I can just imagine two brothers, each of which found a different method of immortality, that just bicker back and forth from two sides of the city’s underbelly for eternity.
@shadows2468 a team fortress 2 inspired evil campaign where you're mercenaries working for a lich, who wants you to destroy his lich brother's stuff would be great, the DM would have to create rivals for the party. Eventually its revealed that there's a 3rd lich brother with an army of undead who is effectively the campaign's bbeg, forcing the party and their rivals to team up, but eventually lose, with both their employer's phylacterys being destroyed. The party is then hired by a 4th lich, who wants them to fix her phylactery. It turns out that the bbeg is also having the same issues with his phylactery, putting the 2 in a race to acquire the resources needed to repair them. The bbeg hires a band of old mercenaries to compete against the party, the leader of these mercenaries hijacks the bbeg's phylactery and attains lichdom, forcing the party to fight him.
Can't cast verbal spells, Mind Spike is a great final fuck-you to a villain who thinks that Silencing the party will make their Teleport exit a flawless departure. Never fails to surprise the DM when you say "Somatic component only".
@@TheGregamonster Depends. Given the way the spell works, each target would believe you only questioned one person because you'd keep replacing your accusation with something innocuous. So, to the perspective of the killer, you were monologuing about something else then accused them out of the blue. If the person can keep their cool, yes, they might play it off as a baseless accusation, but when you KNOW someone is trying to figure you out and they seem to effortlessly deduce your guilt, that can be pretty rattling. I'm not sure if you'd say "How did you know?", but you might be caught off guard enough to give away some good visual or audio clues.
The migrating clone jars could actually be a fascinating plot hook. Like, this is how you could hook your high-level player into a brand new thread: Suddenly, as they emerge wet and naked from their canopic jar, the PC sees an ancient Bronze dragon looming over them. "Negotiation," the dragon growls.
PC: "Well, I feel like this negotiation has started with a definite lean on the power balance. Perhaps we can begin with providing me some clothes or a sheepskin so I can stop dripping on your floor while we have our discussion?"
@@Tiyev nah they are probably trying to find their missing party member who didn't show up to a planned group meeting or something cause they were in a dragons hoard
"If you have my canopic jar, I can assume you have every single other item in my possession. Only, half of them are cursed and the other half were cursed by me, so that sounds like a good place to begin."
I could imagine a spell like this being pretty useful during sessions where interrogations may come into play. Being able to backpedal on certain areas to lead a conversation to the desired outcome. Granted, that is highly dependent from moment to moment, but I could see it being used still.
"Salutations!" "Hello!" "You poisoned the king, and we know it!" "How dare you! GUA-" "Salutations!" "Good Morning!" "The poison was Blackspielnd!" "What was?" "Salutations!" "Greetings..." "Lord Jhioere has commanded you undo the poison, now!" "Wait, you know?! He told me to do what!?" "And he said the Prince Rewbdiout must be released and moved to the oxcart behind the east-westling corridor." "But we dont have the Prince...Hey!-" "Salutations!"...
Imagine an interrogation where the interrogators walk in, stare intently at you for about half an hour in complete silence, then they walk out having gathered every single bit of info they needed
@@tiggerbiggo That's horrifying. I love it. 😁 Just imagine an NPC who developed this reputation, too. You could introduce him as some strange, mysterious threat - as though he were a straight-up mind-reader. Rumors would spread about the source of his unholy power - the power to get information out of the best liars and diplomats in the world. Nobody knows how he does it, but he gets more information than the best spies and torturers in the land. That leads the public to suspect that what he does is worse than torture. People would be terrified of him - ESPECIALLY powerful people with something to hide. He could make quite a name for himself that way.
I had an idea to play a Fey Bard with the criminal background, the idea was that this Fey used Fey magic to create binding contracts with people, and since Fey cannot lie, everything in the contract (at least on the Fey's end) would be true to the letter. Since my character cannot willingly tell a lie, when seeing this, I just had the thought that Gift of Gab could be used in so many ways by my potential character to stay within the bounds of telling the truth but also be able to hide information away from people. For example: I'm talking to a guard and they go "state your business" and I go "I have an invitation from the lord, I'm to meet him here to discuss some things." and he goes "Is that everything?" and I go "Yes, that is my business (but it is not everything) [May I go in now?]" - By replacing the Parenthesis with the Brackets I can effectively hide information while still telling the truth, as long as I'm clever in how I use it.
I think the words replaced by the spell just get erased from the target's memory, along with, maybe, the time in which they were said. Then the brain just cobbles together a plausible story for the missing time. Our brains do stuff like that constantly. It's honestly scary how much time we lose without ever noticing.
Absolutely. Our brains are constantly dumping massive quantities of information every second of every day (admittedly, mostly useless stuff like perceiving the same inanimate object that's been in a spot for 8 months, hence why it's easy to overlook something in familiar surroundings). The brain is finite, and the stimuli being thrown at us infinite. It has to be choosy about what it processes, and what it lets fall by the wayside. It's also constantly altering things in subtle ways. Like removing a microsecond from our visual perception every time our eyes move, so we're not constantly screwed over by motion blur. Replacing that microsecond with an extension of the microsecond immediately after we switch focus, to make the transition seamless. (Hence why the movement of a clock hand seems to linger longer than it should when we first glance at the clock). Or how the brain fills in the blindspot in our vision, from the presence of the nerve connecting to the back of the eye (there are no cells able to gather info from there, so the brain cheats). Or how our eyes feed us vision that's "upside down" (because of how light works), and the brain has to go in and flip it "rightside up" so we can process things "correctly". Honestly, a lot of this is specific to the eyes, because vision is deeply jank. It's an evolutionary miracle we can see at all. Half of that is because our brains compensate for the mechanical limitations.
So here's a fun one: cast suggestion on someone and then change the suggestion using gift of gab. The rules seem to indicate they'll do the suggestion but remember you saying something else.
THIS. Whenever you need to cast a verbal spell on someone from short distance and aren't a sorcerer with Subtle spell, you can cast this right afterwards to cover it up.
@@jakubguziur7522 Mm, I'm not so sure it can be used to change the memory of a verbal spell component. The trigger listed in GoG's casting time is "when you speak to another creature", and verbal spell components are spoken to the Weave rather than to another creature.
That's an amazing idea, but why stop at suggestion? Geas lasts significantly longer; then there's the domination spells which allow full control. Zone of truth could allow you to sneakily interrogate more questionable characters without them knowing it. Antipathy & Sympathy would just be for the laughs though, subtly cursing someone in town to cause pandemonium.
@@XperimentorEES The cool thing with the Suggestion idea is that you can completely gaslight the victim. They could know you used Suggestion on them, but they could think you suggested them to for example "Do the right thing.". So when they shortly after kill the king, they may in fact blame themselves and not you. Using it with Geas could work in a similar way with a bit of luck, but would otherwise just be meaningless gaslighting for the sake of torturing or killing someone who can't figure out how to follow the command. Zone of Truth tells you that affected creatures are aware of the spell. So that wouldn't help. Antipathy/Sympathy already has a range of 60ft. So yeah, no use other than for example gaslighting someone into thinking that you did it by just verbally cursing them.
@@MrSlothJunior I wasn't intending on any of them being tortuous, if anything I was trying to give more ideas for social and political role playing options instead of encouraging murderhobos. Geas offers more complex commands than suggestion, while letting them have free will unlike the domination spells; such as duping a sheriff into arresting every other visiting trader that comes into town for suspicion of being spies, while your group runs a black market monopoly scheme. But depending on the ruling of how gift of gab works, they'd either forget or get distracted from the revealing effect of zone of truth, granted more dm dependent but it might be an option if discussed prior to the investment. What story important character wouldn't have eyes ears or divination of suspicious activity outside of 30 feet? Even then it'd have other utilities such as; blockading guards with innocent bystanders while looking like mass hysteria, or make a beloved mayor seem evil for an easy overthrow, without relying on spamming mass suggestion nor worrying about any elves ignoring charms.
I rule that the spell sentence simply replaces previous one in target's minds. Like they forget that you said anything in that 6 second period, or forget that that 6 second period even happened.
I imagine it as the words in that span of 6 seconds becomes lost from memory and the latter words end up being believed what filled that void of time in conversation. You couldn't say they forget that those 6 seconds ever happen because that could be abused to do something in those 6 seconds without repercussion through other senses unrelated to verbal communication alone.
If anyone watches Dimension 20, word is that Brennan wouldn't let Fig take this because he thought she would be too powerful if her words didn't have consequences.
Remember, it's not just a "make your target think you said something different" spell, it's a "make anyone you want nearby plus everyone further than five feet away hear something different than what your target did". You can use it to secretly shout useful information to your party without the person you're talking to knowing. You could use it to provoke a fight while the guards think you're an innocent victim. You could shout an accusation at someone that they hear as an innocuous question, leading everyone else to thinking they admitting their guilt. You get the drift. The main benefit of the spell doesn't seem to be saying something and taking it back, but effectively being able to say two different things at once with the ability to choose which audience hears which things.
Don't mean to to offend, but this creativity and briliance in social situations sounds like yo're ether a really good lawyer or a particulary dangerous sociopath. Yet your coment taught me way more than the vid up so thank you, guy i really hope not to meet&upset IRL
Except you have to say the sentence you're replacing what your originally said with out loud as the verbal component of the spell. So you say "You're the killer, aren't you? (By the way, do you like beer?)" Your target hears "By the way, do you like beer?" And answers yes. Everyone else hears "You're the killer, aren't you? By the way do you like beer?" and their response is rendered meaningless because they heard both questions and can assume they wouldn't casually respond yes to the accusation of murder. Rather than your target hearing one thing and everyone else hearing another, your target hears an abridged version while everyone else hears the full statement.
The way I interpret it, it's a way to test situations without repercussions. So you could say "The truth is, I'm in love with you" to your crush and if they cringe then you can cast the spell and say something like "The truth is, I'm glad we're friends". Or you could say a secret passphrase to someone you suspect to be a fellow spy and if they look at you confusedly you can take it back without blowing your cover.
There was a super OP minor psychic power in Dark Heresy that made someone forget the last 2 minutes of what happened. It was my first time playing the game when I played that psyker, but even then I knew that sounded ridiculously good.
The way I see it, Gift of Gab replaces the last thing said by forcing a gap in the listener's memory, they simply forget the time that took place during the last thing said. That period of time is just plain skipped.
That's not how it works though. If you actually read the spell (or listened to the video even): "Those creatures then remember that you actually said the words you speak as the verbal component of the spell." Think about how much more powerful the spell would be if they simply forgot an entire period of 6 seconds.
It kinda works like King Crimson I imagine, but retroactively instead of proactively. It basically causes amnesia of the past 5 seconds and also makes you percieve no time has passed between what you said 5 seconds ago, and the verbal components of the spell. So, to Altruicious, he hears, or at least, he recollects, just both compliments in sequence with no major pause inbetween, literally, to him, the insult and his reaction never happened.
"When you cast this spell, you skillfully reshape the memories of listeners in your immediate area, so that each creature of your choice within 5 feet of you forgets everything you said within the last 6 seconds. Those creatures then remember that you actually said the words you speak as the verbal component of the spell." I think it more just extends the memory of the revised line, or maybe it feels like an auditory processing disorder symptom. Our perception of time isn't really ever consistent so that'd be a pretty easy thing to explain.
human brains are extremely good at resolving inconsistencies in the raw sense data that they process in a way that you don't even notice most of the time. i assume other fantasy races have similar cognitive capacities (or deficiencies!)
@@Drekromancer there may be some hidden fail condition realistically like people stick to being mad at you because they they don't want to admit that they reacted wrong or sometime you can't remember exactly what happened but you do remember that you are intelligent and weren't mentally unstable so you can guess why you would act like that and work backwards (only works if you are confident you haven't changed mentally or personality wise since then and you aren't delusional yourself Which you aren't qualified to tell for yourself) Basically there's a small chance it won't work coincidentally or there super intelligent wizard
Yeah, based on his description in the video (I haven't read the actual description), I assumed the subject(s) just remember you saying the one thing and recall it being only 6 seconds instead of 12. Maybe they remember a little dead air or awkward silence in there, but nothing significant enough to warrant suspicion. Honestly, think back to even your most RECENT conversation with someone. Chances are, you don't remember exactly what they said word for word. You might recall the general intent of what they said, but unless it was something really profound or impactful, the specifics are probably lost and there's things you've probably glossed over. Hell, THEY might not remember everything they said to you. I would imagine this just creates that effect, but accelerated.
@@kellynolen498 I don't know. 6 seconds isn't really long enough for something like anger at an insult to really set in as a "habit". Heck, sometimes people don't even process what you've said enough to REACT within 6 seconds. I'd think if you removed the reason for their anger after such a short duration, they'd either forget the anger entirely, or see it as some sort of passing emotional flash. MAYBE upon later reflection, they might get suspicious, but I don't think they would immediately unless they literally stopped everything they were doing to analyze it. If you keep the conversation moving, I doubt they'd have the time to dwell on it enough.
OH OH OH, this spell is brilliant. Imagine doing a negotiation with somebody and having witnesses. You give some reasonable clauses, something unreasonable but highly beneficial to you, and then cast the spell and add something reasonable to cover it up. So when the contract writer and witnesses double check, they basically gaslight the guy unwittingly to having fucked up the negotiation. That's brilliant. Also I love how you know the spell is active cause the music stopped.
I like the idea of using this spell in scenarios where the fae or something like Zone of Truth are concerned. You did very much tell the other person what you needed to tell them; what do you mean they don't remember? This is not a violation of contract!
In my opinion, it's more like that time you stop paying attention to a conversation for a moment, and simply don't remember what the person who cast the spell said during that time
The mind probably fills in the gap and makes it all make sense Like when it takes a while for a sentence to make sense in your head and you go like "ah! Right! That's what he meant" a second after
PC uses might be edge, but I can absolutely see this spell being abused by an NPC merchant who's only goal is to fleece the PCs out of as much gold as they can get. Ackbar's Discount Magic Items! So nice, we tell you the price twice! No refunds.
As if that would stop almost any player. Only the most dedicated would go along with it instead of finding a different reason not to deal with the NPC.
I really do appreciate you tell us that you got money from them even though it’s been a few years and it’s not for this video. I really like transparency like this.
Only had it used once in a game of mine, I was floored. The Bard PC revealed to their love interest a Satyr Pirate Captain NPC that he was the reason behind her new confounding and utterly persona destroying fear of large sea creatures (she had rolled a nat 1 on her save when he did Enthralling Performance to influence the crew, before they fell for each other). When he revealed to her that he was the reason behind her fear, she immediately went cold and tried to kill him, he cast gift of the gab, and instead chose a different tactic. I didn’t even know he had the spell and just adored the moment, total inspiration point earned.
Power Word: Go Fuck Yourself was too controversial on the battlefield to complete development; early testing showed drastically increased rates of *ahem* ...organ... damage and all involved agreed to table it.
Playing gambling games and using gift of gab to change your choice (like calling heads or tails, high rolls or low rolls, maybe even blackjack if the dealer is fast)
to be fair, it is written like poor homebrew; like many AcqInc spells are. Verbal components are no words with meaning, literally reshaping memory of each nearby creature of your choice without a saving throw is far beyond a 2nd-level spell, and the practical holes Skenk pointed out are another major design flaw.
@@illyon1092 I disagree. While it makes an exception to normal component rules, it's not like the official rules out of the PHB or other books don't have weird uses of components. Moreover, while the spell is powerful in its ability to disrupt a person's memory without a save, it's got such a narrow application that it's hardly broken. You have to really work to make it usable.
@@eric_moore-6126 I don't have a problem with royalty components. Functionally it's like saying "Material components: 2 gold coins that are consumed on the casting of this spell" I don't really have an issue with Gift of Gab specifically, but my main concern is that if you offer gift of gab, then you open up the floor to debates over allowing all the other nonsense that IS both badly balanced and vaguely worded. If you're playing AL, then it's PHB +1, and even with the unbalanced nonsense in Acq Inc, it's not worth giving up the stuff in XGtE, SCAL, or TCoE. If you're doing a home game, it's much easier to just do a broad limit of "All books EXCEPT Acq Inc and Morty&Rick, though I'm tempted to toss in just about ANY IP-specific Handbook in that ban. Ravnica, Eberron, Mythic Odyssey, etc. If you aren't playing in that world, don't play with that book.
So you could be in a room of several people, yell something, then cast the spell so that only the person right next to you would hear it differently. “This guys got a dagger!” and then replace it with a cough or something. You could walk away before the target knows why everyone’s freaking out.
I think how it would work mechanically in game is it retroactively alters the memory of the target to not perceive those 6 seconds of time. Like King Crimson but with less suspension of disbelief. That way it feels like a catch-all response to any questions of how it affected the target(s), and could lead to more interesting memory manipulation implications.
What's messed up about this, is the number of times I've rewatched this and only just recognised the bit where he says "Altruism is gonna kill you- just give it a try!"
I think he also uses it at start of video (you see his hand gestures and awkward pause? I think thats not the viewer but how HE perceivess what he is doing at the moment because of spell's influance
I might actually pay to watch a series where Zee's characters just interact with each other, MAYBE go on actual adventures, but stuff like this would be just fine.
Except, you know. For all the people who are brutally murdered for things like necromancy components, or because they got the last chocolate chip ice cream at the ice cream truck.
Speaking of spells with no save, and interesting information. Have you thought about using Sending? The range is unlimited, and you can send a quick message of 25 words. Most importantly there is no save. They can not stop you. 2am, you wake up and send a message of you Yelling at someone, to wake them up. Repeat to continue to distort there sleep, every day, for the rest of your life. Not only do you get to make them miserable, but their response back of 25 words will usually be groaning, pleading, and crying. Pure immediate satisfaction for our instant gratification lives.
Only useful if you don't need to sleep and can cast it repeatedly without hindering your spellcasting ability. Which is exactly what a warlock with pact of the tome + aspect of the moon can do (as long as your prey made the error of writing their name in your book of shadows and you're willing to waste a name slot for this). With enough dedication, you could even kill someone of exhaustion by harrassing them every hour or so
@@imUmoron Meh, takes a 5th level spell slot (granted, it can be used at the end of the day), you need to be at least 9th level to have this slot, and the target needs to fail both a wis save AND a con save to get exhaustion. If the target succeds both, they lose a point of exhaustion. On the other hand, the stupid pact of the tome/message combo is possible starting from level 5, with a build that a pact of the tome warlock might actually go for, even without this intention (so you don't need to severely hinder your character to pull off this ridiculous combo), and only needs for the target to fail an increasingly more difficult CON save every night if the DM allows it. Though, you could actually do both : harrass them for most of the night, then send a nightmare when you're close to the end. That way, you decrease the chance of a successful long rest (the DM would probably allow a test for the target of messages to be able to benefit from the effects of a long rest), with all the effects that stem from multiple nights in a row without a long rest. Plus, being a warlock, you probably have a 5th level spell slot to spare at the end of the day (at the cost of a learned and a memorized spell, but that's worth it). And yes, I'm not just talking "foiling a long rest" but "killing by exhaustion" there
I love the idea that someone with the Keen Mind feat is immune to the spell -- someone suggested that to me once, and I think it's such a neat and niche little immunity (the only one) to a pretty neat and niche spell.
This is my favourite kind of magic countering. One cover-all counterspell is so boring. Examples where spells have a very specific counter, like Magic Missile and Shield, are much more fun to me. So this idea that a very niche spell is countered by a single feat sounds really cool. One of the things I loved about playing "Sorcery! 3" was that casting certain spells would cancel out the effects of certain other spells. Pairs of opposite spells that on the surface don't have related effects, but the casting process for each has this special pairing.
As someone that transcribes recorded conversations as part of his job... you'd be surprised how little people ACTUALLY hear what is being said. Your brain is designed to fill in a hell of a lot off blanks based on the general flow of the conversation. That is why I always try to go back and rewatch the video and reach my transcript at the same time. There is often large differences. And it isn't just cute substitutions like beach and -----. It is entire sentences.
This mostly happens, ime, in cases with a time crunch component, like if you have to transcribe something in real time. Having done some transcription from video, I do not experience what you're talking about at all. It's also one of my particular peeves in others; when they just make up things and decide you said them like they weren't really paying attention and just caught stray words here and there. I'd assume I do the same thing, but approximately nobody has ever pointed out me doing it, so I can only assume I either don't, am abnormal in my noticing other people doing it (concerning for various reasons), or do so very rarely.
@@seigeengine the difference in experience might also relate to video quality. I tend to work with material from low quality equipment, and only one half of the partcipants knows how you need to speak tp be clearly caught on a mike. The other half tends to be nervous and emotional.
I, too, thought this spell would be useless. Until I got to a session when I failed literally all my deception, performance and intimidation checks and lost both money and hit points because of it
I played an Enchanter Yuan-ti and I made use of this spell like...once. And mostly as a experiment to see just how many times I could backhand insult the BBEG to their face. It was cathartic and proved to me beyond a doubt that well they might have a high saving throw they didn't have any broad immunity to enchantment overall.
Mind Blank (and similar effects) can completely ignore this spell, since it deflects any spells or effects that could affect the creature's mind even at the level of Wish.
I imagine it works like an amnesiac effect, like you literally erase 6 seconds of a person's memory. Although if that were the case then it would have potential stealth applications.
It also could be used to cover up Verbal only spells. They succeeded against your Suggestion spell in a social situation, replace it with another bit of dialogue. They still might know you tried to charm them but quick thinking could be used to reduce or negate the consequences
I love watching these videos because of the lore you put into your cast of characters for them. Skank McGank will forever hold a special place in my heart.
So, I was playing in a party where everyone stuffed their foot in their mouth when role playing pissing off the NPC's, so I used this spell many many times in order to get NPC's on good terms with us then keep it that way. I also happened to be a elven rogue, so every long rest while the party was sleeping I would steal the gold back spent from the spell convincing them it was a curse which gave us great social success at the cost of taking our gold, but if we did well in social encounters the party wouldn't lose gold. Sure enough they started getting better at role playing, and my DM gave me a cool magic rapier as thanks.
I'm not sure how Zee's scenario would play out, honestly. Because BOTH representatives would hear the second phrase and one of them would hear both. So it'd be something like Person 1 Hears: "I'll never work for faction 2" "I'll never work for faction 1" Person 2 Hears: "I'll never work for faction 1" So, either way, someone is going to hear conflicting information if you don't plan it out carefully. You can't make them BOTH hear different things, since the spell makes EVERY target hear the same thing: the verbal component.
"SHALL YOU JOIN US, TRAVELER?" "I'll never join you!" "THEN YOU HAVE SEALED-" *cast* "Unless something drastic changes, yeah?" "AH, GREAT." Outsiders hear something accurate, target hears something favorable. All about that vague phrasing.
I assume that the target's mind just.. blanks on the time covered by this spell. People lose track of way longer amounts of time than that every day, and never notice.
Fun use for this spell that most don’t notice it can replace verbal components of other spells with empty silence(or other words). So if you cast a spell where you hide your hands from a target they literally have no idea that you did it.
The perception question being open is actually rather fitting, memory and how humans perceives events is a rather odd thing, and one that is often retroactively or proactively altered by the observers own bias even if it should realisticly make no sense. One of the most chilling observed examples of this was in patients who had special lobotomies to deal with epilepcy and researchers discovered that when visually separated the two hands would perform different tasks if the patient was ask to use them to perform certain tasks such as sketching or writing the answer to an open question. When asked about this the person would be confused for a moment before coming up with various and sometimes conflicting reasoning for why one hand drew a cat and the other drew a duck.
There's a much more mundane example of this that you're probably familiar with, maybe even heard of. Whenever you look at the second hand of a clock, the first tick appears much slower than the rest, almost seemingly frozen for a moment. This happens because when your eyes move to focus on a new target, your brain cuts that part out and sorta fills in the gap retroactively with whatever you are now looking at.
To be clear, lobotomies are the severing of the prefrontal cortex, which primarily controls a person's executive functioning. Part of that executive functioning is known as "working memory" in which the prefrontal cortex holds new information and ties it to stored information in the hippocampus, like the RAM of a computer working with a hard drive. You're referring to a corpus callosotomy, where the corpus callosum (the main bridge between the hemispheres) is cut, which greatly reduces the hemispheres' ability to communicate. This doesn't affect your memory. More specifically, it's the neocortex that's split in two. The neocortex is responsible for your conscious behavior: language, movement, and conscious thought. Essentially, this results in two separate brains that can barely communicate, and only through fringe connections. As you probably know, the two sides of the brain perform different functions. The right brain controls the left side of your body, and vice versa, but the right also controls creativity, context, and some aspects of sensory perception and recognition. The left side primarily controls logic and language. CC patients may/will experience disconnection syndrome, either acute (temporary) or chronically. For the acute patients, normal function will be restored in weeks/months, but during that time, they will suffer from severe inability to control parts of their body. They may become incontinent, struggle with spontaneous speech, lose function of their nondominant limbs, even lose the ability to eat and breath on their own. The brain will adapt and reform connections in order to regain a semblance or even complete function. Chronic sufferers may develop similar problems but are unable to adapt. They may lose control of their nondominant hand, lose its function entirely, be unable to consciously sense things on one side, and other strange sensory problems. The _interesting part_ is that both sides of the brain are still functioning, but only the left hemisphere contains the two areas of the brain that control speech. This means your body now hosts two minds, one of which is now essentially deaf and mute :( (although the right will still be able to recognize tone of voice and produce physical communication). Patients naturally feel as if their left brain, controlling logic and language, is their "actual" brain, but both brains are still "you". One will produce language for you to think and say, and the other will seem like a foreign and handicapped part of you. Some patients will maintain some lexicon (your brain's dictionary) in the right hemisphere, so that your right brain may still identify words, but will be unable to produce language outside of gestures with the hand. In many others the poor right brain is now trapped in a world where it can't communicate or even understand words at all. Either way, the conscious part of your left brain that produces language is almost entirely unaware of the conscious part of your right brain that doesn't. This results in things like alien hand syndrome, where the left hand (controlled by the right brain) acts on its own and will do things like grabbing items in the supermarket or smacking someone you secretly dislike. The "You" that can speak is unaware of the "You" that cannot. This is how you have scenarios like items mysteriously appearing in your shopping cart, and your picture example. Your left brain is unaware of what you see out of your left eye and what you do with your left hand. I believe it will just fill in the gaps as best it can, just like how your brain approximates what you see in your peripherals (but I'm not sure and I don't feel like looking up anything else). This means that your left eye can take in information that your left brain is unaware of, and can recall that information through physical communication, such as drawing a picture. This phenomenon is portrayed very well in House, season 5 ep 24. Still my favorite show ^_^
I think the passage of time thing is simply the listener mentally losing track of the thing you just said. Everyone's had moments where they've listened intently to something someone's said and then immediately forgotten it, like a lecture or your parents giving you a task.
I choose to think that the spell doesn't alter the perception of the old phase, but alters the memory of the spell directly by making it foggy, as though you naturally couldn't remember what they just said. Most people don't try to remember word for word conversations in the near past. And if they do, it is almost indistinguishable from the normal fog of memory. later on in life, this fog is nearly perfect, so missing a six second part of a conversation in memory wouldn't be that out of place, or may just be shortcut by the brain and cut out entirely. Maybe this interpretation could be used in a neat, edge case plot element where someone you interacted with has photographic memory, and thus that particular memory would be one of the few they have missing, and thus could send up a big red flag for possible magical tampering.
Oh my gosh...They are brothers still yelling perfectly at each other under silence! This feels like the greatest chaotic evil brother moment in D&D ever!
Imagine how you could abuse this in a public setting. Say for instance you're interrogating somebody in a courtroom. You can ask a witness to confirm a false statement by asking him a flat out lie followed by a trivial true detail. The witness would have no clue what he's confirming while the jury hears him agree to your complete description of the events.
You'd need to be in a 5 feet distance though. But that can be done by, like presenting some sort of "evidence" to the witness and asking them something about it.
I feel like it's when you hear someone and only process what they said after you sit there wondering why your mom would need mayo for the dog for 6 seconds
Actually you could use this to interrogate someone without realizing. Simple information only but if you want to confirm the answer or gauge a reaction without consequence it'd be great for that
I just realized all the hand gestures he does are meant be somatic components. I always thought he just very expressive. I think he does them in other animated spell books but I can't think of any.
I feel like it would give you a sensation of like a mind lapse. Like you do something just out of habit or instinct but you don't remember doing it moments later and you're left questioning yourself. For example last night I went out and grabbed a bite to eat and I as I was coming back I realized I needed to make the turn onto my road and I was like "wait I have absolutely NO memory of taking the exit and going through the roundabouts before even getting here". I've made the drive so many times that I just kinda did it while my mind was just zoned in on the road.
every person with a crush would take this spell in a heartbeat. "do you like me?" gauge the reaction and either let it sail or retract your question and save it for later.
1:20 I was listening to this on my wireless headset while doing dishes and when this part came, I thought the guy got so angry he became a black hole and sucked in everything. I then thought my headphones just disconnected so I waited. I did not realize it was the silence spell.
In our campaign, the dungeon of the mad mage is like a reality TV show, so my character used this to advertise her band without the rest of the party knowing she'd done it
As cool as it is that you actually use this spell, the really cool part of your post is that you have a band! Now I want my next D&D party to be a traveling band!
@@Comicsluvr King Maxz Licht'Zhan, rockstar! She's my favourite PC by miles, she means so much to me. The rest of the party aren't actually part of the band, that's just maxz' thing
I would run it the misheard route. Because that gives it a non save counter in that if you use it too many times in short succession someone is going to start getting suspicious. More intelligent or suspicious types would catch on quicker, noticing how strange the conversation is. Maybe not enough to remember what you said before, but to drop thier relations to you down a peg and maybe become resistant to the spell.
they don't need to become resistant. Sometimes magic should be magic, and not just systemic. I get what you mean as an option, but you don't need to balance it and everything. If they start picking up oddities because someone did not do it well, they will find out and prevent the issue...guessing like Skenk McGhenk's own brother that something is up with that compliment sandwhich.
I find it funny how two villainous characters would pull lethal pranks on each other knowing full well they each have a plan to come back.
I can just imagine two brothers, each of which found a different method of immortality, that just bicker back and forth from two sides of the city’s underbelly for eternity.
@@MrMaradok if you've ever watched the Chilling Adventures of Sabrina (the new sabrina the teenage witch series), the aunties do this!
@shadows2468 a team fortress 2 inspired evil campaign where you're mercenaries working for a lich, who wants you to destroy his lich brother's stuff would be great, the DM would have to create rivals for the party.
Eventually its revealed that there's a 3rd lich brother with an army of undead who is effectively the campaign's bbeg, forcing the party and their rivals to team up, but eventually lose, with both their employer's phylacterys being destroyed.
The party is then hired by a 4th lich, who wants them to fix her phylactery. It turns out that the bbeg is also having the same issues with his phylactery, putting the 2 in a race to acquire the resources needed to repair them.
The bbeg hires a band of old mercenaries to compete against the party, the leader of these mercenaries hijacks the bbeg's phylactery and attains lichdom, forcing the party to fight him.
Book club, they probably copy each other's spells and duck with their cloning chambers for laughs
@@badideagenerator2315 can I nick this perhaps?
Pros to silence
* can't cast spells
* you can screw someone over mid convo
* animators don't have to make bone craking sounds
It's like an old school horror movie, the silence made it even more gruesome.
Can't cast verbal spells, Mind Spike is a great final fuck-you to a villain who thinks that Silencing the party will make their Teleport exit a flawless departure. Never fails to surprise the DM when you say "Somatic component only".
"This isn't my clone room" has got to be one of the most ominous things to realise
Somebody must have found his main stash and smashed all the other jars!
@@zoelio999 Or someone stole one of his clone jars and put it in their own room. Either way, he stole their magic pot, so it's all good in the end.
It’s the return of Trevorrrr.
And Ghost Pig.
@@LocalMaple Nobody helps out like Ghost Pig!
@@LocalMaple The magic pot probably belongs to Ghost Pig then. I can't imagine Trevor smoking that stuff.
Go to everyone in a murder-mystery, "It was YOU who killed him!" keep reversing until you find someone who replies "How did you know!?"
"I didn't! That was a joke too!"
*BURRRRRPPP*
"I didn't!"
The killer wouldn't respond with "How did you know?" They would laugh at you for making a baseless accusation.
@@TheGregamonster Depends. Given the way the spell works, each target would believe you only questioned one person because you'd keep replacing your accusation with something innocuous. So, to the perspective of the killer, you were monologuing about something else then accused them out of the blue. If the person can keep their cool, yes, they might play it off as a baseless accusation, but when you KNOW someone is trying to figure you out and they seem to effortlessly deduce your guilt, that can be pretty rattling. I'm not sure if you'd say "How did you know?", but you might be caught off guard enough to give away some good visual or audio clues.
@@weezact7 Do keep in mind though that everyone who can hear you has to be 5ft away.
If you start and interaction with “hey, Altruicious:” prepare to be put down. That guy does not fuck around.
Unless you have access to 1 or more instances of Flaming Sphere.
@@AppleBiscuits And a dummy thicc opportunity attacker.
"Hey Altruicious, You want some ice cream?"
@Nick Figures.
The fact that the big brother totally knew what he did, and already had something in his back pocket for it 😂
The elder McGenk, watching the younger silently getting folded like a Waterdhavian omelette:
"We have fun indeed...!"
he knew something was up and was having none of it
@@magmat0585 Oh, he actually had just enough of it.
Front row seat, only needs some popcorn!
But then again he was in the splash zone.
The migrating clone jars could actually be a fascinating plot hook. Like, this is how you could hook your high-level player into a brand new thread:
Suddenly, as they emerge wet and naked from their canopic jar, the PC sees an ancient Bronze dragon looming over them. "Negotiation," the dragon growls.
PC: "Well, I feel like this negotiation has started with a definite lean on the power balance. Perhaps we can begin with providing me some clothes or a sheepskin so I can stop dripping on your floor while we have our discussion?"
Meanwhile, the other players are rolling up new characters, I guess.
@@Tiyev nah they are probably trying to find their missing party member who didn't show up to a planned group meeting or something cause they were in a dragons hoard
"If you have my canopic jar, I can assume you have every single other item in my possession. Only, half of them are cursed and the other half were cursed by me, so that sounds like a good place to begin."
I could imagine a spell like this being pretty useful during sessions where interrogations may come into play. Being able to backpedal on certain areas to lead a conversation to the desired outcome. Granted, that is highly dependent from moment to moment, but I could see it being used still.
"Hi what's your name?"
"Jim."
*Gift of Gab*
"Hello Jim."
"How did you know my name?"
"I know lots of things, Jim."
@@timetraveler_from_2012 Exactly this ^
"Salutations!"
"Hello!"
"You poisoned the king, and we know it!"
"How dare you! GUA-"
"Salutations!"
"Good Morning!"
"The poison was Blackspielnd!"
"What was?"
"Salutations!"
"Greetings..."
"Lord Jhioere has commanded you undo the poison, now!"
"Wait, you know?! He told me to do what!?"
"And he said the Prince Rewbdiout must be released and moved to the oxcart behind the east-westling corridor."
"But we dont have the Prince...Hey!-"
"Salutations!"...
Imagine an interrogation where the interrogators walk in, stare intently at you for about half an hour in complete silence, then they walk out having gathered every single bit of info they needed
@@tiggerbiggo That's horrifying. I love it. 😁
Just imagine an NPC who developed this reputation, too. You could introduce him as some strange, mysterious threat - as though he were a straight-up mind-reader. Rumors would spread about the source of his unholy power - the power to get information out of the best liars and diplomats in the world. Nobody knows how he does it, but he gets more information than the best spies and torturers in the land. That leads the public to suspect that what he does is worse than torture. People would be terrified of him - ESPECIALLY powerful people with something to hide. He could make quite a name for himself that way.
I had an idea to play a Fey Bard with the criminal background, the idea was that this Fey used Fey magic to create binding contracts with people, and since Fey cannot lie, everything in the contract (at least on the Fey's end) would be true to the letter.
Since my character cannot willingly tell a lie, when seeing this, I just had the thought that Gift of Gab could be used in so many ways by my potential character to stay within the bounds of telling the truth but also be able to hide information away from people.
For example: I'm talking to a guard and they go "state your business" and I go "I have an invitation from the lord, I'm to meet him here to discuss some things." and he goes "Is that everything?" and I go "Yes, that is my business (but it is not everything) [May I go in now?]" - By replacing the Parenthesis with the Brackets I can effectively hide information while still telling the truth, as long as I'm clever in how I use it.
I think the words replaced by the spell just get erased from the target's memory, along with, maybe, the time in which they were said. Then the brain just cobbles together a plausible story for the missing time. Our brains do stuff like that constantly. It's honestly scary how much time we lose without ever noticing.
Absolutely. Our brains are constantly dumping massive quantities of information every second of every day (admittedly, mostly useless stuff like perceiving the same inanimate object that's been in a spot for 8 months, hence why it's easy to overlook something in familiar surroundings). The brain is finite, and the stimuli being thrown at us infinite. It has to be choosy about what it processes, and what it lets fall by the wayside.
It's also constantly altering things in subtle ways. Like removing a microsecond from our visual perception every time our eyes move, so we're not constantly screwed over by motion blur. Replacing that microsecond with an extension of the microsecond immediately after we switch focus, to make the transition seamless. (Hence why the movement of a clock hand seems to linger longer than it should when we first glance at the clock). Or how the brain fills in the blindspot in our vision, from the presence of the nerve connecting to the back of the eye (there are no cells able to gather info from there, so the brain cheats). Or how our eyes feed us vision that's "upside down" (because of how light works), and the brain has to go in and flip it "rightside up" so we can process things "correctly".
Honestly, a lot of this is specific to the eyes, because vision is deeply jank. It's an evolutionary miracle we can see at all. Half of that is because our brains compensate for the mechanical limitations.
I cast "Gaslight".
So here's a fun one: cast suggestion on someone and then change the suggestion using gift of gab. The rules seem to indicate they'll do the suggestion but remember you saying something else.
THIS. Whenever you need to cast a verbal spell on someone from short distance and aren't a sorcerer with Subtle spell, you can cast this right afterwards to cover it up.
@@jakubguziur7522 Mm, I'm not so sure it can be used to change the memory of a verbal spell component. The trigger listed in GoG's casting time is "when you speak to another creature", and verbal spell components are spoken to the Weave rather than to another creature.
That's an amazing idea, but why stop at suggestion?
Geas lasts significantly longer; then there's the domination spells which allow full control.
Zone of truth could allow you to sneakily interrogate more questionable characters without them knowing it.
Antipathy & Sympathy would just be for the laughs though, subtly cursing someone in town to cause pandemonium.
@@XperimentorEES
The cool thing with the Suggestion idea is that you can completely gaslight the victim. They could know you used Suggestion on them, but they could think you suggested them to for example "Do the right thing.". So when they shortly after kill the king, they may in fact blame themselves and not you.
Using it with Geas could work in a similar way with a bit of luck, but would otherwise just be meaningless gaslighting for the sake of torturing or killing someone who can't figure out how to follow the command.
Zone of Truth tells you that affected creatures are aware of the spell. So that wouldn't help.
Antipathy/Sympathy already has a range of 60ft. So yeah, no use other than for example gaslighting someone into thinking that you did it by just verbally cursing them.
@@MrSlothJunior I wasn't intending on any of them being tortuous, if anything I was trying to give more ideas for social and political role playing options instead of encouraging murderhobos.
Geas offers more complex commands than suggestion, while letting them have free will unlike the domination spells; such as duping a sheriff into arresting every other visiting trader that comes into town for suspicion of being spies, while your group runs a black market monopoly scheme.
But depending on the ruling of how gift of gab works, they'd either forget or get distracted from the revealing effect of zone of truth, granted more dm dependent but it might be an option if discussed prior to the investment.
What story important character wouldn't have eyes ears or divination of suspicious activity outside of 30 feet? Even then it'd have other utilities such as; blockading guards with innocent bystanders while looking like mass hysteria, or make a beloved mayor seem evil for an easy overthrow, without relying on spamming mass suggestion nor worrying about any elves ignoring charms.
Less "Gift of Gab" and more "Jim Darkmargic's Gaslighting".
Tell 'em... Dark Marge sent ya.
I rule that the spell sentence simply replaces previous one in target's minds. Like they forget that you said anything in that 6 second period, or forget that that 6 second period even happened.
I imagine it as the words in that span of 6 seconds becomes lost from memory and the latter words end up being believed what filled that void of time in conversation.
You couldn't say they forget that those 6 seconds ever happen because that could be abused to do something in those 6 seconds without repercussion through other senses unrelated to verbal communication alone.
If anyone watches Dimension 20, word is that Brennan wouldn't let Fig take this because he thought she would be too powerful if her words didn't have consequences.
I 100% believe this
Emily used it in far and flowers to epic effect
Remember, it's not just a "make your target think you said something different" spell, it's a "make anyone you want nearby plus everyone further than five feet away hear something different than what your target did".
You can use it to secretly shout useful information to your party without the person you're talking to knowing. You could use it to provoke a fight while the guards think you're an innocent victim. You could shout an accusation at someone that they hear as an innocuous question, leading everyone else to thinking they admitting their guilt.
You get the drift. The main benefit of the spell doesn't seem to be saying something and taking it back, but effectively being able to say two different things at once with the ability to choose which audience hears which things.
I still wasn’t sure how to actually use it, but this really clears it up.
Don't mean to to offend, but this creativity and briliance in social situations sounds like yo're ether a really good lawyer or a particulary dangerous sociopath. Yet your coment taught me way more than the vid up so thank you, guy i really hope not to meet&upset IRL
Except you have to say the sentence you're replacing what your originally said with out loud as the verbal component of the spell.
So you say "You're the killer, aren't you? (By the way, do you like beer?)"
Your target hears "By the way, do you like beer?" And answers yes.
Everyone else hears "You're the killer, aren't you? By the way do you like beer?" and their response is rendered meaningless because they heard both questions and can assume they wouldn't casually respond yes to the accusation of murder.
Rather than your target hearing one thing and everyone else hearing another, your target hears an abridged version while everyone else hears the full statement.
This is super useful. For instance, you could accuse somebody of commiting a crime, gauge their reaction, then change it to "good day".
The way I interpret it, it's a way to test situations without repercussions. So you could say "The truth is, I'm in love with you" to your crush and if they cringe then you can cast the spell and say something like "The truth is, I'm glad we're friends". Or you could say a secret passphrase to someone you suspect to be a fellow spy and if they look at you confusedly you can take it back without blowing your cover.
There was a super OP minor psychic power in Dark Heresy that made someone forget the last 2 minutes of what happened. It was my first time playing the game when I played that psyker, but even then I knew that sounded ridiculously good.
The way I see it, Gift of Gab replaces the last thing said by forcing a gap in the listener's memory, they simply forget the time that took place during the last thing said. That period of time is just plain skipped.
That's not how it works though. If you actually read the spell (or listened to the video even): "Those creatures then remember that you actually said the words you speak as the verbal component of the spell."
Think about how much more powerful the spell would be if they simply forgot an entire period of 6 seconds.
@@DevinDTV It forces a gap, but only in the words that were spoken.
Ah. So it’s king crimson
I like that he disclosed his relationship with AcInc. Shows a lot of integrity and journalistic transparency. Really admirable.
It kinda works like King Crimson I imagine, but retroactively instead of proactively. It basically causes amnesia of the past 5 seconds and also makes you percieve no time has passed between what you said 5 seconds ago, and the verbal components of the spell. So, to Altruicious, he hears, or at least, he recollects, just both compliments in sequence with no major pause inbetween, literally, to him, the insult and his reaction never happened.
"When you cast this spell, you skillfully reshape the memories of listeners in your immediate area, so that each creature of your choice within 5 feet of you forgets everything you said within the last 6 seconds. Those creatures then remember that you actually said the words you speak as the verbal component of the spell."
I think it more just extends the memory of the revised line, or maybe it feels like an auditory processing disorder symptom. Our perception of time isn't really ever consistent so that'd be a pretty easy thing to explain.
human brains are extremely good at resolving inconsistencies in the raw sense data that they process in a way that you don't even notice most of the time. i assume other fantasy races have similar cognitive capacities (or deficiencies!)
@@dielfonelletab8711 Well said! I wonder whether there's more room for some spells that target other inconsistencies in humanoid cognition.
@@Drekromancer there may be some hidden fail condition realistically like people stick to being mad at you because they they don't want to admit that they reacted wrong or sometime you can't remember exactly what happened but you do remember that you are intelligent and weren't mentally unstable so you can guess why you would act like that and work backwards (only works if you are confident you haven't changed mentally or personality wise since then and you aren't delusional yourself Which you aren't qualified to tell for yourself)
Basically there's a small chance it won't work coincidentally or there super intelligent wizard
Yeah, based on his description in the video (I haven't read the actual description), I assumed the subject(s) just remember you saying the one thing and recall it being only 6 seconds instead of 12. Maybe they remember a little dead air or awkward silence in there, but nothing significant enough to warrant suspicion. Honestly, think back to even your most RECENT conversation with someone. Chances are, you don't remember exactly what they said word for word. You might recall the general intent of what they said, but unless it was something really profound or impactful, the specifics are probably lost and there's things you've probably glossed over. Hell, THEY might not remember everything they said to you. I would imagine this just creates that effect, but accelerated.
@@kellynolen498 I don't know. 6 seconds isn't really long enough for something like anger at an insult to really set in as a "habit". Heck, sometimes people don't even process what you've said enough to REACT within 6 seconds. I'd think if you removed the reason for their anger after such a short duration, they'd either forget the anger entirely, or see it as some sort of passing emotional flash. MAYBE upon later reflection, they might get suspicious, but I don't think they would immediately unless they literally stopped everything they were doing to analyze it. If you keep the conversation moving, I doubt they'd have the time to dwell on it enough.
OH OH OH, this spell is brilliant. Imagine doing a negotiation with somebody and having witnesses. You give some reasonable clauses, something unreasonable but highly beneficial to you, and then cast the spell and add something reasonable to cover it up.
So when the contract writer and witnesses double check, they basically gaslight the guy unwittingly to having fucked up the negotiation. That's brilliant.
Also I love how you know the spell is active cause the music stopped.
ehehehehe 😈
Based on the spell description, the affected creatures are effectively missing the 6 seconds that was replaced.
Literally laughed out loud when THE spell was cast. I did not see that coming.
More importantly, though, I didn't HEAR it coming.
The usage of Silence was too good. Amazing vid as always.
Gift of Gab is basically just when you edit a message before the other person has time to read it.
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@@wesnohathas1993 What do you mean?
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I like the idea of using this spell in scenarios where the fae or something like Zone of Truth are concerned. You did very much tell the other person what you needed to tell them; what do you mean they don't remember? This is not a violation of contract!
I keep coming back to this video just to watch him creat his magic weed.
I just noticed as he said altruitius is going to kill you he used the gift of gab on his brother
Oh man, Good catch.
In my opinion, it's more like that time you stop paying attention to a conversation for a moment, and simply don't remember what the person who cast the spell said during that time
The mind probably fills in the gap and makes it all make sense
Like when it takes a while for a sentence to make sense in your head and you go like "ah! Right! That's what he meant" a second after
Yeah, 6 seconds isn't that much time to account for
PC uses might be edge, but I can absolutely see this spell being abused by an NPC merchant who's only goal is to fleece the PCs out of as much gold as they can get. Ackbar's Discount Magic Items! So nice, we tell you the price twice! No refunds.
And the worst part is that the players would know exactly what's going on but stopping it would be metagaming, so they can only sit there and seethe.
As if that would stop almost any player. Only the most dedicated would go along with it instead of finding a different reason not to deal with the NPC.
I wish gift of gab was added to the Archfey warlock. It is literally perfect.
I really do appreciate you tell us that you got money from them even though it’s been a few years and it’s not for this video. I really like transparency like this.
That perfectly-timed silence spell had me rolling in my seat 😂🤣
Only had it used once in a game of mine, I was floored. The Bard PC revealed to their love interest a Satyr Pirate Captain NPC that he was the reason behind her new confounding and utterly persona destroying fear of large sea creatures (she had rolled a nat 1 on her save when he did Enthralling Performance to influence the crew, before they fell for each other).
When he revealed to her that he was the reason behind her fear, she immediately went cold and tried to kill him, he cast gift of the gab, and instead chose a different tactic. I didn’t even know he had the spell and just adored the moment, total inspiration point earned.
This seems less like having the Gift of the Gab, and more like Gift of Gaslighting.
That is what it was renamed For the new release of d n d one
gablighting
Other spells from Jim Darkmagic include Suggestion 2, Power Word: Look At Me, Power Word: Look Over There, Group Heroism, and Tax Fraud
Power Word: Go Fuck Yourself was too controversial on the battlefield to complete development; early testing showed drastically increased rates of *ahem* ...organ... damage and all involved agreed to table it.
Playing gambling games and using gift of gab to change your choice (like calling heads or tails, high rolls or low rolls, maybe even blackjack if the dealer is fast)
But that would be dishonest...teehee
Proving as always that Silence is the best spell to cast on pickup artists
“I cast Gift of Gab” is what you immediately declare when the DMs eyes widen slightly while you talk plot in front of an npc
The issue with this spell is people tend to not allow or have heard of Acq inc so they think its a homebrew spell.
to be fair, it is written like poor homebrew; like many AcqInc spells are. Verbal components are no words with meaning, literally reshaping memory of each nearby creature of your choice without a saving throw is far beyond a 2nd-level spell, and the practical holes Skenk pointed out are another major design flaw.
@@illyon1092 I disagree. While it makes an exception to normal component rules, it's not like the official rules out of the PHB or other books don't have weird uses of components. Moreover, while the spell is powerful in its ability to disrupt a person's memory without a save, it's got such a narrow application that it's hardly broken. You have to really work to make it usable.
Any spell with royalty components *deserves* disrespect. Royalty components shouldn't exist.
@@eric_moore-6126 Jim Darkmagic: *laughs while shaking a coffer full of coins*
@@eric_moore-6126 I don't have a problem with royalty components. Functionally it's like saying "Material components: 2 gold coins that are consumed on the casting of this spell"
I don't really have an issue with Gift of Gab specifically, but my main concern is that if you offer gift of gab, then you open up the floor to debates over allowing all the other nonsense that IS both badly balanced and vaguely worded.
If you're playing AL, then it's PHB +1, and even with the unbalanced nonsense in Acq Inc, it's not worth giving up the stuff in XGtE, SCAL, or TCoE.
If you're doing a home game, it's much easier to just do a broad limit of "All books EXCEPT Acq Inc and Morty&Rick, though I'm tempted to toss in just about ANY IP-specific Handbook in that ban. Ravnica, Eberron, Mythic Odyssey, etc. If you aren't playing in that world, don't play with that book.
So you could be in a room of several people, yell something, then cast the spell so that only the person right next to you would hear it differently.
“This guys got a dagger!” and then replace it with a cough or something. You could walk away before the target knows why everyone’s freaking out.
oh that one is good
I think how it would work mechanically in game is it retroactively alters the memory of the target to not perceive those 6 seconds of time. Like King Crimson but with less suspension of disbelief. That way it feels like a catch-all response to any questions of how it affected the target(s), and could lead to more interesting memory manipulation implications.
This is probably the reason why devils don't deal in verbal contracts.
I am starting to get the impression that this character might be evil
There is a slight possibility.
Na, man. Massacring an entire tavern with a painful, skin-melting burst of flame just to get fresh corpses to reanimate is totally a neutral thing. 😜
Skenk McGenk: Confirmed Chaotic Evil since the Mage Hand video, his first appearance.
What's messed up about this, is the number of times I've rewatched this and only just recognised the bit where he says "Altruism is gonna kill you- just give it a try!"
I think he also uses it at start of video (you see his hand gestures and awkward pause? I think thats not the viewer but how HE perceivess what he is doing at the moment because of spell's influance
I might actually pay to watch a series where Zee's characters just interact with each other, MAYBE go on actual adventures, but stuff like this would be just fine.
@alida flus Nah, I'm not really into playing with mysterious strangers or on roll20...
Except, you know. For all the people who are brutally murdered for things like necromancy components, or because they got the last chocolate chip ice cream at the ice cream truck.
You could do an entire episode about silence. It's a great spell that no cleric should be witbout
Magical gaslighting
Arcane lighting
"This isn´t my clone room... uh drugs :D"
Speaking of spells with no save, and interesting information. Have you thought about using Sending? The range is unlimited, and you can send a quick message of 25 words. Most importantly there is no save. They can not stop you. 2am, you wake up and send a message of you Yelling at someone, to wake them up. Repeat to continue to distort there sleep, every day, for the rest of your life. Not only do you get to make them miserable, but their response back of 25 words will usually be groaning, pleading, and crying. Pure immediate satisfaction for our instant gratification lives.
You could also just use dream to harass them in their sleep with nightmares and potentially foil their long rest :U
Only useful if you don't need to sleep and can cast it repeatedly without hindering your spellcasting ability.
Which is exactly what a warlock with pact of the tome + aspect of the moon can do (as long as your prey made the error of writing their name in your book of shadows and you're willing to waste a name slot for this).
With enough dedication, you could even kill someone of exhaustion by harrassing them every hour or so
Comic Thanos would be proud.
@@sophiatrocentraisin Cast the dream spell, and use the nightmare effect to deny someone of their long rest
@@imUmoron Meh, takes a 5th level spell slot (granted, it can be used at the end of the day), you need to be at least 9th level to have this slot, and the target needs to fail both a wis save AND a con save to get exhaustion. If the target succeds both, they lose a point of exhaustion.
On the other hand, the stupid pact of the tome/message combo is possible starting from level 5, with a build that a pact of the tome warlock might actually go for, even without this intention (so you don't need to severely hinder your character to pull off this ridiculous combo), and only needs for the target to fail an increasingly more difficult CON save every night if the DM allows it.
Though, you could actually do both : harrass them for most of the night, then send a nightmare when you're close to the end. That way, you decrease the chance of a successful long rest (the DM would probably allow a test for the target of messages to be able to benefit from the effects of a long rest), with all the effects that stem from multiple nights in a row without a long rest.
Plus, being a warlock, you probably have a 5th level spell slot to spare at the end of the day (at the cost of a learned and a memorized spell, but that's worth it).
And yes, I'm not just talking "foiling a long rest" but "killing by exhaustion" there
the fact that the video was silent as the punchline meant that I was alone with my cackling laughter making me laugh EVEN MORE
Well done!
I love that he’s just getting high while explaining dnd, relatable content
Best I can think of is using Gift of Gab to reroll a persuasion or intimidation check.
I love the idea that someone with the Keen Mind feat is immune to the spell -- someone suggested that to me once, and I think it's such a neat and niche little immunity (the only one) to a pretty neat and niche spell.
I like the idea that it "works" but the person with keen mind is aware of what's happening and what was said both times.
This is my favourite kind of magic countering. One cover-all counterspell is so boring. Examples where spells have a very specific counter, like Magic Missile and Shield, are much more fun to me. So this idea that a very niche spell is countered by a single feat sounds really cool.
One of the things I loved about playing "Sorcery! 3" was that casting certain spells would cancel out the effects of certain other spells. Pairs of opposite spells that on the surface don't have related effects, but the casting process for each has this special pairing.
I picture it being more like instantly replacing the memory of what was said, rather than making them forget what was ever said.
one of my favorite parts of these animated videos is the flavor and details, like, "this isn't my clone room"
As someone that transcribes recorded conversations as part of his job... you'd be surprised how little people ACTUALLY hear what is being said. Your brain is designed to fill in a hell of a lot off blanks based on the general flow of the conversation. That is why I always try to go back and rewatch the video and reach my transcript at the same time. There is often large differences. And it isn't just cute substitutions like beach and -----. It is entire sentences.
This mostly happens, ime, in cases with a time crunch component, like if you have to transcribe something in real time.
Having done some transcription from video, I do not experience what you're talking about at all.
It's also one of my particular peeves in others; when they just make up things and decide you said them like they weren't really paying attention and just caught stray words here and there.
I'd assume I do the same thing, but approximately nobody has ever pointed out me doing it, so I can only assume I either don't, am abnormal in my noticing other people doing it (concerning for various reasons), or do so very rarely.
@@seigeengine the difference in experience might also relate to video quality. I tend to work with material from low quality equipment, and only one half of the partcipants knows how you need to speak tp be clearly caught on a mike. The other half tends to be nervous and emotional.
I, too, thought this spell would be useless. Until I got to a session when I failed literally all my deception, performance and intimidation checks and lost both money and hit points because of it
I played an Enchanter Yuan-ti and I made use of this spell like...once.
And mostly as a experiment to see just how many times I could backhand insult the BBEG to their face. It was cathartic and proved to me beyond a doubt that well they might have a high saving throw they didn't have any broad immunity to enchantment overall.
that was the first use I though actually LOL
Not actually an enchantment though - he says as much in the video
@@Darasilverdragon It is an enchantement spell. Just not a charm effect.
Mind Blank (and similar effects) can completely ignore this spell, since it deflects any spells or effects that could affect the creature's mind even at the level of Wish.
Gift of Gab is just Speech King Crimson
It just works
I imagine it works like an amnesiac effect, like you literally erase 6 seconds of a person's memory. Although if that were the case then it would have potential stealth applications.
Mind affecting (i.e. charm) then?
It also could be used to cover up Verbal only spells. They succeeded against your Suggestion spell in a social situation, replace it with another bit of dialogue. They still might know you tried to charm them but quick thinking could be used to reduce or negate the consequences
Ooh, ingenious
THAT is a prime use for this spell
I love watching these videos because of the lore you put into your cast of characters for them. Skank McGank will forever hold a special place in my heart.
So, I was playing in a party where everyone stuffed their foot in their mouth when role playing pissing off the NPC's, so I used this spell many many times in order to get NPC's on good terms with us then keep it that way. I also happened to be a elven rogue, so every long rest while the party was sleeping I would steal the gold back spent from the spell convincing them it was a curse which gave us great social success at the cost of taking our gold, but if we did well in social encounters the party wouldn't lose gold. Sure enough they started getting better at role playing, and my DM gave me a cool magic rapier as thanks.
Smoking in a video that is only 4:20 by coincidence, I'm sure.
I'm not sure how Zee's scenario would play out, honestly. Because BOTH representatives would hear the second phrase and one of them would hear both. So it'd be something like
Person 1 Hears:
"I'll never work for faction 2"
"I'll never work for faction 1"
Person 2 Hears:
"I'll never work for faction 1"
So, either way, someone is going to hear conflicting information if you don't plan it out carefully. You can't make them BOTH hear different things, since the spell makes EVERY target hear the same thing: the verbal component.
"SHALL YOU JOIN US, TRAVELER?"
"I'll never join you!"
"THEN YOU HAVE SEALED-"
*cast*
"Unless something drastic changes, yeah?"
"AH, GREAT."
Outsiders hear something accurate, target hears something favorable. All about that vague phrasing.
I had a Brass Dragon NPC (the ones who talk too much) with the ability to cast this spell at will. Good times.
I assume that the target's mind just.. blanks on the time covered by this spell. People lose track of way longer amounts of time than that every day, and never notice.
Fun use for this spell that most don’t notice it can replace verbal components of other spells with empty silence(or other words). So if you cast a spell where you hide your hands from a target they literally have no idea that you did it.
The issue is that there is no mechanism for hiding somatic components.
Imagine the confusion talking with the 18th level wizard that has taken this as their at-will spell...
The perception question being open is actually rather fitting, memory and how humans perceives events is a rather odd thing, and one that is often retroactively or proactively altered by the observers own bias even if it should realisticly make no sense. One of the most chilling observed examples of this was in patients who had special lobotomies to deal with epilepcy and researchers discovered that when visually separated the two hands would perform different tasks if the patient was ask to use them to perform certain tasks such as sketching or writing the answer to an open question. When asked about this the person would be confused for a moment before coming up with various and sometimes conflicting reasoning for why one hand drew a cat and the other drew a duck.
There's a much more mundane example of this that you're probably familiar with, maybe even heard of. Whenever you look at the second hand of a clock, the first tick appears much slower than the rest, almost seemingly frozen for a moment. This happens because when your eyes move to focus on a new target, your brain cuts that part out and sorta fills in the gap retroactively with whatever you are now looking at.
To be clear, lobotomies are the severing of the prefrontal cortex, which primarily controls a person's executive functioning. Part of that executive functioning is known as "working memory" in which the prefrontal cortex holds new information and ties it to stored information in the hippocampus, like the RAM of a computer working with a hard drive.
You're referring to a corpus callosotomy, where the corpus callosum (the main bridge between the hemispheres) is cut, which greatly reduces the hemispheres' ability to communicate. This doesn't affect your memory.
More specifically, it's the neocortex that's split in two. The neocortex is responsible for your conscious behavior: language, movement, and conscious thought. Essentially, this results in two separate brains that can barely communicate, and only through fringe connections. As you probably know, the two sides of the brain perform different functions. The right brain controls the left side of your body, and vice versa, but the right also controls creativity, context, and some aspects of sensory perception and recognition. The left side primarily controls logic and language.
CC patients may/will experience disconnection syndrome, either acute (temporary) or chronically. For the acute patients, normal function will be restored in weeks/months, but during that time, they will suffer from severe inability to control parts of their body. They may become incontinent, struggle with spontaneous speech, lose function of their nondominant limbs, even lose the ability to eat and breath on their own. The brain will adapt and reform connections in order to regain a semblance or even complete function. Chronic sufferers may develop similar problems but are unable to adapt. They may lose control of their nondominant hand, lose its function entirely, be unable to consciously sense things on one side, and other strange sensory problems.
The _interesting part_ is that both sides of the brain are still functioning, but only the left hemisphere contains the two areas of the brain that control speech. This means your body now hosts two minds, one of which is now essentially deaf and mute :( (although the right will still be able to recognize tone of voice and produce physical communication). Patients naturally feel as if their left brain, controlling logic and language, is their "actual" brain, but both brains are still "you". One will produce language for you to think and say, and the other will seem like a foreign and handicapped part of you.
Some patients will maintain some lexicon (your brain's dictionary) in the right hemisphere, so that your right brain may still identify words, but will be unable to produce language outside of gestures with the hand. In many others the poor right brain is now trapped in a world where it can't communicate or even understand words at all. Either way, the conscious part of your left brain that produces language is almost entirely unaware of the conscious part of your right brain that doesn't.
This results in things like alien hand syndrome, where the left hand (controlled by the right brain) acts on its own and will do things like grabbing items in the supermarket or smacking someone you secretly dislike. The "You" that can speak is unaware of the "You" that cannot. This is how you have scenarios like items mysteriously appearing in your shopping cart, and your picture example. Your left brain is unaware of what you see out of your left eye and what you do with your left hand. I believe it will just fill in the gaps as best it can, just like how your brain approximates what you see in your peripherals (but I'm not sure and I don't feel like looking up anything else). This means that your left eye can take in information that your left brain is unaware of, and can recall that information through physical communication, such as drawing a picture.
This phenomenon is portrayed very well in House, season 5 ep 24. Still my favorite show ^_^
I think the passage of time thing is simply the listener mentally losing track of the thing you just said. Everyone's had moments where they've listened intently to something someone's said and then immediately forgotten it, like a lecture or your parents giving you a task.
Love how his pupils dilate when he smokes. Lots of attention to detail
Gift of Gab is D&D's version of King Crimson.
I choose to think that the spell doesn't alter the perception of the old phase, but alters the memory of the spell directly by making it foggy, as though you naturally couldn't remember what they just said.
Most people don't try to remember word for word conversations in the near past. And if they do, it is almost indistinguishable from the normal fog of memory. later on in life, this fog is nearly perfect, so missing a six second part of a conversation in memory wouldn't be that out of place, or may just be shortcut by the brain and cut out entirely.
Maybe this interpretation could be used in a neat, edge case plot element where someone you interacted with has photographic memory, and thus that particular memory would be one of the few they have missing, and thus could send up a big red flag for possible magical tampering.
I feel like the best way is that what is being replaced just disappears, like how some thoughts go away easily when you have adhd
or like the men in black flashy thingy
I liked the way they used it in Critical Role (during the short calamity series)
Essentially a time reversal that can only be used for conversations
Oh my gosh...They are brothers still yelling perfectly at each other under silence! This feels like the greatest chaotic evil brother moment in D&D ever!
Best use of Silence I have ever witnessed!
Imagine how you could abuse this in a public setting. Say for instance you're interrogating somebody in a courtroom. You can ask a witness to confirm a false statement by asking him a flat out lie followed by a trivial true detail. The witness would have no clue what he's confirming while the jury hears him agree to your complete description of the events.
You'd need to be in a 5 feet distance though.
But that can be done by, like presenting some sort of "evidence" to the witness and asking them something about it.
I feel like it's when you hear someone and only process what they said after you sit there wondering why your mom would need mayo for the dog for 6 seconds
Funny
Actually you could use this to interrogate someone without realizing.
Simple information only but if you want to confirm the answer or gauge a reaction without consequence it'd be great for that
I just realized all the hand gestures he does are meant be somatic components. I always thought he just very expressive. I think he does them in other animated spell books but I can't think of any.
He does do those gestures pretty often so it's probably a way to throw off other casters.
Anyone ever break your arms so bad a rough sketch of your broken arms comes out of your elbows?
I feel like it would give you a sensation of like a mind lapse. Like you do something just out of habit or instinct but you don't remember doing it moments later and you're left questioning yourself. For example last night I went out and grabbed a bite to eat and I as I was coming back I realized I needed to make the turn onto my road and I was like "wait I have absolutely NO memory of taking the exit and going through the roundabouts before even getting here". I've made the drive so many times that I just kinda did it while my mind was just zoned in on the road.
Verbal king crimson
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every person with a crush would take this spell in a heartbeat. "do you like me?" gauge the reaction and either let it sail or retract your question and save it for later.
1:20 I was listening to this on my wireless headset while doing dishes and when this part came, I thought the guy got so angry he became a black hole and sucked in everything. I then thought my headphones just disconnected so I waited. I did not realize it was the silence spell.
In our campaign, the dungeon of the mad mage is like a reality TV show, so my character used this to advertise her band without the rest of the party knowing she'd done it
As cool as it is that you actually use this spell, the really cool part of your post is that you have a band! Now I want my next D&D party to be a traveling band!
@@Comicsluvr King Maxz Licht'Zhan, rockstar! She's my favourite PC by miles, she means so much to me. The rest of the party aren't actually part of the band, that's just maxz' thing
I can't get enough of Skank doing spell and alquemy shit int aht table, just looks so fun to watch
I would run it the misheard route. Because that gives it a non save counter in that if you use it too many times in short succession someone is going to start getting suspicious. More intelligent or suspicious types would catch on quicker, noticing how strange the conversation is. Maybe not enough to remember what you said before, but to drop thier relations to you down a peg and maybe become resistant to the spell.
they don't need to become resistant. Sometimes magic should be magic, and not just systemic. I get what you mean as an option, but you don't need to balance it and everything. If they start picking up oddities because someone did not do it well, they will find out and prevent the issue...guessing like Skenk McGhenk's own brother that something is up with that compliment sandwhich.
That Silence cast was one of the funniest spellcasting gags I have ever bloody well seen.
Fifth time watching this, and I just noticed that he cast it on his brother in between too. Dang
Totally.
I imagine that the the target probably would remember you taking but won't be able to recall anything that was said.
Or what if it’s like a small gap in their memory?
Only times I've seen Acquisition incorporated spells allowed in a campaign is when a DM didn't know that's where the spells were sourced.
Due to the cast time this indeed sounds like an infodistortion spell,rather then a backpedal spell.