Things I Don't Like About The Triumph Street Scrambler
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2018
- Here are a few things I don't like about the Triumph Street Scrambler. Spoiler alert, it's near perfect but a few things could be improved in my opinion
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I ride 15,000 miles/year and will probably ride more when I'm retired. I'll gladly settle for a little less power to enjoy the 10,000 mile service interval of the Street Scrambler and the other Modern Classics. I'd rather be on the road than in the shop or in my garage.
Amen!! I continue to have zero issues with my Scrambler. It'll slay Alaska next year.
Agree with your points on the Street Scrambler. I just upgraded from the Street Twin - it was just a little cramped feeling (I'm 5' 11"). The extra room on the Scrambler is perfect for me. When I bought my Street twin, the Scrambler was just coming out and I did not want to wait 2 months until the dealer got some in (waiting list). I kick myself for not waiting. I might look at the front springs over the winter. Keep up the great reviews.
I'm excited to see what the 1200 will be like. Could answer all of the issues I've seen brought up about the current Scrambler. Good video as always.
Thank you! Yes I am also excited to see how it comes out. Cheers!
looking forward to the trip
Another great vid Chris, thank you. Have you watched any of The Missenden Flyer’s vids from here in the UK? He recently filmed a tour of the Western Isles of Scotland on his GS, and cut in some drone footage that worked really well. It would be great to follow your World tour on the scrambler.
I've seen a lot of his videos, but not those yet. I will check them out, as Scotland is high on my list of countries I'd like to visit. Caitlyn and I actually discussed flying to England, renting a Tiger, riding up to Scotland to get married, and the riding around the UK/France for a view weeks. If we get married in New Orleans, we'll probably still do that trip as a honeymoon.
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Thank you! I appreciate it.
Nice video... I've done tec progressive springs and height adjusters for the front, number plate to cover tacky logo, rear tec springs, tec tail tidy, led rear signals. Height ok as it handles sweet but a bit more ground clearance would be appreciated as it's way too easy to scrape my pegs. Oh I did heated grips as live in NY and like to ride all year, and they work really well!
Thank you for watching. I almost did heated grips (and was regretting not doing them riding across the country in November). Much easier to get away without them in the South. If I still lived in the North East, it would have been one of the first things I would have done!
Hi chris , I feel the exact same about my street twin. I cant fault the bike. Hight is perfect ( now I added a bench seat ) can't complain about the bike at all.. Maybe just the same , a little nit picking here and there. But yeah , would like maybe a bit more power 🤔 bit more beef 😉Lol. Great vid man. Keep it up 😉👌 ps we spoke the other day on Facebook
I remember! Thanks for watching!
Spot on with regards the graphics. I wonder if you soak the panel in hot soapy water (or some other mixture) you could get them off.
Have you decided yet between the 1200 Scrambler or the Tiger? I’m looking to get another bike this summer, but am torn between the Bonnie T120 and the Tiger 900 GT Pro. Just waiting on the local dealer to get one in. I reckon I’m siding with the T120, but we’ll see.
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
I haven't decided yet. I'm leaning more towards the Tiger for a few reasons, but I keep flip flopping. The Tiger is definitely more practical, and it would be cool to have a triple. If I didn't have the Street Scrambler, I'd probably definitely got with the Scrambler 1200. However, since I'll be keeping the SS, the Tiger makes more sense. The Tiger has modern comforts that you sacrifice in order to have a retro bike. If I can figure out how you make more money, I'd love both!! hahaha
I have a 2015 EFI Scrambler, I got lucky. If you travel on your scrambler, I'd definitely would travel on mine too. It looks like they beffed up to new street scrambler suspension .
You should certainly travel on it. There's no better way to travel!
I want that exhaust and the progressive springs, could you provide links for both ?
Do you do all the installation yourself? If so can you put out a video please?
I’m hoping that the 1200 scrambler will be the bike. Another great video 🍻
Thank you! Yes I am certainly interested in seeing how it comes out. Hopefully there will be an announcement in November at the motorcycle show. Perhaps Triumph should fly out a certain someone who has ridden the crap out of his Street Scrambler and has a TH-cam page, when it comes time for the press to demo the bike. ;-)
::Nudges Triumph::
Honda did exactly this with a guy who has ridden the crap out of an Africa Twin.
Yes I follow him. Hellooooo Triumph... Can you hear me? ;-)
I agree with your comments which is why I'm waiting for the new 1200 street scrambler to come out before parting with my cash.
Also looking at the ducati desert sled for the increased ride height, what's your thoughts on this bike??
The Desert Sled is certainly appealing, but doesn't look too rugged. I'd be worried about it breaking easily off-road. The maintenance cost is probably decently high too, being a Ducati. I haven't ridden one though, so I wouldn't mind checking it out to compare. Certainly still a cool bike. Do you follow Henry Crew on Instagram? He's going around the globe on the Desert Sled right now.
Personally I like the Street Scrambler more than the Desert Sled, even though the Sled has more of the suspension travel I want. However if I was buying a Ducati, I would get the Desert Sled without blinking. The 1200 Scrambler looks like it will be better than the Sled, but we'll have to actually see once it is announced. I'm lucky that the dealer here is a Ducati | Triumph | BMW dealership. I should see if they'll allow me to do a day where i test ride all the different Scramblers.
The Ducati is not very reliable and the maintenance cost is obnoxiously high. My clutch went out at 14,000 miles. And one of the timing belts is leaking, which shouldn't even be happening until the 15k service. Tread carefully with owning a ducati scramblet..still one of the sexiest bikes I have owned.
Buy yourself a used air cooled 900, and use the money saved to mod the hell out off it, that's what I did, and it kicks the new one's arse, a friend has the new T120 Bonnie, I can give him a run for his money, he has better top end but 0 to 60 , I leave him for Dead.
The 1200 scrambler is a big bike. The xe is huge. The xc is slightly lower but I'm 6'2" with a 32 inside leg and I was on tip toes on it. Think of it as a plush dirt bike you can use on road, as opposed to a tiger which is a touring bike you can use off road.
Interesting. I have a 32" inseam but I can flat (with boots on) on the XE version. No issue at all on the XC. Was the suspension set stiff when you through the leg over the Scrambler 1200s?
@@ScramblerStories didn't seem it, it was brand new in the showroom. I didn't even try and sit on the xe because that was a good 2-3 inches taller than the xc. I could flat foot it if I leaned it slightly but sitting dead upright I was on top toes.
Russell Goodban interesting. The XE is an inch higher seat height than XC.
My farkles to date on my red 2018...
Fox rears,
progressive springs in front,
BC rear fender eliminator,
small signals,
BC front brake res to replace spittoon,
Speed twin high pipe...yes I found one!,
Shinko 804/805 tires,
High front fender mount
T crash bars,
Speed twin bash plate,
Biltwell grips,
T peep mirrors,
Dart screen
T headlight guard
Hey all it takes to make a ANY good bike great is $$$$.
Haha nice. Had I not bought any accessories, I probably could have gotten Cait a bike already... Whoops!
I dislike, that you can’t have luggage on both sides of the bike!
Yeah, someone needs to design a rack that goes over the exhaust, like Happy Trails did for the air cooled Scrambler. I might be doing that with a friend if possible.
How is the heat management ?
Do the pipes burn your thighs or the pillions ?
For me it's not too noticeable. In the summer time somewhere hot like a desert, or the South in the US, it can get when in stop and go traffic. Never an issue when on the move.
Hey can you send me the part number for the center stand? A9778045 sound correct? Don't mean to bother you dude I love your channel. You seem to know your scrambler inside and out. I'm having a hard time finding the correct one online.
And my only other question is if you only use triumph coolant or if you use a substitute?
Thanks 😁
Thanks, appreciate you watching the videos. That is the correct part number. I've found it often hard to find the certain accessories online, including from Triumph's website. Bit of a mess. It's typically best to swing by the local dealer and have them look up/order what you need. If there's not one around, check with dealers that sell online. I recently ordered from World Of Triumph, and I think they have everything from the parts catalogue online. They ship to the US if that's where you are located.
I use the recommended coolant per the manual.
Scrambler Stories thanks!
You're welcome!
I agree 1000% about the brakes. do you know if they have already solved the problem? glad to hear from you. 🍻
Greetz from Germany
I was able to make the bracket from Free Spirits work. You need to put washers in between the ABS ring and the disc brake, on the bolds that mount the ABS ring.
Am i a tad to tall if im 193cm?
Off road, ABS is the last thing I want on my rear wheel. I've done that before and had the brakes essentially stop working down a gravel hill as the ABS couldn't feel the brakes catching traction and backed off essentially completely.
TC on a bike like this is pure marketing. That was designed to keep morons from spinning up their 180 hp R1s coming out of turns and crashing them. As long as ABS worked at the front I'd be okay. Truth be told, I think the ABS on my Triumph ain't that hot even on the front. It seems to kick in too easily and holds the brakes off too long.
As to the progressive springs, I've used them before in an FJR and loved them. I think most of your issue though was simply that the springs were too soft. "Progressive" springs spring rate gets progressively stiffer the more the spring is compressed. If the progressive spring was too light, the front end would still dive on the brakes as they are most soft at the top of their stroke. It gets stiffer to prevent wallowing once the spring is compressed in a corner. They also help prevent bottoming out. People who ride off road also like their suspensions set up a lot softer than canyon corner carvers. A trade off with dual purpose bikes.
I agree with the sticker, but let's face it, a lot of "modern classics" have as many modern bits as classic bits.
Inline 4s really need a tach. Unlike twins that just get buzzier as the revs rise, 4s get smooth, then buzzy, then smooth, then buzzy. Without a tach it's hard to figure out where the engine's running on those engines.
Can you direct me to information on the new Scrambler? Thanks.
Not a while lot of info right now. Once they officially announce it, I'm sure we'll get more.
www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/2019-triumph-scrambler-1200-spied.html
I really like my Scrambler. I went from a Suzuki GSX 1400 to the Scrambler. I find that the rear suspension is a bit harsh. Pot holes are not back friendly on this bike. And also the gas tank could be a bit larger. Both in volume and width. There is not much to squeeze.
Yeah the suspension is ok, but not amazing. I didn't have any real complaints about it in Nashville, where roads are generally pretty good. But here in New Orleans, I've really realized I need to upgrade the rear suspension.
While I'm not interested in the upcoming scrambler that Iv'e seen in photos, I did notice they repositioned the rear brake above the swing arm. Did you look at the Zard single cone exhaust, and, if so why, did you choose Triumph's? I'm looking forward to your trip; I've been told the Earth is flat, aren't you worried that you will fall off the edge?
I know, looks like they were paying attention with the new model.
I love a bunch of Zard's exhausts, just not the prices. I ended up with the Triumph 2 into 1, because I got it for $160.00 new. Would gladly get the Tiger 70 or 2 into 1 from Zard if it was a good enough deal. Can't justify it right now. Saving for a wedding and to get Caitlyn her own bike.
Scrambler Stories: Dude! Rethink your priorities! No, seriously, congratulations! You scored big time on the exhaust. Way sick price. I agree with your takes re: black handlebars, and that obnoxious graphic on the left cover. I also prefer the B/C seat. The big attraction for me with the Scrambler is it's about an inch taller, and it looks roomier. But, I really like the T-100 done properly, and the Street Twin too. Tomorrow, I'm pulling' the trigger on one of those three.
The Triumph Adventure bikes are really, really nice, but too pricey for moi. Plus, the Classics are more my style. Consider the T.E.C. cam--it's finally available. Not expensive, and you've gotta be out of warranty by now...
The classics are my style too. Wouldn't mind a Tiger on the side, but you can't meet friends around town on a Tiger. I mean, you can, but a Modern Classic is way cooler for around town!
I didn't make it down to the dealer today. Bummer! Also, just as I was pretty much decided on the Street Twin (I like its simplicity) you posted about getting the Scrambler because it's about what you like to do. I like off-road, too, and in BC there are plenty of gravel roads, lumber roads, and trails into the bush-- cougars and bears in there too! I've got to admit that functionally the Scrambler is the choice; and, don't get me wrong I really like the funky look, too. I guess the decision will come down to the last minute, and by sitting on each of them. If the Street twin feels too cramped it'll be the Scrambler; Cramped doesn't work for day long rides. I got used to a sportier set of ergonomics, and preferred that to the more relaxo style. But that was in the nineties, and I'm full geezer now, so...
BTW, I thought about your Alaska trip. If you aren't decided on the route yet, consider getting over to Santa Fe, NM, which is the best city in the US as far as I'm concerned. I almost moved there, but decided on Vancouver BC instead. You'd love it. Anyway, you go north from there, hit Colorado, Northeastern Utah, then up through Wyoming (Gran Teton, Jackson Hole, Yellowstone) then Montana (Glacier Nat'l Park), into Alberta, and up through Banff, Lake Louise, and Jasper. Then you hit Dawson City, Yukon before getting into Alaska. Just an idea. (I'm one for avoiding interstates and straight roads, although the interstate in Montana though the mountains is pretty sweet. The scenery on that route will blow you away, too. Also, If you catch the ferry south from Anchorage that's spectacular as well. Get off in Vancouver, and I'll buy you guy's a beer or two before you take the Pacific Coast Route down to San Diego, and then through the Sonora Desert to Tucson and back to Nawlinz. Works for me. Spectacular scenery the whole way, and full of curvey roads. Geez, sounds so good I wanna do it!
Have you test rode both bikes? Definitely worth doing, as I've heard they feel different despite sharing the same engine.
New Orleans is the best city in the US! ;-) But Santa Fe and anything in the Southwest is top of my list. I lived in Tucson for four years, and I loved the desert. I will likely take the southern route to Alaska, as I will want to stop in Tucson to see friends, then head over to San Diego and eventually start the PCH up to Seattle. Then onward to Alaska. I will certainly hit you up around Vancouver, whether on the way up or on the way back. Definitely considering the ferry on the way back, since I'll be putting so many miles on the back for the trip.
RPM gauge is a must!!!
Your point about the analog rev counter is well taken. Some don't need it, but for me, lack of a real tach is a deal-breaker. Triumph offered accessory rev counters with previous generation twins (where needed) so the lack of an option now is very odd, to my mind. I've seen other reviews that really complain about the front brake. Anyone with *real* input on that?
Brakes really haven't been an issue for me personally. I think for those who are on the heavier side, or like to ride fast into the twisties, tend to feel the front braking is lacking a little. For me it's ok, but if you did something like the camshaft upgrade for more power, the front brakes should be addressed.
Camshaft upgrade? Street legal in California? Where have you seen this?
Tec bike parts and Raisch have them available. It's street legal, but pretty sure it voids the warranty.
Tec Bike Parts: shop.tecbikeparts.com/products/cam-101
Raisch Kit: www.classicbike-raisch.de/en/triumph-lc-16/news-triumph-lc/1646/powerkit-street-twin-street-cup-stage-3?c=320
Great! Thank you!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Hand guards.. the ones for the 1200 look awesome, but they won’t fit on the 900.. not without some kinds of custom made brackets from what I can tell, I tried.
Bummer. They look nice, but they don't seem to be holding up well to drops. Probably better off with Bark Busters.
Agree with all your nitpicks - especially the small tank. The one I would add is the standing position in regards to the way the exhaust pushes the right leg out a bit. To firmly stand on the footpeg some contorting needs to be done. It may be that a shotgun slip-on would address that issue, but a rider should be able to stand on a scrambler whenever needed.
I have heard someone else complain about the standing position, but honestly it's not an issue for me. Then again, it's the only bike I have ever stood on for long periods of time. Surely a ADV or dirt bike is better. But perhaps because I have the off-road foot rests and more surface area it's not as bad?
Hi, Think you about hit the nail on the head with the minor things that are wrong with the Street Scrambler. If you’re looking for more power Tec bike parts will shortly be doing a camshaft that will give you a considerable power increase (check their channel out on TH-cam). Their is also a company in Germany called Raisch that’s going to do a camshaft kit as well. As regards the new 1200 Scrambler that’s supposed to be coming out l’m just worried how heavy it will be.
Yeah. I really am ok with the power, though I wouldn't mind more. Not enough to get the camshaft. Weight will be important on the 1200 Scrambler, but if it's at or lighter than the weight of a Triumph Tiger 800, it's all the table as a potential bike to take around the world.
Scrambler Stories Well l wouldn’t hold your breath looking at the weight of a T120 l think you might find that it could weigh a bit more than a 800 Tiger but let’s keep our fingers crossed that l maybe wrong.
Things I like: The noise it makes.
Things I don't like: 1.Exhaust system routing that makes it (almost) impossible to have any luggage on the RHS. 2.Rotten suspension...beaten up scramblers that I rode in the 70s had better suspension. 3.Ground clearance. 4.Miniscule front mudguad/fender. 5.Ignition key location, way too exposed. Taking "retro" to extremes. 6.Too much chrome. 7.Too heavy. 8.Exposed oil filter. 9.No centrestand. 10.Only 5gears
A few of those points can be fixed relatively easily, others can but $$$. Scrambler 1200 takes care of almost all of those points.
Excellent vid … just a small gripe why do people quote height when talking about seat height !!!
Its obviously all about inside leg measurement and that isn't in direct relation to your height so
you learn nothing really ! … sorry just a little thing but as I have 29" inside leg its important to me !
You are exactly right! Sorry, I don't have a habit of referring to my inseam. I need to work on that. I also don't have an excuse, as I know Caitlyn has an inseam under 27", which is making bike shopping hard for her.
Aaron's inseam is around 30" - 31". With good boots on, I don't think you'd have an issue flat footing. Stay away from the British Customs seats. But if the stock seat is a problem, they make a low seat that you can get. You shouldn't have any issues.
Thanks for your reply … its not just you EVERY reviewer seems to do the same thing !
The thing is the manufacturer quoted seat height is of little help as its the width of the bike that also
matters, so if a reviewer would quote his inseam measurement and then video themselves on the bike
it gives a genuinely helpful indication of how the bike would fit other people.
Thanks again for the reply .. your a gentleman sir ..
Width is another good point. Someone told Caitlyn to try a Harley Street 500, because the set height is so low. Problem is, it's too wide! I will keep the inseam in mind if I ever do reviews on other bikes. Thanks for the tips, sir!
SHOULD HAVE COME WITH A TURBO!
It comes with a magnet... for chicks. Too bad you don't live here, I'd let you take the bike out to do some girlfriend shopping.
Does anyone else have a problem with shifter to peg distance? I just picked up my SS and I literally had to shift with the side of the boot as I couldn't get it underneath the shifter.
I have heard of someone else making a similar complaint. It has not been an issue for me though. I wear a size 11 US. In my Stylmartin Rocket boots, I've had no problems. Also no issue in my Forma Adventure boots which are pretty beefy. I think you can adjust the shifter lever a little bit. I replaced it once (bent it off-roading), and I may have not put it exactly in the same position as stock.
Scrambler Stories Its strange,. I have small feet 8.5 lol. I have owned several motorcycles and never ran into this problem before. On first glance there doesn’t seem to be much adjustment. Maybe bring the shift lever up one spline then I think it will be close to contacting the case. It almost seems like the foot peg should be farther back.
Strange. Well I saw one user on the forums or facebook who made a bracket that raised the peg on the lever a little, and allowed for his boot to fit better. He's the person that I heard make the same complaint as you.
these are all legit concerns, did you gain any power with the after market exhaust? It would have been perfect to have this bike around 80-85 horses with similar number for torque, like the T120. 213 kgs/469 lbs dry is too heavy!!!!
It felt like it got a little more pull. If you change out to a K&N air filter and remove the snorkel, it'll certainly help, but those are all small performance upgrades compared to what upgrading the cam shaft to do. Rumor is the 2019 model is getting an increase by about 10 bhp.
With you there, m8 Chrome is my hated colour
There are the occasional bikes that I see it on, and I don't hate. But ultimately it's not for me!
@@ScramblerStories brushed steel is ok but nit cheap plastic chrome th-cam.com/video/ThQuCLJ0azM/w-d-xo.html
You didn't mention the front mudguard doesn't fit the wheel, because they nickted it from the street twin, and it's cheap arse plastic crap. I personally don't have one because of some of the things you said, I have the previous air cooled model, witch I have done many upgrades, if you want more power check out Tec bike parts UK, George has developed a different cam shaft for the new 900 engine, because Triumph have stuck a restricted can init because it was to close on performance to the 1200. PS he does suspension upgrades too, the suspension on all the Bonnie range sucks. Ray in the UK.
I don't mind the front fender, but I raised it up anyway. Certainly it would have been nice if it had a 19" radius to match the tire.
I'm glad someone else knows Triumph nerfed the cams to be A2 compliant.
Great vid. Fix the cutting to the left camera; it's jarring for some reason.
Thank you!
I just wish that vance and hines exhaust didnt have that stupid carbon fiber tip
Doesn't bother me!
...oh and not sure why a guy would get a heavier 1200 scrambler when you can have an 800 Tiger XCa. That's my other bike in my stable.
Yeah I would do a Tiger 800 myself. Although the new 1200s are almost the same weight. Saw one at the dealer here and thought it was another 800 before I looked closer. Don't see why I would need that much power though.
Based on what I've felt with the T120 and my Tiger 800 (Roadie) the 1200 scrambler could have a lower center of gravity than the Tiger 800 XCA, making the heavier 1200 scrambler to some degree easier to pick up than the lighter, but not light, Tiger. I'm not young and ride solo so I'll take all the advantages I can get.
I just realized I read that thinking you meant a Tiger 1200. Ignore my comment...
Whoops, thought he meant the Tiger 1200. I'm sure the 1200 Scrambler will way around the same as the Tiger, so not too concerned there. But it'll look cooler, and "Scrambling Around the World" is appealing.
I owned a 1200 Tiger XCa for 30,000 miles and traded it for my 800 XCa. I would never want a "heavier" bike to do the off roading that I do in Colorado. I added the Scrambler to my stable for an old school cool bike that's capable of doing some of the same terrain. Other than the ground clearance difference, I think I'll be able to do much of the same tracks I've done on my Tiger. I run Shinko 804/805s on all my bikes including my street legal WR450F. I like the simplicity of the Scrambler. It makes me feel like it's 1975 again.