Ballasting and spilled coal on our large scale indoor-outdoor Garden Railroad
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ธ.ค. 2020
- We've been working on the railroad. This week adding ballast inside and outside. The "ballast" inside is on the coal loading ramp on the Chama coaling tower in 1:20.3 scale.
Outside we are testing an idea Karyn came up with, using clay cat litter on the loose. We are testing a section to see how it holds up but so far, looks GREAT and easy to remove or add to. Next spring we will see how it did under all that Utah snow.
NOW, inside we are mostly working on the huge model of the Chama coaling tower. In 1:20.3 the structure comes in at one meter tall! We showed the process of making the rusty tin roofing panels a few weeks ago.
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Karyn constructed the concrete retaining walls and coal bin and I built the steel coal grates for the non-functioning loading ramp. And we are now ready to ballast the short track. Not really ballast, the track is covered with spilled coal, as is the area around the base of the building. I have constructed a wood base, and now we are detailing and scenicing with real coal Karyn "lifted" from the coal pile at the Durango shops on the Durango and Silverton narrow gauge railroad.
Here again, we are testing a product called "yellow Dextrin", a type of cornstarch used in making glues. In the past, I have used it to ballast my old "N" scale model railroad. But the product I had been using was pulled off the market in about 1980. So I have been using the "old" system of misting water (with a tiny amount of dish soap added) to the ballasted track and then adding 4:1 dilute white glue from a dropper. This works great, however, a few weeks ago when we were making the dirt road grade crossing it proved to not be a great system for gluing fine powders like dirt and cinders.
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And so I have been looking for that old product, which turned out to be yellow Dextrin. So we tested that with cinders from the Evanston Wyoming roundhouse, "squirrel dirt" fine dirt dug up by ground squirrels, Woodland Scenics ballast, and our chunks of coal. While not great on the chunks it worked GREAT with dirt and cinders. Except it dries glossy and will look better after a dull coat. Overall a great product to add to our "bag of tricks". - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
I like the parakeet in the background 😄
Sunny. He’s noisy
I look forward to your future spring time video, "kitty presents on the right-of-way!" Jk, another great video! I'm really glad you take the pandemic seriously, and are staying safe. We need you both healthy for the next couple decades of great videos!
Looks great. For getting the “corn starch” to stick to larger particles maybe you could try the old shake n bake approach-combine the ingredients in a bag and shake. For a dull coat replacement try heading to the art store instead of the hobby shop. You may find a number of alternatives from spray varnish to fixatives. The products are geared to being applied to more delicate materials and sensitivity to surface disruptions and visual quality are paramount.
Yes, I used some Liquitex mat spray for fixing trees (no Testor on this side of the pond), and it worked fine. The only issue was the spay cap being obstructed after a few months, but I have the issue with other rattle cans, even after releasing gas head down to clear the cap.
When I was in my teens I built construction dioramas. I experimented with rail road modeling stuff but couldn't get the tire tracks right, or ruts. I tried glue on dirt and sawdust, even dirt. But the stuff I ended up using was clay ground fine. It would harden up quite well, and if it was wrong, pry it up, regrind it and start over which I did a number of times. Sadly, raccoons got hold of and destroyed while it resided in the attic. I built a model truck chassis to just roll through it with a brick on the frame. I used a fixatif spray like used on drawings in the old days to keep things stuff down. Then I planted an appropriately muddied International Transtar truck with rust and bare metal and just generally worked to death as the theme of the project. I think the judges were torn between the mud and the truck. I enjoyed telling them it was real mud. I still have the truck. Baffled what to do with it tho.
Well if you ever get back into that try Celluclay. It’s just really great for doing what you were doing other than the fact of the color is completely wrong. But that just means you can paint it and make it look really the way you want!
Looks fantastic . Have a good Sunday
You too. Stay safe!
Karen,
Your a woman after my heart finding that item at the Dollar Store !!
I !I've the Dollar Store I've found a lot of things to use on my layout from there. Dale sprinkle a little cement on your outside ballast when it dries from the snow there and it won't go anywhere.
I did that on my old railroad. Worked well! But in this case as its up on benchwork Ive added a lip to hold ballest from falling off, mostly, and my plan is keep it loose and just fix and adjust as needed. Soooo simple to jusr brush around. Time will tell. So far so good.
Wow looks fantastic
What an earthy fantastic video! Love it!
Glad yall are staying safe! Great work on the layout!
Putting up bench work for the last couple of days. I’ll explain why on Sunday! Mostly because there was a giant pile of wood in the way you only have to get it out of there
Coming along nice. Thanks for sharing.
thanks for watching
Even though it's non-clumping, I still think the clay will absorb and hold moisture too long. Plus it expands a lot when wetted.. Even if it doesn't turn into mush, it could keep your layout wet underneath and cause damage. Keep an eye on it regularly. Fingers crossed.
Great how to demo!
Looks fantastic and some great ideas !!
thanks we will follow up on the dull coat.
@@ToyManTelevision I am working on a Re-issue of the Hunchback of Norte Dame. Just got done body filling and priming for painting.
Mike
I've used that celluclay on almost all of my model tanks , trucks and jeeps .
I've also used it to make the old waddle and dowel type buildings for farm houses and cottages .
And plans to start larger buildings for the outside layout for both trains but also R /C Tanks and vehicles as a Euro village WW - 2 aera .
Instead of dull coat, have you tried flat clear spray paint? I use it on outdoor Halloween tombstones to weatherproof everything after painting and aging. I use the cheapest I can find from Home Depot/Lowe’s.
Yup. Going to bag a can and try it.
Looks great!
thanks!!
Your progress is really coming along nicely. You are going to have a beautiful layout.
Very Very cool, looking sharp
Rust-Oleum 302151 Dead Flat Clear on Amazon - it has a VERY soft spray.
Hi Toyman, Rob Spangler uses a product by Treehouse Studios that he says dries dead flat. It is available at Hobby Lobby in their spray paint section. I tried using clumping cat litter for ore loads with ok results. It looked good dry but wet it shrunk and pulled away from the edges of the car. I have some charcoal I use in my hoppers for coal loads I got it from the floral section at a grocery store I worked at years ago. Nice work on the railroad. Thanks for sharing!
It’s a dirty job. Thx again.
Some good effects there... that dextrin is good for a wet mud look.I am also looking for a brush on clear flat coat.For spray I use Rustoleum Chalked.My last walk in the pine forest I picked up some pine cones,bark,needles,and rotting wood which has a bright yellow ochre colour.Free material that can be ground up or mixed in various ways.I use this for my Austrian mountain logging line.River sand is also good,beach sand will have salt.Yes,check out the bargain shops,a lot of things can be re-purposed.Happy hunting!
Excellent job even with that shine , you guys can surely fix it .
Yup. Jut need to find the right product.
I'd try using a lacquer sanding sealer for a dull coat.. you can thin it down with lacquer thinner, and try spraying it on with a small sprayer.. just an idea... I use this stuff every day where I work as a cabinet finisher..
Your rr looks amazing. I love everything about your videos. I have learned so much. Both of you very intelligent people have great ideas with instructions on what to do and what not to do. You guys are awesome. ❣️
I keep hereing the Parrot squawking in the background
Dale, Yeet another great and entertaining video. Watch you on Tuesday. Try to keep that screwin around to a minimium.
Naw... Max screw'en around!
@@ToyManTelevision What was I thinking! Keep your stick on the ice.
Looks great!! If you were going for mud it looks great too! Have a Merry Christmas 🎄 😇
Pretty cool!
Amazon has 4 packs of Testors dullcote. Also, one of these days you should introduce us to your talkative avian family member. They are practically the unofficial 3rd narrator of your videos.
Dale, try some Rustoleum or Krylon Clear Matte. And the RR is looking ....well, "swell" (as I think the era would have used). 😉 ...Claude
It’s a pip! Now there’s a dead expression! Thanks. Trying that paint today!
@@ToyManTelevision It's also the "bee's knees"!
You can put the coal, ballast, dirt etc in a plastic container together with some yellow dextrin and shake it. Maybe then it gets evenly coated
Will test. Bet it’s great!
Good Show. Was that Budgies I heard in the background. I have a Hahn's macaw and a sun conure. I really like your coaling tower and all details you made for it. Mod podge duel works great fot this kinds of stuff, mix it like you do with PVA or thinner gives a flat look ans cleans up easy.
Ive used the glossy one for water. Ill give it a try. Thanks! YUP! Thats Sky and Sunny. Sunny is very.... well.... sunny!
*SQUIRREL DIRT HAS ENTER3D THE CHAT*
A new modeling system
You might try adding some dish washing detergent it acts as a wetting agent it worked well on my N scale with fine sawdust as ballast 😀😀😀👍👍👍👏👏👏👏❤️
Very good ballast and dirt vidio, great ideas... I've been experimenting with Polymeric sand/gravel mix for sweeping into paver cracks, the product produce's a very realistic ballist in several colors, in 0 gauge. It will harden up but is still moveable if needed, works great...
Ill look.
Reminds me of those old branch lines that Santa Fe had where they had the old black and deep red pumice cinder ballast.
You may want to stop at your Ace Hardware and look at the spray-paint. I think it was Rust-oleum that had a satin and flat clear coat topcoat.
I wonder what granite fines would look like for outdoor ballast? Being triangular it would lock together and be less likely to blow away. Also being granite, it's nature is heavier than kitty litter. You would have to obtain the really fine stuff. It's amazing as real life road ballast and locks the larger pieces together.
Used that on my old railroad! On the ground. Worked well. But sort of hard to get. I borrowed a truck! Anyway this is great, in bags at Walmart!
In regards to Testers paints
It's still available
But they are in the process of changing the paint formula from Oil base to acrylic .
Some of the acrylic is working it's way to the hobby shops .
Right there in Utah is M R S trains look them up not too far from you he may still have some of the paints .
Doug has supplied me with other brands of paints along with a few model kits .
Give him a call or go checkout the shop .
PS
In the past when I was building trees I used the hairspray Aqua Net . It's pretty good at keeping everything together and drys clear flat .
Tamiya has a clear flat spray, might be worth a try
I use krylon clear matte varnish and it works great
I haven't tried them, but I know that companies like Krylon make flat clear finishes. Also you could try artists' matte acrylic medium (which runs about a dollar per fluid oz on Amazon) though some dry flat and some satin, so you might have to do some testing.
I have a cool Christmas idea. How about you have people send in videos of there trains under the Christmas tree and you can put them in a video you can talk about. There must be a lot of cool Christmas layouts out there.
Hey Dale, Scalecoat flat finish is dead flat. I'm not sure if it comes in spray cans but, if you don't mind firing up the airbrush it might work.
Sounds like Karyn & Dale have some parakeets?
After buying them a few years ago, Rust-oleum is pretty much killing off their Testor's enamel line.
Id watch luke town for some ideas on model making tips he dose alot with fine dirt and dust
Rustoleum now owns all of the testors brands and they are getting rid of all of them.How sad! Buy up what you can find and look for a replacement. I heard on an other video live chat the new rumor is they might still make dull-cote and gloss-cote because of such a high demand.Guess we wait and see. I love your work,humor and go Rat Fink!!
I’m naming my rock band “Squirrel Dirt”!!
If you do metal perhaps “toxic squirrel dirt”
@@ToyManTelevision no thats Acid Rock
Over time, as dust accumulates on the coal or other substances, this will tend to take away the sheen. You might not have to worry about the sheen.
I’m going to test the product I just found so and see if it works. The best thing I can find is a matt coating. There is a flat clear that’s supposed to be used for making black boards! Comes available in black green and clear.
Dale, please use the crushed rock they sell at lowes,home depot,for leveling out paver stones its not high priced and it looks great and will be in your scale.Please don't use cat litter outside it will get mushy under that snow and you will hate the mess. 20 years ago I got some really great looking cat litter and tried it on a test track and stopped when my cat would not stop jumping up and smelling it. I was basically baiting it.Heres your litter but don't pee here.Did you ever find suprises in your sand box as a child.H
Alcohol works best for wetting fine dirt! I don’t use water and soap anymore just bottles of rubbing alcohol
AND its back. Mostly. That and TP.
Although it smell like an old doctors office...
Its hard to get ipa now
I could tell you had budgies before you mentioned it on the video. I used to have budgies years ago
I have found Testors Dull Coat at Hobby Lobby in Layton. They told me that they keep it in stock as well as Masters.
Your layout looks so AWESOME! What scale is that? Stay safe and happy holidays!
I hope your outdoor "ballast" doesn't attract feline fly tippers - that would be a clump too far! ;-) Regarding you coal and cornstarch (and to a lesser extent Woodland Scenics ballast and cornstarch) mixes, have you tried putting them in a bag and shaking it up to get a more even coating before spreading it on the layout and adding soapy water? I think it would coat it better than "cement" mixing a pile with a brush.
Liquitex do a good matt acrylic varnish that, amongst probably many things, would unshine your squirrel dirt - there's a sentence I thought I'd never use!!! ;-)
Yup. Im thinking of keeping them in plastic jars. Like the ones nuts and stuff come in. All premixed and ready to go!. And we will be testing s bunch of flat stuff. Hum....... Now heres a sentence I thought Id never use... We are in search of the flat earth.
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Can you make a playlist of your Garden RR home build?
Hobby lobby still sells Testors Dullkote
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“Cat Litter” I can think of one or two problems with using cat litter out side, it’s “Cat Poo” on your tracks!!
Try scuffing over the shiny parts with a bright boy. I have seen that technic done from other modelers.
Neat! Could you put a thin layer of the regular diluted glue over the dextrin to flatten it?
Possably. Or matte medium? or?? Ive always used Testors for this. Im going to test some others. Tried Tamia. fair but not great. Next up Krylon.
try adding baby powder to water base clear i used to use it as a flattening agent in my paint when matching faded paint jobs on cars
Kitty litter outside will dissolve. it's just clay after all
I assume it well. This is just a test to see how this works but it’s so easy to redo
Have you considered using battery power for the large scale or anything else for that matter?
Tamiya has a flat coat
Thas whats on the building. SUPER good look on there, but not totally flat. MOre matte finish.
How is that sound board working out for your sub roadbed? I saw it at Lowe’s and thought that would be nicer to use than foam insulation board.
Hmm. When I finish college and get my own salary, ill cosider some of these techniques when I start my american oo layout.
American oo! Wow!
Does ballast (such as that clay you showed) ever ruined any engines of yours? I want to use ballast on my future o scale two rail outdoor railroad but I don’t know what to use, would there be something better for two rail O?
Hey Dale phil's cornstarch..humm did ya find some dull kote?
Yup. Online but geezzzz Its 5 to 6 bucks in the hobby shops. Sept they dont have any. 11 on Amazon. Free shippping.. FREE? Naw sound like 5 or 6 shipping to me! AND Id bag like 4 of em. Well found it on ebay for 5! 6 shipping. One guy has it for 20. Right..... Tried Tamiya. Really nice for models, but a slight sheen. Super nice matte finish but no good here. Im going to try Krylon. If it works I'll never look back. Or something else? I
@@ToyManTelevision Yah if krylon worked wouldn't that be great cuz we could get that @ a hand full of places,boy do I miss Douglas Models Dale is there any railroad hobby shops in the area anymore?
Yea if it had been clumping cat litter then... It'd have been really bad looking after the first rain.
Indeed! I had a cat, so I know about cat litter! All kinds, because cats are finicky by nature! On a serious note... I have found many uses for cheap non-clumping clay cat litter, other than putting it in a cat litter box. One use is to soak up motor oil and other automotive spills on cement. Another use is to weigh down outdoor planter boxes... Especially when planting fake plants, like the ones I use! I don't have a green thumb and have been known to kill the heartiest of silk flowers too! I figured... What the heck! Clay cat litter is inexpensive to use.. Why not try it for outdoor model railroad ballast?
Use mode podge matte
Testors is bought out .naturally the new owner is discontinued
The line...
It online for 10 to 20 bucks but good grief!
Wait WHAT?!
How about matte finish polyurethaning?👍✌️😊🙏🏼🚂🚂🚂🚂
Rustoleum bought Testors and Model Masters, and have discontinued the Model Masters Line. So far they have done nothing with Testors and none of the distributors can find Testors ClearCoat or DullCoat for 2-3 months now.
Yup. Its being scalped online for 15 to 20 bucks per can.
odd thing is... of years Testors address has been the same as Rustoleum. So they have been making the paints. But now they own it. So its the same paint. Only not available. Other odd fact! Craftsman and Snap-on are both made by western forge. I asked a guy there whats the difference. None he said. Different dies. Same steel and process. Well Snap-on does have much better support. For 5 times the money.
HEY! do you have discord?
What scale is this
Hi. It’s #1 gauge. 1:20.3 scale (f) mostly also 1:22.5 (G) scale and even 1/2 inch scale. The coaling tower is 1:20.3 scale. 1 meter tall.
@@ToyManTelevision wow thanks i would have only guessed g slace didn't know f scal was a thing are they compatible with each other or no ahh now have more questions
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