More Deer Forage And Easy, Awesome Wildlife Habitat: Before and After TSI (715)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2022
- Take a look at this amazing example of before and after Timber Stand Improvement (TSI) on a Kentucky hardwood forest. The trees prevented sunlight from hitting the forest floor so there was nothing there for deer and other wildlife to eat - and no reason for deer to stay on his hunting property. This example shows the real life, current state of the woods that were not improved right next to the area that received TSI (timber stand improvement). The landowner found it very easy to do and the change was much quicker than he thought possible.
Before the TSI there was little wildlife movement and deer did not stay on his property. After the TSI many deer were frequently seen in the new cover and deer browse. A fawn even appears while this video was being recorded!
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The landowner makes a great point when suggesting how satisfying working on the land can be. I know when I harvest a deer off my land it is all the more fulfilling given all the effort my family has expended.
I agree 100%. It's like eating a vegetable from your garden!
Now THAT was a great followup segment!
Thanks!
That left to right pan at 5:55 is incredibly powerful. There is an EASY visual difference between the two.
Isaac - Yes - closed canopy forest are not productive at the ground level?
Awesome
I’ve been doing this for a couple of years and all I can say is it works big time!
Being a steward of land aka gamekeeper is so rewarding!! Great video!
It is fun to watch habitat quality improve significantly!
Wow that’s impressive . There’s a summer tanager just lovin life in there lol
Phil - It was a great habitat improvement!
Awesome follow up! I've done some similar TSI on my small property. It sounds like frequent burning with some of the burns being growing season burns are best. That's what I believe I'm missing. I'll continue to work on it.
Love watching your videos and learning from you guys. I hope you are all healthy and happy this summer!
Yes - Growing season fires are a very important tool to improve habitat quality, increase the quantity of forbs, and decease the number of hardwood sprouts - all without a herbicide!
Awesome !!!
Thanks!
Love Kentucky
Me too!
I pray to God in 3 to 5 years that you're able to come to my land Mr. Grandwoods
I look forward to visiting and touring with you!
I'd love to see an update on the farm in NW Kansas
I hope to return to that location. Unfortunately, CWD is limiting the age structure in that area.
Man I’ve got so much work to do! My place looks like those big timber stands with no food but white oak acorns. Only bad thing is such steep hills. Hard to get a tractor on it for anything.
Hard work, determination, faith in the lord. An you can always get.the job done. Good video
Thanks!
Good to see you, looking well. May i ask where you got your hat please?
Sungrubbies.com!
Awesome stuff! Wouldn't it all be a muddy mess in the winter or do you guys plant clover when all that green starts dying?
No - there will be some green during the winter - some native species are very cold tolerate and there will be lots of stems, etc., from the warm season forage that will cover the soil.
Thank you for the amazing information and side by sides. Our 240 acre property looks exactly like your pre-TSI areas. After much study and with the help of these videos, we now have a vision! Would you happen to know the target basal area you’ve hit in your managed areas? Something in the 40 sq ft range? Thank you once again!
40 to 60 Basal area based on the tree species.
Thank you once again for the information! Largely white oak and popular but do have some white pine areas as well@@GrowingDeerTV
As always I enjoy as well as appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us. I do have a question regarding burning in hardwoods. I did a dormant season fire in a native pine and hardwood mix after a thinning. I ended up losing a lot of the hardwoods due to the fire damage. Some of the mature oaks died the first year some the second and some the third year following the fire. Any suggestions as to where I went wrong? I have about 150 acres left to burn but hate to see my acorn producer trees die.
You mentioned a thinning. Sounds like there was excess fuel close to some of the hardwood trucks. Fine fuels very rarely get hot enough to damage hardwoods - but larger fuels will. You might check out the area and see if there are larger fuels or signs of larger fuels close to the trees that were damaged.
@@GrowingDeerTV thank you so much for the reply! Maybe that was my issue. It was the season afterwards that I did the burn. Would it help if I blew/ raked the debris away from the major hardwoods or would that be a waste of time?
@@heartofthehunt6986 a little late on this reply, but usually you want to spread the debris around and don't pile it up. Make sure your fell trees have space between them so the flame doesn't build up.
What about stands of hardwoods with a lot of cedars mixed in. I assume the hack and squirt won’t do much for opening the canopy.
It would be best to fell the cedars. Be careful to feel the cedars away from trees you wish to leave so a prescribed fire won't harm the best trees.
Dr. Grant, it's interesting the differing views biologist have on certain practices. I've noticed in recent videos that you are not a big fan of stump sprouts. I also follow the MSU and UF Deer Lab's You Tube pages and those biologist praise the use of stump sprouts, aka "mineral stumps", as a wildlife enhancement practice. Is there a reason you do not recommend stump sprouts?
MSU also admits that these sprouts often grow out of reach of deer and become an issue. They block a hunter's view, shade out the much higher quality forbs, etc. Why create a future problem?
So I live in NE Iowa and have the great stuff on the ground that they will eat though our cold winters they love that new hardwood, raspberry, gooseberry even wild rose bushes. I'm kinda confused about why you don't talk about hing cutting here it opens up the canopy and helps to rout the movement. I agree hack and squirt has its place I also use that way in places over the years. Next time anyone tells you that you won't be able to walk through there explain to them that our foresters tell us to do it because the small branches fall and rot down first and your left with just the trunk of the tree and when it falls it dosnt do as much harm to everything else. Yes I know hing cutting does but like I said they both have there place. Great video
Rick - Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I almost never hing cut. The limbs grow out of reach of deer within a year or two - no feed and they shade out any cover. There wasn't any hinge cutting until a few years ago and deer did fine in northern ranges. Deer do great in eastern Colorado, Nebraska, North Dakota, etc., where's there's almost no hinge cutting.
@@GrowingDeerTV I hope you didn't think I was saying anything bad I was just curious and now I think about it I do believe u stated that in a older video. I watch allot of different types of things people do and try for wildlife. U r right about it but I kinda use it as a screen and I have got good stands of red osher dogwood started in the parts the deer can't get in and pray the rabbits leaves it alone. I've noticed the birds spread the seeds good. We r finally getting decent stands around here. Love your videos and your advice and videos has my 14yr old son even out making our land better. Thanks for the reply and taking the time to make the videos
What chemicals do you use for the hack and squirt? He said glyphosate didn’t work as well
Ben - some folks use Crossbow and others use a blend of 50% Garlon3A, 40% water, and 10% Arsenal AC. Crossbow works quicker, and the other blend may control a few more tree species.
I’ve been doing a lot of hack and squirt using the garlon / arsenal cocktail on a lot of mature sweet gum trees. It’s January. I’m treating them pretty heavily with chemical and I think it will be effective. One question I have is whether I should expect to see some results this spring? Will these big sweet gum still leaf out in 2-3 months this spring or will this cocktail do it’s thing before then?
Brent - The rising sap may push the herbicide out of the hacks. I hope you let me know. I suspect the trees will leaf out and if the herbicide works it may take several months.
@@GrowingDeerTV I’m anxious to see the results and will follow up with a report! Thank you for all your great content. I’ve been a growing deer viewer for several years.
I believe this strategy works but you showed a winter picture first to compare with a early summer picture.
Greg - we first toured Gary's property during the early spring - but with a closed canopy very little will grow at ground level - anytime of year. Plant growth requires the sun's energy to be productive.
Gotta use the sitka
For habitat?
Looks as if the before vids are from March, and the after vids are from August. Apples to Oranges.
Which means the canopy would be thicker with a full spring to grow and and it isn't. Just take it for what's it's worth.
Jim - we first toured the property during the early spring. However, check out about 550 and see a comparison at the same moment between a closed canopy forest and one where the canopy has been opened. There's no denying the effectiveness of this technique to improve deer, turkey, and quail habitat quality.
That’s what I thought at first. But then they showed the unimproved part right next to the improved area and it was night and day.
People pointing out the comparisons in the beginning of the video being in different seasons obviously did not watch the whole video. At 5:55 if shows a real time side by side video of the TSI forest and non touched forest.
Yes!
Dr Woods. How do you manage second growth timber. Tons of trees all within in 6-12 inch in diameter. Thick
Ugly. That's tough and often expensive to manage. That situation is often called a pre-commercial thin - meaning the landowner usually pays to have the trees terminated rather than being paid. It be accomplished with hack and squirt techniques. You didn't mention the tree species but there's a slim chance the timber could be sold to the pulp market.
@@GrowingDeerTV central MO, south of Jefferson City. Lots of young oaks. Overgrown pasture which is now a juvenile over populated patch. I want it to be more beneficial to wildlife. Maybe have cleared and let grow back up? Manage from that point with prescribed fire?
@@mxer822you could have it cleared but then your starting over. I would try thinning out the smaller trees. Put distance between the big trees and see what happens in a year.
@@StevenPfeiffer that’s what I have started doing, cutting the less desirable trees and doing some hack and squirt method as well
@@mxer822 we are in sainte gen, mo area. One of the biggest challenges we have is controlling regeneration growth from selective logging and trying to keep that back under 3-4ft. I have a few areas that are seem impassable for wildlife. Not sure if I should burn it or let them mature and tsi again.
You comparing before and after, however they are not same season, of course is a HUGE difference if you show early spring vs early summer
We first toured Gary's property during the early spring - but with a closed canopy very little will grow at ground level - anytime of year. Plant growth requires the sun's energy to be productive. There's no denying that closed canopy forest won't produce much forage or cover where deer live.
Or you can just wear a scent lock and not worry about the wind swirling I am a firm of 100% believer in Grant woods hes an amazing man he has helped me a ton but I'm telling you something else that has help me that is set locked to build a go into a hill where you know the wind is gonna swirl but not have to worry about it now you have to follow their protocol 100% you have to cover from your head down if you're headed down it works
I'm glad it's working for you!
It would be nice if the comparisons were taken in the same time of year. Comparing an ugly fall/winter video to a nice spring/summer video is not valuable.
Please refer me to your hack n squirt solution/spray
50% Garlon3A, 40% water, and 10% Arsenal AC