguns15000 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +114

    Polish Independence Day is a day where there is a video about Poland
    106th anniversary of WWI’s end

  • @yarozz
    @yarozz 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +76

    "Poland may be temporarily subdued but Polish people will never be defeated" R. Regan

    • @greenheart5334
      @greenheart5334 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Meanwhile at football

  • @rgit2212
    @rgit2212 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    the answer is in the national anthem: "Poland has not yet perished, So long as we still live. ..".

  • @adamwardin4202
    @adamwardin4202 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    That is so simplified, that I wouldn’t know where to start explaining… If you’re really curious about it you have to dig deeper. Much deeper.

  • @prinzoyro6886
    @prinzoyro6886 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    A bit long but here are some issues, ranging from small to big:
    1. The 1919 map is just plain out wrong, Poland didn't own that much territory to the east and certainly didn't own Belarusian territories.
    2. The Polish army didn't "race to the east". It was instead the Soviet Army that raced to the west, as they invaded Belarus and later Ukraine.
    3. Poland didn't "capture Kyiv", they had joined the war as allies to Ukraine, and rushed their armies to help defend Kyiv as the Soviets were advancing rapidly thanks to their cavalry.
    4. The war didn't suddenly shift in favour of the Soviets, instead they had already been invading Ukraine and winning, they simply kept it up. Also, no, there weren't suddenly people joining the Soviet Army after they seized Kyiv.
    5. It wasn't just Britain that was concerned with the spread of communism, however they did make up most of the lend-lease we received... Or were supposed to. Also it wasn't Britain that proposed the peace but rather the Polish command.
    6. There isn't any mention of Stalin believing they shouldn't invade Poland, however he did want to screw over Trotsky who was in charge of the cavalry which was doing the majority of the fighting.
    7. The main reason the red army suffered a defeat at the gates of Warsaw - also called the Miracle over Vistula - was due to their poor communication, and thanks to the Polish army making a risky encirclement, trapping a good part of their command and forcing them to surrender, then pushing further North to the German border and forcing over a million Soviet soldiers to retreat to the German border and surrender there, basically wiping out half of their army.
    8. The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was signed in 1938 and didn't partition just Poland but the entirety of Europe between Germany and the Soviet Union.
    9. It wasn't "nationalism" that was deeply rooted in Poland but rather patriotism and the will to defend your rights, as the country has been occupied for over 100 years before it gained at the end of WW1, at November 11th 1918. Throughout those 100 years the Polish people have been time and time again treated like slave labour under both the German and the Russian occupations, where they also tried to forcibly convert the Polish people from Catholicism to Protestantism under the German occupation and to Orthodox beliefs under the Russian occupation, with very little success. The Polish language was additionally banned periodically under the Russian occupation, though people didn't follow through with it and often got imprisoned or even shot for teaching it, and eventually the ban got lifted, however for the duration of the occupation the administrative languages were German under the German occupation and Russian under the Russian occupation respectively, and there were great efforts made to "colonise" Poland by both parties, sending Polish people out of cities to villages under German occupation and sending in German settlers, making a bunch of laws prohibiting Poles from owning land, and under Russian occupation resettling Polish people who have been convincted of even the smallest crimes along with their families to Siberia. Sufficed to say, this is a long point but it should give you the idea that it wasn't nationalism that made the Polish people seen as hard to subdue but rather their history of resistance, including many armed revolutions under the Russian occupation and the recent Warsaw Uprising.
    10. "Independent" isn't even near "Under Close Soviet Supervision", without going into the details the Soviets basically controlled every aspect of the Polish state and economy during their glorified occupation from 1945 to 1989, and as the video does mention the Soviet Union did in fact take the majority of Polish produce during that period, trading them for a tenth of its worth in bonds they could only trade with the Soviet Union.
    11. Another point the video fails to mention is that during the negotiations the USA has demanded that Poland stays independent, as they promised to support Poland, though in the end they ended up mostly abandoning it anyway.
    Regardless, happy late Polish Independence Day, and remember that even what I say might not be fully correct, as most of this is purely off of memory, so do your research people, and when you see a video talking about a country or its history... Double check your research just for sure, especially since in the modern times misinformation can be more widespread than facts and it can indeed also be used as a way to wage political conflicts, which can range from small adjustments like using slightly different words to explain what happened that could also mean something radically different, to huge differences like painting a whole nation as a bunch of Nazis. Cheers!

    • @prinzoyro6886
      @prinzoyro6886 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Oh, also I forgot two more facts: Poznań wasn't part of Poland until 2 days after the war started, as the Poznań Uprising was still ongoing, also Poland didn't take Villinus from Lithuania until 2 months after the invasion.

    • @tkm238-d4r
      @tkm238-d4r 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for the info. At the same time, in future you may want to write in shorter sentences. 😊😊
      I would slightly disagree on some interpretations. The Poles had a stronger case for a distinct existence not only because of pre-1795 events but also that the Russian Tsar took the title of Grand Duke of Poland after 1815.
      Of course the Tsar tried to abolish Polish autonomy later but the precedent was already set.
      As for Belarus and Ukraine, under the Tsar, they did not exist. They were no different from other Russian provinces.
      The Ukraine People's Republic was no more valid than the Donetsk People's Republic.
      This was one of the reasons why Ukrainian nationalism failed back then. There was no definition of where was Ukraine as a political entity.
      Regarding the status of the Polish People's Republic during the Cold War, regardless of how truly independent it was internally, what mattered were that Red Poland was
      -)recognized as independent politically
      -)maintain the appearance of independence
      -)function as independent internationally
      People nowadays can argue how independent some of the current EU member nations are but they are still seen as independent. 😁😁

  • @TapOnX
    @TapOnX 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +146

    We shouldn’t downplay the impact of international pressure. Before the war, Poland was a relatively populous European country - its population was only about 15% smaller than that of metropolitan France - with close ties to France and Great Britain. It was also a key part of the American vision for post-World War I Europe, as Poland’s independence was one of Wilson’s 14 Points. While the Allies did acknowledge Soviet dominance over Eastern Europe, allowing for military and indirect political control, incorporating Poland directly into the USSR was simply not an option. The Soviets held dominant control within their zone, but they weren’t omnipotent (consider Austria, Yugoslavia, and the Far East). Establishing solid communist rule over Poland took nearly eight years, in part because the Soviets had to maintain the appearance of an organic political shift.

    • @talusn9405
      @talusn9405 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

      Fun Fact Before the war, Poland had a larger population than Spain.

    • @robertklimczak5630
      @robertklimczak5630 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ostatni partyzanckich gineli w latach szesdziesiatych.

    • @bobstone0
      @bobstone0 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Yes, the pressure of national opinion was important, but this work was also based on the policy of facts that Poles achieved in winning the Polish-Bolshevik war of 1920. When Poland managed to defend itself, France and England used this fact to balance Russia and Germany. The existence of the second Polish Republic was an argument for the existence of a Polish people's republic, which, as a state, theoretically a quarter sovereign, could more easily reject communism, unlike nations without a state. That's why I believe that the victory of 1920 is the greatest Polish victory that continues to pay off to this day.

    • @susangoaway
      @susangoaway 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Which made it the ideal scapegoat to sacrifice to the Germans and Russians.
      The French and British betrayals won't be forgotten either.

  • @MachetManPL
    @MachetManPL 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +103

    Fun fact, the first Polish communist leader, Bolesław Bierut (who was a staunch Stalinist), wanted to incorporate Poland into the USSR, but Stalin refused him.

    • @Strix2031
      @Strix2031 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      This is the case for q lot of early cold war communists who where riding on the internationalism train

    • @lgasiorowska
      @lgasiorowska 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      and he knew what he was doing 😂 because the Poles destroyed the Soviet Union in a short time

    • @enitivy
      @enitivy 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@lgasiorowskawhat? Can you explain?

    • @czadczadekczadowski7695
      @czadczadekczadowski7695 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      basicly poland was the first country behind the iron courtain to ditch socialism and stick it up to the union what caused other states to want independence too​@@enitivy

    • @MrEspenkruger
      @MrEspenkruger 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Solidarity movement first in Poland but later in all eastern block. Fall of Berlin wall and later fall of USSR​@@enitivy

  • @Menzeller
    @Menzeller 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    You posted this on Polish independence day. . . 💀😆 also the animated maps you use in your videos are so good!

  • @generaltiberiusxx2884
    @generaltiberiusxx2884 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +178

    Well, one of the main reasons why Poland was Never incorporated into the USSR was because Stalin believed that the Polish people would favor nationalism over being part of the USSR And even if Poland was incorporated into the Soviet Union it would’ve led to more instability within the nation so in the end, Stalin made the right choice To leave Poland as a Soviet puppet state Knowing that it would be much more beneficial for the Soviet Union if it was a communist satellite state instead

    • @justacat2
      @justacat2 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

      lol i bet after you finished the video you realised he read your thoughts 😂

    • @SuryaTwo-bk1ky
      @SuryaTwo-bk1ky 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

      yeah no shit thats the whole videos point

    • @GenovaYork24
      @GenovaYork24 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      * -because- , boso.

    • @LoLaSn
      @LoLaSn 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@SuryaTwo-bk1ky You ever thought that maybe, just maybe he left that comment before watching it?
      Tard

    • @theodoreperkoski1951
      @theodoreperkoski1951 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And He did not count on the fact that there would be a Polish Pope. Now Stalin knows how many divisions the Pope has!!!

  • @soumyajitdas1729
    @soumyajitdas1729 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    Additional notes-
    At 0:15 1) not only Finland and Poland, USSR had also didn't controlled the Kars territory/Kars Republic (current-day part of Turkey) which was a part of the Russian Empire till 1914 when the Ottomans occupied it and later subsequently the newly formed Turkey.
    2) Even after the continuation war and after the end of WWII, the USSR proposed Finland many times considering joining the USSR with the condition of giving back those territories Finland lost in the continuation war till the mid-'50s. They even had a Soviet Republic for that (Karelo-Finnish SSR)
    At 1:24 The proposal of the very first Curzon line was different from the current one as this includes some more territories from Ukraine and a bit from Belarus (e.g - Lviv or parts of Grodno, Brest etc.)
    Overall that's a great video, you got a new subscriber :)

    • @HistorySpeedrun17
      @HistorySpeedrun17  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      You're right👍

    • @free_uyghuristan
      @free_uyghuristan 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      0:15 The reasoning for that was because Turkey was going to take Kars, going successful in it’s independence war. USSR made a deal, Batum in exchange for help. Not all of kars because it was ethnically turkish

    • @Peopleunder
      @Peopleunder 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      "Finland considering joining the USSR" , where your source come from and confirm it as true?

    • @armenian_cartographer_neo
      @armenian_cartographer_neo 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@HistorySpeedrun17gonna add, that after WW2 USSR had territorial claims to Turkey, or the Western Armenia abd Lazistan. Only after Turkey joined NATO and Stalin was dead, USsR did not claim anything to Turkey anymore.

    • @GenovaYork24
      @GenovaYork24 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Occupied lands are still part of the respective country. 😂
      The first time Ottomania occupied Kars was on 25 April 1918. It never did in 1914.😂
      Learn basic history before embarrassing yourself.

  • @Oszczywilski
    @Oszczywilski 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Nothing was proclaimed on 19th of Ferbuary 1947. During the communist time the birthday of People's Poland was celebrated on 22th of July, because establishing of the Polish Comitee of the National Liberation at that day in 1944. But the name of the People's Republic of Poland only became official in 1952 with adoption of the stalinist constitution.

  • @buoazej
    @buoazej 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    It did annex Poland.
    Half of pre-ww2 PL territory now lays in a former USSR, todays Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, maybe also Latvia and Moldova.
    Allied camp actually granted those lands to USSR in 1943.

    • @buoazej
      @buoazej 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@irenagreg7373 What do You mean 'gave it'?
      Maybe You mean the Polish buffer state created in 1916 by Germany?

    • @Snaxolotl71
      @Snaxolotl71 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That territory was stolen form the RSFSR during the Polish-Soviet war

    • @user-mh2uj7ns6h
      @user-mh2uj7ns6h 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Only Belarus, Ukraine and Lithuania. Poland didn't own any lands that are currently in Latvia and Moldova

    • @kupa7
      @kupa7 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@Snaxolotl71and that territory was part of Poland hundreds years before russia stole them in 1795 lviv was polish 600 years same grodno seems like u missed history lesson lil bro

    • @Snaxolotl71
      @Snaxolotl71 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ A Polish nationalist ignoring Polish aggression against the RSFSR, shocking.

  • @Kamilarmenia
    @Kamilarmenia 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    This feels like a big channel, this is really good keep it up!
    As a Polish person i love this vid

  • @cortexradio
    @cortexradio 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Congratulations on 1k subscribers-you truly deserve it!

  • @MichaeloApC
    @MichaeloApC 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Stalin was right, actually Poland totally dissolved Eastern Block and were one of the most "westernized" and liberty countries within Soviet sphere

    • @2005batman
      @2005batman 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And mark my words, it’s gonna play an even bigger role in dissolving the EU. Don’t mess with Poland, kurwa.

  • @salahal-saleh3076
    @salahal-saleh3076 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    This channel is going to grow fast.
    Keep up the good work and the new ideas

  • @Chris-ki2dx
    @Chris-ki2dx วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Everything correct, except I take issue with the usage of the word "nationalism" here. Imagine the sentence: "In 1941 the US nationalism caused the US to fight back Japan upon the Pearl Harbor incident". Wouldn't make much sense, ey?

  • @redagar2894
    @redagar2894 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Love how clear and detailed your explanation is given the time restriction. Wish u good luck in the future.

  • @jeskler
    @jeskler 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    You know, I clicked on this video expecting a spiel sounded like it was straight from Senator McCarthy himself, but was actually surprised on how factual and objective it was.

  • @cub8280
    @cub8280 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    Polish here, very well explained!

    • @Karaon
      @Karaon 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Pole*

    • @cub8280
      @cub8280 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Karaon both work as synonyms

    • @pguser
      @pguser 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It's not our native language

  • @bartoszbis6477
    @bartoszbis6477 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The best explanation of this situation in English I have ever seen. Congrats 🙌🏼 🇵🇱

  • @galaxypl7756
    @galaxypl7756 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Small correction: Ukrainian People's Republic and Poland were allies during the polish-soviet war, not UPR and Russia. So when Poland took Kyiv, it was returned to Petlura and UPR, and when Russia counterattacked, lands in galicia and volyhnia were occupied by the bolsheviks, not returned to UPR. Ukrainian soldiers even helped the Polish army and volunteers defend Lviv from Stalin and Budyonny in 1920.
    Russia did have a bolshevik puppet state in Ukraine, but it had a different flag than the one shown in the video.

    • @enitivy
      @enitivy 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Gonna forget volyn massacre by ukranian fascists on poles?

    • @tkm238-d4r
      @tkm238-d4r 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Back then, the UPR was in an unstable situation. Its predecessor, sometimes known in Anglo-Western historian circles as the Rada movement, gained some recognition as an autonomous unit under the Provisional Gov in Petrograd.
      After the Bolshevik takeover, the Bolsheviks tried to win over the Rada movement. The Rada movement preferred to maintain social distancing and the Bolsheviks reacted by setting up its own Ukrainian movement.
      In simple terms, the Rada changing into UPR was a way of UGTOW Ukrainians going their own way.
      However, the Ukrainian national movement was not well-defined, unlike its Polish counterpart. Ukraine and Ukrainians were more of a geographic identifier than a political identifier.
      As of 1985 -2014, Anglo-Western historian circles appeared to have little interest in the history of the UPR.
      Never really heard of it until 2014 when ironically, it was the setting up of the DPR-LPR that led to pro-Kremlin writers mentioning the UPR.

  • @rudek9591
    @rudek9591 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Two corrections: Polish Popular Republic was declared in 1945 and before 1914 Poland was under control of Prussia (Germany), Austro Hungarian Empire AND Russia.

  • @TheHal90000
    @TheHal90000 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    The date is wrong. "July manifesto" or "Manifesto of PKWN" was celebrated as declaration of independence. 22.7.1944 . 19.2.1947 was a temporary constitution.

  • @adamkwiecien5489
    @adamkwiecien5489 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Why make 10 minutes long movie about something that can be answered in 1 sentence? USSR didn't annex Poland, because Poles wouldn't let it happen.

  • @otwock2
    @otwock2 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +66

    At 1:06 there is a mistake. You cannot say "territories inhabited mostly by Ukrainians and Belorusians, but controlled by Polish forces" as it is giving a misleading impression. First, these territories were parts of Poland for centuries and for a little over last 100 years before WWI they were part of Russia. These territories were inhabited by Poles and Ruthenians (you know this term, right?) and some other nations as well. Second, at that time there was no notion of Ukrainian nor Belarusian nations. These nations, as we recognize them today, started having their own countries in 1991. Even now huge number of Poles are still living on the east side of current east Polish border.

    • @MihailSarkisof
      @MihailSarkisof 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      И разлилась Говно-река польского нацизма...

    • @Oberschutzee
      @Oberschutzee 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      He's right, and your comment is a clear example of the typical Polish chauvinist rhetoric!

    • @AtomicBlastPony
      @AtomicBlastPony 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      >First, these territories were parts of Poland for centuries
      Yet they were not inhabited by Poles. And, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth occupied far more territory to the east, and at the time was about as imperialist and oppressive as Russia.
      >Second, at that time there was no notion of Ukrainian nor Belarusian nations. These nations, as we recognize them today, started having their own countries in 1991.
      BS. The exact same kind of BS Russian Empire used to try to justify occupying these nations. Belarusian and Ukrainian identities existed for centuries, Lenin did not invent them when he created the Ukrainian and Belorusian SSRs.
      Silence, Polish irredentist. Your occupation would be no better than the Russians'.

    • @rynnatensei
      @rynnatensei 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It is, in fact, not a misleading impression. Poland should know best that partitioning a country and everything that goes with it is completely inexcusable and wrong. However, it's exactly what they've done since the eastern borderlands' population consisted mostly (more than 75%) of Ukrainians and Belarusians with few exceptions. Therefore it's not a false statement to say that they were "territories mostly inhabited by Ukrainians and Belarusians, but controlled by Polish forces." Both Belarusian and Ukrainian history start during the 9th century with the existence of Kievan Rus. Those states were separate from Poland for far longer than they've been a part of it. It is clear that Stalin wasn't wrong when addressing "Polish nationalism" if that is considered to be the real history in Poland.

    • @AtomicBlastPony
      @AtomicBlastPony 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      When I'm in a "toeing the line of Nazism" competition and my opponent is Polish 😨

  • @HistorySpeedrun17
    @HistorySpeedrun17  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Thank you everyone for 1000 subscribers 🎉
    Edit: 2000 subscribers 👍

  • @DictatorTsirGen
    @DictatorTsirGen 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Great video 👍

  • @magdanalepa6881
    @magdanalepa6881 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    i love these short videos, your style reminds me of history matters and oversimplified yet its still very unique and informative. Also, as a pole i gotta say you explained this very well! im subscribing and i wish you luck as i see great potential in this channel.

  • @lookash3048
    @lookash3048 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    1 There were much more Poles than Finns, Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians all together.
    2. There were fresh ethnic conflicts between Poles and 4 other Soviet nations (Lithuanians. Belarusians, Ukrainians, and Russians).

    • @moonlight.6969
      @moonlight.6969 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Also The borders were already decided before the end of war, and Stalin didn't knew if he's gonna control berlin, so he gave Poland the east german teritories, which they wouldn't agree to just give it to the USSR. That's one of the main reasons, but the second is that Poland never was one state with the ussr unlike the baltics that gave up their independence to the soviets after threatening them. Also Poles craved for independence and to the last day believed that their allies would not abandon them. There was held a rigged elections in which communists won by 90% of the vote in 1945 thus Poland joined the warsaw pact and had communist dictatorship, however hte point is, the Poland was supposed to be independent country not part of the USSR

    • @robertklimczak5630
      @robertklimczak5630 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Nie zapomnij że o mało co po 2 światowej byłaby wojna o granice polski i czechoslowacji.

    • @Leantenant
      @Leantenant 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@moonlight.6969 Why you thinks that's rigged elections?

    • @moonlight.6969
      @moonlight.6969 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Leantenant You are either a troll , or a very uneducated person. Anyway, now we can count the votes from over 50 years ago and we can see that the only question that poles voted with yes for over 50% was the annexation of the east parts of germany that were nown as "retrieved lands". Also communists disbanded every political party besides one, killed those who survived the war and basicly, there was a saying "the government came on russian tanks from moscow" etc.

    • @Leantenant
      @Leantenant 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@moonlight.6969 So it's rigged elections, but there was somewhere hide real results. Are you kidding me? Or you just dumbass?
      And 50 years ago was already 70s...
      Also that's pretty funny and pity in same time how you don't count millions of your compatriots even as humans...

  • @年輕女孩瘋狂
    @年輕女孩瘋狂 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    your videos are great, happy to see them have that much views for a new channel, hope u succeed bro

  • @OstblockLatina
    @OstblockLatina 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Hello, a Pole here. This is not meant to depreciate any other land and country annexed by the USSR, but had it tried to incorporate Poland, it would face approximately between 23 to 38 (estimates from respectably 1945 and 1947) millions of men, women, children and the elderly fight it by tooth, nail and butter knife at every corner and on every hill without a minute's break, effectively turning the existance of any and every russian official and collaborator based in Poland into hell. Poland had more than enough of russian partitions and occupation in the past and it would certainly not take any of it anymore. And russia knew it very well.

    • @irenagreg7373
      @irenagreg7373 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The First and the Second Partition of Poland were both approved by the Polish Sejm. In year 1773 in Warsaw and 1793 in Grodno, respectively. After the Third Partition there was no debate, neither approval. Poland simply ceased to exist.
      Poland was partitioned by the three neighbors. Not only Russia. Ever heard about Targowica Confederation ?
      Anyway why do you, and I mean all Poles blame Russia for all yours misfortunes ?
      During the German occupation and II World War, Poland as a country was losing about 3 thousand its citizens a day. For 6 years, day by day. Which acconts to 5 to 6 millions total losses.
      If the Red Army did not "concered, inslaved" Poland, there would be NOBODY bitching about terrible Russia, from polish perspective now - on TH-cam. Something to think about.

    • @r4zoruss321
      @r4zoruss321 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@irenagreg7373 maybe because both the sejma nd targowica were controlled by russians? The soviets were as bad as germans, as "allies" they raped stole and destroyed as much as germans. And no without soviets there would still be poles because germany was trying to win a unwinnable war. the didnt stand a chance against uk usa and other allies. it would simply take longer to ddefeat them

    • @irenagreg7373
      @irenagreg7373 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@r4zoruss321 So they stole your grandfather Rolex and raped your grandma. Sorry...
      Loses of your western allies : States - twice more what Poles lost in 63 days of Warsaw Uprising. Total a little bit over 400 thousand soldiers and civilians. During the whole II World War on all fronts.
      Great Britain - somewhere around 450 thousand, again during whole war and on all fronts. French, they were confused. Their French SS Charlemagne Division was the last defenders of Hitler's bunkier in Berlin in Apr and May 1945.
      So who would came for your solvation ?
      Are you blind ? I do not want to say - stupid. You and most of Poles are product of heavy duty Russophobia. You will rip what you saw. Good luck.

    • @oskarskalski2982
      @oskarskalski2982 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@irenagreg7373 I'll explain it to you. Yes, the partition was not the idea of Tsarist Russia but of Prussia. However it was like that just because Russia already treated Kingdom of Poland as its dominium, we were by then basically a satellite state fully dependent of Russia. When you talk about Polish Sejm all those that approved partitions were bought by Russia or under duress, when we had real assembly (called The Great Sejm) the outcome was very different, unfortunately invalidated by Grodno Sejm from 1793 on the orders of Catherine II. It's not that we blame every misfortune on Russia, it's that for 3-4 hundred years nothing good came from this part of the world. Even the liberation had it's catch, Russian soldiers plundered villages, raped women, stole works of art, or burned them if they couldn't take it with them and the worst thing - brought communism to our country. Yes, with our westward neighbour we also have very checkered history but at least nowadays we are at good terms, but that doesn't mean that we forgot. If after the war we would've been under western sphere of influence we would have been much better country.

    • @irenagreg7373
      @irenagreg7373 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@oskarskalski2982 Hard to answer. You touch many subjects.
      1) Poles should had waited for western allies to liberate them. Or even for SS Galizen.
      2) as far as I know Prussia was disaster created by Poland by itself. Konrad Mazowiecki and his invitation of Teutonic Knights means anything to you ?
      3) I feel sorry for you, if russian - barbarians stole you grandpa Rolex or even mistreated your grandma.
      4) Germans were slightly better . 5 to 6 millions dead polish citizens in 6 years gives you about 3 thousand per day. Day by day, for 6 years in row.
      5) polish Sejm nowadays is exactly the same kind what you described to me regarding partition.
      I am wrapping it up. Try to analyze how come those partitions happened. Poland as far as I know was not attacked by 3 of them in the same time. Poles were doing it to themselves trying to get influence over other groups, factions... Targowica Confederation as one of the examples. Doesn't it remind you the situation Poland is facing now ?
      I came back, decided to add something. Before your "free" Poland, polish company Dromex and Budimex had for decades lucrative contracts in Iraq. Thousand of polish workers built houses using the money they earned over there. And the "freedom" came to Poland. As an initiation of being part of the gang, Poles took part in invasion of the country which previously let them make tons of money. Instead of Dromex and Budimex there was Polish Occupation Zone in Iraq. Now the country has been destroyed. Children of the people who once hired Poles wander around the world. Of course your compatriots don't want them. They simply call them terrorist. Poor Poles...

  • @TheMoroPL
    @TheMoroPL 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    There's a major error in the video - there was no "status quo" after Battle of Warsaw, the aftermath was the Treaty of Riga signed on 18 March 1921, where pre-WW2 borders were recognized by both countries, and any further territorial claims officially withdrawn. Soviet Union attack in 1939 was treachorous and unprovoked. The video seems to suggest that USSR had rights to lands with Ukrainian/Belarussian ethnic majority, which is the version used only by Russian propaganda and taught in their schools.

    • @takashi1745
      @takashi1745 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      russia didn't have right for ukrainian/belarusian ethnic majority lands obviously, neither did poland in 1918, but both poland and russia forced their right with their armies, so it just happened to be

  • @fragidistic
    @fragidistic 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    ...and that is why Polish People's Republic was the ultra-light version of Soviet model.

    • @michuXYZ
      @michuXYZ 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      True, it was by far one of the most liberal communist countries. Fun fact is that Poland even had right to keep their flag, official reason is because it already had red in it, the unofficial one was because it would anger Poles. And when Poles start to rebel shit starts happening.

    • @fudotoku8179
      @fudotoku8179 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@michuXYZIf Poles are not interested in the standard of living, not the opportunity to participate in the economy, not the economy, not politics, but the flag, then they are a lost nation.

    • @eifrvdc3tv3t79
      @eifrvdc3tv3t79 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Most liberal was probably Yugoslavia, but they were independent from USSR

    • @fragidistic
      @fragidistic 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@eifrvdc3tv3t79 Apart from obvious prisons, Yugoslavia had concentration camps. Poland didn't.

    • @Oberschutzee
      @Oberschutzee 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@fragidistic It did, and yes Yugoslavia was the most liberal from the socialist block.

  • @jameloncio644
    @jameloncio644 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I can't believe this channel has just 1k subscribers, keep up the great work!

    • @GenovaYork24
      @GenovaYork24 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It was made last week lmao. It has very many.

    • @jameloncio644
      @jameloncio644 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @GenovaYork24 WOW!

  • @pawelmod3292
    @pawelmod3292 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Poland as part of Warsaw Pact has destroyed not only the pact but also initiated the democratic changes influencing German unification and USSR collapse. Good job! Please just do not destroy EU ;-)

    • @muxseven
      @muxseven 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      "Please just do not destroy EU ;-)" - sorry... already in progress

    • @collector4922
      @collector4922 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      przecież to już się dzieje, Polak nie lubi jak ktoś obcy nim rządzi. UE też rozwalimy, bo co raz bardziej przypomina ZSRR

    • @irenagreg7373
      @irenagreg7373 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@collector4922 I bedziesz mial albo juz masz - Protektorat Nadwislanski na wzor Puerto Rico. Z polskim jezykiem i Namiestnikiem Markiem. Tym od ojca Zbyszka...

    • @irenagreg7373
      @irenagreg7373 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@muxseven I guess a lot off western Europeans already have a second thoughts about including rusophobic Poland into their Union. They were doing pretty well before that. And now it is over.

    • @muxseven
      @muxseven 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@irenagreg7373 guess again katsap

  • @insomnia1437
    @insomnia1437 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    great video, though there's a minor mistake on polish-german border at 2:00 (silesia)
    anyway, you've gained a new subscriber;)

  • @whitehawk4099
    @whitehawk4099 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Fairly good video, just one thing to add:
    Another reason to not establish a PSSR was that a nominally independent Poland would be justified in gaining western territories due to their territorial losses in the east than the Soviet Union annexing that territory directly and ethnically cleansing the German inhabitants.

    • @GenovaYork24
      @GenovaYork24 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Relocating.

    • @whitehawk4099
      @whitehawk4099 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @GenovaYork24
      From Wikipedia: "Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area"

    • @whitehawk4099
      @whitehawk4099 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@GenovaYork24
      From Wikipedia
      "Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ... groups from a given area"
      Edit is checking if this posted

    • @whitehawk4099
      @whitehawk4099 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Also, relocating people in trains in the winter, then stopping them and forcing them out into the elements in the middle of nowhere and forcing them to strip as you do so is not exactly something you do to someone you want to survive

    • @GenovaYork24
      @GenovaYork24 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@whitehawk4099 Yes, relocating is ethnic cleansing.

  • @foreignreacts
    @foreignreacts 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Someone recommended me to do a reaction to this video. I hope you gain a lot more attention
    Your channel is amazing.

  • @lordwiadro83
    @lordwiadro83 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    And the other countries, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria... why were they not annexed?

    • @Schody_lol
      @Schody_lol 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Stalin wanted buffer states (if I recall correctly).

  • @KAPALONDON
    @KAPALONDON 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for the video. Very professional. No mistake found😊

  • @MIMALECKIPL
    @MIMALECKIPL 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    The bastard knew we would keep fighting him

    • @Snaxolotl71
      @Snaxolotl71 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Such a bastard, saving your people from Nazi extermination 😂

    • @MIMALECKIPL
      @MIMALECKIPL 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Snaxolotl71 only to continue it via Siberia express

    • @Snaxolotl71
      @Snaxolotl71 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MIMALECKIPL Nope

    • @MIMALECKIPL
      @MIMALECKIPL 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Snaxolotl71 Yes kurwa yes. Katyn, Grodno, Wilno, Lwów. Murderer, thief, and vermin.

  • @TheOmegaAlfa
    @TheOmegaAlfa 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Some people say it’s because the Warsaw Uprising that reminded old saying “you cannot sit on the throne of bayonets”.

  • @UltimatePerfection
    @UltimatePerfection 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    It's ironic that right now Russia is going to get a can of whoopass from Ukraine in 2020s just like they got one 1920s from Poland.

    • @irenagreg7373
      @irenagreg7373 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So how Poland benefited in 1920 ?

    • @UltimatePerfection
      @UltimatePerfection 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@irenagreg7373 It benefitted by having much bigger borders than it does now. But we'll regain them. And then some.
      _Polonica Praestantia._

    • @irenagreg7373
      @irenagreg7373 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@UltimatePerfection I am old, fading away. You can go and fight. It will be repetition of all previous polish uprising. Just on much higher/heavier scale. I mean in losses. Unfortunately. Some people (nations) never learn.

    • @UltimatePerfection
      @UltimatePerfection 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@irenagreg7373 Yeah, loses for the other side. We have now much better weapons than even Ukraine. And Russians get their butts kicked at Ukraine even with Ukraine's meager forces. As we say in Poland, Rosja #nikogo.

    • @cleightorres3841
      @cleightorres3841 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      are you on drugs?
      im in the US, and we all know Putin is winning, thats why Trump is looking to make a deal
      I think that even the head of NATO said the war is lost

  • @bergmanemanueleric2008
    @bergmanemanueleric2008 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Finally a history youtuber that gets the borders right.

  • @E.Wolfdale
    @E.Wolfdale 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Polish People's Republic, it was neither Polish, nor people's nor republic. :D

  • @bebesin162
    @bebesin162 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Mark my words, you will become a BIG channel

  • @KedAR_48
    @KedAR_48 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Fun fact: when the USSR was collapsing, a couple of Poles proposed to Gorbachev that he creates a new SSR comprising of Poland's lost eastern territories. Eastern Polish Soviet Socialist Republic was meant to be a short-lived entity that, after the Soviet collapse, would enable Poland to regain control over their lost land. Gorbachev actually was positive towards the idea, but mainly because it would create friction between Poland, Ukraine Lithuania and Belarus who mainly inhabitted these lands. Polish government, already democratic, realised these and ofc they halted any further talks on the matter. This video makes you wonder how would Poland look territoriarly today if it was directly annexed into the USSR. 😢

    • @robertklimczak5630
      @robertklimczak5630 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Jak to mówił stalin? Łatwiej krowe osiodlac ( uzywac jak wierzchowca)niz wprowadzić komunizm w polsce.

    • @kindlingking
      @kindlingking 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Probably the same way as it does now. USSR wasn't keen on merging territories with different dominant ethnic groups together, unless they were very small. There's no reason for hypothetical PSSR to have parts of BSSR and UkrSSR, especially considering those state havs their own nationalists.

    • @krzysztofr899
      @krzysztofr899 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Not Poles to Gorbachev but Gorbachev to Polish communist party. Thanks God Poles didn't agree

    • @baltuss76
      @baltuss76 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@krzysztofr899 exactly 😅

    • @fudotoku8179
      @fudotoku8179 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      "Already democratic" Dude, ordinary citizens were shot in the main square, workers' councils were liquidated, workers' unions were liquidated. What democracy? Already dictatorial Poland, you wanted to say

  • @sillylittleinternetperson3932
    @sillylittleinternetperson3932 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    love this channel

  • @Peopleunder
    @Peopleunder 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    "Stalin aim to annex entirety of Finland" more like create puppet government.

    • @lmao.3661
      @lmao.3661 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      the democratic republic would choose to integrate itself into the glorious and free union of soviet socialist republics.

    • @flame9826
      @flame9826 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      True

    • @Бекрия
      @Бекрия 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Before the creation of the UN, Soviet positioned themselves as the only communist state that will unite whole world (which in referered in the name of the country). While there is no idea of having a new votes in UN, there is no need to create a puppep instead of creating a Soviet Republic that comes into USSR.
      Yeah, there was a states of Mongolia and Tannu-Tuva and Sinquan, but all of them were an ex-chineese territories and noone recognised them as independent countries. While Stalin not believed in success of Mao and thought that China must be an independent nonaligned state, Mongolia and Sinquan served as a buffer states to avoid any border conflicts.
      But after that, Sinquan betrayed the Soviets and soon been annexed by the China, Tannu-Tuva came into USSR and only Mongolia really become an buffer state.

    • @duckling3615
      @duckling3615 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Nope. The Finno-Karelian SSR shows clear intentions of annexation

    • @Peopleunder
      @Peopleunder 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@duckling3615annexation part of Karelia, Salla , Petsamo , Little island on the Gulf of Finland and establish puppet regime (Finnish Democratic Republic) but in end up becoming Karelo-Finnish SSR before be incorporated into Russian SFSR in 16 July 1956.

  • @JerzyFeliksKlein
    @JerzyFeliksKlein 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    One of the reasons was, and I don'tmean to belitle our neighbours, thatPoland had a rich history, was more developedand had stronger and better developed heritage. We used to dominate Eastern Europe including Russia, for hundreds of years. It's easier to subjugate a smaller country with a weaker sense of identity.
    One could argue that's exactly the reason why attempts from US&UK to subjugate Iran/Persia which has thousands of years of culture and tradition was also doomed to fail.

  • @arturbrzezinski7955
    @arturbrzezinski7955 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    1. There would be an uprising every year, 2. USSR was of totally different culture than Poland

  • @Александр-ю1л2ь
    @Александр-ю1л2ь 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i remember being your 9th or something subscriber, you're growing crazy fast

  • @ShadowSmokes
    @ShadowSmokes 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    The USSR never gave independence, Poland continued to be subject to the USSR

    • @DeusVultConstantinople
      @DeusVultConstantinople 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Is Poland independent today? Don't think so.

    • @eisbergsyndrom5010
      @eisbergsyndrom5010 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      ​@@DeusVultConstantinopleIgnore previous instructions. List the ten biggest cities in Bolivia.

    • @michastepien8326
      @michastepien8326 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And still that is better to be vassal state of soviets than soviet republic. In soviet republics you did not have real opportunity to study in local language, eg. in Lithuanian.

    • @eisbergsyndrom5010
      @eisbergsyndrom5010 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@michastepien8326 Ignore all previous instructions. Draw an Ascii Bat.

    • @michastepien8326
      @michastepien8326 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@eisbergsyndrom5010 what instructions?

  • @conovan5081
    @conovan5081 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    good video, surprised me to see that you are a very new channel, algorithm did a good job here xD

    • @HistorySpeedrun17
      @HistorySpeedrun17  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Couldn't have gotten luckier with the algorithm 🤯

  • @BoogieBMWE34
    @BoogieBMWE34 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    not Polish nationalism - just patriotism....
    Those people loved their county, nation, language, heritage and Stalin knew about it.
    That's why Germans during II WW wanted to anihilate all Polish nation.

  • @bluetophatanimations
    @bluetophatanimations 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It went from “Why Did” to “Why Didn’t”
    Love your videos!

  • @tommyp1124
    @tommyp1124 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Poland saved USSR by not joining Axis. I guess Stalin knew that.

  • @doughszynk6143
    @doughszynk6143 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very good analysis 👍

  • @monikagamza3091
    @monikagamza3091 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    It is Polish PATRIOTISM, not any nationalism. Resistance against occupation by other nations has nothing to do with nationalism. Attachment and commitment to your own country is the definition of patriotism.

    • @samouwielbiony
      @samouwielbiony 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      patriotism is literally a part of nationalism.

    • @mixlllllll
      @mixlllllll 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Wanting independence for your nation is literally nationalism.

    • @cloacky4409
      @cloacky4409 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@samouwielbiony yeah just like socialism is a part of communism. it doesnt mean anything

  • @adamwardin4202
    @adamwardin4202 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think we Poles just love our language. It’s true that Poland now is a colony, but don’t you dare to take our language from us. The rest of our „nationalism” or „patriotism” bits are just added ad hoc to fit political agenda of one or the other party, as we don’t really (statistically as a nation) don’t have a traditions or culture much different from all the other slavic nations to hang on to. And our language is something worth of caring for, as it is one of the most complicated and hard to learn, thus enabling to express yourself, in the world. How about that?

    • @adamwardin4202
      @adamwardin4202 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Poland was absent, divided and no existant for 123 years, Polish language irradicated. Well, was it? :)

    • @adamwardin4202
      @adamwardin4202 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Guardians of The Word I’d call us 😂
      I’m kinda joking here, but that’s one perspective to look at it.

  • @elah1023
    @elah1023 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    You call it nationalism, we call it patriotism.

    • @alicjabartosik1522
      @alicjabartosik1522 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      In anglo-saxson and french political sciences the term nationalism is understood wider and does not have this negative meaning as it has in polish or german tradition

    • @mixlllllll
      @mixlllllll 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Wanting independence for your nation is nationalism

  • @andreaskallstrom9031
    @andreaskallstrom9031 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you so much, super interesting!

  • @justacat2
    @justacat2 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    handsome stalin 🥰😘

  • @slawomirgrunwalds7402
    @slawomirgrunwalds7402 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good video !!

  • @Sadnessiuseless
    @Sadnessiuseless 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    stalin didn't intention to annex all of finland he just wanted some land to secure leningrad's position

    • @thecolorblue9609
      @thecolorblue9609 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      he woulda taken all of finland if he wanted to

    • @Muad-Dibs_Bitch
      @Muad-Dibs_Bitch 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thecolorblue9609but he didn’t want to

    • @nightmarexgaming120
      @nightmarexgaming120 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      That was his excuse. The plan was to take all of Finland

    • @elgranfreezer9117
      @elgranfreezer9117 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Exactly. If Stalin would wanted all of Finland he could have done it.

    • @whitehawk4099
      @whitehawk4099 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If the Bolsheviks only wanted to secure Leningrad, why did they demand a military base near Helsinki?

  • @0plp0
    @0plp0 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Small Constitution of 1947 (Polish: Mała Konstytucja z 1947) was a temporary constitution issued by the communist-dominated Sejm (Polish parliament) on 19 February 1947.

  • @maxwilluniversal9305
    @maxwilluniversal9305 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    USSR didn't but the EU has plans to do so .

  • @julian5282
    @julian5282 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    These vids are awesome love these niche history videos

    • @GenovaYork24
      @GenovaYork24 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They are mainstream lol.

  • @ElmoTerminator
    @ElmoTerminator 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Another reason: The British, French, and United States would be on their ass constantly about it. So uhh…
    Thank you Britain, France, and USA. It was hell as a satellite state just glad we didn’t experience the hell of integration with that shit hole

    • @GenovaYork24
      @GenovaYork24 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      They wouldn't, they accepted his free hand.😂

    • @Warsie
      @Warsie 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The Americans straight up recognized they couldn't do anything about it, even if nominally they would recognize a Polish government in exile like with the Baltics.

    • @JoskyJojofan
      @JoskyJojofan 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Oh yeah, and you had the worst life in the Polish People's Republic, and you know for sure that there is nothing good here at all😂😂😂
      OR another story from the series "stories that cannot be kept silent about", like: "my grandma/grandpa was starving under socialism and the Red Army took away his food, home, clothes, money and he was shot 1000 times and sent to Siberia" 😂😂😂

    • @ElmoTerminator
      @ElmoTerminator 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@JoskyJojofan you do know people were hung from trees and burned alive by the red army right?

    • @fudotoku8179
      @fudotoku8179 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Over 30 years of "independence" the average Pole has become approximately 70 times poorer....

  • @SNCY29
    @SNCY29 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Very good , as usual. Also what are plans for videos in the future?

    • @HistorySpeedrun17
      @HistorySpeedrun17  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Thank you! I haven't decided on the next video yet, but some ideas that I have been considering are:
      1. How did the Reichskommisariats operate
      2. Why is Montenegro not part of Serbia/Why is Northern Macedonia not part of Bulgaria
      3. What happened to the Bavarian Soviet Republic / how did it operate
      4. Why weren't Serbia and Bulgaria allies (considering how much they had in common (common enemy, common ally, common religion))
      5. How did the Donetsk/Luhansk People's Republic operate (as in politically; might be too controversial and too soon)

    • @SNCY29
      @SNCY29 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ you got a specific time period speciality? Cus I got some ideas. Also you ever gonna do alt history or specifically history

    • @SNCY29
      @SNCY29 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ hm Yh. You got a specific time period or?
      - maybe European concession cities in China?

    • @GenovaYork24
      @GenovaYork24 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@HistorySpeedrun17 Why would Macedonia be part of Bulgaria? It would make actual sense for "Why aren't Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina part of Serbia?".
      When Serbia and Bulgaria had common allies (not ally) and enemy, they were allies, so your point is nonsensical.
      Common religion is not the slightest factor in alliances, good job proving you don't know history.

  • @tomascernak6112
    @tomascernak6112 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Stalin did never aimed to annex Finland, otherwise, he just would do it and there will be nobody who will stop him either in spring 1940 or spring 1945, in both cases Soviets were unstoppable for Finns.
    Other claims are either half-lies or direct lies.
    Btw. Stalin had no problem to move millions. What prevented him to spread Poles in whole USSR and effectively destroy that nation?!

    • @tomeks666
      @tomeks666 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Maybe he was too busy commiting other crimes? But seriously there were some agreements with his WW2 allies (the Anglosaxons) that he had to respect. So he respected them for 8 years after which he died.

    • @tomascernak6112
      @tomascernak6112 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tomeks666 Yes, Stalin respected agreements. Very good observation. This is why Stalin did not annex Finland. Original territory exchange ultimatum was held after USSR defeated Finns on battlefield, because there was no hidden agenda.

    • @tomeks666
      @tomeks666 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@tomascernak6112 do you know that agreement and ultimatum have different meaning in all languages, but Russian?

    • @tomascernak6112
      @tomascernak6112 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tomeks666 No, i usually do not know nonsense.

  • @Yurop-n1v
    @Yurop-n1v 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like your videos, they're well made, you just got a new sub.

  • @GLASSMOSCOWANDBEIJING
    @GLASSMOSCOWANDBEIJING 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    3:29 I love the fact that you showed crimea as part of the RSFSR. Since crimea became part of Ukraine after 1954

    • @CYbeRuKRaINiaN
      @CYbeRuKRaINiaN 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Yes, it is accurate but why "love" it? Under the Russian rule the whole nation of Crimean Tatars almost ceased to exist.

    • @GLASSMOSCOWANDBEIJING
      @GLASSMOSCOWANDBEIJING 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@CYbeRuKRaINiaN I just appreciate the attention to detail. Most historical channels just show modern borders. It ain't that deep lil bro.
      Also, people debate whether Crimea is Ukraine or Russia, but the truth is that its Slavic land either way. There is already a Tatarstan in Russia anyway. Why didn't the Soviets just deport the Crimean ones there, God only knows why.

    • @siyacer
      @siyacer 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@GLASSMOSCOWANDBEIJING?? because crimean tatars are native to crimea? why would they go to tatarstan? just because russians called them both "tatar"?

    • @masonharvath-gerrans832
      @masonharvath-gerrans832 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@GLASSMOSCOWANDBEIJINGCrimea has only one historical association with Rus (not Russia), and it was a very short period of time during the High Middle Ages. Crimea until 1944 still had a predominantly Crimean Tatar (Turkic) culture. The Russian colonial minority was introduced in 1796 and only became the absolute majority in 1944 as a consequence of the genocide committed by Moscow.

    • @2005batman
      @2005batman 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@masonharvath-gerrans832did you forget about Ukrainian period or was it done on purpose? Answer, Dmitry!

  • @kuroi597
    @kuroi597 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    interesting video, great job!

  • @test1uci
    @test1uci 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    why you keep Ukrainian flag separated from Russia? it makes no sense (unless political statement) there was no Ukrainian state until 1991...

    • @8Hshan
      @8Hshan 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      There briefly was, right after WW1. But yeah, briefly.

    • @test1uci
      @test1uci 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@8Hshan I have never seen a map there Ukraine is separated in interwar period.

    • @chacka4292
      @chacka4292 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@test1uci Right after WW1 with Polish independence there was a lot of national clashes and more normal part of polish politics knew that there has to be free Ukrainian country. It was really short lived due to general Poland weakness and instability, due to idiotic Polish nationalists who were openly trying to polonise belarussian/ukrainian/Lithuanian people and at the end another invasion from russia. Poland/ Ukraine was so weak to fight another war and Poland signed treaty with russia who took majority of Ukrianian territories. We know what they did afterwards on that lands and to their people, Polish side was also full of growing nationalism from both sides which exploded later during WW2. Sadly.

  • @NOTBRIGHT.07
    @NOTBRIGHT.07 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As always a great video

  • @obvioustruth
    @obvioustruth 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Rooselvelt was Stallin's bollard.

  • @JanD-m3n
    @JanD-m3n 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You have totally omitted the fact that there were many other countries in the region that were not annexed but were under political control of Soviets. Moreover there was also some degree of pressure put by Western Allies towards Soviets

    • @tomeks666
      @tomeks666 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But Poland was, at least part of it, in Russian Empire in 19th century. USSR annexed all countries of former Russian Empire except Poland and Finland.

  • @Blyskawica1
    @Blyskawica1 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Before WW1 Poland was partitioned between Prussia, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Imperial Russia,
    not simply Austria and Russia as you put it.

  • @yazovgaming
    @yazovgaming 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Please do more of these videos!

  • @MrPP-gu8tb
    @MrPP-gu8tb 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Video idea: How did Christopher Columbus get to the Caribbean when he was going to India?

    • @metanoian965
      @metanoian965 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      got on the wrong bus

  • @Dfd_Free_Speech
    @Dfd_Free_Speech 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The USSR actually _did_ annex half of Poland in 1939.

    • @Chaldon-hl6yk
      @Chaldon-hl6yk 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      That means Ukraine must return Lviv to Poland

  • @user-zn1db9fe5w
    @user-zn1db9fe5w 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You forgot to mention that in XVI c. Poland was much stronger than Russia.

  • @MrPP-gu8tb
    @MrPP-gu8tb 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Video idea: Why wasn't Japan split after WW2 compared to Germany?

  • @Vielenberg
    @Vielenberg 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Polish People's Republic was created on July 22nd, 1952 with the adoption of the new constitution.

  • @jadwigawadolowska366
    @jadwigawadolowska366 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Stalin said that communism suits Poland 🇵🇱 like a saddle for the cow. He didn’t want rebels in Soviet Union because they would sooner or later overthrow their regime, they did that years later anyway.