Central Hall with Kapil Sibal, E01: Dr Subramanian Swamy on the State of the Economy
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In the first of a series of casual conversations with politicians, jurists and subject experts, Kapil Sibal, a former minister of Human Resource Development and Telecoms speaks to Dr Subramanian Swamy, economist and former Union minister for Commerce.
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The crossover we wanted but never expected 😂
May be that's the beauty of it all 😊
Modi hai to mumkin hai 😢😂
Greed can unite enemies to fight together
@@nm5269yes . Moody ji's greed can unite enemies together.
@@gkontop haha last me jese bola swami ki We both should be in Cabinate thts proof
And jese ye gyan dera h sibbal he was in Cabinate for 10 years what policies he made to push Manufacturing
Just bcz of so called Secularism and Anti modi people, Common sense mar gaya h 🤣
This is the kind of politicians we need .... they represent different parties but still respect eachother.....
saibal sir not political...he is more advocate than politician....he talks loopholes in law and how bjp interprating those loopholes politically.
They don't have party!!!!
They are tired of bitter fighting, ab thande hain
Once Subbu was a congressi.
One of the best discussions I have seen on indian economy. This really helped me get a sense of current state of our economy. Please do more such deep dives on economy, social aspects, foreign policy etc. Thanks
How intelligent people talk without teleprompter or behind radios. Excellent and contemporary brilliance.
Nice.... Never expected these two to be on the same platform discussing important issues so amicably.. a ray of hope
Just for modi hatred.
Though Im not a fan, I admire Dr.Swamy's ability to SPEAK bitter TRUTH for the larger benefit!
Grapes are savour.out of power hunger for power .Above seventy five ?? Nothing positive they can do.Negativrly yes ,Kapil can do .Kapil greatest number one ??? Exporter of beef ,people say.Great economist !!!!!!!!! ?????
nope - all these dont matter anymore.
both the guys are aggrieved and over aged unfit for anything productive but absolutely counter prductive.
My ideas about Dr. Subramanian Swamy has totally changed. Very honest and clear exchange of ideas and knowledge.
He was like this before also.
Excellent conversation....Got to know about the thoughts about the Indian economy at present moment is really shocking!! and feels that India should rethink on economic growth as said by Dr.Subramanian Swamy... It was great learning !! to know the facts which was discussed in the interview and questions putforth by Kapil Sibal Ji... Respect Sirs!!!
Very nice initiative! Sir, please popularise it. GDP doubled in the last 10 years, before this it had doubled in the last 6 years and before that in the last 7 years. Please spread this truth and also ask your party to do it.
Thank you, The Wire.
Three broad takeaways for someone like me who may not understand much about the complexities of the economy:
1. The service sector may be contributing a lot (21:09) but we need to grow in different sectors, and not just manufacturing but also to look at agriculture with a fresh perspective.
2. The suggestion regarding the MSMEs (26:25) and the couple of suggestions on Indian economy for 2024 and beyond (27:41) seem practical and feasible, should be considered by the government.
3. NASA (01:45) never did any research regarding use of Sanskrit. It was one Mr. Rick Briggs, who worked with that organisation and published a paper in 1985 in his own capacity. Briggs suggested that a 'natural language' can serve as an 'artificial language' also, and for which he gives examples from Sanskrit grammar, but he does not claim that that 'natural language' is Sanskrit. What is clear is that his paper titled 'Knowledge Representation in Sanskrit and Artificial Intelligence' was published in the spring issue of Artificial Intelligence magazine, which has nothing to do with NASA. As a viewer, therefore, I would like to focus on the other issues put forth by the discussants regarding the AI.
Thank you.
Linguistics defines Natural Language, of which there are many.
In contrast , Linguistics also defines Artificial Language.
The final added comment of Dr Swamy’s was great!!when there are many paid media that have a big role in India the Wire deserves the credit for this true and transparent discussion!
Biassed*
It’s leftist media.
Very good conversation and very valuable insights from two great experts.Thank you both of you.
What a economic session... I had made notes of this discussion... Literally from repo rate to gdp saving to nation debt to federal structure to internal liberalisation...❤
Very interesting and useful discussion, love it.
Who would have thought that Sibal ji would be interviewing Dr Swami 🎉. Awesome 👍
Really like a bolt from the blue.
@@desiruth yeah bro 😲
Weird indeed...a politician from one party interviewing the one from the other in government and agreeing together in almost everything....
Needs of the time - or should I say desperate need of the hour
@@123watcthey both agree our economy is facing a serious crisis
This discussion is very much required to be addressed and published massively and reaches the majority of people, so that our beloved people can understand the gravity of the situations worsened. Thanks. Good enlightenment and I too agree to both understanding and facts addressed. Vijay Nair from Bengaluru 🙏🙏
This is the first time I'm witnessing Subramanian Swamy show respect in his eyes towards the interviewer. Both are eminent players in the internal game with immense knowledge.
What a delight to see 2 scholars , seasoned politicians, professionals and bold speakers on a same platform. These are the kind of politicians that India saw before 2014, who can contest against each other yet they can sit & exchange notes, bounce of their knowledge and opinions in the interest of country.
Extracts and points taken from this discussion can create significant value if present ruling party is serious about growth and are concern about country’s current state.
I must thank you for brining 2 brightest minds on WIRE. Looking forward to see many more. I believe attaining knowledge through reading books is one thing but listening to such conversation is absolutely a wholesome bucket full of knowledge and wisdom. Thanks Mr Sibal, Dr Swamy and Wire team.
It was great experience listening to Mr Sibbal and Mr Swamy who are great brains available in country. Good beginning, it would be more interesting to see them discuss wide ranging issue's even those where both Mr Sibbal and Mr Swamy might have differing stand.
Thanks The Wire for having such brilliant discussion on Indian economy! Only Dr. Swamy can put mirror before Modi government. Exceptional conversation between Sibal and Dr. Sawamy on present economic conditions and ways to come out of the mess. 🙏...
It is a real surprise and pleasure listening to the talk of two great stalwarts of the country on the subject of economics. Thank you so much..
From Pak🕊I’m a huge fan Dr. Swamy. I always make sure to watch his talk shows they are so insightful. Wish I can meet him in person, seems a distant dream though. Thank you to the Sir K. Sibil also for such a wonderful programme.
Swamy ne. Ram mandir ... Ke liye fight kiya. Lekin. Abhi. Duble standard community ke liye. ...Lag rag raha. Swamy bjp ko. .
You should see his views on islam😂
@@Rasovaisha I have & I know…it’s his opinion & I don’t mind. I have said in my comment that I watch his talk shows.
Heartening to see 2 intellectuals discussing Indian economy after a long time. Don't know how many people will take it seriously but its a fact that our economy is in SERIOUS state and it needs immediate attention from COMPETENT PEOPLE...
The most needed economic and political discussions like this between centre left and centre right in Indian politics. 💥
Though Im not a fan, I admire Dr.Swamy's ability to SPEAK bitter TRUTH for the larger benefit!
Parting comment that "you and I should be in Govt!" Is telling. Well done Wire. Very good piece on Indian economy's real state - look forward to such sane debates in future
It gives me hope seeing both these eminent personalities coming together to discuss the economy at this very critical juncture. Our economy needs to change directions and revive itself to enable prosperity for hundreds of millions of Indians.
No wonder they are old pal !
To be critic is damn easy than being dedicated-to-nation performer. Pitty they think only the 'Two' are capable experts.
Future of well being as well as strong economy depends on agriculture. When reforms attempted by Modi there was protests all over north india, supported by foreign funds
@@Madraswala Modi himself no idea about farm reform who advised him Ajit marathe
@@JayantBarve let us hope for more eminent persons both from within the BJP and from the opposition parties coming together and working towards some economic solutions. We need it badly today.
Davos and IMF was forcing that bill on India .and the clown who brought the economy on its knees by notebandi and poor structuring of GST was forcing on farmers @@Madraswala if u are a farmer then u can see through prism
Sensible n informative discussion👍🏻coming from 2 people who are from opposite parties but best at their own field, law n finance👌🏻 nice initiative👏🏻
Nothing is happening in consensus it one-way to hell
What was discussed ---- Nothing substantial all at ..... I will watch a few episodes and then get a better idea of the Depth of these two Guys who claim to be some kind of Heros !!! These 30 minutes appeared like a farce and an attempt at trying to keep relevant in the diminishing Market of Rajya Sabha Free Float Tickets !!!
Best!! My foot.. kapil dibble never won any case in his life and look at Swamy.. he is another Satyapal Malik.. totally waste..
What a beautiful show.
Great start to New year.💯
very very good that 2bright well known persons from opposite party coming on together and able to discuss country's issue thank god and hoping more and more like this discussion happens showing that india can lead the universe . 😀
We really enjoyed so informative discussions on the present state of economy of our country between Mr.Kapil Sibal & Dr.Subramanian Swamy.
ये दोनों महानुभाव काफी समय तक सरकार का हिस्सा रहे हैं। सरकार में रहते हुए अर्थव्यवस्था के लिए कितना योगदान दिया ? बैठ कर लंबी लंबी फैंकना आसान होता है परंतु वास्तव में देश के लिए कुछ योगदान देना मुश्किल होता है।
Great discussion. So informative. Praying for you gentlemen.
@@yuvrajverma1393इन महानुभाव ने ही भारत की आर्थिक व्यवस्था को आगे बढाया। आज जो ग्रोथ देख रहे हैं, उसके बीज तो मनमोहन सिंह और नरसिम्हा राव ने बोए थे। अटल जी का भी बहुत बड़ा योगदान था।
यूपीए के काल में ग्रोट ७ प्रतिश थी जो आज के रेट से बोहत अधिक थी।
Sir what’s the book called that Dr swamy is referring to that he has written and indicated at the economic charts. Pls share
Timing of discussion is very important🎉 last sentence is conclusion in addition to scholary discussion on such a technical aspects of Indian economy 🎉
I love when intellectuals have a conversation its just so enlightening!
What can be more interesting than seeing two people like Mr Sibal and Mr Swamy who speak their mind taking part in a discussion ?
Two diametric opposites have come together when Brahmanism is under threat Both Brahmins are now creating propaganda when Modi ji is cutting the roots of Brahmanism slowly and efficiently. Without Brahmins realising that they have lost complete control.
this was one of the very best episodes on the state of the economy that I heard of late...both the gentlemen from very different political parties coming together and forming a common ground for economic development of the country.
@@anantkris6350 He wont. Hatred for Modi
@@Madraswalawhat did modi do for the country? All of his schemes are copied from UPA. He is merely harvesting the crops that were planted by PVNR, MMS and ABV
@@Madraswalaboth don't support modi. What they said is that modi should not be there on power
Thank you Kapil Saab and Swaamy Ji. That's a great conversation. Thoroughly enjoyed. You made it so plain. The ideas of Dr.Swamy can propel our country's economy and make it a robust one!
Yes, you people "must be in the government".👍
"We need personalities like them on the Upfront stage." Very nice discussions.
This is why a lawyer should take a interview. How finely he guided the interview is amazing.
Great start by the Wire. Refreshing and informative. Kapil sir doff my hat at you. Cool and calm no shouting yelling just intelligent conversation
Supreme Conversations
I have been waiting for this combo finally 🎉
Hearing something sensible after a long time. Keep the program going
Yes his line about mandir and oppression by minority was the peak of this
@@subhamkumarsingh5667 No doubt he is communal when it comes to politics. But his views on economics are sensiblle.
@@mohammedkoduvamparambath4271Allah ka kamal. Iski bacchi ek musalmaan ke saath humbistari ki aur nikah kiya , lekin phir yeh Hindu musalmaan se nafrat karta tha. Ab kaise line par aa geya hai. Sabr rakhein , 10 se 12 saal main Islam mazboot hoga aur hamari haalat 2013 se pehle wali ho jayegi.
@@aadilansari5997Islam majboot nahi barbad hona hai tension Mt lo
Which 'Cloud Cuckoo Land' do these people come from ?
Where there is NO such thing as the Government, Responsibility, Accountability anywhere, what are they talking about?
Finally! Two intellectuals with different ideologies, talking sense. This isn't like 10 people on screen screaming. This is high quality content
Thanks Wire, for this wonderful discussion between two intellectuals. One question whose ans I was waiting for was, how our media is playing a crucial role in destroying country's progress and how this media issue can be fixed.
❤ informative possibilities. Thanks
Putting Mr. zero Loss Sibal in intellectual column is a bit hilarious
@@vicky1b. Sorry for your lack of comprehension and discernment!
@@joymascarenhas3491 Sorry for your lack of intellect . Please enlighten me
One intellectual had called Sonia a Bar dancer and RaGa a British citizen
Great job The Wire. We want more such podcasts
He has also said more than 30 percent of Muslims in a country means the country is in danger 🙏🙏
The simple fact that Mr Swamy says he is the only one that knows economics n can save the economy in a country of 1.4 B people is enough to know the credibility of him and his intentions..
I agree to your observations and plus I know his historical background in Indian politics.
😂
Very nice to leasing. Thank you Mr. Kapil ji, I sailut You!🙏
Healthy conversation & Congress is doing good job,younger generations to listen & do debates
Need more of this conversation to uplift the level of arguments in our country.
Fantastic interview! Income Tax abolition is a game changing idea👍
My vote will goto whoever promises the abolition of Income taxes this coming LokSabha Elections. Which party can do it?
So enriching, mutual respect for different views but keeping the important things in forefront while maintaining the dignity.Inspiring.
That is the kind of conversation should need in current economic situation(our country) also need to implement ....Happy to see u guys sharing the common platform.
It is wonderful and joyful to hear two of the erudite and anarchists of our times.
😂😂😂😂
Haha.
Soo true.
I was shocked to see that swamy has descended to such heights
Best part was hw kapil sided the mandir argument
@@subhamkumarsingh5667 anarchist was purposely used and in the positive way...
Yes. or else, who can help a gov asking ILLITERATE POPULATION to help RING-UTENSILS to scare away corona/covid virus !
धन्यवाद हमारे देश के अनुभवी वकील और उनके तर्क हमें आपकी जरूरत है ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ excellent 👌👌👌👌
Definitely need more of such conversations.
Mr Sibal I admire you as one the most intellectual lawyer of India. You have everything except the spirit. Your fighting spirit with communal forces ended with your departure from Congress. Best wishes✋
I love to listen to Subramanyam Swami Ji not because is takes on Modi rather for two reasons:
1: He is a Hindutvavadi however he doesn't promote any violence.
2: He often listens the other person and speaks his mind. He speaks what he believes in. He is not a hypocrite.
From BJP, I like Rajnath Singh Ji and Gadakari Ji as well.
You should listen to Dr. Swamy's interview with Karan Thapar on the Augusta Westland Helicopter Scam. Dr. Swamy kept saying to Karan Thapar, "you are an ignoramus. You know nothing". It was hilarious.
You can google for it.
All sangis are fanatics, fanatacisn leads to fascism.
Swamy is a Hindu with non Hindu wife and son-in-law
@@user-rg7jt4xp9y Swamy is a Chinese man on indian side 😅😅
Oh my i didn't know that all the violence of the world (Hamas ect) are Hindutva 😅😅
Sirs, Amazing discussion among intellectuals. Can't find better word to appreciate it. Just Superd. I wish I had professors like you I'm my college days. 👌👌👌👌👌
Honestly india dosent have a liberal education system
we do have a ultra conservative orthodox society is work in progress @@lakshyavarshney9942
@@lakshyavarshney9942It's further being destroyed
@@jhakku1401 but many aspects are better, there is something good and unbeatable about making edu and employment like the West, whatever it is leftist dominance must end now or never, we don't need teaching to be about safe employment avenues for most and nothing else, permanent job, pension kinda protest are stupid. Fyup isn't necessarily a problem
Wonderful Sibbal! I liked this conversation. I hope more in the coming days
Such a great conversation, filled with knowledge and intellectual toughts
What a delight listening to two great scholars and seasoned politicians. We need many more discussions like this so that ppl are aware of the real state of economy and other issues in country.
So Independent,impartial thoughts in todays godi media era.Dr. subramaniam swamyji is.Yours rich experience is need of hour.
We need liberty
From a BJP member to being a congress ka dalal, Subrahmanyam swamy has come a long way.
Subu Swamy is no one's dalal, he is the one who put Sonia Gandhi into place and he will speak what he thinks is right
This is old age ego. Leave him
Thanks gentlemen for pronouncing your not so needed verdict for swamy.
What a wonderful conversation! Full of ideas and humility at the same plate
Worth my 30 mins!! What a good conversation starting with hottest topic in the world regarding AI. People of India should open their eyes and see how inept out present government is and steering India towards an economic downturn!!
Very informative! We need more leaders like Dr Swamy.
One of the best conversation in a very long time 🙏
Tnx for the open- hearted invite & the open - minded- bharathiya arthik sthithi par charcha! Real pleasure to have both stalwarts finding a common ground & a common issue aided by a common patriotic sentiment discuss , when we increasingly realise that federalism & freedom of expression are getting shrunk.Prof,Swami ji is totally frank in his analyses as he points out the lack of real economists aiding the present Central Government, the existence of a certain fear even among the Central Ministry,not to talk about those in the States,& the ground- level cadres of even the Parent organization, the RSS.Seems a cabal or the oligarchs running the country,even excluding the respected RSS top brass![A good example of this is allowing the slogans of Modi ji k Guarantees,Modi ji hy tho Sabh MUMKEEN HAI! Have they dissolved their history & submerged in the Modi& Shah Waves of? Subbu Swami ji is right in his views that both the preservation of values in our ancient heritage and creting avenues for greater economic development are equally important. True, the one feeds into the other. The lurking uncertainty in the Central ruling junta about the mandate is due to the unceremonious attitude of their own curated andh bhakths, who react , to anything even slightly critical of their masters, without using their sense of mature thinking.Moh maya me ulaj rahe in andh bhakths ko kabh sahi disha bathayenge ,oh Bhagavan? Wishing the election results will educate everyone,pro- & anti- Modi sections of the electorate, lessons in Indian democracy & federalism.Partisans must learn that their Parties are superior to individuals & not vice versa.Vandhe Matharam,Vandhe Bharatham! Best wishes for every indian. 29:56
Great conversation,want more of this from mr. Sibbal
Our country needs governing by sensible and informed people like these . Booth are highly qualified and well informed with precise knowledge of what is wrong with this country and how it could be put on the right track. We have many suc talented people but no one around to collect them together and do something about the way it is ruled these days
Fearless discussion. Absolutely great. The people sitting on top should carefully listen and adopt what is good for the economy.
Excellent! Thanks Mr Sibil and Mr Swamy
This is the kind of Interview India & democracy really needed
30 minutes is more than 30 university lectures. Well, Done Sri. Kapil Sibal Ji and Dr Subramanian Swamy. Expecting more lectures. First time I found someone even better than Karan, you were calm and effective.
Please dont criticise karan thapar. I think karan sir is english version of ravish kumar
Which university?
WhatsApp university😂😂
@@shankars4281 Almost all except JNU.
@@shankars4281 😂 modi whatsapp University
Now that sibbal lost all cases, he is trying to find another occupation
It's great to witness two stalwarts discussing the Indian economy. Worth watching
Two Hypocrites. 👎👎
😂
What an excellent conversation . Yes we need this politicians for our country.
Very healthy and good conversation, I appreciate. Again Mr. Sibbal keeping it on track. Thanks for proper convey...
Many thanx The Wire for bringing these two geniuses on the same platform.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Excellent discussion. I think this is the kind of stuff most Indians are not exposed to. With two knowlegeable veterans discussing Indian economy, there's a lot of sound information people should be aware of, and not wholly depend on the figures put out by the government.
Finest minds of our Nation
Excellent discussion about reality 👍
Expect more discussion like this 👍
Quite a tête-à-tête from the two stalwarts, very softly spoken and their words of explanation seeps easily into the head. I couldn't get enough of it. India, that is Bharat, need this type of knowledge, experienced, and patriotic person in the government set up, who would not only raise the economy of the country but will also raise the standard of living of the citizen, resulting in making India great once again.
*Please keep the episode running.
Hats off to such scholars @Kapil and @Swamy. Thanks for the enlightenment
*By the discussion of these two legends, I understood how essential a leader is to be well educated.He should have the minimum qualification of economic development skills. Swamy rightly said you both should run the government 😊*
Legends conversation, enjoyed so much
Mr. Sibel and Dr. Swamy, your intellectual honesty is remarkable to put things in perspective if someone in the current government has the intelligence to pay attention. A great snapshot of the Indian economy, its potential and challenges, the people of India are hardworking, decent people, and they deserve better.
Swami handed over his daughter to love-jihadi. That makes him very popular with momins.
Resp/Sir
Great Conversation
All the best
Expecting many more such EP
What I infer from this unique interview. Firstly, appreciate the way query put across by Mr Kabil was apt, fantastic and level playing. Started with AI and ended with unemployment solution MSME etc., - it's inversely proposnal. I remeber at this point of time how we lost Mr Raghuram Rajan - and reason how, why from where Mr Dos came from. The 80/20 formula apply less than 20 percent holds 80 percent of Indian Economy. Say India inc. it doesn't flow beyond that. It's clear India contribute for Global Economy like Amazon, Wallmart, Google, Apple on tax concessions. These 4 companies Revenue is more than Indian economy and then to India Inc. If this being a case how the per capita income will grow. Disappointment is both the legends failed/forgot/ignored about Indian Farming and it's Economy which was suppose to be the 68 percent contribution for our economy as it was ore independence.....anyway🎉😊😢...
It was really amazing and upfront..
Atleast in last few years some one took the economy seriously and discussed the facts in different aspects. ..
Great work
A briliant discussion by two briliant practical intellectuals. Thanks Mr. @kapilsiwal and Mr. @subramanyamswami for enlightening us on Indian economy.
Real humbled patriotic and open heart discussion it blows the hidden truth to understand the facts. We expect from wire more topics like these types of wise person's.
Highly informative and thought provoking.....will be waiting for more such conversations ❤❤❤
We would like to congratulate the wire for this amazing interview..
It's a great initiative by The Wire. Looking forward to more such discussions on this channel. May I suggest that you must bring in Lt Gen HJS Sachdev for a discussion on the Agnipath Scheme. The nation has a right to know the implications of a scheme which has a direct bearing on our national security.
Loved to see Mr Sibal in this new format
Sir first of all thanks for this program. And that's your greatness that despite of being from different ideological group you sat together and discussed all this. Hope for such programs in future too 🙏🙏🙏🙏
it is really motivating to see people who are having such good conversation better than watching any series or documentary
We are missing these discussions on the main stream media
A new awakening. Inspiring talks. You, two patriots triggered a lot of interest , that where the emphasis is needed to resurrect the economy now, apart from service sector.Laudable effort by Wire, to bring the two brilliant minds together .The nation is listening.
Wow. Truly impressive. This is how discussion should happen. Hats off to @TheWire for such a commendable platform and initiative.
Dr. subramanian might have polarising opinions that align with the ruling party with respect to the atrocities currently taking place in India against minorities. I belong to one. Be as it may, you cannot deny the absolute knowledge he glows with, economic maestro as he is, he is the definition of a great politician. I love how they do not align on most of the current regime’s decisions with respect to minorities but still are so beautifully celebrated for the knowledge they hold within their respected fields. Amazing interview. New found respect for Dr. Subramanian. This comes from a minority member of the population haha
Absolutely a great interview ❤