I hear you Deborah, I really do and you are absolutely right. I'm so sorry that happened to you, your family and your comrades. My husband and I went through something similar and when we voiced our concerns had been told, "love never fails," (ie we were being unloving for speaking up). We received the "cold shoulder" at church (most of the people were fearful). The LORD knows and cares what you've gone through and you are speaking the truth.❤
Thank you for your video. You are absolutely correct. Glad you left. God will restore and heal our hearts. You did the right thing. (long time resident of Woodland Park - many in this town are furious with AWM as they feel used and our small town is being ruined as he politically plans to take over ).
You are correct! When I lived there from 2018-2020 I remember going to the wonderful dog park. You would just casually start a conversation about AWM/Charis and people were really angry and frustrated. I can't imagine what it's like now in 2024.
@@lwark1422 Andrew is deceived and deceiving as apostle warned. Nuts. Anyone who calls their ministry after their own name is nuts!!! Why do people fall for it. There was never Paul of tarsus or Peter the rock ministrues.... It's rediculous
@@colesonamission Charis students left rentals a mess when they left after the school year ended. They accosted my dtr. several times at WalMart wanting to "pray" for her. Charis students using resourses that belong to the townspeople--such as food banks--because they come to WP with no jobs. No one wants to talk about the folks that end up going back to where they came from because they didn't have a resonable plan just the old "If it's in God's will He'll make it work."
Thank you for sharing your experience. As a survivor of abuse your bravery is inspiring. It’s so very hard to comprehend cults but glad you did! This is clearly a problem all through the body God is exposing sin and wanting repentance! God Bless you for loving TRUTH!! And loving the least of these/victims!
I have not been to Charis and so i cannot speak about your experience. However, i have noted of late of how the enemy is trying very hard to discredit ministries and minsters who are making great impact for the kingdom of God. I don't know why this should surprise me considering that the devil knows that his time is short and therefore must fight against the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Andrew Wommack has been one of the bible teachers who has helped me get grounded in the word of God.
we are in a great awakening which include an awakening/exposure of all evil in this world and that includes pride, corruption and abuse in the body of Christ . There will be very few that are exempt. Lance Wallnau also said this is the yr 2024 of the wrecking ball to the church . Remember , as Andrew says, a little poop in a batch of brownies makes all the brownies inedible
Exposing wrongdoing is NOT the work of the enemy, God is dealing with sin, bringing it to light in those who have not responded in private. Judgment begins in the house of the Lord first. It is time we stopped treating ministers like celebrities and hold them to a standard set by Jesus and His Apostles. Some of the goings on in a lot of ministries has needed to be dealt with for sometime. It is life or death. Heaven or hell for some. Time to get our houses in order.
It sounds like Charis has a lot of management issues but they have nothing to do with the invaluable teachings of Andrew Wommack. Based on what you shared, the safe route will be to focus on Andrew’s teachings while taking extra precautions with activities conducted by other staff. Praying that God correct and refine the school as it grows exponentially and needs more ‘quality control’ just like any fast growing organizations.
@@judylin1324 Bully’s do NOT change!! Chairs is a school of LAW and ORDER- exactly what they preach against! What they require of others do they do themselves??
Thank you so much for sharing these videos!! I was associated with Charis for several years, but left almost a decade ago. There are still some complications and I had some concerns about someone I care about that is involved. I couldn't figure out how to direct message you, but if you could give me a way to email you, I would love to chat!
THANK GOD YOU GOT A FULL REFUND . I THINK ANDREW WOMACKS TEACHINGS ARE ANOINTED, BUT SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY WRONG IN THE WAY THE COLLEGE IS RUN. THE INSTRUCTORS SOUND CONTROLLING AND MANIPULATIVE . I SURE WOULD NOT ENROLL THERE!!!
I had a similar experience with another church years ago. I brought up certain things that i saw as not correct. The course they were offering was a diploma & not a degree as advertised. They felt threatened, they had about 5 students who were all available to go on missions yet they were not using any of the students who were available according to their vision. From my observation they were offering this course for the money only. When things are done in this manner its clear that its not about ppl. This dean running the bible school was only there for his salary whilst there may be Pastors/staff in the church who aren't at fault but when something is wrong they should address it. I left in the end.
Having been in a cult-ish church when I was a teen, this all sounds very familiar. How can this prevented? It seems like when institutions get big or grow in influence, cult-ish tendencies emerge. This is the reason why I have been in my local church as long as I have. It's safe. It may not be to my liking as far as the power of God or the gifts of the Spirit are concerned, but it is safe. No one lords it over anyone. The pastor is respected but not revered. You can question and disagree freely. Titles and positions are not important.
@@MManAt56 not only Charis, but most of church people. Spiritual bypassing, not recognising abuse, terrified of being "out of faith" coz then can't get the "blessings" etc
To console this let me tell you that God is watching indeed. If you know Charis, the popular teacher almost died on 2020 "suckered punched" by the enemy thats what his son said. Can he be suckered punched if he did not open any door? He was indeed very proud. Yes I said "was"...now he mainly taught compassion.
You got a full refund. Wow! That is really noble of Charis actually. It sounds like you had some bad experiences at Charis Bible College. Im sorry to hear that. However I get a sense the enemy is having a field day with you and you have come under offence. I pray you resolve the issues within yourself and that you will be able to forgive Charis for not meeting your expectations and move forward.
It’s amazing how speaking up about abuses meets absurd criticism such as yours. Satan blinds the minds of many and perhaps he is having a field day with you.
@@justbrowsing8675 I’m not wishing to argue with you. She is offended. It shows. And there are two sides to every story. Holding onto offence is the enemy’s playground and it is a root of bitterness which grows up and defiles many. I am a Charis graduate from Australia and I could find things to complain about during my time there. It was great being at Charis but it wasn’t perfect. I’m thankful for what I learned there. I just think it’s wrong coming online and doing this.
@@RenA70707 if it is wrong then why do you continue to keep posting comments. It actually sounds like you are offended by her comments which I believe are truthful. You are the one that initially posted that Satan is having a field day with her which is an absurd comment.
I see this to be more of Management issue than a doctrinal concern. How was 1st year and second year? If the teachings were based on the Bible, then we should see this as a Management issue, and not a doctrinal issue in which we just now discredit Charis Bible College. The fact that you got a refund shows that they acknowledge the fact that you were not happy in the logistics Management of the program. We should rather pray for God to give them insight on how to manage the 3rd year. Absolutely there is no organization that is perfect and the key issue should be the heart of those concern to make changes for the better. I live in Cameroon, I watch Andrew wommack on TH-cam and I have been wonderfully blessed by his teachings.
God didn’t tell us to pray and hide and be scared and ignore. No, he tells us EXACTLY what to do. ”“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”“ Matthew 18:15-20 NKJV bible.com/bible/114/mat.18.15-20.NKJV
This realisation in the third year if I got it right? I feel it's not clear to everyone if other students faced the same problem if yes, then why didn't they complain? And did you speak to other students after coming back? Do they feel the same? It looks like there's a lot of pain and your expectations are not met. But you got a refund some relief to you, thank God for that. Also, wanted to know if you had experienced anything good in the college, did you get any learning at all? were you blessed in any way during your stay and study time?
With all due respect I got nothing out of these. You seem like a person who was looking for faults. I do not think this is a cult. The ministry has blessed so many lives and I hear so much positive from Charis graduates.
This is her own experience. What she saw with her own eyes. Even in a family of origin, each child has a different perspective. I admire her for coming forward and sharing her experience.
You got nothing out of this -- cool, that's fine. But then you accuse Deborah of intentionally looking for faults? After everything she's said? She isn't the only one that's had big issues with Charis. And just because the Ministry has blessed people doesn't mean it's all sunshine and rainbows. Ravi Zacharias blessed and made positive change in people's lives, but that doesn't mean he was a good person.
What I’ve heard from your videos is someone who yes, experienced some negative experiences no doubt but, also wants to be heard concerning what you experienced there and no matter how nice you try to sound, I hear what’s in your heart and you’re angry and dissatisfied and because you’re not getting the feedback or response/results you thought you should have, you’re venting here…publicly. There are bound to be some negative things going on with so many different people and backgrounds melding together with so many others, that’s to be expected. There is always room for improvement in any situation and with that many different people involved in one place, problems should be expected. The answer is always prayer, give it to Him, and leave it there. I might have good reason to say, “something needs to be done to whomever it may concern about what students are experiencing in this particular situation”, but give it to God. He already knows anyway and has the answers. God never condones anyone publicly expressing their anger by slamming a ministry because you didn’t get the results you wanted from them. In fact, He tells us not to talk bad about others. He calls that cursing others when we talk bad about them. It’s the wrong way to go about it. I hope you heal and forgive because, bitterness is a mighty tool of the enemy and given opportunity, he will use it…against you. Don’t let that happen. You’re in control of that. God bless you.
Absolutely disgusting! I’m glad you’re out of there. All you who defend Charis, if you really care about Andrew Wommack ministries, help get these abuses properly addressed instead of brushing over it.
Sounds as though this has nothing to do with Charis, but specific people in the program. You took something personally and got offended. I have been following Charis for several years now and have taken their free courses. I am empathetic to your personal experience, but, this sounds so out of character of Charis Bible School.
Who wouldn't take abuse personally and get offended? Also, this has everything to do with Charis -- it was an Instructor in Charis, abuse within Charis, and when Deborah went to Andrew Wommack -- President and Founder of Charis -- he did nothing about it, as shown in the video "Does Andrew know?"
Is it ok to call students “losers”, keep them in freezing cold, manipulate them emotionally etc. etc.? A little bit of yeast leavens the whole batch and a few deceitful people left unchecked can bring ruin to the whole ministry. Anywone who cares about this ministry should make an effort to get rid of the abuse asap.
Listen the devil shows up at church as well, you met some bad people i get that i been in churches were i had bad people in their, but most of the people are wonderful in churches, i hope you find what your looking for, God bless!
Having heard your story so far it seems your upset with the way things are run but you've said nothing about the most important thing which is what they teach (thier doctrine). No i believe Awmi is teaching unbiblical doctrine & practices but in your story is mostly about how bad you feel about the running of the courses.
I don't think Deborah has any issues with his doctrine and teachings, just the way things are run. It's through his teachings, she learnt how to fight to get her sons healed from autism.
If you dont agree with a ministry and you got a full refund, why are you complaining? I dont picture Andrew coddling hurt feelings. Hes very straight forward. Respectfully you sound like a whiner and a little entitled.
@brendaclawson1463 respectfully it’s incompetent brash arrogant comments like yours that turn people away from Christ and from the church in general. Don’t you dare defend Charis. Defend Christ because there’s no way Christ would defend Charis Wommack or their actions and inactions
Deborah is defending those who were called “losers”, were emotionally manipulated, and got sick after being put in freezing cold. You’re defending the abuser.
This is a moronic excuse that protects abusers and doesn't hold them accountable. These videos are raising awareness of abuse within a CHRISTIAN Ministry, the very people who are supposed to be above board in every way, and you are saying it's nonsense? What about Cindy Clemishire and Robert Morris? He isn't perfect, so should we excuse what he did to Cindy? Or what about Ravi Zacharias? Or any other Christian figure that has been outed as a terrible person? You can justify literally anything if the argument is "they are not perfect".
Nope, sorry I don't beleive this sob story at all as an international student myself expriencing extream culture shock in the US during my 3 yrs of studies there. You spoke to 'various people' and NO ONE acted on your behalf or the 5 students and you were pushed aside ? I don't beleive you mam, sorry. 😊. You just stated that Charis refunded your money - that shows that Andrew Wormack acted in integrity on your behalf. I told you in your 1st video that you could have spoken to the dean or Andrew himself. Now you throw out the baby with the water because of Your experiance off ONE class - sorry. 😮
Deborah’s has gone through away higher sob story dealing with her two kids that had autism. I’d f you know anything about autism and her story that in itself is a personal hell to bring parents down mentally, physically and financially. The ministry also replaced Deborah’s testimony with Mara d Los Reyes. Deborah prayed for Mara’s son who got healed with changes starting that night. It also inspired Lara dunnams sons helping him hide previewed in Mara’s interview and they make no Mention of Deborah performing the prayer? They take away her booth to promote Her book which has brought many moms of Disabled kids over to Charis. That more donations and followers to Andrew ministries. This is not a sob story. Also you don’t change a curriculum last Minute or bring the most vulnerable to motions out from people if you are not trained to do so.
"Raising awareness of abuse" = "sob story"... wow. This is an abuse-enabling attitude. Your experience is YOUR experience and is NOT an argument to dismiss Deborah's experience. You assume Deborah is lying about speaking to "various people" and that 5 other students were pushed aside because, to you, it seems inconceivable that if it actually happened, something would have been done about it. Obviously, nothing did get done, ergo "she's lying" -- a biased assumption that the leadership are actually good and ethical people who value justice. Charis refunded Deborah because she could have sued them for Falsely Advertising "Creative Arts". Deborah did speak to the Dean of Students and he did nothing. She told Andrew Wommack about the issues and he did nothing, as shown in the video "Does Andrew know?", something you should have known before commenting. "Now you throw out the baby with the water because of Your experiance off ONE class - sorry." -- Yes, her experience of an ENTIRE 3rd Year's track of spiritual, emotional and psychological abuse that was allowed to happen by leadership, with no repercussions.
I hear you Deborah, I really do and you are absolutely right. I'm so sorry that happened to you, your family and your comrades. My husband and I went through something similar and when we voiced our concerns had been told, "love never fails," (ie we were being unloving for speaking up). We received the "cold shoulder" at church (most of the people were fearful). The LORD knows and cares what you've gone through and you are speaking the truth.❤
Alog boost!!!!
My son is wanting to attend charis. Did you attend this film and production year? What happened to you there?
Thank you for your video. You are absolutely correct. Glad you left. God will restore and heal our hearts. You did the right thing. (long time resident of Woodland Park - many in this town are furious with AWM as they feel used and our small town is being ruined as he politically plans to take over ).
@@lwark1422 wow!!! That's awful
You are correct! When I lived there from 2018-2020 I remember going to the wonderful dog park. You would just casually start a conversation about AWM/Charis and people were really angry and frustrated. I can't imagine what it's like now in 2024.
@@lwark1422 Andrew is deceived and deceiving as apostle warned. Nuts. Anyone who calls their ministry after their own name is nuts!!! Why do people fall for it. There was never Paul of tarsus or Peter the rock ministrues.... It's rediculous
Why are people furious w Wommack there? What did he do to the town? Why would they feel used??
@@colesonamission Charis students left rentals a mess when they left after the school year ended. They accosted my dtr. several times at WalMart wanting to "pray" for her. Charis students using resourses that belong to the townspeople--such as food banks--because they come to WP with no jobs. No one wants to talk about the folks that end up going back to where they came from because they didn't have a resonable plan just the old "If it's in God's will He'll make it work."
Thank you for sharing your experience.
As a survivor of abuse your bravery is inspiring. It’s so very hard to comprehend cults but glad you did!
This is clearly a problem all through the body
God is exposing sin and wanting repentance!
God Bless you for loving TRUTH!!
And loving the least of these/victims!
@@Thankful305 algthm bpost!!!!!
I have not been to Charis and so i cannot speak about your experience. However, i have noted of late of how the enemy is trying very hard to discredit ministries and minsters who are making great impact for the kingdom of God. I don't know why this should surprise me considering that the devil knows that his time is short and therefore must fight against the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Andrew Wommack has been one of the bible teachers who has helped me get grounded in the word of God.
Amen!
we are in a great awakening which include an awakening/exposure of all evil in this world and that includes pride, corruption and abuse in the body of Christ . There will be very few that are exempt. Lance Wallnau also said this is the yr 2024 of the wrecking ball to the church . Remember , as Andrew says, a little poop in a batch of brownies makes all the brownies inedible
AMEN
Exposing wrongdoing is NOT the work of the enemy, God is dealing with sin, bringing it to light in those who have not responded in private. Judgment begins in the house of the Lord first. It is time we stopped treating ministers like celebrities and hold them to a standard set by Jesus and His Apostles. Some of the goings on in a lot of ministries has needed to be dealt with for sometime. It is life or death. Heaven or hell for some. Time to get our houses in order.
It's more of God exposing the abuse happening in the church. God has heard the cries of the victims. Does revelation triumph over compassion/love?
It sounds like Charis has a lot of management issues but they have nothing to do with the invaluable teachings of Andrew Wommack. Based on what you shared, the safe route will be to focus on Andrew’s teachings while taking extra precautions with activities conducted by other staff. Praying that God correct and refine the school as it grows exponentially and needs more ‘quality control’ just like any fast growing organizations.
that’s the worst most insensitive ridiculous advice ever.
Don't be deceived. Andrew Wommack is fully aware of his staff and there behaviour. He doesn't condemn it because he models it.
@@barbaramavis2071 I second that!
@@judylin1324 Bully’s do NOT change!!
Chairs is a school of LAW and ORDER- exactly what they preach against!
What they require of others do they do themselves??
@@barbaramavis2071 yes a member of his English staff said same
Well done Deborah. A member of his staff admitted to me that he bullied his staff and that he didn't like weak people. Very sad.
@@normadaly7506 what ??? Thats craaaaaazy 😱
@@michelleberntsson2314 exactly
Thank you so much for sharing these videos!! I was associated with Charis for several years, but left almost a decade ago. There are still some complications and I had some concerns about someone I care about that is involved. I couldn't figure out how to direct message you, but if you could give me a way to email you, I would love to chat!
THANK GOD YOU GOT A FULL REFUND . I THINK ANDREW WOMACKS TEACHINGS ARE ANOINTED, BUT SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY WRONG IN THE WAY THE COLLEGE IS RUN. THE INSTRUCTORS SOUND CONTROLLING AND MANIPULATIVE . I SURE WOULD NOT ENROLL THERE!!!
I had a similar experience with another church years ago. I brought up certain things that i saw as not correct. The course they were offering was a diploma & not a degree as advertised. They felt threatened, they had about 5 students who were all available to go on missions yet they were not using any of the students who were available according to their vision. From my observation they were offering this course for the money only. When things are done in this manner its clear that its not about ppl. This dean running the bible school was only there for his salary whilst there may be Pastors/staff in the church who aren't at fault but when something is wrong they should address it. I left in the end.
Having been in a cult-ish church when I was a teen, this all sounds very familiar. How can this prevented? It seems like when institutions get big or grow in influence, cult-ish tendencies emerge. This is the reason why I have been in my local church as long as I have. It's safe. It may not be to my liking as far as the power of God or the gifts of the Spirit are concerned, but it is safe. No one lords it over anyone. The pastor is respected but not revered. You can question and disagree freely. Titles and positions are not important.
Looking at the comments, this is why victims don't come forward
Exactly -- victim blaming seems to run rife nowadays. These people are ironically doing exactly what Charis does.
@@MManAt56 not only Charis, but most of church people. Spiritual bypassing, not recognising abuse, terrified of being "out of faith" coz then can't get the "blessings" etc
To console this let me tell you that God is watching indeed. If you know Charis, the popular teacher almost died on 2020 "suckered punched" by the enemy thats what his son said. Can he be suckered punched if he did not open any door? He was indeed very proud. Yes I said "was"...now he mainly taught compassion.
Yes. It's almost like a king Saul hold these mínisters have on people..... Pride
What was your experience in 1st and second year?
I think she did her first and second year in UK and flew to USA for third year.
You got a full refund. Wow! That is really noble of Charis actually. It sounds like you had some bad experiences at Charis Bible College. Im sorry to hear that. However I get a sense the enemy is having a field day with you and you have come under offence. I pray you resolve the issues within yourself and that you will be able to forgive Charis for not meeting your expectations and move forward.
It’s amazing how speaking up about abuses meets absurd criticism such as yours. Satan blinds the minds of many and perhaps he is having a field day with you.
@@justbrowsing8675 I’m not wishing to argue with you. She is offended. It shows. And there are two sides to every story. Holding onto offence is the enemy’s playground and it is a root of bitterness which grows up and defiles many. I am a Charis graduate from Australia and I could find things to complain about during my time there. It was great being at Charis but it wasn’t perfect. I’m thankful for what I learned there. I just think it’s wrong coming online and doing this.
@@RenA70707 if it is wrong then why do you continue to keep posting comments. It actually sounds like you are offended by her comments which I believe are truthful. You are the one that initially posted that Satan is having a field day with her which is an absurd comment.
@@justbrowsing8675 ahh really. Im responding as you are. This is a public forum. I have every right to make a comment even if you don’t agree with it.
Your very right @ren she's offended but you do t go around airing those things gs in public pray about it Instead
I see this to be more of Management issue than a doctrinal concern. How was 1st year and second year? If the teachings were based on the Bible, then we should see this as a Management issue, and not a doctrinal issue in which we just now discredit Charis Bible College. The fact that you got a refund shows that they acknowledge the fact that you were not happy in the logistics Management of the program. We should rather pray for God to give them insight on how to manage the 3rd year. Absolutely there is no organization that is perfect and the key issue should be the heart of those concern to make changes for the better. I live in Cameroon, I watch Andrew wommack on TH-cam and I have been wonderfully blessed by his teachings.
God didn’t tell us to pray and hide and be scared and ignore. No, he tells us EXACTLY what to do.
”“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”“
Matthew 18:15-20 NKJV
bible.com/bible/114/mat.18.15-20.NKJV
@maahbih Honestly, EVERYTHING is doctrinal. Just study the words Christ spoke & taught.
This realisation in the third year if I got it right? I feel it's not clear to everyone if other students faced the same problem if yes, then why didn't they complain? And did you speak to other students after coming back? Do they feel the same? It looks like there's a lot of pain and your expectations are not met. But you got a refund some relief to you, thank God for that. Also, wanted to know if you had experienced anything good in the college, did you get any learning at all? were you blessed in any way during your stay and study time?
With all due respect I got nothing out of these. You seem like a person who was looking for faults. I do not think this is a cult. The ministry has blessed so many lives and I hear so much positive from Charis graduates.
This is her own experience. What she saw with her own eyes. Even in a family of origin, each child has a different perspective. I admire her for coming forward and sharing her experience.
If it has happened to her, it has bound to happen to others. She is raising awareness of spiritual abuse that happens in Christian communities
You got nothing out of this -- cool, that's fine. But then you accuse Deborah of intentionally looking for faults? After everything she's said? She isn't the only one that's had big issues with Charis. And just because the Ministry has blessed people doesn't mean it's all sunshine and rainbows. Ravi Zacharias blessed and made positive change in people's lives, but that doesn't mean he was a good person.
@@MManAt56perfect example of!
What I’ve heard from your videos is someone who yes, experienced some negative experiences no doubt but, also wants to be heard concerning what you experienced there and no matter how nice you try to sound, I hear what’s in your heart and you’re angry and dissatisfied and because you’re not getting the feedback or response/results you thought you should have, you’re venting here…publicly. There are bound to be some negative things going on with so many different people and backgrounds melding together with so many others, that’s to be expected. There is always room for improvement in any situation and with that many different people involved in one place, problems should be expected. The answer is always prayer, give it to Him, and leave it there. I might have good reason to say, “something needs to be done to whomever it may concern about what students are experiencing in this particular situation”, but give it to God. He already knows anyway and has the answers. God never condones anyone publicly expressing their anger by slamming a ministry because you didn’t get the results you wanted from them. In fact, He tells us not to talk bad about others. He calls that cursing others when we talk bad about them. It’s the wrong way to go about it. I hope you heal and forgive because, bitterness is a mighty tool of the enemy and given opportunity, he will use it…against you. Don’t let that happen. You’re in control of that. God bless you.
Absolutely disgusting! I’m glad you’re out of there. All you who defend Charis, if you really care about Andrew Wommack ministries, help get these abuses properly addressed instead of brushing over it.
Sounds as though this has nothing to do with Charis, but specific people in the program.
You took something personally and got offended.
I have been following Charis for several years now and have taken their free courses.
I am empathetic to your personal experience, but, this sounds so out of character of Charis Bible School.
Who wouldn't take abuse personally and get offended? Also, this has everything to do with Charis -- it was an Instructor in Charis, abuse within Charis, and when Deborah went to Andrew Wommack -- President and Founder of Charis -- he did nothing about it, as shown in the video "Does Andrew know?"
Is it ok to call students “losers”, keep them in freezing cold, manipulate them emotionally etc. etc.? A little bit of yeast leavens the whole batch and a few deceitful people left unchecked can bring ruin to the whole ministry. Anywone who cares about this ministry should make an effort to get rid of the abuse asap.
Listen the devil shows up at church as well, you met some bad people i get that i been in churches were i had bad people in their, but most of the people are wonderful in churches, i hope you find what your looking for, God bless!
Just because the devil shows in Church doesn't mean we should excuse people of their actions and not hold them responsible.
So should she just ignore the abuse and let evil win the day? That’s absurd!
When those bad people are in top leadership positions, it’s a problem.
Having heard your story so far it seems your upset with the way things are run but you've said nothing about the most important thing which is what they teach (thier doctrine). No i believe Awmi is teaching unbiblical doctrine & practices but in your story is mostly about how bad you feel about the running of the courses.
I don't think Deborah has any issues with his doctrine and teachings, just the way things are run. It's through his teachings, she learnt how to fight to get her sons healed from autism.
If you dont agree with a ministry and you got a full refund, why are you complaining? I dont picture Andrew coddling hurt feelings. Hes very straight forward. Respectfully you sound like a whiner and a little entitled.
Tolerance of abuses and injustices are allowed to thrive because of those with your type of attitude
@brendaclawson1463 respectfully it’s incompetent brash arrogant comments like yours that turn people away from Christ and from the church in general. Don’t you dare defend Charis. Defend Christ because there’s no way Christ would defend Charis Wommack or their actions and inactions
Deborah is defending those who were called “losers”, were emotionally manipulated, and got sick after being put in freezing cold. You’re defending the abuser.
No Bible college or school is perfect. You will find one only when you reach heaven.
Making such videos is non sense.
This is a moronic excuse that protects abusers and doesn't hold them accountable. These videos are raising awareness of abuse within a CHRISTIAN Ministry, the very people who are supposed to be above board in every way, and you are saying it's nonsense?
What about Cindy Clemishire and Robert Morris? He isn't perfect, so should we excuse what he did to Cindy? Or what about Ravi Zacharias? Or any other Christian figure that has been outed as a terrible person?
You can justify literally anything if the argument is "they are not perfect".
NOBODY WANT TO BE LISTENING YOUR MURMURING AND COMPLAINS
SISTER WATCH OUT , THE ENEMY CAN GIVE YOU HARD
PRAYING FOR YOU
I want to be listening.
Nope, sorry I don't beleive this sob story at all as an international student myself expriencing extream culture shock in the US during my 3 yrs of studies there. You spoke to 'various people' and NO ONE acted on your behalf or the 5 students and you were pushed aside ? I don't beleive you mam, sorry. 😊. You just stated that Charis refunded your money - that shows that Andrew Wormack acted in integrity on your behalf. I told you in your 1st video that you could have spoken to the dean or Andrew himself. Now you throw out the baby with the water because of Your experiance off ONE class - sorry. 😮
Deborah’s has gone through away higher sob story dealing with her two kids that had autism. I’d f you know anything about autism and her story that in itself is a personal hell to bring parents down mentally, physically and financially. The ministry also replaced Deborah’s testimony with Mara d Los Reyes. Deborah prayed for Mara’s son who got healed with changes starting that night. It also inspired Lara dunnams sons helping him hide previewed in Mara’s interview and they make no
Mention of Deborah performing the prayer? They take away her booth to promote
Her book which has brought many moms of Disabled kids over to Charis. That more donations and followers to Andrew ministries. This is not a sob story. Also you don’t change a curriculum last
Minute or bring the most vulnerable to motions out from people if you are not trained to do so.
"Raising awareness of abuse" = "sob story"... wow. This is an abuse-enabling attitude.
Your experience is YOUR experience and is NOT an argument to dismiss Deborah's experience. You assume Deborah is lying about speaking to "various people" and that 5 other students were pushed aside because, to you, it seems inconceivable that if it actually happened, something would have been done about it. Obviously, nothing did get done, ergo "she's lying" -- a biased assumption that the leadership are actually good and ethical people who value justice.
Charis refunded Deborah because she could have sued them for Falsely Advertising "Creative Arts".
Deborah did speak to the Dean of Students and he did nothing. She told Andrew Wommack about the issues and he did nothing, as shown in the video "Does Andrew know?", something you should have known before commenting.
"Now you throw out the baby with the water because of Your experiance off ONE class - sorry." -- Yes, her experience of an ENTIRE 3rd Year's track of spiritual, emotional and psychological abuse that was allowed to happen by leadership, with no repercussions.
Whether you believe it or not doesn’t make it untrue. You’re entitled to your opinion. “bath”:water is the expression. 😃
Quit defending the “integrity “ of Andrew and defend the victim. For goodness sake what’s wrong with you?