Why Nobody Believes The Greatest Myth In Baseball History
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The fact you thing The Great OG’s were not as strong is just ridiculously hilarious.
Weights strength does not even step to the natural farm strength those guys had from growing up in a way you goofballs can’t even comprehend.
As you get a little more life experience you may hopefully finally get it.
The fact you think David Ortiz held Ruth or Williams jock is hilarious
THOSE OLD STADIUMS HR’s WERE FURTHER THAN ANYTHING PAPIS EVER HIT.
This is your worst take video.
Did you realize he was flying planes and pulling g's with low oxygen. That would go a really long way as to explain how he could have hit a ball that distance
Now I am
@@InTheTrenches. Get ready for tomorrow...
@@CSDonohue11 You are hilarious. Calm down, boomer.
Fenway is actually in quite a few video games other than fallout. You got MLB The Show 21, MLB The Show 22, MLB The Show 23, and MLB The Show 24 just to name a few
Shut up
Underrated comment
MVP 2005
Yo yankee are you that one Roblox TH-camr that played with dimer
MLB 99
An article on the MLB app that other day basically proved it to be possible.
When the hit occurred the stadium had a far lower structure meaning the accessibility to wind would happen a lot earlier today.
News reports the next day reported damaging high winds that blew in the right direction to be behind the batter.
Stratcast calculated that the hit on the day = totally achievable.
Don't forget the part of the article that indicates based on the weather data from that day and the physical factors of the ballpark in that era, Ted's homer likely went FARTHER than the "myth" states.
0:15 You didn’t have to do the White Sox like that 💀
They deserve it with the way they are playing this yea
@kielmaguire5121 that 05 team had better pitchers than the whole MLB does now, so did the Astros for that matter. As an Astros fan that series killed me, went to the 2nd game in Houston I'm blessed to have seen that pitching duel but man it killed me to know clemens and Pettit weren't untouchable as a young kid 🤣
@@profligatepassages you are very right. The 2005 white Sox were a unicorn. Barely used their bullpen the whole playoffs. But what does that have to do with this season and how much they suck?
@@kielmaguire5121 it doesn't really other than I am very glad they suck and hope for another 80 year gap in their world series lol
@@profligatepassages fair enough
"Players weren't as strong as today..." Yet, for some reason, the fences keep being moved in over the last 40 years.
That’s not the reason. It’s because they want to ruin baseball and have every player hitting 50 home runs even if theyre not a home run hitter. Its stupid
@@Tampafan33 I'd rather see the fences moved back. More runners on base means a more exciting game-- and maybe we can see a triple once in a while.
The first players of any sport aren’t as good as today. Athletes actually train to do these specific tasks now. Today’s athletes also have to play against more aggressive and planned out strategies and innovations.
Not trying to completely discount historical athletes, but today’s players eat, breathe, and sleep the one thing they are good at.
Check out the dimensions of the NY Polo grounds. Wild
RE: the strength of old ball players, I hear that argument a lot, but bear in mind there is footage of Williams et al. clearing the 420 ft center field wall. Those old guys had strength in their own way. They won WWII after all.
They had power and the wood of the bats in those days wear mucht harder
Them old school players had working strength.
Working strength is different than working out for a specific thing.
Old school bats that some players used were also heavier. Not sure about Teddy for sure, but look up TH-cam videos of Babe Ruth's bat. Thing makes current bats look tiny. The extra weight would definitely increase batted ball distance
@@dbekosckeMost of Babe Ruth’s home runs came from in the hands. Baseball gloves didn’t exist then either. Not only that, but he was doing this during the Dead Ball Era. Goddamn freak of nature
It was going great until you said "they won World War II". You could have just said they fought in the war and sound less ignorant.
It’s more likely than Mickey Mantle’s 565’ home run. That’s more absurd than Williams hitting it 500’
No the mickey homer is believable. No way Ted Williams hit a 500 footer
How about they both had a one-off moonshot. The type of home run that leaves the barrel of the bat, like a golf ball.
If Altuve could hit a 449ft home run at 5'6" 165 Lbs, Ted Williams could hit a 502ft HR at 6'3" & 205Lbs
yeah but the main thing is that the seat isnt 502ft away. If this homers only myth was that it went 502 i really doubt many people would think its fake or even care. Its more about the red seat, and the fact that it is impossible to hit. like the video said ortiz went out in batting practice with an aluminum bat and couldn't do it , and hes also 6'3 but is 230lbs
You missed the point. In order for Ted to hit “the red seat” he would’ve had to hit the ball at a projected 530 feet.
Ohtani just had a 118.7 mph homerun that went 450 feet. I can believe Williams hit a 119 mph homerun that went 500 feet. Williams was one of the greatest hitters could of done it.
launch angle and wind are big factors, a 10mph wind can lengthen a home run by 25-40 feet.
@@josephwirks7148the video states the wind was 20 mph so he is absolutely capable of hitting it that far with wind assistance.
Question…. Would the velocity of pitchers be a factor? Clearly today it’s faster than years past that’s just evolution of a sport and humans.
@@Gixsir yes that is for sure a factor. I was at the kingdome when Mark Macwire hit a randy Johnson fastball about 480. Longest home run I have ever seen live. But you couldn't hit a Jamie Moyer 82 mph fastball 480 indoors like that.
My guess is that Williams did hit a ball near the area, but it was probably put farther back than it actually was hit for publicity.
406 club was not built until 1989 the ball use to really carry in Fenway . Also that day Ted Williams hit that ball the wind was 25mph it's all facts look it up
Facts? What are those?
@@keithplumley5243 things that didn't exist because no one likes to research then make videos on TH-cam to look dumb
The greatest myth is that the owners want to speed up the game for the fans when they only want more commercial time.
This seat is actually well within some of the longest homers ever hit. Not really that hard to believe. It might be harder to reach since they put the big press box etc behind home plate and home runs are down, but don’t forget you’re talking about perhaps the greatest hitter the game has seen.
I guarantee Mo Vaughn had more raw power than Ted Williams. If he says it’s impossible to hit the red seat, I’ll take his word for it. Remember the Red Seat is 502 feet away from home plate, but the projected distance would need to be significantly more to actually hit it.
The way you transition into telling people to hit the subscribe button is always smooth never fails 😂😂
Adam Dunn once called a shot in 2003. He pointed foul right field upper deck. The very next pitch he fouled it to that exact spot, then struck out on the next pitch. He was a Legend.
That’s what you call an all time Sports Center Not Top Play nominee.
502 ft isn't a totally outrageous distance. CJ Cron, Miguel Sano, Stanton, Ken Griffey have all hit balls that far before. I mean it's crazy far but not unbelievable for a legend at all.
You missed the point. The projected distance of the ball would’ve needed to be over 530 feet in order to actually hit the red seat.
That ball went farther than my dad did when he said he was going out for cigarettes when I was 5…. ☠️☠️☠️
It's an absolute fallacy to think men weren't as strong back then. They were probably stronger. They had higher levels of testosterone and did more physical work
I got a bit of a laugh when he said that lo, Ted was 6'3 205lbs, I am sure all of that was pure muscle too.
@@MattW30356 I'm 6'6 and 300 lbs from lifting my whole life. I remember being around some of the guys from that generation in the gym. Even though they were old by then, they were a different breed of strong altogether
Also, look at Griffey. He was never a big, strong guy but could destroy a baseball
Olympic Stadium in Montreal had a seat painted Pirates gold to commemorate a 535 foot moon shot Pittsburgh legend Willie Stargell hit their in 1978. Classy tribute to a classy man.
Veterans Stadium also had a star for Stargell who also hit the furthest HR there.
The Yankee Doodle mascot is the best piece of baseball history
Can we get a video on Salvy Perez? He’s having another all star caliber and silver slugger year in KC. He really should be a bigger sports celebrity.
My grandfather met the pitcher that gave up that home run and he said that Babe was pointing at something in the outfield.
Ted Williams was better than David Ortiz. Maybe that’s why he could hit it farther than him.
You're a fool, bud.
IT WAS A STEEL BAT
Yep, rumors, they do grow! When I was a kid in grade school there were rumors that Babe Ruth once hit a home run that went half way into New York City and that his bat was 52 inches long.😂
The most unbelievable thing in that story is that that guy in the newspaper was 56 years old. He was not a day younger than 75.
LOL, I was like...there's no way that dude is 56. 65 at the very least.
@@chrisjuliano3964 People aged faster back then
“The science doesn’t back it up” after just explaining how a physicist proved its possible just unprovable.
Uh oh the salty wed sox fan got his feewings huwt
Ofc ur mad ur a Red Sox fan 💀
@@ayezz2811 lmfao love it
I once sat in the upper deck at the old Shea Stadium for a Mets game, I got up to get a hot dog, or for whatever reason, I wasn't sitting in the seat, when I came back my dad and brother in law told me a ball was hit to them and bounced off the seat I just vacated. I think later on the player who hit the ball wanted the seat painted, but didn't know which seat it actually was, the player said "just paint any seat up there, what's the difference."
a good yarn. Thanks for spinning it.
You should do a video about the shortest player ever to play MLB??
3' 7" ....Mr. Eddie Gaedel 😂
That'll make an interesting video!
baseball doesn’t exist did that
@@tloud600 Baseball doesn't exist? Is that a TH-cam channel?
@@jlawhonestmusic6565yes
@@jlawhonestmusic6565yep, he does breakdowns like these but usually does it while also showing and comparing data to prove the point to his video. Very cool channel.
Harder to believe is that it was 17 degrees in June.
They probably meant 17 degrees Celsius
@@ibrown3KC - Probably. Makes more sense.
@@jjwats12 thats still only 62 degrees. I know new england is cold but that still seems cold for June.
“A lack of evidence” despite a primary source who touched the ball. A “cartoonish” story despite photographic evidence that the ball knocked a hole in his hat.
Your standard for evidence invalidates basically any historical record predating the internet.
One variable that wasn't mentioned was the structure behind home plate was very different. The structure behind home plate affects or restricts airflow which would carry the ball less if the wind behind home plate was pushing towards right field. And Ted Williams is often mentioned as the best hitter for power and average who ever lived. Thanks for making the video and teaching the younger generations about this.
I was gonna say that I heard someone point out that there were far fewer tall buildings around Fenway which could have affected the distance, I have no idea how valid that is though
I had part season tickets in section 42, row 32, for close to 20 years. The farthest up I ever saw a ball hit was row 21 by Trot Nixon. That was a one time only event. It's very rare for any ball to hit past row 10 or so.
You must know that “buffed” or being Big itself does not translate to how far someone can hit the ball, presuming one is a ballplayer who can hit of course. Ted’s, Swing and technique can be studied and studied and still is , it is a marvel to watch. You will notice a big difference in the way his swing goes through the zone and most modern players. I am not saying he hit it that far, no one can say definitively if it did but there must be some reason why the press claimed it went that far..they did not even have a good relationship with Williams! Maybe it just got in the wind?
If you shook his hand in the 1980s, you would have known that Ted Williams was a very strong man for his stature. He hit just 34 fewer home runs than Ramirez and 20 fewer than Ortiz. But those guys played for 5 full seasons that Williams missed while serving in WWII and Korea as a fighter pilot (John Glenn's wingman). Over 700 games he did not get an at-bat in. He also played in an era where Detroit, Cleveland and other parks were much larger than the typical park today.
He never hit that seat, but he hit more HR per at-bat than either Ramirez or Ortiz.
Home runs have been hit further ,so I think Williams did hit 502 .
Personally I’ll take Wrigley Field over Fenway Park but I’d take either over any of the modern parks. But the ivy, being smack dab in the middle of a neighborhood, and with the renovation that the Rocket’s family did to even save ALL of the original Ivy, built a top of the line clubhouse underground so they could have state of the art training area, batting cages, move the outside warm up areas for closers where they always had to have someone standing behind the pitcher warming up during the game so he wouldn’t get clocked by a line drive, and to be in the batters box that still has the same home plate that Ruth supposedly was standing over when he made the “called shot,” it’s just incredible that wealthy fans bought this team and put their money where their mouth was and saved Wrigley Field which is also a National Landmark is just special in and of itself. My two favorite parks and I’d love to play Boston in the World Series. Two great parks in reality. Two storied franchises too. I suppose I’m just a homer to the bone. I’m not a White Sox fan but I was when we got Carlton Fisk from Boston who lived no more than a 1 1/2 miles from our home and I passed by it nearly everyday. It was set far back of the road and it was just so cool. (But I’m back to not liking the White Sox) But that park is in a DANGEROUS AREA AND I MEAN DANGEROUS!
You claimed scientists looked at that day and saw 19 MPH winds along with the proper angle and exit velocity, it could happen. I don’t know why it’s hard to imagine. I love Big Papi but a scientist he’s not to take him at his word. If today’s hitters are “so much better”, then why has it been 83 years since someone batted over .400? Give the old dudes some credit! Joey Meyer in 1987 in AAA hit a 582 foot homer. It’s on video. And you listed Mo Vaughn who did hit one 505’ in Shea Stadium in 2002. And David Kingman hit a 530’ at Wrigley in 1976. How come Mark Grace, Ernie Banks, Sammy Sosa, Ryan Sandberg, or Andre Dawson never hit one that far in Wrigley? I totally believe that Williams could do it under the right conditions.
Fallout 4 is getting its next gen update release in a few hours so this video has some pretty coincidental timing. You can paint the Green Monster blue if you want to screw up a sidequest objective
The younger generations don't believe anything they haven't personally seen or experienced or can Google. And I think the Bambino hit one even longer than Ted's.
I believe it once in a lifetime events are hard to believe because its so rare
As a fan who likes to go to as many stadiums as possible, I visited Fenway in 2017 when I was in my late 50s. I walked around the park as I usually do. I didn't know if it was true but it was awesome to look at. I laughed and doubted but, at the same time kept respect for childhood dreams, at bowed to the marker of history. It didn't hurt that I had, as SO. CA native visited Ted's Little League playground in San Diego and worshiped Ted in San Dioego's Little Italy. I saw "Papi" hit a home run and I have only seen the same reaction at bat with Reggie Jackson and Ohtanie. Worth it to be a t Fenway no matter what. So what if Ted's HR is not real? I love Ortiz and Fenway.
The best baseball TH-camr there is right now. Every video you put out I learn something new about the game I love.
Facts and he’s a Red Sox fan which is even better
@@eliteproductions835 ehhh that’s the only thing I will hold against him 😂
@@eliteproductions835 an pirates
An baseball isn’t dead ❤ but
He is best everyday for sure
The bats back then were much heavier with larger barrels than today's bats too though. The Baseball Bat Bros actually do an interesting video on this using replica bats of Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, etc and demonstrating the difference in how the ball accelerates off the bat. I have no doubt they were able to hit some moon shots with enough practice with those bats.
Three weeks ago I took my two grandsons ages 10 and 8 to Fenway. We sat in section 41. Got there early and went right to the red seat and took their picture sitting in the adjacent seats. Told them the story. They are 5th generation Red Sox /Fenway fans. I first went with my grandfather in 1958 at age 6. Still a fan and go frequently. My grandfather was there opening weekend 1912 and at the 1918 World Series.
Great topic.
Growing up on the west coast (as a Padres fan), but as a lifelong baseball fan, it’s been ages since I’d heard about this “myth”.
More please.
He did it bro. Were talkin Teddy ballgame here.
I had a feeling this would be the video. Glad it was.
Next, another Ozuna video. It’s been almost a week since the last one. You can even mention Travis Day Areee No
You forgot about the fact that he would’ve had to “pull” the ball 502’. Physics tells us that your furthest distance will come when the ball is hit directly toward centerfield (hence the fences are deeper in center then in left and right fields). This further disproves the 502’ HR.
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The temperature that day was 78 for a high 56 for a low,not 17 degrees,I don't know if that 17 is Celsius but even if it is I have to correct.
“The Marine Corpse”?! C’mon, brother.
I said it wrong. He was in the Marines. Point stands
Williams did not see combat as an AAF pilot in WWII so he as a state side trainer he didn't "come back" from the war. Ted did dee action as a pilot in Korea.
Williams was a Marine pilot, not Army, and he ended the war in Hawaii, which was not stateside at the time.
He was actually a Navy pilot at first then transferred to the Marines but you are right he didn't see action until Korea.
@@jdotoz Hawaii was a US territory and not a combat posting by the end of the war.
@@Snoopydad I said what I said.
Italk, you should make a video on your division and postseason predictions
Top 5 longest HR’s in history:
1.) Josh Gibson 580 Ft. Yankee Stadium
2.) Babe Ruth 575 ft. Nevin Field
3.) Mickey Mantle 565 ft. Griffith Stadium
4.) Reggie Jackson 539 ft. Tiger Stadium
5.) Willie Stargell 535 ft. Olympic Stadium
Why is it so hard to believe that the greatest hitter of all time hit a HR over 530 feet? This is just a dumb argument.
I wonder if there's radio commentary from the game in the vault somewhere concealing the answer to the immortal question.
I’m just throwing this out there but a highschooler hit a 500ft homer his name was Bryce Harper and I mean I could see the best hitter baseball has ever had in TW smashing one close to 502ft but it’s still one hell of a stretch.
Yeah it's a nice story but there's almost no way it's true. Baseball fans believe a lot of myths without researching it. Such as the tide goes to the runner, the called shot, and many many many many many many many many many many many many many supposed distances of home runs back in the day. They also think that Ted Williams had a 600 ft home run because the ball hit the ground bounced and rolled and where people picked it up after rolled down the street, they think that that's how far it went in the air. In addition to that we used to be horrific at guesstimating the distance of home runs. For example a small group of physicists did a study that was basically the myth of the 500 ft home run. Not saying that there weren't any, but they investigated some of the longest home runs from the 90s and figured out the accurate distance compared to the estimations. For example Jose canseco's 540 ft home run was about 443 Mark mcgwire's 540 ft home run or 538 ft home run I don't recall which of them hit 540 in which of them hit 538, only went about 475 ft give or take. It was still a bomb but it was far less than the estimated distance. Andres galarraga hit one in Florida that was 528 and the real distance was about 470. Mark McGwire hit one in St Louis to dead center and I forget how far it was but it was under 500 ft. They actually figured out the launch angle and bat speed that the ball would have had to be hit at in order to reach the distance that they estimated and it would have had to have been hit somewhere around like 150 plus miles per hour. There's a reason why with statcast, we never see these 530 ft home runs anymore. It's not because the guys don't hit a ton because look at guys like Stanton and judge. They hit the ball as hard and as far as anyone in the 90s and they've barely grazed 500 ft.
Didn't know Fenway was in fallout 4, but i just started playing the fallout games so now i'm excited
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What about the material the ball was made of that Ted hit? Maybe it was idk More bouncy ?
If video footage is your baseline, then… Lincoln never got shot, Washington never crossed the Delaware, Brutus never stabbed Julius, “Let there be light!”, etc, etc etc. get my point?
I think the biggest
myth in baseball history is the 2004 alcs ( I’m a Yankees fan )
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I remember learning about this while on a tour of Fenway
Your dad comment was hilarious
Now this video was creative thinking!! How far did Barry Bonds ever hit one at Fenway?
It's crazy to think 502 ft is too far for any MLB player to hit considering the fact I remember hearing about Mike Stanton hitting one over 502 ft before. I think it was 514 ft...🤔
Hell, I don't know! It's just crazy to believe 502 ft hasn't reached or exceeded. Especially, throughout the entire juicy juice 💪 era!
Another myth that you could talk about is Babe Ruth’s 700ft home run
Ted Williams hit 521 homers. Fenway still exists, and most of the other parks he hit in would have had larger dimensions than current parks. I don’t doubt he could hit a 500 ft homer. 530? Probably not
My guess is he hit like 480 and it bounced or something so they said he hit it there pretty interesting either way
He hit one over the roof of Old Comiskey Park. It was not a hitters park like Wrigley. Enough said.
Yooo that joke about your dad hahaha
5:57 this is a really valid point, but its also Ted Williams. Maybe the greatest hitter of all time. It's hard to believe, but it's also hard to doubt Ted Williams
Nobody tell Corbin from RedSeatRadio!
Corruption by gambling interests was rampant in baseball; it wasn't just the 1919 World Series that gangster Arthur Rothstein allegedly fixed. In the wake of the collapse of the Federal League, wherein major league player salaries had been bid up by the competing leagues, there was a temporary glut of experienced players whom the owners, who were typically quite miserly, paid little. Generally, the owners refused to at least prorate the salaries of their players when they won the pennant and got to play in the World Series; hence why the players had to resort to strike threats in order to get paid SOMETHING for their trouble. This certainly wasn't "greed", in a lot of instances, players had "regular jobs" that they were expected to go back to, or family businesses, especially farms, and the World Series does happen during HARVEST. There's no strong evidence of any fixing of the 1918 World Series between the Red Sox and the Cubs, the last one that Babe Ruth appeared in as a Red Sox, simply an offhand remark a few years later by accused "Black Sox" participant Ed Cicotte.
Very well done nice job
Ref Ortiz and the aluminum bat.
If you don't hit the ball at THAT PRECISE angle, it won't carry as far.
I went 10 years ago when I was 18.. sat in right field and didn't know about the seat til like 4 years later 😢
A little known fact: The Boston Red Sox has a challenge, any player that hit's a homerun ball to that exact seat will have a donation of $502 K in his name to a charity or organization of his choice 👍
Anyone who believes a ball has traveled farther than 510 feet isn't thinking rationally.
i believe it, a long home run on a windy day in an old part
Great video
I believed it. Until my dude Ortiz said he couldn’t. Still love the game, the Bosox, Big Papi,Williams, Fenway and the red seat tho
By your logic nothing in human history really happened before cameras existed
I believe the distance. Ted Williams had that war time testosterone flowing, plus all the physical training and lightning quick do or die eye hand coordination. Pitcher said he was trying. Probably threw a good one which is why he has so pissed. Plus wind?
it happened, longest homerun I ever seen and Ted could have ripped your arms out and hit a homerun with each of them.
There's a myth in your analysis itself. It has been proven that pitch velocity has virtually no effect whatsoever on how far a batted ball goes. Far, far, far more important is bat speed.
The wind played much more of a factor in the Ted Williams' day than it did in David Ortiz's day. Back then the stands behind home plate were way lower- there wasn't that giant ugly green press box thing up there. Any wind from the southwest could have easily carried the ball a significant distance further. Also the "cartoonish" nature of the story isn't a good enough reason to dismiss it. Sometimes weird things happen. The guy was sitting in that spot and he was hit on the head by a baseball that cut a hole in his hat. It was in the newspaper the next day. Why would anyone just make up a story like that from a random game in the middle of the 1946 season? Isn't it more likely that one of the greatest hitters in baseball history hit a ball that got pushed by a freakishly strong wind?
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U post this every time lol ur prob a salty baseball content creater
@@ihatesnowflakes2537 I did this once buddy y u so mad
Bro went from glazing to hating
So you admit that you’ve posted this more than once 😂 L
Someone has better bring some stat cast equipment so they can measure it if anyone does make a time machine
They ran the details through strat cast the other day. It proved it.
its actually false people are stronger today. Just look at the 1940s military fitness tests, even people who hit the gym and are in top 2% fitness cant pass the bar for the average person back then.
They worked hard physical work their entire lives, we sit inside tapping away at computers. Most of the excess in performance we see from athletes over time isn't strength or anything like that, just better equipment. Jessie Owns ran the 100m dash in 10 seconds in crappy shoes on a cinder track with no starting blocks.
He flushed the temp. Of that day. "17"
A fan just got hit in the head on a homerun this week.
06:00 Explain Jim Thorpe then, oh all knowing wonder wizard.
I don’t know for sure but maybe the balls back then flew better than they do now. But then again I feel like other guys would be hitting bombs too
I cannot believe in a myth, if I never heard one.
Don't forget that Ted Williams is the greatest hitter in MLB History.
Wanna see some LONG ASS HOME RUNS? Lower the MOUND from 10 to SIX INCHES and raise the STRIKE ZONE up to THE SHOULDERS.
They can dispute whatever they want about Ted’s home run, but they can’t dispute about his 406 batting average. No one ever finished the season hitting 400 in 83 years. Mr.Padres came close but no cigar.
There are a few players that I'd want to watch supercuts of their at bats for and Ted Williams is one of them.
And if you had film evidence you would say the bat or ball was doctored, or the film was phony.
Just defrost Teddy and ask him! Well, ask his head at least...
Thought it was the location where is frozen head is 😅
If the yankees can have babe calling his shot, we can have ted's mammoth shot.
White Sox are 3-19 and still catchin 20 year old strays