Argentine 1911: Model 1927 45 ACP Gun Review
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- Colt Sistema Model 1927 in 45 ACP was a Colt licensed 1911A1 that was produced until 1966 in Argentina for the Military. It's an exact copy of the 1911A1 with complete parts compatibility. Big thanks to Fiocchi USA for Supplying our ammunition! #ColtSystemsModel1927 #Argentine1911 #1911
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My father used to talk about how he had bought a rusty Argentine Colt 1911 for $50 privately back in his early years. Unfortunately it had been stolen a long time ago. I never got to use it. He had both sanded and reblued it. He had put a lot of time and work into it. According to him it shot great. I inherited all of my father's firearms after my dad had passed in August of 2020 from a year long battle with cancer. May my father rest in peace!
R.I.P. you father bro 🙏 God bless you 🇺🇸
Sorry for your loss. RIP
Was it reported stolen? If not and you come across the s#, report it. They go on a nationwide database and are never removed. If it ever goes through a pawn shop or dealer, it will go through the police station and they will run it through the database. Maybe one day you'll get it back.
@@ScrappyDooToo I wish, sadly my dad had never thought to write down the serial number before he passed away. He had bought it privately. (So no existing paperwork to speak of 🙁)
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I picked up one of these many years ago at a gun show and still have it. Mine is from 1946 and in mint condition. Another great Argentine pistol is the FM (Fabrica Militar) Hi Power clone, very well made.
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How do we know the difference Sootch?
..got a few if them.myself.. I ignored them...figgered you had nothing to do with it...long time subscriber here
IVE GOT A .22 Ace copy made for the provincial Police of Buenis Aires...built in a Systema 1927...bought in CA 1996..paid IIRC $ 350 for.it
@@enricomandragona163 The channel name is a cell number, not Sootch00
I’ve served in the Argentinean Army for 6 years. The sidearm for Oficers back then was an argentinean made FN Highpower. Excellent quality, it’d be cool if you find and test one. Cheers!
Então você é argentino? Saudações do Brasil, hermano.
I have one. Got it new, at a gun show. I've had it for 5 or 6 years. I love it. Wouldn't trade it for anything.
Yo estuve un año en el Colegio Militar y sigue siendo la pistola, al menos de los oficiales instructores que estaban en mi compañia
I have one of those I paid $200 for it from Gander Mountain Up here in Detroit it was a piece of crap but with a lot of love and tender care it is now a very well functioning sidearm it was amazing there was nail marks where they used the slide as a hammer the blueing was totally gone it was Woreout and it took a lot of work to get it functional Great video brother thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise hello from Detroit Michigan Silver and gold lead and brass And steal
The first Colt adopted by Argentina was the 1911; not the 1911A1. They designated it the Modelo 1916. When in the mid-1920's, they approached Colt to purchase more of the 1911 Modelo 1916, Colt informed them that they no longer made the 1911. However, Colt offered them the 1911A1 and Argentina accepted it, receiving 10,000 commercial models in 1927 and 1928. When Argentina manufactured their own 1927 pistols after WW2 on Colt machinery, they turned out a product as good as anything made in Hartford. The quality of the 1927 is superb. The Argentines throated their barrels which improved reliability and those I've shot will feed round nose, hollow points and semi-wadcutters without a problem.
Many of these copies from the 1920s and 1930s were made with Krupp steel from Germany.
Im fortunate enough to own the quadfecta of 1911’s- a Ballester-Molina 1911, a Ballester-Rigaud 1911, a Colt Sistema 1927 and a pristine Colt M1911 A1.
I've had this exact gun for a few decades now. According to this serial number chart I found on the net mine is the 366th one they made. Mine never jams using 4 different mags including a 15rd pro mag. I've never had to replace a part on this gun. 👍
When I was in High School over 50 years ago, one of my friends had one of these. The recoil spring was so worn that with the hammer cocked and taking a normal grip on the pisto, you could cycle the slide all the way to slide lock just by quickly making a whiplash motion. We never got a chance to shoot it, he traded it off before we could replace the spring.
That's one worn out spring. You'd have to put mad rounds through a gun to wear the spring out that bad.
I had one! Haha. Argentine Colt 1911. It was worked into a match pistol before I got it. Novak rear sights. Raised front sight. Used it for match shooting mostly. I think I had eight or ten USGI mags with bumper base plates. I liked it just as much as my first pistol that was a Thompson Auto Ordnance 1911A1 that I had to work into a good reliable and accurate bowling pin pistol. Thanks for sharing, Don.
Soy argentino y me emociona ver una 1911 de fabricación nacional en un canal americano de armas... 😊
Aca en el estado de Tamaulipas Mexico mtoco ver una .45 colt q tiene gravado propiedad del ejercito de argentina era negra con los petatillos dorados
The 1911 - Best firearm anywhere.
Snappy little gun. Owners love it .Enjoy your gun and embrace its history.
I had one years ago. I loved the fact that the grip circumference was just a tiny bit smaller, it felt great. Sure wish I hadn't sold it !!!
DGFM = Dirección General de Fabricaciones Militares (General Directoriate for Military Workshops). FMAP = Fábrica Militar de Armas Portátiles. Military Workshop of Portable Firearms, a consortium of several industrial facilities including the "Domingo Matheu", "Rosario", and "Fray Luis Beltrán" facilities.
Colt System, Model 1927. Most if not all of those were made on the Rosario FMAP facility. During 1952 firearms under Gen. Estigarribia and a core team of engeneers and metalworkers, its quality was world class.
Always wanted a Ballister-Molina for the historical ties to Argentina… but for what this offers… I feel like its a better firearm for practical usage
Almost every time you see a 1911 in the hands of a movie character it’s a Ballister-Molina.
Or it’s a Star 9mm.
Greetings from Sweden! I have a chinese Norinco NP 28 1911 clone in 9 mm. A little rough in the finish but it shoots great, very reliable so far. Love 1911's, they're just good looking guns.
In Canada loads of people would take the NP28’s and build competition guns with them. There was a small cottage industry of people “building” race guns out of them including removing all markings, (not the serial number of course), accurizing them and “flattening” their slides and reblueing or parkerizing them. Crazy bridge mounts with See More red dots and compensators. Nearly as good as an STI 2011 race gun but half the price!
I have one of the 10,000 that were made by Colt before local manufacturing was set up in Argentina. It has the Ejercito Argentino markings on the right side of the slide, but the left side has Colt factory markings with the patent dates instead of the DGFM-FMAP markings. My serial number is towards the end of the manufacturing run of 10,000.
Picked up a Ballister-Mollina at The Indy1500 years ago. It came ported and shot great. Even came with an extra slide with adjustable rear sights. Still have it as an EDC.
I got one in the mid 60s, I put adjustable sights on a Dwyer group gripper and a trigger job. It was very accurate. I paid $80 for it.
I have an old Llama 45, it has never jammed, shoots good, I reblued it with brownell's cold blue, pretty gun now too, I'll never get rid of it. I only wish I could get magazines and thinner grips (proprietary). Thanks for the video !
Man I had an opportunity to buy a Llama back on the early 2000’s but passed on it and got a Beretta 9000s type D in .40 cal instead. Still today I wish I would have gotten that Llama.
@@theronyoumans1383 They were hit and miss, like Kel-Tecs used to be, you either got a great one or a POS, so don't regret it, just be glad "most" guns today are great and reliable, and awesome selection to choose from (for now)
2 argentinean classics of the old military industry which is now totally non existant. One interesting difference between the BM and the Sistema is that although the trigger in the BM looks like a regular 1911 trigger it does not move in a straight direction like the 1911 does. It actually pivots from a pin located on the top of the trigger. It moves like a double action trigger would.
Nice! I own a Argentine P-35. Never fired, till I bought it. Thanks for the share!!
Picked up a 1927 Argentine in 1999 at a Cowboy action match, paid $300.00 for it. Excellent pistol! Great video!
Carried some version of the 1911 in the military police during the mid 1980's. The pistols in our company were made by several different companies. Colt, Springfield, ummm Ithaca maybe, and Singer Sewing Company? We served in Central America so our arsenal may have not been typical of what was carried in Europe or State side. I think Berretas were already being issued in the U. S. before I got out in 1986.
Very good.
Here, in Brasil, we have 1911 Made by Taurus , icluding an Office model.
Si,excelente arma ,compré una Taurus PT1911 color negro mate versión táctica,con su riel picattiny
Glad you enjoy our 1927 DGFM pistol. Greetins from Argentina!
I love,all model's 1911 it,so beautiful pistol 🥰 🇺🇸
I picked up mine very recently. Someone built mine out as a competition gun. Accurizing, trigger job, and replacement with adjustable sights that looked decidedly like what I’ve seen on post war high power pistols. Taking mine first a rebluing given I got it exceeding cheaper than these seem to be going for at present. It’s honestly one of the nicest 1911s I’ve ever shot.
I bought a new Colt Classic series 70 Government Model 1911 back in 2020 for $765. It’s my only 1911. Not sure what it’s worth now, but I’m definitely glad I got it!
I have the same gun bought it in 2020 !! Stepped in 💩 as it was my first choice & found it 5 mi from home! Because of the pandemic I paid a little bit more so you got a great deal. I paid 750 for my Springfield Mil Spec. The Colt Classic is now more than doubled & are hard to find!! Saw on GunBroker for 1800 . Now if I could only find a 1913 again for a bookend!!
@@enricomandragona163 Wow, I had no idea the value went up that much! I got it in the very beginning of covid, everyone was panic buying polymer guns with higher capacity at the time. 1911’s really weren’t as high of a demand. Great gun, I plan on keeping it for a while. At first I wanted to modify it, but I’ve since decided to keep it in its original condition.
@@mikem2132 you'd be prudent not to! I was going to send mine to Nighthawk customs as they were doing a retro treatment to the gun but I've decided not to. My Springfield Mil Spec is going in the winter to get the treatment. Look it up. Along with the 100 the anniversary Colt this gun will be worth money 💰🤑
@@enricomandragona163 Colt advertised this as a blank slate for someone to make their own. That’s what sold me on it because I like to tinker. I didn’t realize how valuable it was just the way it is!
Yes however it's a Colt . A nighthawk retro job wouldn't hurt it much. You can get another Colt Mill Spec or a Colt Gold cup actually cheaper now than the Classic go figure and do whatever. In my opinion it needs nothing to shoot 2" groups all day log even at 25 yards. And I have
Tengo algunas de ellas,, es nuestro gran orgullo junto a las Ballester Molina, y esta a la altura o hasta superior diría yo de cualquier Colt , son maravillosas!!!!
Saludos desde la Argentiona
Superior no, sos un bolas
🇲🇽 Saludos Mexico Las Colts Unas Verdaderas Piezas de Colección Aqui En México Se Fabricó Una modelo 1911 la Famosa Obregón Cal 45 Modelo 1911 que se identifica Por Su bellísimo adorno Grecado las 1911 unas obras de Arte
So beautiful!
Thanks for the knowledge and history of this very cool an interesting Colt clone, made in Argentina. Long Live The Republic, Sootch00 !!!!!!!!!
bought a Sistema about a year ago, love this pistol wanted a mil-spec 1911 but didn't want to pay $$$$ for it
I bought one of these in the early 90's for $200 it was scratched up but the slide was tite I put a set of pachmayer wrap around grips on it and I still love to shoot it .it's a tack driver
I seen my first back in 2001, I wanted to buy it, but I couldn’t make it happen. My best friend bought it and I was envious. His had a bomar sights fitted to it. I picked one up last week after watching it for a couple of months. Someone fitted a beaver tail safety, commander hammer, full length recoil spring guide, and tactical trigger. I want to put it back
the way it was originally. Fit and finish are great on it. Manufactured around 1958. Love the story behind with the history.
Nice Video indeed, thanks.
I had a Colt sistem 1927 marked as Policia de Territorios Nacionales, a now unexistant political/geographical condition, which was referred to Argentina territory expansions, Misiones, Andes, some southern provinces. etc.
Thanks for the good videos and thanks for actually shooting the guns . So many of the gun channels don’t shoot anymore . They want to talk about politics or the end of the world or thing like that . I guess they’re afraid they’ll offend You Tube by making a shooting video.
I have 2 of these. I prefer them to anything in 9mm. Mine shoot very accurately. One is in the original blue. The other is nickel or chrome plated. I also have a Colt 1903 .32 acp which is in excellent condition.
I never had one of this, but would love to find one to add to the collection.
I have one of these marked "BUENOS AIRES POLICE " it's not in quite the condition yours is but has always been a good shooter.I have thought about having it refinished but did'nt know if it would be worth it or would ruin any value.I guess I'll keep it like it is👍
The "POLICIA DE LA PROVINCIA DE BUENOS AIRES" (AKA: LA BONAERENSE), are infamous for mistreat their equipment...
@@TocGan Not really, back in the day the Buenos Aires PD had pretty good armorers. Today is run by idiots and people like you who doesn't know anything.
Muy bueno tu vídeo saludos desde Argentina
Always wanted one of these
Great review!! Nice piece of history!!
Very nice pistol I love my 1911 45acp
We carried WW2 issue when we wore the green in '67..Things were so beat they were dangerous..Shake 'em and the slide fell off..When I got out I had a chance to buy a new Series 70 MkIV ...lousy sights,, had to put my foot against a tree to pull the trigger.. and it would peen empties flat on one side when it ejected..Sent the thing off to Wilson Combat...They sent me back a real gun...Hasn't skipped a beat since .
Nice review and firearm Sootch
I have prepped and re-blued a lot of the Sistemas. I used rust blueing and the results were terrific. It (almost) achieves the look and feel of the Colt oven blue. Nobody ever complained.
Such a beauty. Not sure why Glocks are so popular. The 1911 is still King!
I got a 1933 policia federal Colt government model not to long ago. Thing is a shooter. It was part of like 10000 from a contract. Not Argentinian made but Hartford CT made Colt.
I have the same gun. All with matching serial numbers. Except for the magazine. Some differences is the bottom of the gun in front of the trigger is rounded off instead of being squared off.
Sootch my brotha can you review a sar9 c? It’s a lil budget 9 that’s been gaining some serious attention only problem is I can’t find a good review to give a review! You the man!
Very nice the pistol
my biggest dream is having the complete collection of all branches :)
Yes sir I love all 3 of mine!!!
15:30 - you do know this is what the magazine is designed for, right? The front tab is for holding in the recoil spring plug.
17:12 - before you do this, you should examine the ejector for burrs, dents, or bends. Steel case ammo tends to beat them up and you begin having ejection problems (stovepiping) so while it is apart, it is best to check.
18:35 - check your safety
The Ballester Molina was a cheaper version as the Colt Sistema was a licensed product and Argentina wanted a cheaper version so as to reduce the budget. As such, it wasn't authorized by Colt. It included the following differences: pivot trigger instead of sliding, no grip safety, different hammer, serrations on slide (visual difference), magazine release button threads into keeper on right side rather than having a screw from the right side, there is only one notch for the slide stop, and the grip screws are located higher on the left top screw. I can't imagine how these differences would have lowered the price enough to have made it worth the changes. It would have been interesting to see a direct comparison between your Sistema, the BM, and a '40s/'50s Colt.
My pops had one of these. He bought it brand new, was still in cosmoline. Unfortunately, when he died, his 3rd wife sold it for a couple hundred dollars. I learned to shoot a handgun with it.
I had one of these non Colt Argentina 1911's from the 50''s, military issue, got it for $100, it was a pretty nice 1911.
1911 collecting has become an addiction for me. I also love shooting them and occasionally carry one in 9mm and one in 45. A Colt 1911A1 mfg in 1943 I have seems to be my most accurate piece! For most concealed carry I pack the Glock for the capacity.
My fevret 1911👌❤️👍
On the Ballester Molina they probably figered the grip safety was needed as Browning did not put it on the HP. What i have learned is that France had JMB design it that way. Just as the military asked for a thumb safety on the 1911.
...the pattern.on the mainspring housing is unique to the Argie 1927...it's a cross hatch pattern.
Pretty kool - picking one up next week!!!!
Old world craftmanship and a little heft which is a good thing.
Nice gun there sootch00 thanks for sharing
Bersa firearms in 380 acp are great too!
@@tberkoff Argentine manufacture tho. The make good stuff cheap. Jes sayin.
Great background music 🎶🎶🤣 Sootch!!
So next time you do a Beretta review please play the Godfather!! 🙄
Ballester molina Grips...
Excellent piece!! I've shot with one... Bitty hammer😂
Best Colt 1911 clon ever made. And It was made in Argentina.
Saludos desde Argentina. Coincido con vos que hay que tenerlas como salieron de fábrica. Las siglas en la corredera son Dirección General de Fabricaciones Militares (Fábrica Militar de Armas Portátil)
My uncle had one of these. I remember shooting it in the early 1970s. His had black plastic grips. He bought it because he was cheap and these were quite a bit cheaper than the new Colt series 70s that were running about $150 bucks retail back then.
Yes, there are some brands of Argentine weapons that are good but others bad, here in South America they prefer Brazilian weapons to Argentine ones (eg Sig)
🇦🇷👍un verdadero fierro!!
yeahhh
Local gun shop had one in fairly good shape for 250$ pre covid price hikes. Wish I would’ve got it.
That would have been an awesome price. I saw one completely refinished with beautiful dark bluing, but the company selling it wanted $990 (before tax)
American colt 1911 45 ,nice pistol
I noticed that I've seen these guns in movies but they use blacks but still makes a loud noise and the bullet does come out if you watch The A-Team they use this gun sometimes I also saw this gun in Adam 12 but they didn't shoot it in Adam 12
I have 1, great pistol
I got one recently for 900 bucks didn’t know much about them but I assumed it was a 1911a1 from the looks
If you use the international system of counting instead of the USA system, this pistol is 70 years old, not 60.
I got mine off egunner for cheap. Tried to use my c&r but they don’t accept them for some reason. Daily concealed carry it in an m3 shoulder holster and couldn’t be happier.
That's not the function test I was trained with in the military. A proper post-assembly function test involves testing both safeties and the reset of the trigger to ensure proper assembly. IMHO this should be done after a basic field strip as well as a full tear-down.
More video channels should stress this as I have found too few shooters know how to do a full function test on their own firearms.
Roberta Cisneros' preferred sidearm.
A beautiful Argentinian she is!
Suggestion, the music should be tangos.
The best 1911 made today is just that any one with money can get one but a military one no one can get one till who has it is willing to sell
You started well, then muddled the words all over
Looks like it has quite a bit of muzzle flip
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😯😯👍👍😁😁
I FROM THAILAND PATLUNG
.45 💪💪👍👍👍🇧🇷🇧🇷
How do you clean these guns so they don't get rusty I'm just curious
very nice
Klasse nur. Klasse.
Great video. That is a nice pistol. Do you like the 1911 double stack ?
Esa pistola pertenecio al Ejercito Argentino!
чудовий випуск
Holy crap my Sistema Colt's serial number is just 5 off from yours.
Oh how I wish prices were "reasonable" these days.
That is a big truck at 21:30.
É mesma do exército brasileiro