For all the Self-proclaimed theologians.
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- In this video we cover (superficially) some of the studies that are undertaken in a Catholic Seminary with a good traditional curriculum.
Some of the books are available for purchase at shop.thecathol... though not all of them. We recommend anyone who undertakes these studies to be advised and guided by a Good Catholic Priest.
By the way: this video is not meant to boast or to say that I am the best theologian. The point of it is that we should be prudent when issuing opinions or statements… there are many things we often ignore. Also This is what Priests in our seminary study generally. I can’t vouch for other seminaries.
Hello, Catholic Wire. I'm really interested in learning more about our Catholic Faith, philosphy and critical thinking by my own, but I have little to no time to read that much. Still, I think it's important for the people to educate themselves in the faith. What study resources woul you consider the most essential besides the Bible and the Catechism?
In advance, God bless.
I think one can start with the fundamentals of catholic dogma, the magisterium of the church and read papal encyclicals when you get a chance from Gregory 16 onwards. Every catholic should know those things
@@thecatholicwire Thank you so much! I'll keep these in mind.
Yes, few seminaries today require Latin.
@@therealsnaily If you don't have time to read a lot then outside of the Bible and Catechism there really is nothing for you. However, the Bible and the sacraments alone are our best teachers-but you really have to fast and pray. Along these lines, I would devote my time to praying with the Church through the Liturgy of the Hours before I would spend time formally studying theology. However, with that said the most condencsced treatments you will find are going to be Henrich Denzinger's Compendium or Ludwig Ott's The Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma. For a lay person without any theological or academic background probably Ott's book would be the best single source, and you can get a copy through Baronius Press.
I run into this as a lawyer. People "Google" a topic and think that the answer is right before them. I've spent 18 years practicing law, and 21, counting law school. One pleading for an appeal could involve reviewing 500 cases alone. You (and I) make it look "simple" because we do this for a living, but it is not "simple," nor is it "easy." I do not profess to have your knowledge. I am heading toward confirmation this year. Bless you Father for your channel, and its service to the Lord!
This exactly demonstrates why we laity DEMAND faithful and Holy priests and bishops who (although human and fallible like the rest of us) take their vocation seriously and not as a way to mislead or provide their own personal interpretation of the Catholic faith.... good demo...
EXACTLY
The scriptures says we r all priests.
@@cmasdanz the scriptures also differentiate between ordained presbyters and kingdom priesthood
You all have my respect father. May God bless you
My dad if one of the few lay-people to formally study cannon law and now works for an archdiocese. My parents house is still filled with book shelve upon book shelves filled with books like these covering all manner of theology, canon, biblical understanding, Latin, Doctrine and Dogma, and more. Massive to anyone and everyone that puts in this much work to understand the faith.
Really like how you presented this Father. Nicely done
This is one of the best points made in a TH-cam video that I've ever seen. This is one reason why, on my TH-cam channel, I always keep my topics BASIC and appropriate for a teenage layman to cover. There is no use pretending to know more than you actually do.
Thank you so much for saying that Philosophy is necessary before you study Theology! It's something I've noticed as I've become more interested in Philosophy, and it helps me to understand how to interpret things better as well as understand some teachings, like the Hypostatic Union, and the Eucharist! God Bless you Father.
The main takeaway I got is (whew) I don’t have to study all of this. I can rely on the true Catholic church God led me to. I’m not that studious so I often feel like I’ve not done enough to keep up. But memorizing the catechism (parts for baptism/ confirmation) and our prayers and paying attention to the readings, the commentaries on the readings and the sermons from you holy priests is enough for my brain! I prefer to spend extra time praying rather than dissecting things that I shouldn’t be concerned with. I do understand why some people are so into theology and philosophy though after experiencing the novus ordo “church” . However, I think most people ( lay people) find the true church by grace and prayer, not through intellectual reasoning. Thanks to you and all the CMRI & other true priests for studying for us!
You´re a great example of humility! Congrats. In my opinion, it´s the most crucial part for a true faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, Whom was so humble that made Himself human to pay for the debts of our sins. And, humility, is the only part in which we can defeat satan, for as Saint Moses the Black said: “You fast, but Satan does not eat. You labor fervently, but Satan never sleeps. The only dimension with which you can outperform Satan is by acquiring humility, for Satan has no humility.”
I agree, we should not, after a few books reading, assume we know so much and fall pray to spiritual pride. But remind ourselves that we should do everything in good faith and with charity, and most importantly have reverance for the clergy.
Thank you so much Father for sharing with us a part of a cleric's study.
I found many books appealing for future reading, like the encyclical set I did not know was in print.
God bless
Thank you Father for studying all those books so we don't have to 😂
And then tell corny dad jokes the whole time when on the pulpit. Yes it’s great….
If you are talking about me, the point wasn’t to say that Priests are perfect, it was to say that we should all be prudent before making theological assertions, specially if we are lacking any of these studies.
@@thecatholicwireFather, how do we reconcile this video with 1 John 2:26-27 and then answer those saying this is merely a passive attempt at an argumentum ab auctoritate?
By confronting it with Matthew 28:18 and ff. Also with what we see written in the acts of the Apostles.
“St. John here referred to those he spoke of in verse 24. Who learned the word from the Apostles and received the wisdom of the Spirit. St. Augustine explains it thus: “behold brothers, the sound of my words touches your ears, but the teacher is within you…Is it not true that many now are hearing my discourse…? Yet how many will leave without putting it in practice? It is therefore Christ within us who instructs us…”
Yet notice that even though he acknowledged it is the grace of God that makes the teaching give fruit, the instrument for that is the word of those sent by Christ.
All of the teaching of revelation rests in an argument ab auctoritate. (Divinae). Nothing wrong with that.
R.I.P. Father's beard, you will be missed
That's awesome. Haha
Point well taken, thank you Father, God bless you and pray for me
As an Anglican I've appreciated this Catholic perspective on what studying to become a priest involves.
I've always been curious about the course materials covered and this video has help to provide an answer to that question.
I have a desire to study Theology and if God wills become a Reverend one day.
I know in the body of Christ we are all different and not everyone is really interested in this theology thing but personally I can't help but have this interesting desire to know these things and understanding.
Though from all those books I can tell that condensing all that information in a bid to try and explain things to a lay person must be challenging at times.
May God bless you and continue to sustain you in your ministry
Makes me wanna become a priest even more tbh
I do too but also don’t know if God is calling me to be one
niiiiceeeee
Try the seminary. You will find out for sure. Mater Dei seminary CMRI.org
This is an excellent video. Point well taken, Father.
Unfortunately many seminaries don't actually teach like this, I think we would live in a very different world today if they all did
Meaningless. Pharisees and scribes were well educated as well.
Our doctors are well educated as well, and how many of them recently ended up hurting people by ridiculing early treatment and then offering them quickly cooked va$$ines...
I don't advocate Credentialism. At the end of the Video I make it clear that Virtue is also necessary, a moral formation, life experience, etc. Thanks for your Comment.
Could you list the titles and authors of these works Fr?
By the time I'd got to the tenth minute, I was laughing out loud. Father, you certainly made your point, and one thing you did not say you were taught in seminars was the inventive use of video resources.
Thank you Father for showing all of the books you have studied. It gives me a greater humility when comparing what little knowledge I have.
I would love to read those books but the Latin is going to definitely give me a headache.
Father, God Bless you, Do you have a list of the name of the books so I can at leat try to learn about those topics?
(This video wasn’t a selling scheme) many of the most important ones are in shop.thecatholicwire.org
So you can see the list. Several are found free online. That’s not all but is enough for a serious beginning.
I strongly advise to undertake such studies under the advice of a Priest.
@@thecatholicwire ok, thanks, I understand what you have said and I usually like to have those lists so when I have more time, I sudy, and usually I like to be on advice of priests
Awesome love the Channel 🙏🙏🗝️🗝️💯 Catholic 🙏🙏 lot's of books 📚📚
I think many would have more respect for Roman Catholic clergy when they realize it takes more years (6) of seminary than medical school (4) to become a priest.
Appropriate since the health of the soul supercedes the health of the body.
Not only did you make your point crystal clear but also made me want to delve deep into some of these books! I will be asking my priest for guidance. Thank you!
I think there are two reactions to this video, most laypeople are like “Thank God I don’t have to do all that” but then there’s the small number of my other autistic brothers and myself that are like “…I could be a priest!” 😂
Im 75yrs old ,I ve read most of those books, Dogmatic and moral theology and mystical theology and more! its a lifetime work but worth it as it protects you from heresy and apostasy.
Powerful message for someone who loves to study
I was once told by a Protestant preacher, that they more than the Catholic Priests. I want to track that person down now and just send this video to them. God bless you for making a very good point. You’re everyday priest has probably forgotten more than more laity know.
Every person who calls himself a Christian should know the Law, and not these man made fictions, but that Law, the Law of the Prophets left to us by the Lord Christ, that is found easily accessible in the Bible.
It is not just the priest who should know that Law, but just as in antiquity every man was required to know the Law.
What’s that in the Law… Deutoronomy 17:9?
“Thous shalt come to the Priests…and thou shalt ask of them, and they shall shew thee the truth of judgment?…”
But true, everyone should know the teaching of the Church, given to us by Christ. As he said: “He who heard you hears Me…” thank you! God bless!
@@thecatholicwire Most Catholic versions would state "Levite priest" in Deu. 17:9, a group of whom do not exist anymore. With the Second Temple gone, we do not do animal sacrifices either, but that's not the only thing that changed from the Old Testament(OT).
The OT was not even the fulfillment of the Law. The one who came bearing the Word changed quite a number of things, one of the most famous examples being Christ's Sermon on the Mount(Matthew 5+) speech to the people , whom he educated in that Law.
The reason Christ did this is obvious, because the temple where the Holy Spirit resides is in the body of man.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 - New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple[g] of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God, and that you are not your own?
20 For you were bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body.
It is requirement for a Christian to know that Law, just as Christ himself gave it freely to his people.
I think priests and bishops get jealous from the self made theologians because they if not all know more than they do and didn’t spend thousands of dollars to attain this knowledge. Another judgmental catholic. I don’t understand how the Catholic clergy have become so judgmental. This proof how the Catholic Church is going down hill because of judgmental priests like this. It would be nice to see a catholic priest exactly practice what they preach.
There are many well educated and smarter lay people that know more than I do and I respect their opinion. My only point is that if one is going to opine on the topic, one should be well informed; specially if it’s in public.
Pray for me so I practice what I preach. I try but often fall short certainly.
Be aware that no one can take your place in studying the word. Know for yourself what it says, or you will fall in error. Jesus said: You are in ERROR, for you KNOW NOT THE SCRIPTURES. The Bible also calls EVERYONE to study many times in the New Testament. I don't want to be controversial; I want to warn you. Besides, studying the word is beautiful.
Yeah, but studying the Bible by yourself is not smart, because you will do something like take the first creation story literally when it was not written literally- it was written in a mythological style, and the literal interpretations on details that are not literal has been a major, major, major problem. This comes directly from studying as if you are the authority over the understanding of scripture, without the huge corpus of thousands of years of biblical experts.
Bless are thee father. I'm studying religious sciences in Italy to work in history and Patrology one day and this is beautiful
Father, there are also the many pneumatic music scores of liturgical music and chants of the Church. God Bless all our studious Priests!
Smug clericalism and little else.
No, all I am saying is: if you are engaging in these discussions you need the proper preparation.
Knowledge is vital in the practice of your faith, but virtue and growing in sanctifying grace is central to your relationship with God. After knowledge you must attend to your interior life.
În cultura ortodoxa de la Athos Maica Domnului e teologul...cea care I duce pe Cale...pe toți preoții în general,cred ca n Revelation se face curățenie și n tre preoți logic
No offense, but this video is the epitome of elitism, it demonstrates exactly why the Pharisee weren't listening to Jesus.
No offense taken! That is true when virtue is not instilled in clergy. But remember there were some doctors of the law who DID follow Jesus. So if we try to bring virtue with the knowledge of revelation, then things work out well. (Still working on virtue so thanks!)
The book of acts say many scribes and Pharisees did join the church
I really want to show this to self-righteous prots who think priests don't know the scriptures.... I mean.... really?? You? a self-proclaimed bible expert? against actual theologians? ha! get lost
Piece of cake, Father! I'm so kidding... You make a good point, quite visually. 👍
But can you tell the difference between the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character?
But but but Tik Tok pastors say they know better
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Hello Father,
Firstly, I greatly appreciate this video, but I have a question.
It would seem here you say "The Odyssey" as in the ancient work by Homer. I am curious; what philosophical value does this literature have?
I said “Theodicy” the study of God according to our natural powers.
@@thecatholicwire woops, my bad
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Hello Carlos Aeda, I was just wondering as a layman what books should one read to get a good grasp of the catholic faith? I don't intend to be a theologian or a priest, but I would like to have an entry lvl knowledge of what makes our faith so unique and profound.
Besides the Baltimore Catechism (in the USA) and the Bible; it’s good to add the Catechism of the Council of Trent, the fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Denzinger (the magisterium of the Church) and papal encyclicals specially of the last 2 centuries 1800- onwards.
@@thecatholicwirethank u so much Fr, btw would I need to read books on philosophy, sociology, & psychology to have a more in depth understanding behind the aspects of the Catholic faith?
I would start with the ones I mentioned and then move on if you’d like, specially with the philosophy by Glenn…
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Honestly, I would imagine that far less than 1% of priests have even a superficial understanding of all those books. Less than 5% have the intellectual capacity.
In the Vatican II church (which I don’t follow) they don’t study these anymore
@@thecatholicwireso you’re not in communion with Rome?
Still confused as to why my priest during his homilies makes people giggle with awful cheesy life stories??
Are you sede ( popes since 1958 not popes of the Catholic church because they taught heresy) Sounds novus ordo to me. I experienced that constantly in novus ordo ( those that have the buildings but not the faith)
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my because sedevacantists are true Catholics as the church was at the death of pope Pius XII. It’s wholly different than Protestantism.
I have seen an uptick of 'wanna-be' Catholic theologians over the last few years. Lay pretenders to that level of competency there is nothing new about - except for the growing number of them, What is a rather new development is the arrival of a number of priests literally calling themselves theologians - who do not have sufficient theological breadth and depth to warrant the title of theologian. When I was an altar boy in the 1940's & 50's - you never ever say a parish priest or bishop calling themselves theologians. Why? Because in those days, most Catholics knew that real theologians were as scarce as hens' teeth. They knew - because their parish priest had told them - or they had been told in their required theology classes in a catholic college or university that: A "theologian" possessed in-depth expertise in every major branch and sub-branch of theology. It was still that way when I began my theological studies in 1959. But by the 1980's it was becoming common for some layman or priest to claim for himself the title of theologian - because he'd been granted a PHD in theology from some Catholic institution of higher learning. BUT I KNEW from my later theological studies that virtually every prominent DISSIDENT Catholic priest or layman being called a "theologian" -- he or she held a PHD in theology from somewhere. By the 1970's, PHD's had earned the commonly heard epithet that "PHD's come cheap these days. "Unless someone with a PHD has total command of both the breadth and depth in every theological discipline -- they are a wanna-be if they call themselves a theologian.
I will gladly agree to that. Hence knowing our insufficiency we should be cautious with our statements and teachings. Thanks for your comment.
Who is claiming to be a "theologian?" Apart from yourself? That seems to be implicit when you use the word "self-proclaimed." Who then is *not* merely self-proclaimed? And what makes them do? The possession of books? My collection is over 600 volumes. Am I then a theologian? Is it the reading of them? I've probably only read 1/3 of my collection. I have read hundreds of others I do not currently possess, however. Does this make me one?
Perhaps the best answer consists in not thinking of things in terms of "theologians," whatever that even means, and instead practicing your faith? Jesus Christ did not own as many books as I do. He didn't make proud TH-cam videos either. I am not accusing you but I hope that is not what you are doing.
It would be hard to name the video (to be more accurate) “a criticism against all those who pretend to teach or make definitive assertions regarding issues of faith or morals without a sufficient preparation, whether it be spiritually speaking or intellectually”
No, I Don’t pretend to be a good theologian (although I should be.) the point of the video is that there are many twitter warriors out there speaking of very serious matters rashly and I would want them to at least know what fields of knowledge one needs to cover to engage even in the most basic spiritual functions, so that we are all more cautious and prudent.
Respect and empathy is the foundation of all fruitful discussions. It is good to see this shown in a visually way
Which seminary still uses Noldin in Latin?! Amazing!
We don’t use it as a textbook. It’s up to each seminarian to peruse it.
Very interesting! Im glad catholic priest are so well equipped. Could someone who doesnt want to be a priest study this program?
With guidance
It’s funny, it’s normal for those who state that actual sins like lust, greed, pride, are sins, to say that they also struggle with those sins, but I have yet to encounter a person who accuses others of having ‘bad theology’ of admitting that they themselves also struggle with bad theology. Those people always have the perfect theology.
I am actually very bad at retaining these studies. I could use to study continuously.
Aren’t you a sedevacantist?
That's like 4 or 5 years of reading to become a priest.
Im gonna try to read those lol
And to think that the disciples were all illiterate men.
Indeed. What we study is what they thought.
@@thecatholicwire what are the earliest sources of what they thought? Obviously many people thought different things from the Ebionites who rejected Paul to Marcion who rejected the god of the OT.
So, all priests, bishops and the pope have no excuses, they all must guide the Lord's sheep well, right ?
God bless you, father.
Exactly. We will be seriously accountable before God, much more than anyone else.
But also the beginning priest just had scripture and life experience.
(Of course, more books are useful, now that we’ve gotten so far from the apostolic age).
Between stuffing his face with potato chips, my fat Christian roommate in college said, "You only need one book, the Bible." Then he continued his tv program, as I stood there shocked of his reply, holding three Christian theology books.
I didn't know what to say to that, it was sort of true. hahaha.
>tfw your "traditional" curriculum has almost no writings straight from the saints
No, most saints did not write organized theology. The writings of the saints are read on a daily basis by each seminarian in private (not in a class) and that on personal recommendations. (Mater Dei Seminary)
@@thecatholicwire blud has never read Bonaventure or Scotus. dawg these are my traditionalists 😭😭😭
I actually have read both. But not their entire works, I am on the process to do that. God bless!
@@thecatholicwire tbh all jokes aside it feels like the average seminarian get more in studying in philosophy if they stuck with the basics of Aristotle + SS. Augustine, Boethius, and Dionysius instead of being taught the manuals, which tbh suffer from mad amounts of the "second-hand author" problem. This prepares them to study the scholastics in a genuine way, by presenting them the works and first principles that formed the scholastics in the purest concentrate, instead of presenting them with Great-Value brand St. Thomas as exemplified in 20th century manualism.
There's a reason, say, Thomism died out and it wasn't because of modernism, it was because people were trained on the manuals instead of the OG stuff. Like feeding a child formula instead of milk. And so a lot of the people raised in what was essentially discount Scholasticism grew up to either be weak philosophers, or straight up abandoned Scholasticism.
I don't think the manuals solidly prepare someone to really think for themselves. They're not leading you through the dialectical mazes of Aristotle or the midwifery of ideas of Plato, which helped you develop the skills to really engage the medievals, who are extremely important for Christianity.
Not to mention the manualists at times have really weird takes on what the philosophers thought. A personal gripe is there also isn't much mathematical training in this curriculum, which is a bit weird, considering the role that mathematics had in the formation of minds so as to prepare them for philosophy, in both pagans like Porphyry and Christians like St. Gregory the Wonderworker.
I don't think this curriculum is exactly the best. It doesn't seem very rigorous, and to be honest, the philosophy portion seems kinda made for midwits. And I think young men deserve better.
I see your point. This is the basics.
I would be very happy to guided by priests with that formation and that desire for the truth.
But someone or something took it from us. I can't imagine not a single one of the priests or bishops around me having something close to this level of study.
For me, the self-proclaimed theologians are just a symptom of the spread of the disease.
Very true! Try to find Priests that don’t follow Vatican II
@@thecatholicwire Thanks Father
Thank you Father 😂
I find memorizing anything is only useful if you understand the text. I've studied belief concepts since I was 7 after a NDE. That unknown experience cased me to study Neurology, Philosophy and Psychology as well. I don't believe in magic or fairytales. For me they're not useful. I have practiced different forms of Religious concept throughout life without following the community/religion itself based on trust issues. I was actually fairly disappointed after I studied multiple Languages and Semiotics of Geometry and Mathematics. I metaphorically hit a wall. I understand everything I've studied from Science multiple Religions, from the Egyptians and studying hieroglyphs, I've studied Sanskrit for Hinduism and Hebrew for Judaism. I personally studied so many religions and mythological concept to realize we have have various interpretations and beliefs about the nature and attributes of God. However, that's what we see. That's what we can articulate with language and our eyes. After all of my studies, I've come to realize God is real, some concepts use metaphors and concepts of polarity, but after knowing rather than believing. I chose Catholicism. Many people in my life have asked me why, if I'm so smart why believe in something that may never be proven. My only response is. It's been proven time and time again, yet we ignore God and the beauty he gave us to be selfish. So I simply chose the people rather than myself. Something, cant come from nothing. I'm able to travel the world and still be at home with Catholicism. Every country I go, I get to experience the same consistent structure and culture. While sharing Gods light to remove the darkness from the world.
This is a bit misleading. The majority of those books contain massive sections of appendix and footnotes. Additionally, many have dual languages (latin + english, greek + english), effectively doubling the size of the book + with the afformented appendix and footnotes most of what is actually read is often less than half of the actual books size. Print size as comes into play. Loeb Classical Library publishes books like this.
If you spent everyday reading philosophy (Aristotle/Plato), the writings of the Church Fathers (Saints, Doctors, and heretics), the various Local and Ecumenical Councils, Papal Bulls, Papal Encyclicals, Various Catechism, Middle Age Apologetics, Church History, etc. It would likely take about 4-5 years of little sleep.
😂… I find it interesting how difficult to believe this seems to some people. Your remarks are not true in the case of these books. You can find them online and check.
Our seminary lasts from 4 to 6 years btw, effectively with little sleep. 😉
Father would your stipend be enough to pay my rent for a month? I need $800 for rent and food. Pax vobis.
I actually get less than that from stipends. 😂
@@thecatholicwire Ok, never mind. In your charity please pray for me. I'm in a bad place in many ways.
Sure will!
Thank you father. It is good to get a picture of what priests studied at sememary.
In post-conciliar seminaries almost none of this is taught. In the official Church of St
John Paul 2, Benedict XVI, and Pope Francis,
The formation consists primarily what what could be compared to comic books in light off what you are discussing here. The traditional theological sciences in all their demanding rigor were thrown in the dumpster in many seminaries in the 1970s and 80’s.
can you share a list of all of the books, or can someone redirect me to them? It would be good to have the full list in the description - I know it's hard work, but it would be helpful!
Dios lo Bendiga Padre y la Virgen lo guarde, por abrir los ojos a la virtud de la prudencia al emitir juicios sobre la revelación. Ello no es un juego, nada mas y nada menos que el alma, es lo que esta en la linea de fuego, y es bien difícil salvarla, e intentamos combatir por ello cada día. Agregaría al video, cómo en los buenos serminarios la penitencia y el abandono a si mismo abren camino al amor de Dios real y práctico y preparan al Sacerdote a las virtudes que lo convierten en fiel servidor de Cristo. Prodigio que solo se halla en la verdadera Madre Iglesia Católica.
And then there are armchair theologians who barely remember CCD/RCIA. We ought pray for them…
This is right, reading the Bible completely, repeatedly and carefully in order to selecting (cherry picking) verses to fuel their supposedly "biblical-only", "scriptural-only" narrative of their "chruch", does not make these guys theologians nor their org a church.
Saddest part is that with all this required reading, many priests that I have met do not know the Bible very well or the child’s gospel.
Benedictus
What an exemplary post. Thank you very much, Father. When it comes to lay commentators who become a wee bit too adamant, "Fools rush in..." Pax Christi tibi.
All those books and couldn’t read FS properly. What a shame. Pray for all the mislead by Protestants (Sedes, EOs, etc) and for all who promote these false churches.
Where was the mistake in the video on Fiducia Supplicans? Did you watch the whole thing?
I very much respect this. However, if this holds weight….then why is the church in such a mess? How is the church teaching against its own teaching? How can it be logically consistent to comprehend all of this and then end up with with a church rife with the errors of modernism unless a. Priests are deliberately ignoring what they know b. They don’t know what you’re saying they know c. They are convinced of something superior (which would destroy your argument)
D. They are just sinful
So. Respectfully Father, plenty of people have just cause to be angry with some of the clergy.
This is just an appeal to authority. As the old English saying goes “you dont need the brains of an archbishop” to know something is wrong when it is.
Even a cursory glance at the errors of modernism will prove this.
Appeal to authority is the Roman Catholic way.
I hold that the Bishops and Priests that adhere to the Vatican II have lost the faith and are therefore not truly Catholic.
And yes, not all Priests know this.
@@ninjason57well, Saint Thomas Aquinas, the golden standard of Catholic Theologian, says that: "argument from authority is the weakest". So, no, authority is not what makes something being correct.
However, authority has a role. If you study the history of all ecumenical councils and infalible Papal déclarations, *all* matters were object of study by faithful theologians for centuries prior - among other requisites.
The father in this video points to two principles : humily and filial reverence.
That streams from the the 4th commandment: honor father and mother, that includes all elders and superiors.
Of course none of them are perfect, because only God is, so, part of the commandment includes tolerate and be respectful even when our elders are not wise, pure or holy.
In some cases we can act - if our father is abusing our sister, we should fight him and save her - but that's not the majority of cases, far from it!
Maybe you should watch this video again. 😉
The more we study in depth about our faith, the more realize how much more we don’t and we cannot just rely on ourselves to have the answer to everything. Thank you Fr. for this one. May I ask if you can put the list here of all the books that you have mentioned and shown in the video. I hope it’s not too much to ask. Thank you and may God continue to bless and use your gifts to enlighten us.
Can you post a list of all the books?
Yet we have sooo many shallow priests.
We can thank Vatican II for that.
Thank you Father. Although if this was a game of Tetris I think you lost 😂
i don't need to read 400 theology books to know that blessing gay marriage is a sin.
Exactly!
Yeah… I would have all these books… but I’d be more the case of “to have them available “….. lol 😂 Thank you father and all good priests for what you do for the world!!
This was brilliant 😂 God bless you
For every know-it-all willing to argue with a priest without the proper credentials, there is at least half a dozen person who assume that priestly ordination provides supernatural knowledge about everything.
During Advent, a friend of mine gave a conference on Saint Joseph in our parish. Very few people attended compared to the one a priest gave the week prior about Our Lady. Among those attending, someone asked :
- "Why isn't Father Suchandsuch speaking here today?"
- "Because I know more about the traditions around St Joseph than Father Suchandsuch, who's more versed in Mariology."
- "How can it be? You're not even a priest."
- "M'am, I teach priests the course about St Joseph at the Great Seminary."
-"How can you pretend knowing more than priests at the Great Seminary? Isn't that a prideful thing to say?"
Can we just respect and appreciate a person's knowledge for what it is?
There are a lot of lay people that know more than I do I’m sure. The point of the video is to be prudent and to help know what we might ignore.
Theology is a very unique major. The only one where a child, who has never studied it, can be closer to (and can know more about) the topic of the study, than a theologian with a PhD. who read all these books the Father presented.
I am not a big fan of theologians, neither the Catholic ones nor the Evangelic ones. Neither the self-proclaimed nor the ones with a doctorate.
Studying canonical law, the Church's history, Latin or Greek doesn't guarantee that you become closer to God, the subject of your study.
To know something about God requires a long period of disciplined learning, but in addition to listening and following God's words the lectures have different topics: Humility, Altruism, Charity, Prayer, Fasting, Moderation, Sacrifice, Patience, Compassion, Forgiveness.
I’d agree with your comment. To be Close to God science is not the main thing. Charity is the most important. However faith is not to be disregarded and for the faith God has been kind enough to give us safe teachings in his one true church. Thanks for your commment.
Would love your thoughts on the "fewness of the chosen."
Respectfully we are all theologians. As we worship, read the holy Scripture, pray, participate in the sacraments…. We all grow as theologians. We must take care to learn from priests, teachers…. And we will be good theologians…
This is RC Sproul's claim, but it proves too much. We all practice practical theology and grow, but we all are not theologians properly speaking. Neither do we need to be, thank the Lord. We have an actual authority to appeal to.
The problem is that the faithful can clearly see that our bishops simply don't know a whole lot. What does it matter what they've studied if they've forgotten most of it along the way? I think every one knows a few good priests, but again as a whole they're not an impressive lot. Anyway, it's not the priest's job to be my theologian; it's his job to offer me the means for my own sanctification through celebrating the sacraments.
I agree. I put no stock on the formation in Vatican II clergy and seminaries. This is what was done in seminaries previous to VII…
Take prayers to Mary, the idolisation of the Eucharist, the intercession of her priests and all their man-made theatre away from the catholic and such would have no religion left.
Take away the Catholic Church and the Protestants wouldn’t have a Bible at all… 😉
Thank you, Father.
One older priest proudly told me that he made it through his entire seminary formation without knowing a word of Latin. If he made it through, then certainly there are Bishops who made it through without studying much of what they should have.
True! Specially in the Vatican II church. We don’t follow those changes…
Greeting. I am a student at the Orthodox Theological Faculty. You father (I call you that out of respect) only listed the books that should be read, you didn't mention how much effort it takes to learn it all. How much patience is needed, how many sleepless nights, how much sweat and tears are needed to get that diploma. No one understands how much effort it takes to learn ancient Greek or Latin. No one understands how much philosophy needs to be known in order to illuminate the path to theology at least a little. And now I have a case where I have to argue about dogmatics with some protester who has read the revelation twice. Give me a break. I don't care about your opinion. I don't know everything, don't get me wrong. I'm only halfway through my degree and I'm losing hope of finishing this on time. But these are some things that annoy me. I will mention you in prayer, father. Mention me too for the enlightenment of my mind.
Yes, you are right. I cannot mention everything in a 12 min video. Pay attention at the end, I also say one needs formation, virtues, experience etc… Praying for you!
Email me to talk about your position if you’d like!
It’s nice to hear theology sparknotes that boil major teachings and concepts about God and the supernatural.
my brother got the whole library down there, God bless you from italy
and oh so many things that pride can do to a oneself.. and it's bad for their soul.
i like this vid hehe! nice one Father! XD
The point is not to brag. But to ask for Prudence to those online making rashly weighty statements in matters of faith and morals.
As a protestant, I apprechiate all the reading that is done in a Catholic Seminary. It motivates me to read more myself.
Do you support idol worship?
That’s an old lie against Catholic and you know it well. Catholics worship only God
@@thecatholicwire I have seen catholics kneel down before idols.
@@thecatholicwire My eyes do not lie.
@@southtechie If I got it right then the solid defence of "idol worship" shows that it is not actually worship. But when we look at how some catholics practice it then it may very well be idol worship. And if someone worships an idol, as in gives it glory that is only reserved for God, then I'm against that. If they don't do that then I think I should practice some humbleness as this doesn't seem to be a salvation relevant topic and people don't need perfect theology to enter heaven, as long as they follow Jesus.
Where can I find the Papal encyclicals?
I like the subtle smirk… this man has a sense of humor 😂😂😂
Ty for showing us the way Padre!! Cristo es Rey!!
Pints with aquinas, Council of trent...etc...