All those hours playing this game, I feel like I know every line of dialog, every pixel of the environment but that hidden cut scene just blew my mind. I had no idea.
Very neat explanation! Being truth, this would also prove the human attackers' audacy and cruelty. Forcing the vampire bodies to be exposed to a slow painful anual meltdown, they'd doom their souls to remain trapped in the spirit realm for all eternity. My memory might be fuzzy, but I remember Dumah's fortress being packed with vampire wraiths, yet they didn't seem to be linked to any corpse in particular. That'd mean they were probably forced to haunt the area, always next to their original bodies, never to be able to restore them ever again. Quite a grim fate for them indeed.
Dumah is my favourite of Kain's lieutenants. Plus his devolved form was the only who felt like an evolution instead of devolution. He is really was unstoppable. Anyway, great video, I can't wait for Turel next time.
I agree almost complete; only that I see Rahab as evolution as well, comparable to whales and dolphins. Blooddrinking whales... well you know what I am trying to say here 😂 Anyways, Dumah totally rocked 🤘
@@jackmakmorn Yeah, Rahab's evolution was great but in beating one of Vampire's weakness, he became extremely sensitive to another that's why It's still a devolution. While Dumah is my favourite, I admit that Rahab is a much better character in general. Even Kain had some respect to him considering he was the only he warned about Raziel's arrival.
@@prideofasia99 I always pitied him, poor guy was falling apart, literally. He also scared me to hell when I was kid. In fact, he was the reason I dropped playing Soul Reaver when I first reach that point. Horror in games was not news to me as I was playing Resident Evil, Silent Hill even back then but Melciah always terrified me more than anything.
@@prideofasia99 Melchaihai was were kids gave up, or continued onto an evolved manhood. He's an OG. Much respect. Imagine I'm in remastered/remakes graphics....
On the decay of the Dumahim's bodies in the Ash Village...I have a theory/head-canon. When you shift into the Spectral Realm, if you listen for long enough, you can sometimes hear the sound Dumah makes when he tries to devour your soul in the battle against him. It's simple: Dumah's devouring their souls, but the digestion is apparently not instantaeneous.
The digestion may not be instantaneous because he, unlike his brother Raziel, is not really a full wraith, so he needs to absorb souls slowly, and obviously, the more the distance, the slower the process
Ah, cannibalism. May have helped weaken him over time...acting as a poison. May have weakened him a great deal, allowing the hunters to kill him easier.
@@propheci um, no, they mean AFTER he got killed by the vampire hunters, he'd have become a vampire wraith in the spectral realm and naturally ate the souls of the others.
I totally missed out on that part where Raziel meets Dumah's wraith if he switched into the other realm. That is one awesome bonus from the developers.
This is what keeps me coming back to this game, there is always something I was unaware of, and I actually found all the glyphs and explored the different areas pretty thoroughly, but I still find things I missed. Such a great series / game.
@@wikipediaintellectual7088 Maybe some stuff detailing the events between BO2 and Soul Reaver? Or prequel content about Vorador and Janos? Hell even just some more stuff about the world in general that doesn't really focus on the main prophecy and characters.
@@SirKenzi I agree with this notion, and that seems like the direction they were going in for the Nosgoth mmo. Since most major characters in LoK are dead, it would make sense to add new ones. I’d also like to see more information on the everyday lives of humans in Nosgoth and how their cultures developed.
@@wikipediaintellectual7088 All this being said, I do still want to see Kain restore the Pillars with his corruption cleansed and Raziel, as ever, at his right hand, armed with hope and clarity of spirit.
@@SirKenzi Is there confirmation that the pillars aren’t instruments of the Elder God and therefore corrupt by their very nature? This is the kind of stuff that I think some good thorough worldbuilding would help.
I always wondered how on hell did the human vampire hunters managed to pierce Dumah's armor and hide with those stakes, and now I imagine the human hunters storming his throne room with 3 oversized ballistas and pinning him to his throne in one sweep attack. Hope you do Turel taking into account the SR1 deleted material as well.
I always figured they simply overwhelmed him. Sure it cost them A LOT of people to do it but eventually they wore him down enough to get him shackled into his throne at which point they managed to stake him until he finally "died". (when normally 1 impale is enough Dumah took 3)
Considering the angles of the shot, it is likely they did use ballista while he was in battle. He probably stumbled backward to his throne after the second shot, and the third pinned him down. They tried to burn him, but it didn't work, so they shackled him where he stood.
Maybe they were able to kill him by the device similar to cheiroballistra? It was quite specific weapon used by Roman army, something between heavy crossbow and balista. Strong enough to pierce any type of armor, mobile and small enough to use it in narrow corridors in dumahim town.
I had similar thoughts, given the size of the spears and the fact they seem to be made out of large pieces of wood rather than stylized spears. I feel like he was shot with ballistae as well, and the posthumously chained to his throne. Given the Humans tactics with the rest of his kind though, I wonder why they didn't burn his corpse. Perhaps they wanted to leave him intact as a monument to their victory and Dumah's hubris.
When I was younger, I remember seeing the Legacy of Kain games on the shelves of my local movie rental joint. Now that I'm learning about these games all over again I seriously want to play them. What a kick-ass series.
Only Blood Omen and the first Soul Reaver are worth playing All the other games are poor , the games de-evolved themselves into lesser versions of the originals . DS2 they got rid of the open world and replaced it with just 1 stretch of map , you go from the pillars into the swamp and then Into the mountains and then go through time twice and it's the exact same stretch of map , they got rid of the world they had on the first game . They also get rid of all your glyths from the first game and don't replace or reintroduce them there is no power ups at all in the game your hp gets higher bit you have no magic anymore and never get any stronger than you are at the start of the game , combat is more janky in the second and the enemies are harder all the while making you weaker . All the textures look the same on 2 as well so you often get into battle and turned around and end up going back the way you came because all the rooms and halls look the same , there's also far more puzzles which no one asked for , so a in all SR2 was a far lesser game than the first SR3 defiance was the absolute killer of the series , in 2 they take all your power away and in 3 they take your ability to control the camera away and turned the game into a typical hack and slash near side scrolling game And the story doesn't continue on from the last like it did between 1-2 it was a tragedy what they done to the series . So yeah if you're thinking of picking up a copy of the games take what I said into stride , legacy of Kain blood omen is an amazing game and legacy of Kain:Soul Reaver is an amazing game I'd pick them up for sure SR2 you might wanna get to unravel the mystery left from the first game, but the story is the only good thing about the entire game , and yeah you will regret paying for defiance it's not worth picking up , I'd just watch a TH-cam video of it to get what's rest of the story
@@MrJoel69xxx very well said,I fell the same about the series,never even got to the 3 instalment..1st one was atmospheric bath.Story and soundtrack was doing 70% of the package..
Well if they do a remake, We should get a new power-up because @StrictlyFantasy is right about the constraint ability. It’s so bad, The developers of Crystal Dynamics decided to remove the ability from Soul Reaver 2 and Legacy of Kain: Defiance.
The constrict ability could be reimagined in the future as a sudden burst of stunning and choking energy that Dumahim could emit from their fist when performing a rare esoteric martial art punch that involves a circular wind-up technique. My problem with the Rhino likening is that it feels it would kinda negate the melee weapon prowess Dumah had. Also, wasn't there like an additional lore element to the Dumahim that in their devolution they gained the attribute of their bodies being able to be fused together with the armor they wear if worn for a long long time? Man, you know what I miss? Depictions of the other lieutenants in a similar state of their devolution! Past their intro appearance, but before their total devolution! Just like how we saw Dumah here since at the time the wraith Raziel encountered him his devolution was paused for years keeping his rather humanoid build. So here we have a giant armored tank who can drain your blood with his long tongue, drain your soul from a distance, impervious to conventional attacks, a master combatant who is also extremely versed in fighting armored targets since he has a blacksmith lore heritage, can emit a sort of constriction energy at close range, and can shake the ground at long range to stun potentially dozens of foes. And he can do almost all of these tricks in the spectral realm with the exception of blood draining! His only downfall is bad strategy (and the usual vampire weaknesses).
I'm astonished at the depth of your videos. The research and care you put into them really brings out the lore. Dumah was one hulking, fearsome creature. I enjoyed the contrast between his monstrous body and classy speech pattern.
Wow! Decades later I find out there was another cut-scene in the spirit world that I never saw! This game was even more amazing than I knew. I hope they reboot this series or at least give us more content to enjoy.
Dumah reminds me of the story of Lucifer how his arrogance was his downfall. Thanks for uploading these dude! I really love the fact There’s still LOK media being uploaded, I would love to see at least a reboot of all the games. There is so much context and substance to these games it’s a shame they never made it to the mainstream, these days people want online multiplayer not good story
"Unlike his other brothers, Dumah’s devolution was prematurely halted when he was killed. This explains why his appearance is not as horrific as his other siblings." That explains a lot
Dumah was a brilliant warrior and strategist. He opted for a new path of evolution, becoming a wraith like Raziel, to have a fighting chance. The difference of course, he can't shift realms like Raziel and make a new body in planar portals, so once he lost his body in the furnace, he was done.
@@papapapa16 that is neither a new path of evolution, nor a brilliant choice. All vampire spirits when left long enough to fetter in the spectral plane, adapt and begin to feast on souls. There are numerous examples, the entire vampire wraith enemy type. Dumah was struck down by vampire hunters, but stuck around in the spectral plane and brought that ability back once raziel removed the impaling implements. No different to that random melchahim that you pull a staff out of when first learning about vampire wraiths. It's true that his body stopped changing while he was dead. But that wasn't really by his own choice...
@@FFKonoko sorry I didn't explain myself. My theory is that Dumah let himself get caught on purpose, I mean, he was probably the most powerful being in all of Nosgoth at the time, how else would the humans beat him? Kain told everyone that Raziel would return to kill them, so Dumah probably thought this was his best fighting chance.
I played this game a lot as a teen. I knew everything about this game.........until my friend asked if i had ever shifted in the throne room before starting the right. I was like no, why the hell would i bother? And then did it to humor him and BOOM, mind blown.
I knew about the hidden cut scene but only because of curiosity, since I liked seeing how the world's between living and spirit looked differently I just warped to the spirit in his chamber and found him there. Very cool.
I love how you keep asking do we want to see more. I damn near foam at the mouth for these videos. The narration, knowledge of the lore and, the top shelf editing works. There is no do we want more. Give us what you got, ALL OF IT.
MOOOOORRRRRRRREEEEEEEEE!!!!! I WANT TO SEE MOREEEE!!! Amazing job on the in depth explanation. I did manage to play the very first LOK way back before Soul Reaver came out. This series is one of my all time favorites for video games hands down. I just watched your entire LOK series so far, you definitely filled in some blanks I had when I first played through these games. I was really young so it doesn't surprise me that I missed some things, there was a lot of moving parts to grasp in this epic story. Thank you and I look forward to more, like the rest of his brothers, Malek, Mortanious, Vorador, and definitely Janos Aldrin if possible.
it took me two days to find out how to kill Dumah. and when I did smite him eventually, i let out a yell, for the first time in my life, and then got beaten for yelling for such nonsense ... ah yes. not so happy childhood memories.
I know the feeling. When I was younger, a boss I remember struggling with for months was Demons Gate from FF7. When I finally defeated it, I was yelling with joy.
Hopefully you do more character studies for characters in the original blood omen. It's not as widely known as its soul reaver counterpart, and finding the original game is quite hard already, so going back for the story is difficult. Just a thought. Keep up the good work.
Can you do a video highlighting how Nosgoth changes through the eras? An overview of how the land itself decays, and how its inhabitants, humans and vampires alike, slowly come to ruin, would be really interesting.
@@strictlyfantasy Thank you. And fantastic channel by the way. This is swiftly becoming one of my favourite haunts on TH-cam. This must have been a lot of hard work.
This video series is giving me a much deeper appreciation for the game and its story, which is saying a lot considering I already think of it as the best in the medium.
Not remade just a facelift keep all the original audio just update the graphics don't change anything about the story or architecture make the old magic new again
Can't wait for the Turel character study, these videos revived my love for LOK and it's teaching me new stuff about the series I didn't even know about. Keep up the great work!
theses are really well done and frankly they have become the highlight of my work day thanks for the hard work and great insight into it, its nice to see something that isn't reading from a wiki word for word
I have to wonder why none of Dumahs children came back to try and free their lord, and instead apparently choosing to go feral. Maybe they didn't feel that freeing Dumah would be enough for him to overlook that his own "elite warriors" chose to flee instead of fighting to the end?
Dumah’s armor is a result of his insecurity the same way Zephon’s evolution was a result of his cowardice and Rahab’s was of his desperation. This isn’t really about Dumah, but I had a related thought. I always wondered what Kain’s evolution was. (Yes I acknowledge Kain abandoning his kingdom during Nosgoth but he’s still really fucking old) I believe The Heart of Darkness spent thousands of years attaching Kain to the Reaver . He didn’t change like his sons because his alteration was different. It’s why he lived after Raziel tore his heart out and also why spectral reaver was the only weapon that could kill him. That was his evolution. It would even explain how Janos knew who Raziel was without knowing he was the spirit within the Reaver. I’d love to see a video on. Vorador and I know you don’t like Blood Omen 2 but I’d be glad if you did a video for Faustus, Magnus, etc.
So I'm seeing some interesting theories to explain the rotted Dumahim corpses like the snow slowly melting them or Dumah feeding on their souls but there is a line that does seem to confirm that vampire bodies should decompose. When Raziel see's the body of Janos he seems shocked that Janos has not decayed, even going so far as to ask how it's possible. and that's only five hundred years. So it stands to reason that the considerably weaker Dumahim could have rotted away over the thousand or so years between Raziel's death and resurrection
These are so well done. I look forward to this every time they come out. I love the fact that this game series is still getting so much attention and love after all these years
I remember when I first discovered that extra cutscene between Dumah and Raziel in the spiritual world I played games so many time just trying to find secret stuff in them
Legacy of Kain is one of the best game series ever conceived, the mechanics, the dialogue, the ambience, the lore and the environment. Just brilliant. Thanks for making a lore channel man. It was much needed!
I thought Turel had control of the forges cause the lava rivers were located in Nozgoths North-Eastern mountains where Turels territory was directly located.
With his size and strength and his offspring's ability to extend their tongues to feed on blood, I think he could've become more like an elephant. Elephants are powerful fighters with their trunks and tusks after all
Thanks very much for the video. Dumah is the brother of Raziel who always unnerved me the most. He isn't some monstrosity, he is just stronger, more powerful, than any other vampire. Aside from Kain, of course. I could only imagine the battle that took place between Dumah and the humans. Striking down one of Kain's lieutenants had to have been a monumental achievement. I wonder if this is what gave humans the morale to continue in the blighted future Nosgoth?
YES! Finally another episode of this simply incredible character study series, Dumah is one of the most interesting cases of Kain's lieutenants, cus as you said he managed to retain most of the benefits of his transformation without much downsides, fighting him for the first time is beyond scary, and honestly is one of the things you would wish you could forget how to do, solely to go through again. Soul Reaver did that really well, seeing as Raziel is usually at a disadvantage against his brethren, and you'd have to come up with a way to get the upper hand, it made fights so much more interesting than a brawl. Honestly the only thing I find is a shame is the fact that Turel is kidnapped through time by Azimuth so we dont get to see how he would've been in soul reaver 1, can't really complain though cus finding him in defiance was an unsettling surprise to say the least. A question though, who do you think you're gonna be covering after your done with the lieutenants? Janos or Vorador maybe? Mortanius? The prophecy of the hylden/vampire champion? I'd say the guardians but I dont think we have alot about most of them which is a shame. Looking forward to the next video though! You do an incredible job with every single one of these, so keep it up!
Once again, great work doing this! I love the approach to each character, I can't believe you can found him in the spectral realm, I never tried that before
I'm loving these. I only stumbled upon your series recently and I was thrilled to realize that it was in-progress with up-to-date theories and lore explanations presented with good diction and impressive visuals. i can't even begin to fathom how difficult it must have been for you to get so much quality footage from Nosgoth. very well done series!
It shames me to say that this was the only puzzle in the entire LoK series that I required assitance to solve. I kept looking for environmental assistance (as was the case for the previous bosses) and it never occurred to me to go THAT FAR BACK to the furnace. That said, once I learned how to kill Dumah, I realised that the developers DID give us a VERY SUBTLE hint on how to kill Dumah that, it appears, even you have missed while making this video: when Raziel said "he would have BURNED with shame..." that was a very subtle hint that Dumah needed to be burned to be destroyed 😉
When Dumah said not even Kain is his equal I assumed in terms of raw physical strength and endurance. I knew he wouldn't be strong enough to kill Kain tho. Where Dumah is all Brawn, Raziel and Kain are also Brawn but more so Brain. His boss fight literally is the depiction of playing Cat and Mouse but the Tom & Jerry way
I love Dumah, and ash waters. Has a atmosphere of a thriving land that because of the stubbornness of its ruler and it's incapacity to see any threats due to it's own self esteem and over confidence turned one of nosgoth biggest empires to a pool of demise and ashes.
And it's my own favourite battle, to not be constricted to the boss chambers and yet try to find out in the whole city how to kill a giant colossus chasing you in both helms
If a remake of this game was to ever get off the ground, I'd hope they'd make the constructor bands more feasible; instead of running around the enemy to bind them, Raziel could summon it like the Reaver and use it akin to a whip to ensnare foes
Love these analysis videos on the brethren. But im surprised you didnt mention how Dumah was the only brother who took a step forward looking distressed when Raziel's wings were ripped.
@@JabamiLain My mistake, I just started a replay about a week ago. While he didnt actually take a step forward, he did in fact show visible distress as if he were about to interfere. Almost looked like he stayed his hand because all the other bretheren were just watching. It all happens rather fast, right when Kain rips the bones and Raziel collapses to the floor, Dumah is right behind Kain. Also I noticed in the same intro scene, Right before Raziel kneels to reveal his wings, Dumah in fact notices them early and subtly tenses up as if he knew Kain wouldn't be happy
I think the best ability you could of gotten from dumah would of been the ability to tear the souls out of stunned victims without the reaver blade like the drain the wraiths use. Or following on his eventual rhino de- evolution maybe a 'charge' ability allowing razeil to ram vamps to stun them and open doors
This was my favorite boss fight! I do wish devouring his soul gave Raziel even greater strength; being able lift heavier objects, leap greater distances, and cause localized earthquakes like his brother.
Just wanted you to know how much I love your videos on the legacy of kain series. It’s unfortunate that the game series died out long ago, in my mind there is lots of potential for this game to carry on into modern times on modern consoles but I guess it’s a relic of the past. I watch every video you make about these characters etc. thank you for taking the time to put these videos together. I think they’re very good quality and very entertaining
OMG the nostalgia!@#@! You guys too? I didnt know so many people were still talking about this game, thats so cool. They ever gonna come out with a remake?
15:02 Although Dumah can be a little slow in the head at times, you gotta appreciate his power to defy gravity XD
One might say he’s a real Dumahss
@Sith Jawa That's an interesting question. Depends on how strong those spindly legs are.
TY SO MUCH!!!
Best Vampire worst power up
Now the next one is Turel.
Dumah: I could just punch you out of this realm, but I'll run circles around you instead.
All those hours playing this game, I feel like I know every line of dialog, every pixel of the environment but that hidden cut scene just blew my mind. I had no idea.
@Sith Jawa come to save my soul prodigal brother?
Wait until you try and open the Sanctuary Clan's Gates by hand from outside, if you haven't already.
Same dude. Out of all the secrets and even playing with the debug menu, this cutscene took me by surprise when watching the video.
same
It's gotten a remaster that comes out in December
Maybe the dumahim bodies looked decayed because it was snowing, so the watery touch would slowly break them down, but not fully?
thats a very nice explaination! they were essentially lying in acid for years.
@@AnnaCurser Exaaaactllyyyy :)
That is true.🤔 Or duma could have eat they souls. I mean he was hanging around as a soul for a long time. And there are like no souls around.
I guess the humans waited for the Dumahim territory to snow, so they could get a field advantage.
Very neat explanation!
Being truth, this would also prove the human attackers' audacy and cruelty. Forcing the vampire bodies to be exposed to a slow painful anual meltdown, they'd doom their souls to remain trapped in the spirit realm for all eternity. My memory might be fuzzy, but I remember Dumah's fortress being packed with vampire wraiths, yet they didn't seem to be linked to any corpse in particular. That'd mean they were probably forced to haunt the area, always next to their original bodies, never to be able to restore them ever again. Quite a grim fate for them indeed.
Dumah is my favourite of Kain's lieutenants. Plus his devolved form was the only who felt like an evolution instead of devolution. He is really was unstoppable.
Anyway, great video, I can't wait for Turel next time.
I agree almost complete; only that I see Rahab as evolution as well, comparable to whales and dolphins. Blooddrinking whales... well you know what I am trying to say here 😂
Anyways, Dumah totally rocked 🤘
@@jackmakmorn Yeah, Rahab's evolution was great but in beating one of Vampire's weakness, he became extremely sensitive to another that's why It's still a devolution. While Dumah is my favourite, I admit that Rahab is a much better character in general. Even Kain had some respect to him considering he was the only he warned about Raziel's arrival.
Am I the only one with a soft spot for Melchaiah?
@@prideofasia99 I always pitied him, poor guy was falling apart, literally. He also scared me to hell when I was kid. In fact, he was the reason I dropped playing Soul Reaver when I first reach that point. Horror in games was not news to me as I was playing Resident Evil, Silent Hill even back then but Melciah always terrified me more than anything.
@@prideofasia99 Melchaihai was were kids gave up, or continued onto an evolved manhood.
He's an OG. Much respect. Imagine I'm in remastered/remakes graphics....
On the decay of the Dumahim's bodies in the Ash Village...I have a theory/head-canon.
When you shift into the Spectral Realm, if you listen for long enough, you can sometimes hear the sound Dumah makes when he tries to devour your soul in the battle against him. It's simple: Dumah's devouring their souls, but the digestion is apparently not instantaeneous.
The digestion may not be instantaneous because he, unlike his brother Raziel, is not really a full wraith, so he needs to absorb souls slowly, and obviously, the more the distance, the slower the process
I heard that too. Actually, it was just a regular wraith that was on the other side of the wall lol.
How would dumas eat souls? Has he become a wraith?
@@shawnganske8731 yes, but he kept his body intact, unlike raziel who makes a new body everytime he shifts.
Youre very perceptive
I hypothesise that Dumah ate the souls of his clan in the fortress, thus the rot.
good idea
Ah, cannibalism. May have helped weaken him over time...acting as a poison. May have weakened him a great deal, allowing the hunters to kill him easier.
@@propheci um, no, they mean AFTER he got killed by the vampire hunters, he'd have become a vampire wraith in the spectral realm and naturally ate the souls of the others.
I always look forward to these.
SAME
Same here
Highlight of the day for sure.
Same.
Yes!
I totally missed out on that part where Raziel meets Dumah's wraith if he switched into the other realm. That is one awesome bonus from the developers.
I wonder if anyone has ever tried to go to the spectral realm in Janos tomb in Defiance to see if the same thing would happen.
@@Crimsonknight111 it's a bit different with him, since he's an original and with the still beating heart thing...
This is what keeps me coming back to this game, there is always something I was unaware of, and I actually found all the glyphs and explored the different areas pretty thoroughly, but I still find things I missed. Such a great series / game.
it is so depressing this series never got to flourish and was reduced to a hack n slash and then deleted from existence
It certainly has a lot of potential as an IP, but I’d advocate for some books/comics to revive it slowly rather than trying to make more games first.
@@wikipediaintellectual7088 Maybe some stuff detailing the events between BO2 and Soul Reaver? Or prequel content about Vorador and Janos? Hell even just some more stuff about the world in general that doesn't really focus on the main prophecy and characters.
@@SirKenzi
I agree with this notion, and that seems like the direction they were going in for the Nosgoth mmo.
Since most major characters in LoK are dead, it would make sense to add new ones. I’d also like to see more information on the everyday lives of humans in Nosgoth and how their cultures developed.
@@wikipediaintellectual7088 All this being said, I do still want to see Kain restore the Pillars with his corruption cleansed and Raziel, as ever, at his right hand, armed with hope and clarity of spirit.
@@SirKenzi
Is there confirmation that the pillars aren’t instruments of the Elder God and therefore corrupt by their very nature?
This is the kind of stuff that I think some good thorough worldbuilding would help.
I always wondered how on hell did the human vampire hunters managed to pierce Dumah's armor and hide with those stakes, and now I imagine the human hunters storming his throne room with 3 oversized ballistas and pinning him to his throne in one sweep attack.
Hope you do Turel taking into account the SR1 deleted material as well.
I always figured they simply overwhelmed him. Sure it cost them A LOT of people to do it but eventually they wore him down enough to get him shackled into his throne at which point they managed to stake him until he finally "died". (when normally 1 impale is enough Dumah took 3)
Considering the angles of the shot, it is likely they did use ballista while he was in battle. He probably stumbled backward to his throne after the second shot, and the third pinned him down. They tried to burn him, but it didn't work, so they shackled him where he stood.
Maybe they were able to kill him by the device similar to cheiroballistra? It was quite specific weapon used by Roman army, something between heavy crossbow and balista. Strong enough to pierce any type of armor, mobile and small enough to use it in narrow corridors in dumahim town.
That's pretty cool.
I had similar thoughts, given the size of the spears and the fact they seem to be made out of large pieces of wood rather than stylized spears. I feel like he was shot with ballistae as well, and the posthumously chained to his throne. Given the Humans tactics with the rest of his kind though, I wonder why they didn't burn his corpse. Perhaps they wanted to leave him intact as a monument to their victory and Dumah's hubris.
I wish we could see some concept art of him in his "Full Beast" form. A giant vampiric ghost rhino sounds like the most metal thing ever.
When I was younger, I remember seeing the Legacy of Kain games on the shelves of my local movie rental joint. Now that I'm learning about these games all over again I seriously want to play them. What a kick-ass series.
At the movie rental? But LoK are games?
Only Blood Omen and the first Soul Reaver are worth playing
All the other games are poor , the games de-evolved themselves into lesser versions of the originals .
DS2 they got rid of the open world and replaced it with just 1 stretch of map , you go from the pillars into the swamp and then Into the mountains and then go through time twice and it's the exact same stretch of map , they got rid of the world they had on the first game . They also get rid of all your glyths from the first game and don't replace or reintroduce them there is no power ups at all in the game your hp gets higher bit you have no magic anymore and never get any stronger than you are at the start of the game , combat is more janky in the second and the enemies are harder all the while making you weaker .
All the textures look the same on 2 as well so you often get into battle and turned around and end up going back the way you came because all the rooms and halls look the same , there's also far more puzzles which no one asked for , so a in all SR2 was a far lesser game than the first
SR3 defiance was the absolute killer of the series , in 2 they take all your power away and in 3 they take your ability to control the camera away and turned the game into a typical hack and slash near side scrolling game
And the story doesn't continue on from the last like it did between 1-2 it was a tragedy what they done to the series .
So yeah if you're thinking of picking up a copy of the games take what I said into stride , legacy of Kain blood omen is an amazing game and legacy of Kain:Soul Reaver is an amazing game I'd pick them up for sure SR2 you might wanna get to unravel the mystery left from the first game, but the story is the only good thing about the entire game , and yeah you will regret paying for defiance it's not worth picking up , I'd just watch a TH-cam video of it to get what's rest of the story
@@MrJoel69xxx very well said,I fell the same about the series,never even got to the 3 instalment..1st one was atmospheric bath.Story and soundtrack was doing 70% of the package..
Can we talk about the absolute badassery of the human army storming a major vampire hub and wiping out the whole thing?
Oh wow you used my drawing of Dumah at 9:40 and credited me thats awesome. I’ve been in a LoK mood lately so thats awesome to see! 😊 Thank you!
Beautiful work!
Me, after the fight is over: "tf am I gonna do with constrict??- gimme the ground pound ability!"
this series deserves a remake, can you imagine these monsters with todays graphics like damn. chased by dumah could be terrifying
Imagine a fight with Dumah like the one against Baldur in GOW.
Well if they do a remake,
We should get a new power-up because @StrictlyFantasy is right about the constraint ability.
It’s so bad,
The developers of Crystal Dynamics decided to remove the ability from Soul Reaver 2 and Legacy of Kain: Defiance.
Man, Dumah was the boss who gave me the most chills when I was younger.
The constrict ability could be reimagined in the future as a sudden burst of stunning and choking energy that Dumahim could emit from their fist when performing a rare esoteric martial art punch that involves a circular wind-up technique.
My problem with the Rhino likening is that it feels it would kinda negate the melee weapon prowess Dumah had.
Also, wasn't there like an additional lore element to the Dumahim that in their devolution they gained the attribute of their bodies being able to be fused together with the armor they wear if worn for a long long time?
Man, you know what I miss? Depictions of the other lieutenants in a similar state of their devolution! Past their intro appearance, but before their total devolution! Just like how we saw Dumah here since at the time the wraith Raziel encountered him his devolution was paused for years keeping his rather humanoid build.
So here we have a giant armored tank who can drain your blood with his long tongue, drain your soul from a distance, impervious to conventional attacks, a master combatant who is also extremely versed in fighting armored targets since he has a blacksmith lore heritage, can emit a sort of constriction energy at close range, and can shake the ground at long range to stun potentially dozens of foes. And he can do almost all of these tricks in the spectral realm with the exception of blood draining!
His only downfall is bad strategy (and the usual vampire weaknesses).
They tied up their weapons to their arms, that much is known
I'm astonished at the depth of your videos. The research and care you put into them really brings out the lore. Dumah was one hulking, fearsome creature. I enjoyed the contrast between his monstrous body and classy speech pattern.
Wow! Decades later I find out there was another cut-scene in the spirit world that I never saw! This game was even more amazing than I knew. I hope they reboot this series or at least give us more content to enjoy.
I just realized that Soul Reaver 2 is 20 years old this year
Only one more brother left to talk about, and will defenitly be an interesting tale.
His battle and size was the most intimidating, please do Turel and the members of the circle of the pillars
Yet another amazing character study.
"the pen is mightier than the sword"
"those who live by the sword, die by the sword"
I didn't realize the spectral realm cutscene was hidden. I saw it first time I played it.
Dumah reminds me of the story of Lucifer how his arrogance was his downfall. Thanks for uploading these dude! I really love the fact
There’s still LOK media being uploaded, I would love to see at least a reboot of all the games. There is so much context and substance to these games it’s a shame they never made it to the mainstream, these days people want online multiplayer not good story
"Unlike his other brothers, Dumah’s devolution was prematurely halted when he was killed. This explains why his appearance is not as horrific as his other siblings." That explains a lot
Dumah was a brilliant warrior and strategist. He opted for a new path of evolution, becoming a wraith like Raziel, to have a fighting chance.
The difference of course, he can't shift realms like Raziel and make a new body in planar portals, so once he lost his body in the furnace, he was done.
@@papapapa16 that is neither a new path of evolution, nor a brilliant choice.
All vampire spirits when left long enough to fetter in the spectral plane, adapt and begin to feast on souls. There are numerous examples, the entire vampire wraith enemy type.
Dumah was struck down by vampire hunters, but stuck around in the spectral plane and brought that ability back once raziel removed the impaling implements. No different to that random melchahim that you pull a staff out of when first learning about vampire wraiths.
It's true that his body stopped changing while he was dead. But that wasn't really by his own choice...
@@FFKonoko sorry I didn't explain myself. My theory is that Dumah let himself get caught on purpose, I mean, he was probably the most powerful being in all of Nosgoth at the time, how else would the humans beat him? Kain told everyone that Raziel would return to kill them, so Dumah probably thought this was his best fighting chance.
dead internet theory.. I don’t believe most of you are real anymore
9:22 "At this point, they are both wraiths, they had both died once already." Twice, technically XD
His voice was probably like that to symbolize how close to Kain he was but lost himself due to dying unlike his brothers, thats my headcannon tho
His name was so might-sounding; that's why I named my dog after him.
Been binge-watching your vids. Thanks for sharing!
I played this game a lot as a teen. I knew everything about this game.........until my friend asked if i had ever shifted in the throne room before starting the right. I was like no, why the hell would i bother? And then did it to humor him and BOOM, mind blown.
I'm always happy to see these and to see that the legacy if kain fan base is still alive
After the last three, I don't think I've clicked faster
I knew about the hidden cut scene but only because of curiosity, since I liked seeing how the world's between living and spirit looked differently I just warped to the spirit in his chamber and found him there. Very cool.
I love how you keep asking do we want to see more. I damn near foam at the mouth for these videos. The narration, knowledge of the lore and, the top shelf editing works. There is no do we want more. Give us what you got, ALL OF IT.
6:14 wow... mind blown. I played this game in my childhood many times and I never knew this was a thing. Pretty cool!
MOOOOORRRRRRRREEEEEEEEE!!!!! I WANT TO SEE MOREEEE!!! Amazing job on the in depth explanation. I did manage to play the very first LOK way back before Soul Reaver came out. This series is one of my all time favorites for video games hands down. I just watched your entire LOK series so far, you definitely filled in some blanks I had when I first played through these games. I was really young so it doesn't surprise me that I missed some things, there was a lot of moving parts to grasp in this epic story. Thank you and I look forward to more, like the rest of his brothers, Malek, Mortanious, Vorador, and definitely Janos Aldrin if possible.
it took me two days to find out how to kill Dumah. and when I did smite him eventually, i let out a yell, for the first time in my life,
and then got beaten for yelling for such nonsense ...
ah yes. not so happy childhood memories.
I know the feeling. When I was younger, a boss I remember struggling with for months was Demons Gate from FF7. When I finally defeated it, I was yelling with joy.
"and then got beaten for yelling for such nonsense" what the heck?
Your power up should have been a seismic punch to the ground and have you stun enemies.
@johnsummers2943 Yeah, that would've been cool.
My favorite boss. Seemed like an amazing evolution and I would’ve liked to see him fight Kain.
Been a fan of legacy of kain series for a long time. Just discovered the channel, great stuff!
Very like that additional info about voice actors and other insights👍🏻
Hopefully you do more character studies for characters in the original blood omen. It's not as widely known as its soul reaver counterpart, and finding the original game is quite hard already, so going back for the story is difficult. Just a thought. Keep up the good work.
Can you do a video highlighting how Nosgoth changes through the eras? An overview of how the land itself decays, and how its inhabitants, humans and vampires alike, slowly come to ruin, would be really interesting.
For sure. I was thinking about doing something like that soon actually.
@@strictlyfantasy Thank you. And fantastic channel by the way. This is swiftly becoming one of my favourite haunts on TH-cam. This must have been a lot of hard work.
This video series is giving me a much deeper appreciation for the game and its story, which is saying a lot considering I already think of it as the best in the medium.
Damn, I wish this game would get remade.
I second that!
Not remade just a facelift keep all the original audio just update the graphics don't change anything about the story or architecture make the old magic new again
I can't believe I never once thought to check the spectral plane before removing the spears from his body. I am blown away
Can't wait for the Turel character study, these videos revived my love for LOK and it's teaching me new stuff about the series I didn't even know about. Keep up the great work!
theses are really well done and frankly they have become the highlight of my work day thanks for the hard work and great insight into it, its nice to see something that isn't reading from a wiki word for word
It is amazing to know there are still fellow Soul Reaver/Legacy of Kain fans out there, thank you so much for these uploads 🙏
we are here))
I have to wonder why none of Dumahs children came back to try and free their lord, and instead apparently choosing to go feral.
Maybe they didn't feel that freeing Dumah would be enough for him to overlook that his own "elite warriors" chose to flee instead of fighting to the end?
I am loving these character studies you are doing on the Legacy of Kain series, please do not stop them anytime soon.
Dumah’s armor is a result of his insecurity the same way Zephon’s evolution was a result of his cowardice and Rahab’s was of his desperation. This isn’t really about Dumah, but I had a related thought. I always wondered what Kain’s evolution was. (Yes I acknowledge Kain abandoning his kingdom during Nosgoth but he’s still really fucking old) I believe The Heart of Darkness spent thousands of years attaching Kain to the Reaver . He didn’t change like his sons because his alteration was different. It’s why he lived after Raziel tore his heart out and also why spectral reaver was the only weapon that could kill him. That was his evolution. It would even explain how Janos knew who Raziel was without knowing he was the spirit within the Reaver. I’d love to see a video on. Vorador and I know you don’t like Blood Omen 2 but I’d be glad if you did a video for Faustus, Magnus, etc.
Kain didn't change because he used the time devices after throwing Raziel to the abyss. He didn't want to wait another eternity!
I wish they would start this series back up again. It was one of my favorite series of games.
I’m glad these videos are still coming! I’ve just got back into this series after about 15 years and I love it!
So I'm seeing some interesting theories to explain the rotted Dumahim corpses like the snow slowly melting them or Dumah feeding on their souls but there is a line that does seem to confirm that vampire bodies should decompose. When Raziel see's the body of Janos he seems shocked that Janos has not decayed, even going so far as to ask how it's possible. and that's only five hundred years. So it stands to reason that the considerably weaker Dumahim could have rotted away over the thousand or so years between Raziel's death and resurrection
These are so well done. I look forward to this every time they come out. I love the fact that this game series is still getting so much attention and love after all these years
I remember when I first discovered that extra cutscene between Dumah and Raziel in the spiritual world I played games so many time just trying to find secret stuff in them
Every actor in Soul Reaver got two roles, including Anna Gunn and Neil Ross
Legacy of Kain is one of the best game series ever conceived, the mechanics, the dialogue, the ambience, the lore and the environment. Just brilliant. Thanks for making a lore channel man. It was much needed!
I thought Turel had control of the forges cause the lava rivers were located in Nozgoths North-Eastern mountains where Turels territory was directly located.
I missed the spectral cutscene ! (Well I couldn't know it was there).
With his size and strength and his offspring's ability to extend their tongues to feed on blood, I think he could've become more like an elephant. Elephants are powerful fighters with their trunks and tusks after all
Thanks very much for the video. Dumah is the brother of Raziel who always unnerved me the most. He isn't some monstrosity, he is just stronger, more powerful, than any other vampire. Aside from Kain, of course. I could only imagine the battle that took place between Dumah and the humans. Striking down one of Kain's lieutenants had to have been a monumental achievement. I wonder if this is what gave humans the morale to continue in the blighted future Nosgoth?
You're doing great with these man. Hope you keep going
YES! Finally another episode of this simply incredible character study series, Dumah is one of the most interesting cases of Kain's lieutenants, cus as you said he managed to retain most of the benefits of his transformation without much downsides, fighting him for the first time is beyond scary, and honestly is one of the things you would wish you could forget how to do, solely to go through again. Soul Reaver did that really well, seeing as Raziel is usually at a disadvantage against his brethren, and you'd have to come up with a way to get the upper hand, it made fights so much more interesting than a brawl.
Honestly the only thing I find is a shame is the fact that Turel is kidnapped through time by Azimuth so we dont get to see how he would've been in soul reaver 1, can't really complain though cus finding him in defiance was an unsettling surprise to say the least.
A question though, who do you think you're gonna be covering after your done with the lieutenants? Janos or Vorador maybe? Mortanius? The prophecy of the hylden/vampire champion? I'd say the guardians but I dont think we have alot about most of them which is a shame. Looking forward to the next video though! You do an incredible job with every single one of these, so keep it up!
Once again, great work doing this! I love the approach to each character, I can't believe you can found him in the spectral realm, I never tried that before
As a kid, the dumah boss fight was terrifying
I'm loving these. I only stumbled upon your series recently and I was thrilled to realize that it was in-progress with up-to-date theories and lore explanations presented with good diction and impressive visuals. i can't even begin to fathom how difficult it must have been for you to get so much quality footage from Nosgoth. very well done series!
It shames me to say that this was the only puzzle in the entire LoK series that I required assitance to solve. I kept looking for environmental assistance (as was the case for the previous bosses) and it never occurred to me to go THAT FAR BACK to the furnace.
That said, once I learned how to kill Dumah, I realised that the developers DID give us a VERY SUBTLE hint on how to kill Dumah that, it appears, even you have missed while making this video: when Raziel said "he would have BURNED with shame..." that was a very subtle hint that Dumah needed to be burned to be destroyed 😉
Hope to see the one on Turel soon. He was one of my favorites.
Great video. I appreciate the effort you put in.
Looking forward to the rest in this series.
It makes me so happy to see more fans of this awesome series
I've been enjoying these SO much! Thanks for helping me revisit one of my childhood classics!
When Dumah said not even Kain is his equal I assumed in terms of raw physical strength and endurance. I knew he wouldn't be strong enough to kill Kain tho. Where Dumah is all Brawn, Raziel and Kain are also Brawn but more so Brain. His boss fight literally is the depiction of playing Cat and Mouse but the Tom & Jerry way
If only raziel would had realized he could just burn the body while he was staked.
This franchise needs to be turned into an animated streaming series of either movies or a show.
Raziel: what the fuck am I going to do with Constrict?!
I like the way Dumah demonstrates that fire kills everything, unless that thing is explicitly fireproof.
I just binged watched all your LOK video's and then you had to upload this. No I need to watch this before going to bed.
A great way to start the weekend!
I love Dumah, and ash waters. Has a atmosphere of a thriving land that because of the stubbornness of its ruler and it's incapacity to see any threats due to it's own self esteem and over confidence turned one of nosgoth biggest empires to a pool of demise and ashes.
And it's my own favourite battle, to not be constricted to the boss chambers and yet try to find out in the whole city how to kill a giant colossus chasing you in both helms
If a remake of this game was to ever get off the ground, I'd hope they'd make the constructor bands more feasible; instead of running around the enemy to bind them, Raziel could summon it like the Reaver and use it akin to a whip to ensnare foes
Edit: And I just finished re-re-re-re-playing Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver XD
Never forget...
You're doing a service to game fans by continuing to cover this series and refusing to let it die.
Yes!!!! Been waiting for this. Love this channel ❤
Just found these the other day and was hoping that new ones would come out. Keep it up.
Love these analysis videos on the brethren. But im surprised you didnt mention how Dumah was the only brother who took a step forward looking distressed when Raziel's wings were ripped.
Really ? He did ?
@@JabamiLain My mistake, I just started a replay about a week ago. While he didnt actually take a step forward, he did in fact show visible distress as if he were about to interfere.
Almost looked like he stayed his hand because all the other bretheren were just watching. It all happens rather fast, right when Kain rips the bones and Raziel collapses to the floor, Dumah is right behind Kain.
Also I noticed in the same intro scene, Right before Raziel kneels to reveal his wings, Dumah in fact notices them early and subtly tenses up as if he knew Kain wouldn't be happy
I think the best ability you could of gotten from dumah would of been the ability to tear the souls out of stunned victims without the reaver blade like the drain the wraiths use. Or following on his eventual rhino de- evolution maybe a 'charge' ability allowing razeil to ram vamps to stun them and open doors
This was my favorite boss fight! I do wish devouring his soul gave Raziel even greater strength; being able lift heavier objects, leap greater distances, and cause localized earthquakes like his brother.
I wonder just how powerful would Dumah have been if his evolution wasn't interrupted
Your videos are amazing. I will always love this game and it's lore beyond any others.
Thank you the video. LoK is a true masterclass in how to write an emotional, nuanced plot.
Maybe the reason why there were so few wraiths around Dumah's fortress is because he would hunt them down from his throne room.
He would devour his own kin ? Then again, there is a theory claiming Zephon ate some of his own children, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised.
Thanks for these man, little nuggets of joy on a bad day.
Just wanted you to know how much I love your videos on the legacy of kain series. It’s unfortunate that the game series died out long ago, in my mind there is lots of potential for this game to carry on into modern times on modern consoles but I guess it’s a relic of the past. I watch every video you make about these characters etc.
thank you for taking the time to put these videos together. I think they’re very good quality and very entertaining
I remember that this battle unnerved me as well when I first played this. You don't expect a boss battle to become a chase sequence.
OMG the nostalgia!@#@! You guys too? I didnt know so many people were still talking about this game, thats so cool. They ever gonna come out with a remake?