Breakthrough vs NiSi: Worlds Best Neutral Density Filters?

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  • @Sondercreative
    @Sondercreative  7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

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  • @HR-wd6cw
    @HR-wd6cw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The one thing to consider is that the light leak likely wouldn't be a problem if you used the round ND filters, so I don't really consider that to be a significant issue except if you choose to use a square filter system, but light leaks are concerns (and in some cases, problems) with many square filter systems, especially if they don't employ a type of "hood" design that blocks light leaking from all sides. Personally, I've gone with round filters... the downside is that you have to have the correct size for your lens (although depending on the lens hood for the lens, you can usually go up by bout 5mm without any issues). The primary advantage of square filter systems is you can buy one filter system and a bunch of adapter rings (which are much cheaper, like $10-$20) versus filters for each filter thread size you have.
    One other thing to keep in mind is that some filters may in fact stop more light than they are advertised. There are some good tests out there that show in some cases, with some filters, a 10-stop may in fact stop more like 10.5 or even 11-stops of light (rarely is it less light, it's usually more, and likely because of the extra coatings on the filter) so that's something to be aware of.

  • @HR-wd6cw
    @HR-wd6cw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would be interesting if you could compare both Breakthrough and Nisi, but their round screw-in filters. Because I think that would solve some/all of the light-leak problems as you'd be able to use the lens hood as well with the filters. I think using round filters might tell a slightly different story.

  • @diatomsaus
    @diatomsaus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The breakthrough x100 holder is kind of bad, light leaks will definitely happen when using a GND, apparently. People recommend the Benro HF100 which is said to be completely compatible with breakthrough glass.

  • @ExploringWorldYouTube
    @ExploringWorldYouTube 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I need to ask a further question please. You have a lot of filter experience. I have the VND SLR Magic Reflex 62 mm filter, but it doesn't satisfy me and I would like to buy a new VND filter for my GH6 + Leica 12-60mm. Many guys are extremely happy with the VND SLR Magic Reflex, but I am not. Can you recommend a very good VND filter please? I don't know if the Nisi is better than my VND SLR Magic Reflex because there are no comparison tests. Thanks for your advice.

  • @problemat1que
    @problemat1que 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    10 stops up from 1/30th of a second is 34 seconds - factor of 2^10 = 1024.

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      problemat1que its negligible and in practice most calculators suggest 30 seconds. Having said that fair point.

  • @mhsvz6735
    @mhsvz6735 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you. Just purchased the Breakthrough 15 stop ND filter. Look forward to using it soon.

  • @technodronesogxl9783
    @technodronesogxl9783 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the Nisi filters a True color filter or just a regular polarizer. 🤔

  • @alexrybin3798
    @alexrybin3798 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really cool comparisons. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.

  • @michaelbrown-ps8bu
    @michaelbrown-ps8bu 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well done comparison. I use the Breakthrough 10-stop and B+W filters for other stops. I will give further consideration to NiSi in the future. I did not get the sense that you favored either the Breakthrough or NiSi filters and thought you provided a well balanced comparison. Like all such comparisons, there is an assumption that there is no manufacturing variability from one filter to the next of the same type and that may not be the case. While I appreciated the outdoor scenes I've always found them to have variables that are difficult to control, therefore I prefer seeing the images taken under more controlled conditions and for those images I would like to see a sharpness test in addition to the color test.
    With regards to using the color card, it would have been useful to have identified the RGB values of 3 or 4 color patches with and without the filters. You should assume that the color shifts you saw on your monitor will not be accurately displayed upon recording, processing and compressing the video.

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      michael brown thank you so much for watching really appreciate the comment. I have to agree with you I didn’t anticipate how much of a difference the video and TH-cam would make to the colours. Something for next time then.
      I have provided a link to the images so I hope that is useful.

  • @markmcinnes2821
    @markmcinnes2821 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, have you done any comparisons with the H&Y magnetic filter kit? I'm interested in it, but not sure on the quality of the Polariser in their setup.

  • @jackhoyer7467
    @jackhoyer7467 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting well done video! This is off topic, but I’d love to have your thoughts on protective lenses either clear or uv. Do you use them? Do you know any that have a minimal effect on the resulting images? It seems that some of the protective lens lens coatings that combat reflections also increase contrast and color saturation, effects that I’d like to avoid or minimize. The Breakthrough X4 UV is one protective lens I’ve considering along with others by Heliopan, and Zeiss.

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wrote a whole article about UV filters after having detailed discussions with several manufacturers. UV filters are not designed to protect against anything except minor abrasions, dust and particles.
      They offer no protection of any kind against impact damage. Tests have been done and manufacturers have confirmed this too.
      I don't personally use them.
      Thank you for watching really appreciate the kind words :).
      petapixel.com/2020/05/13/manufacturers-confirm-uv-filters-are-not-designed-to-protect-your-lenses/

    • @jackhoyer7467
      @jackhoyer7467 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sondercreative Thanks very much, Usman. Interesting article I still have some worries about scratches/abrasion, but am leaning towards going the no protective lens route. I’ll be taking my new FF gf lenses out into remote nature, but with some care, and maybe that insurance you mentioned will probably be fine - and no image degradation to worry about! Cheers, Jack

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jackhoyer7467 Lens caps and lens hood go a long way to help prevent scratches. GF lenses are amazing so yes a UV filter will likely affect the image quality for those kinds of lenses.

    • @jackhoyer7467
      @jackhoyer7467 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sondercreative Yes, hoods and caps for sure. I look forward to using the gf lenses soon. Thanks so much for your great counsel!

  • @RobKhat007
    @RobKhat007 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the review! Suprirsed that there aren't more in-depth videos or articles on Breakthrough Photography. They're out with the magnetic holders for their circular and x100 holders. Waiting to see what the x150 holder looks like to see if I can just use 1 holder to cover my Sony lenses that go from 12-24mm to 70-200mm.

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rob K it’s pleasure thank you for watching.
      Their magnetic holders look properly interesting to me I’ll see if I can get hold of some to review.

  • @markharris5771
    @markharris5771 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    That seemed a very fair and objective comparison. I really like the Breakthrough cases and holder but for sharpness and brightness it seems to be Nisi, unfortunately though Nisi are very much like the standard Cokin and have a reputation for scratching easily. I don’t know if you’ve tried them but Im very pleased with the Formatt Hitech Firestone filters and I have a couple of the Cokin Nuance filters and I've had zero colour colour cast from them (unlike the standard Cokin). Great video, a definite subscribe.

  • @outdoorphotographyschool7366
    @outdoorphotographyschool7366 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very helpful - I've been debating these two systems. Thank you for your review!

  • @MarkRomine
    @MarkRomine 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The smearing in the corners of the Breakthrough filters is a serious problem (in my opinion) that would keep me from purchasing them. Thanks for revealing that. You also demonstrated that the Breakthrough filters are not as sharpe as the NiSi filters and you tried to minimize or gloss over that fact by saying you can add more sharpening. Software sharpening degrades an image and I would prefer to do as little as possible. Even though the NiSi filters have an ever so sight color shift to them I would favor adjusting the color balance of an image over sharpening them everyday of the week. Once you know how much to adjust the color balance you can simply add that amount as an adjustment in LR upon ingesting the images.

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The sharpness vs colour issue is more of a personal opinion though. I wasn't trying to gloss over it cause I do call out breakthrough for trying to claim that they're the sharpest filters on the market. I then simply discuss what I value more and what I think is more useful to my workflow. In real world use as I demonstrate they're very close in terms of sharpness and detail.
      In any case after testing a bunch of filters from a bunch of manufacturers, I've found that Wine Country are quite possibly the best on the market. They have best of both regarding sharpness and colour neutrality. Also due to the vault system light leaks are not an issue with Wine Country. You should check them out.

    • @thomastuorto9929
      @thomastuorto9929 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sondercreative Glad to read this comment & reply as I am seriously thinking of purchasing the WCC for the Nikon 14-24 lens. Excellent !!!

  • @namthainam
    @namthainam 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am not very familiar with filter holders. What about the light leak? Does not seem like something easily solved in post. Did you have a solution that made the lightleak difference moot?

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nam Thai unfortunately the breakthrough filters currently produce more light leaks, however, without getting into too much detail I’ve heard they are working on something that would fix it properly.

  • @RC1125
    @RC1125 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does Breakthrough compare on durability. Seen quite a few reviews on the NISI filters stating they scratch easily. Any idea if Breakthrough filters can be used in NISI holder and vice versa

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ryan Cullen breakthrough are definitely more durable, although scratches don’t cause any major issues.
      Both filters can be used in almost all 100mm holder systems so yes will work with each other.

  • @davesemmens9496
    @davesemmens9496 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would be interested in seeing Hitech Firecrest compared as well.

    • @PaulFanMing
      @PaulFanMing 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hitech Firecrest claims they have none color cast, likes to know would it be true.

    • @simonbarker980
      @simonbarker980 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately not, they're better the Lee stoppers but that isn't saying much.

  • @lijinping
    @lijinping 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    i think i prefer the photo using nisi filter. and the so called exposer difference could be because(or at least affected) you took it with nisi first and the ambience light got darker when you took picture with breakthrough filter

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The exposure differences were there in controlled shoots too but it could also mean that breakthrough are understating their NDs which isn’t ideal.
      Both filter sets are brilliant so I don’t think you can go wrong with either.

  • @sumitaggarwal4788
    @sumitaggarwal4788 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    how do breakthrough compare with the WInecountry blackstone circular nd filters?

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sumit Aggarwal I haven’t tried any circular ND filters from either company however, Wine country do have much better Square filters.
      The 100mm filters from wine country are the best I’ve used so far and I’ve used a whole bunch of different filters from lots of companies.

  • @sebastiang7183
    @sebastiang7183 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are the nisi square filters light leak free in the breakthrough x100 holder?

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't think they are because the filter wasn't the issue, it was the holder itself.

    • @sebastiang7183
      @sebastiang7183 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sondercreative What was the issue with the holder itself? It looks like any other holder in this category. The holder is flat with adapter rings and the 100mm square filter has a gasket of some sort. Where are the light leaks coming from?

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@sebastiang7183 the light leaks were coming from the side of the holder. The breakthrough filters in the NiSi holder would perform better but not the other way round.

    • @sebastiang7183
      @sebastiang7183 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sondercreative Thanks for the feedback. I got this holder as part of a purchase. Hopefully it doesn’t end up a source of frustration. I might have to make a custom seal if it comes down to it.

  • @uraees
    @uraees 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey man, quick question; I do have 2 100X150 mm Lee filters, Can I use them if I buy Nisi Filter Holder ?

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m pretty certain you can. The holder sizes are mostly all the same.

  • @TheGregWallace
    @TheGregWallace 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you use the X2 or X4 filter from breakthrough ?

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      This was the X4 system

    • @HR-wd6cw
      @HR-wd6cw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sondercreative The X4's generally result in darker results, the X2 not as much, but the X2 also has fewer coatings which may be part of the reason. If people shoot in RAW, color shifts are not as big of a deal especially if you use a grey card in a reference shot.

  • @NenadJakovljevic_photography
    @NenadJakovljevic_photography 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very helpful video, than you. I have Lee filter holder and my short question for anyone willing to answer is - can I use Nisi ND wiht Lee Foundation kit filter holder? (100mm) Thank you :)

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m not a 100% certain but if I’m not mistaken there should be no problem using any 100mm square filter in any 100mm holder.

    • @saintmovies7735
      @saintmovies7735 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sonder Creative Not exactly, the Schneider 100mm are thicker, and you have to remove one of the filter slots on the Lee for it to fit.

  • @flexmtb
    @flexmtb 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much sir. Great video!Answered many of my questions in regards to Breakthrough Photography’s products.

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      AH Imaging I’m very glad you found my video helpful thank you very much for watching.

  • @CommeDesDoni
    @CommeDesDoni 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you fit Breakthrough square filters in to Nisi filter holder system?

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Donico Espinosa yes you can :-)

    • @CommeDesDoni
      @CommeDesDoni 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for replying! Appreciate it.

    • @CommeDesDoni
      @CommeDesDoni 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, is the CPL built in to the filter holder? Or you can take off the CPL filter?

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      it's used as part of the holder but you can remove it.

  • @sheenchanted-youtube4168
    @sheenchanted-youtube4168 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another amazing video.....looking forward to your next one. 👍

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's really kind of you to say thank you very much.

  • @pcwallybower
    @pcwallybower 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed your review, Cheers!

  • @zZola_Photography
    @zZola_Photography 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These type of comparisons i think are the most valuable type of review! Keep it up. I normally shoot through Breakthrough Circular filters (and love them) but I just bought the NiSi 150mm filter holder because NiSi is the only one whom makes a 150mm with an attachment for my Sigma Art 14mm 1.8 and I was trying to decide if I should go with NiSi for my square filters or breakthrough. So this was EXACTLY what I needed to see. Thank you again!

    • @b3lievenhopephotography578
      @b3lievenhopephotography578 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      how are you liking it? Im thinking of getting it for the Sigma art 14mm 1.8 too but currently only had the breakthrough screw on the lens filters (ND and CPL) for the 24-70 2.8..Should I grab it?

    • @zZola_Photography
      @zZola_Photography 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@b3lievenhopephotography578 soo i was using breakthrough glass on the nisi filter. But i did really like the nisi cpl so if that is any example i love their glass ... the 150mm glass+holder just proved to be too cumbersome for my style of photography. I like to hike/bike etc to spots so space matters a bunch. I sold the filter holder and glass and ive actually sold that lens to tho i loved it (i moved into the nikon z mount and i have the 20mm/f1.8(77mm screw on) and the 14-30mm/f4(82mm screw on) and will get the 14-24/2.8(113mm screw on) in the future) All my screw on filters now are kase and breakthrough magnetic filters. Mag filters are game changers!

    • @b3lievenhopephotography578
      @b3lievenhopephotography578 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zZola_Photography wow yeah I have the z6 ii and was looking go get that 20mm!. But also still have my d850 and a bunch of f mount lenses.but I might have to go the route your going too..especially since I'm getting more into video too on the side and no filters are a must for daytime shots. But yeah I have the 35 and 85z lenses but man that 20mm looks so good also where did you find the magnetic breakthroughs? Their site seems to not have them yet?

    • @zZola_Photography
      @zZola_Photography 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@b3lievenhopephotography578 I think the z9 is going to cause a huge off sell of fmount gear so I was worried the older gear is gonna plummet in price so I sold all my fmount it one shot with mpb(highly recommend) and used it towards a z9 preorder and a few lenses... I haven't gotten to shoot with the 20mm yet (I'm waiting for the new body and just picked up the 20mm on holiday special) but everything I know of it is amazing. I have had my mag breakthroughs for a while It seems like they completely discontinued the line until the Gen 2.0 come out (which is on hold due to complications in the drop in filter project they are working on. Its a really small company). Kase makes a really compact and true color mag set. (if i remember right when I tested em side by side breakthought NDs are a touch cooler in color but not magenta or other weird colors in either filter)

    • @b3lievenhopephotography578
      @b3lievenhopephotography578 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zZola_Photography cool man thanks for that info! Yeah I saw a couple vids on kase and it looks like the route I'm going to. Do I need different adapter sizes for diff lenses though? I'll have to look more into em..I'm fairly new at all these filters only had the breakthrough screw on ones for the past 3 years and never looked since.. thanks man!

  • @TheophilusEmmanuel
    @TheophilusEmmanuel 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent content! Thank you!

  • @1870Bigman
    @1870Bigman 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you endorsed by breakthrough?

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I point out good and bad on both sides show that breakthrough filters are not the sharpest in the world and you think I’m endorsed by them, seriously?
      You know breakthrough were annoyed by this review and nisi shared it on all of their socials lol.

    • @diatomsaus
      @diatomsaus 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Breakthrough doesn't buy reviewers, Nisi and Polarpro do however, so it's a no.

  • @MrDadolo76
    @MrDadolo76 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bt 4x uv pro Vs nisi pro hub ht?

  • @PaulFanMing
    @PaulFanMing 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You didn't mention the price different, it affect our discision.

    • @mavfan1
      @mavfan1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      information available with search on any major camera store website or simply a google search

  • @a.m.creativ
    @a.m.creativ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I can't help but feel like this is sponsored or influenced by Breakthrough some how. You aren't being 100% transparent. Even in your examples, I can clearly see the NiSi looks most like your control image and the Breakthrough has a colour shift. I use NiSi filters and have 100% zero colour shifts, which is why I dumped Formatt-Hitech and Lee filters. I am not a NiSi ambassador or affiliated in any way.

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Adam Correia breakthrough filters have less colour shift and NiSi filters are sharper with more colour shift.
      This isn’t sponsored because I got filters for free from both companies. If it were sponsored by breakthrough I doubt NiSi would be happy sending me filters for this comparison. Also if you check Facebook you’ll see how much NiSi are sharing my video on their pages both U.K. and head office.

    • @nageshwagh2476
      @nageshwagh2476 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely his approach in the review feels more like sponsored. In other video he shatters two filter to show what break through claim. Definitely not transperant.

    • @nageshwagh2476
      @nageshwagh2476 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      BillXCIII have seen him a lot of times doing such things where he isnt transperant. Thats why you have to watch multiple reviews to come on decision cannot trust youtube sources.

    • @shaolin95
      @shaolin95 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You make ZERO sense... only the fanboy opinion defensive of your purchase.
      Why in the world will he say the Nisi is sharper if he is sponsored by Breakthrough???!!!! Are you serious?
      Some people only believe things if they aligned with their own biased opinions..otherwise it must be wrong.

    • @aussie8114
      @aussie8114 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was a very good review. How much better do you want.

  • @tibormezey
    @tibormezey 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How can any photographer say that color is more important than sharpness. Color is much easier to correct and less damaging to the image. NiSi filters are all made of the highest quality lens grade optical glass. The reviewer obviously has some kind of conflict of interest here. I do not believe this to be an honest review.

  • @AndySomething
    @AndySomething 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!! New sub! :)

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Andy Mckay thank you so much man really appreciate the support.

    • @AndySomething
      @AndySomething 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sondercreative You're welcome dude! Just finished watching your ND vs stacking vid - so i'm definitely going to get one. Would you recommend a screw on filter or a holder that you place the filter into? I'm thinking go for screw on but the biggest size possible and use step up filters to fit the lenses I have?

  • @joeyzhao465
    @joeyzhao465 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    wait a moment, is that leeds???

  • @ytano5782
    @ytano5782 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Talking about neutral colors without color calibration is garbage. Who needs zero color shift, if the picture is edited for personal taste?

    • @Sondercreative
      @Sondercreative  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Of course, my monitors are calibrated and I use tools like a colour Checker Digital SG. Having a colour shift is not personal taste, it's a flaw. Editing your images to personal taste is a very different thing to having flaws in the initial image.
      Next you'll be saying digital noise in an image doesn't matter if you're going to edit your images for personal taste.

  • @sigsegv111
    @sigsegv111 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    325 NiSi users : 55 Breakthrough users == NiSi wins :)