Mark Goldbridge brought up a good point. If it was a an average youth player for United who done this , then they would’ve been released immediately. However, because he was promising and is talented at football he has not been released already.
I’m glad he’s been so vocal because he has a large fanbase many of whom are impressionable kids. Viz & Niran have done a good job at covering it as well.
I've read the statement and I don't understand what is wrong with it? And don't get me wrong, Greenwood could never be excused as to why he did this if he did this but the statement was just a normal one?
I am a Man United fan. Thank you for this video. I am 100% with you. I don't want him anywhere near my team, and I will boo him wherever he goes. I feel disgusted and ashamed that this is my club :(
One thing I didn't say that I want to add. Not only is this utterly stupid and only will damage Man Utd's reputation and will bring ongoing abuse to the club and ruin the postive atmosphere. It also gives an awful example to kids in the academy that as long as you're good enough you can do whatever you want and still be accepted and pedestaled as a role model to people all over the world. It's utterly shameful that Manchester United have made such a simple decison to let him go so wrong. Give me your thoughts.
Anfield away he'll get ripped apart. Just so selfish from Manchester united and majority of fans won't even complain because its an extra attacker. Pathetic.
@@martykiely127 it’s already started, I was at United-Leeds as a neutral and the Leeds fans were chanting about him for half the train ride to the stadium
Ok let's get this straight. The moral failings of both Giggs and Rooney and being regarded as on the field legends has no bearing on Greenwood. He is a rapist and woman beater. I'm going to go as far as to say I personally hate Giggs and fail to see him in a positive light, whereas Rooney is just a prick who can't keep it in his pants but a legend regardless. There is a massive difference between cheating on your partner, and raping your partner.
I feel embarrassed and let down as a Manchester United fan the fans have not been consulted in the slightest on this as long as the sponsors don’t care the club don’t care what the fans think. If he were a crap player he’d have been dropped and playing National league football in the morning but because he has a monetary value ethics are forgotten disgusting.
brother use your brain, if you can listen to the audio and say this you are delusional. only reason he is walking free right now is because he is a baller. @@Shomerful
@@dominickjacob1 have you listened to all of it? No, you only heard a snippet. Whole audio recording is almost 15 minutes long. Have you heard of extreme role playing scenarios? Have you lot heard of fake accusations where the accused has to prove he is NOT guilty of crime? I heard about those cases a lot recently. The self-harm and posting on Insta accusing others is sadly starting to become very common thing among girls who seek easy wealth.
The statement reads like the club are dipping their toes in the water to gauge public reaction. You can bet their entire media team is vigilantly monitoring every form of social media right now to see what people will think if he did return. I hope they realise how awful it would be for him to return
Agreed. And they have already exposed themselves. "Erm....is it ok if let the rapist play on the wing?.... Yes yes we know but he was worth alot of money to us so maybe everyone could just kinda forget what happened please?"
Sadly it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, PR Team will present the feedback and the potential monetary value and his abilities as a footballer will tower over people's backlash and the owners won't care and play him eventually. The most heartbreaking thing is that if he performs, fans will forget about it, media will forget about his deeds... It'll be painful to see all of it for the sane folk.
The reality is that how disgusting man utd are for even considering allowing him to return. How out of touch they truly are. That CEO should seriously think as if it was his daughter that was beaten and forced to have sex with that scumbag. Would he sack him then? Man utd putting money before what is absolutely the right thing to do. Sack Him.
@@FunkyGhostHD they said the same about the super League "In the end money talks and fans will be ignored" Not if we proper kick off we won't. They dare not ignore us when we are surrounding the stadium threatening to rip up season tickets.
There's really nothing else I can add to what you said. except to concur completely. Seriously, thank you so much for speaking out. You and Niran have restored my faith in the football community.
I’m honestly disgusted every day on social media under every single United post there’s the freaks that find a way in their sick and twisted minds to defend Mason. It’s always this “give him a second chance” bullshit, he’s lucky to have a second chance in LIFE since he isn’t behind bars right now. His second chance should be trying to salvage any sort of morality he has left to try to fix himself as a person, not to have the privilege of playing again for one of the biggest clubs in the world after he’s already messed up time and time again. Such a disgraceful stain on our clubs history.
I cant believe it either and its being said that they are leaving the decision to the womens team which is crazy there hanging them out to dry and leaving them as scapegoats
I've been watching your content for at least a year or so. You've always remained impartial. So powerfull hearing you echoe the voice of sane and moral men.
this isnt impartial ..he's making a decision without knowing anything but some pics and a clip of audio ...thank god we live in a country where it takes a little more to be convicted of such a serious crime ...but as a man you should be a bit scared how easily a woman can destroy your life with a few pics and an audio clip which none of them prove in the slightest that a rape happened
@@minusdagreez8817I mean sure sometimes the women is faking it but I’m pretty sure that in this mason greenwood situation….. it’s pretty obvious that he is guilty
@@hamzasarodiya3359 prove its obvious then ...because the audio doesn't prove he is a rapist ..the bruises don't prove he is a rapist and the blood on her mouth doesn't prove he is a rapist ..in fact it doesn't really prove anything and no court in England would ever convict him on anything based on that evidence ..so again how is it "pretty obvious"
As a United Fan, I'm disgusted by the club's approach to this, and the minority of fans overjoyed of this decision. Really poor handling of a dreadful situation.
I agree 100 % but I don't think this is a United problem, and the statement sucks, but i think 99% of all clubs would have made the same choice, imagine it was TAA or Reece James liverpool or chelsea would never kick them out for this and that's just sad. I just hope he choose to leave on his own so us United fans won't have to watch him play cause it's really turning my stomach upside down.
@@lukaszwason5031 In terms of the 82 million strong Man Utd fan base a majority probably want him back, but it's the 2.6% of the fan base that live in the UK and buy almost all the tickets and attend the games that really matter here, and a big majority of them really don't want him back.
they don't understand football is not everything and people think yeah but when we are home it will be okay no it won't because not every united fan wants him and of course they go behind our back and make that decision this club is a mess i hear maguire is staying and now this wtf is going on.
@@nosymf Then fall ill please. The statement clearly mentions that the public have access to "partial" information while the club have done a thorough investigation. Do you really think that if EtH (whom I believe to be a moral man) would allow Greenwood to play if he knew that Greenwood would be a bad influence on the players? . I am NOT claiming that Greenwood is innocent or that those videos/audios are fake as some people are dumb enough to think. But WE are not in a situation to pass judicial sentences on a person's life and career based on some instagram videos. That's frontier justice and witch hunts where people were hanged without trial based on public opinion. These have no credence in a civilized society where "due process" exists. I will believe whatever the investigators, both police and united's own find out and say before I give a single ounce of credence to what the partially informed public are saying. If they think that he is guilty, then get rid of him. I am not stupid enough to think that I am above the judicial system and the police and pass a life altering sentence on a person on the basis of instagram posts and online audio recordings espcecially since the person is about to be a father and obviously will be living with the allegedly abused victim and raise a child together. If you don't want him to play, you better also demand some compensation for Hariett and her child so that they can have a semblance of normal life since they will not be granted those by the court as it has been made clear. Coming from a person who has been a hardcore fan for 20+ years since I was introduced to football.
Said this a thousand times but everyone who thinks he should stay should ask themselves "why would you stay with a girl who accused you of s assault if you were innocent" to me its to save face and getting her pregnant is a staple abuser tactic by making it harder for their victim to leave
Yes bro you’re so right, say this to people but they still argue even though they don’t know shit. I usually say this. I swear some people nowadays assume just because there were some fake victims everyone is fake. nah this channel is a disgrace and the fact you even questioned it is crazy. Because there has been many studies which concluded that victims of sexual assault tend to go back to the abuser about 7 times before they leave and leaving can sometimes be the most dangerous option. A DROPPED CASE BY A KEY WITNESS WITHDRAWAL DOESN’T EQUAL INNOCENT YOU IDIOT
Thank you Vizeh. I watched coverage on TUS and Sky TH-cam channels and felt sick at the amount of support in the comments MG was getting. It’s genuinely made me feel a lot lot better that I can hear the emotion in your voice displaying your disgust at this. It’s made me feel better about the human race again.
The hate Mark has got is ridiculous he's never said he wants greenwood to play for united if anything the opposite sending him out on loan is not the same as playing him
I appreciate you being so blunt with how you feel about this mate. It's refreshing after seeing so many idiots fail to realise why this just isn't on at all. Anything I have to say on the matter, you've already said.
@@Vizeh The statement clearly mentions that the public have access to "partial" information while the club have done a thorough investigation. Do you really think that if EtH (whom I believe to be a moral man) would allow Greenwood to play if he knew that Greenwood would be a bad influence on the players? . I am NOT claiming that Greenwood is innocent or that those videos/audios are fake as some people are dumb enough to think. But WE are not in a situation to pass judicial sentences on a person's life and career based on some instagram videos. That's frontier justice and witch hunts where people were hanged without trial based on public opinion. These have no credence in a civilized society where "due process" exists. I will believe whatever the investigators, both police and united's own find out and say before I give a single ounce of credence to what the partially informed public are saying. If they think that he is guilty, then get rid of him. I am not stupid enough to think that I am above the judicial system and the police and pass a life altering sentence on a person on the basis of instagram posts and online audio recordings espcecially since the person is about to be a father and obviously will be living with the allegedly abused victim and raise a child together. If you don't want him to play, you better also demand some compensation for Hariett and her child so that they can have a semblance of normal life since they will not be granted those by the court as it has been made clear.
If there's any silver lining, most of us want him loaned and sold. It's just a vocal minority that want him back. Anyone with a brain knows he can restart his career. Just not in the Premier league. His PL career is basically over.
Amber Heard accused Johnny deep of the same , if mason wasn't found guilty let him come back to the team but I'm not fully in depth with the case so can't say he guilty or not ..
Mark Goldbridge and Niran have made their thoughts on the issue clear too, to be fair. But I agree, it's good to see people calling United out on their bullshit, because this is fucked.
It is not only Manchester United. As a Juventus fan, it really worries my that the club looked into the option of loaning him. We are already a shady club for a lot of reasons, and now this puts our moral in doubt. It is really sad that football and society need to deal with this.
I’m also a juve fan and I was absolutely appalled and I know this sounds crazy but for a few weeks I tried to forget about it and I didn’t watch Juventus for probably 1 month or something.
Bang on mate! The same wank excuse of “well she forgave him so it’s all good” that we hear on Twitter is mind blowing. Makes you wonder if those who are pleading for his forgiveness would be as forgiving if it was their family member, or friend who was a victim of r*pe & domestic violence?
Umm first of all he hasn't raped so what evidence u using idk he was proven innocent in court look at Benjamin mendys example clowns like u deserve to be put in the jail not greenwood
Its sad that even now,8 months later fans are still asking for our "star boy" to come back. I want Greenwood to be separated from UTD permanently without any chance of him coming back
@@Bobbiez_editz I have not seen any evidince on her accepting the apology. And the point still stands, he ASSAULTED someone against their will. No coming back from that in my books
I don't like United at all, but try to separate the club from the people making the decisions as I'm sure many players feel disgusted by this and would hope he doesn't return to the team
@@haidrow4008 A lot of the players have said they’d be happy to have him back, the higher ups at the club are obviously supporting him. Ten Hag wants him back. I can’t support a team that supports people like Greenwood.
I swear some people nowadays assume just because there were some fake victims everyone is fake. Because there has been many studies which concluded that victims of sexual assault tend to go back to the abuser about 7 times before they leave and leaving can sometimes be the most dangerous option. A DROPPED CASE BY A KEY WITNESS WITHDRAWAL DOESN’T EQUAL INNOCENT.
Read the CPS statement. In addition to her withdrawing her co-operation, new evidence also emerged which cast further doubt on his guilt. Your type conveniently ignore this.
@@joekavanagh7171 tell me where that new evidence is from? And what do you mean my type? You idiot I’m usually really hard towards victims because they ruin lives but this situation is entirely different. And again where tf did you get that “new evidence” from.
Completely agree with what you have said. These randoms on social media need to think of how would it feel if this situation happened to: a friend, sister, mum, cousin, family member, loved one etc. Because surely they wouldn’t forgive the person and would feel angry and upset.
The justice system is completely corrupt lack of witnesses? There actual voice recordings, audio bottom line is mason greenwood is a monster and if he joins my club I would be absolutely disgusted.
I’m a united fan and I’m so disappointed with the club and pissed off that we’re actually letting him back. I didn’t think they would due to bad PR rather than the crime/morals… but the board/decision makers obviously don’t care about either since greenwood before did have value as, if this was an average player from the youth academy, they would be gone as they still see him as an asset. The whole situation is a mess…
This is even more serious now with a child. The partner May be suffering from a form of Stockholm syndrome. I mean the evidence that was available to the public was pretty damming, not the mention the “evidence that wasn’t available” according to the club. It makes me sick to the stomach that the club can just let him back like that. I mean at least with Joey Barton and Marlon King they actually went to prison.
I'm baffled how the police didn't do him for witness tampering. He allegedly breached bail conditions to contact her and had a child with her, making her testimony in court worthless because she isn't going to testify against the father of her child. I could of course be wrong but it looks like he's wielded his wealth and power to keep her with him and shut the case down.
I support greenwoods return from a sporting viewpoint. All i care about is football. I let the police and the club handle the off the field stuff. Just because I support his return doesnt mean i support crimes. I only care about football from a sporting element.
I clicked on the video so I knew what I was in for but 1. Greenwood is back with his gf so who are you defending? 2. Your making him unemployable 3. Leave football to football
The timing of this announcement is due to the squad numbers needing to be finalised before the transfer window closes on 2nd Sept, which makes it all the more sickening
The moment you say that you don't think Greenwood should stop playing football, the whole video is irrelevant. If he can still play football then why not Man Utd? I'm a Chelsea fan and I think there needs to be consequences. But if that consequence is not he stops playing football, then him playing at Man Utd as opposed to another club or even England should not matter
I dont think any of the people backing him are from england to be honest... im a united fan and im disgusted, he shouldnt play again he should be in prison
I’m a United fan for nearly 40 years and I agree with you 100 percent. I have always kept up with our youth teams, so was aware of Mason from a young age, the boy is a generational talent and I had very high hopes for him. The moment the audio & visuals came out, everything changed and I never wanted to see him in a United shirt again. For me it’s unforgivable behaviour, regardless of age or any mitigating circumstances. I was actually happy with the club for taking a moral high ground and immediately suspending him, unlike Arsenal who continued to play Partey, which is shameful. However, the meek, substance-less statement dropped today has undone any good the club had done up until now. I will say, from what I’ve seen online and on fan channels that the majority of fans who blindly support him are plastic, foreign fans who have never stepped foot in this country, mostly from cultures who have very different attitudes towards women. People can take that last statement however they want, it’s factual and I stand by it. Of course for balanced conversation sake, the flip side is the police dropped charges, his victim forgave him (or chose the money) she has birthed his child and there is an issue with statements like “other evidence has come to light” etc. That for me probably saves some form of career, yet as you rightly say it shouldn’t be for a club of United’s stature. I am still unsure of what they will ultimately decide, as the statement was so wishy-washy, I can only hope they will see sense and cut ties with him. I don’t use it as an excuse or opportunity to attack the Glazers but I can only speculate that another owner would of handled this much cleaner than they have. No matter what, myself and proper United fans do not want him playing for our club again, it’s that simple.
@@markolitvic6981 The statement clearly mentions that the public have access to "partial" information while the club have done a thorough investigation. Do you really think that if EtH (whom I believe to be a moral man) would allow Greenwood to play if he knew that Greenwood would be a bad influence on the players? . I am NOT claiming that Greenwood is innocent or that those videos/audios are fake as some people are dumb enough to think. But WE are not in a situation to pass judicial sentences on a person's life and career based on some instagram videos. That's frontier justice and witch hunts where people were hanged without trial based on public opinion. These have no credence in a civilized society where "due process" exists. I will believe whatever the investigators, both police and united's own find out and say before I give a single ounce of credence to what the partially informed public are saying. If they think that he is guilty, then get rid of him. I am not stupid enough to think that I am above the judicial system and the police and pass a life altering sentence on a person on the basis of instagram posts and online audio recordings espcecially since the person is about to be a father and obviously will be living with the allegedly abused victim and raise a child together. If you don't want him to play, you better also demand some compensation for Hariett and her child so that they can have a semblance of normal life since they will not be granted those by the court as it has been made clear.
@@joekavanagh7171except the fact that he strangely did not go to court and the case was dropped. Innocent until proven guilty only benefits the elites. It doesn’t exist in corrupt and unequal countries like Britain. The fact is he’s guilty and everyone knows it, even his supporters admit he did it at this point. They just don’t care
Bringing him back will be a disgrace and would cause problems for the club. It will divide the fan base and the dressing room and among others. She dropped the charges saving Greenwood from incarceration. I don't understand some people's argues saying the club shud give him a second chance. Keeping him out of the cell is the second chance isn't it?
The people on twitter are horrifying me with how much they think it’s normal truly terrible and the funny thing is these social media fans have not stepped a foot near old Trafford
@@Peter_filea lot of them as well likely to be impressionable young boys who will think this behaviour is acceptable. It's actively dangerous and can get people killed.
@@cristianoreddevil9736 there's no wokeness here. Everything is black and white here. Neither Greenwood nor MU deny those charges. Charges were dropped. He wasn't proven innocent. Victim went back to abuser because that's how abuse work if you don't know.
Innocent until proven guilty. It should not even be a question whether or not he can come back or not. It's the job of the justice system to decide who is and who is not guilty, not the club or people.
mate it’s been proven time and time again that people with privilege get away with horrific things and when there’s concrete proof of what he’s done there is nothing that can be said in his defence anymore. If there wasn’t such blatant proof your beliefs would make sense but jesus man
The courts do not decide everything. Once the case was dropped due to witnesses no longer wanting to testify, this became an internal club matter, in which they are allowed to take action. This case isn't (and shouldn't be) as simple as 'the case collapsed so he must be innocent, let's get him playing again'. It's not that cut and dry.
@@symptomofsoulsNot really. The photos and audio are damning enough. There are different levels of disciplinary action in the world, this isn't a matter of 'the case has collapsed so there's nothing we can do'
Aubameyang has disciplinary problems: Arsenal remove him from captaincy and sell him at next opportunity Greenwood has this incident: gets suspended for a year and potentially returns to the squad with no repercussions with ETH's blessing United are finished if this happens. Their players will know there are no consequences and then anything can happen.
Being a United supporter, that statement and the handling of this whole situation is absolutely sickening. Truly should never even hold the shirt again.
This will cause such a constant hostile atmosphere in the stands it will negatively go on to affect there results If he's involved in the squad There were warning signs in videos before this happened with him talking sx explicitly and filming it I guarantee it will be a decision Manchester United regrets He has brought the club into disrepute that alone is enough to terminate his contract
Think about how Manchester United handled Cristiano Ronaldo's Situation with the passing of his child where he recieved no support and was made as a scapegoat on his last season, then you see this Greenwood fiasco, this is such a shameful club
Innocent until proven guilty. Should he never be able to earn a living because of trial by court of public opinion? I’m a United fan and I don’t “feel sick”. There are bigger issues in life than who a football club employs
What happened to innocent until proven guilty? If there’s evidence of any dismissible behavior, then get rid of him immediately. Otherwise not. Period.
@@trungnguyen7827 Mason Greenwood doesn't have a video of him doing a crime tho does he? He has a video of him behaving like a fucking idiot, but that seems to be it. Or am i totally misunderstanding the video. Is there anything illegal going on in the audio?
Stop being childish. I dont want him to return but look at it like this. Him and his gf have moved on, theyre having a child, and majority of the United fanbase want him back. People who dont look at others views and call them 'idiots' or 'r*pist supporters' are just disgusting. You did not conduct the investigation and judged this based on partial evidence which was released to the public. You have to move on and live in the real world. And I wish the best for Mason, Harriet, and their child. I also hope the abuse towards Mason dies down after a bit.
Why do"some" Manchester fans hate Mason Greenwood so much? Did he killed someone. I really doubt if these anti-Greenwood are a true Manchester United fans, because forgiveness is not only Godly but also proper. Charges were dropped, so why are people yelling about Mason Greenwood's name? It's up to Manchester United's board and owners and I wish Greenwood returns to Old Trafford sooner than later.
@@Vizeh that's obvious mate, greenwood is far-worse but what giggs did was still disgusting, for a long time now under the glazers there's been no consequences for immoral acts
As far as I’m aware, he has had multiple cases against him, including imprisonment of his ex wife that was later dropped. He was a pretty despicable character.
The reason why people are defending Mason and backing United because United as a whole are extremely desperate to either get him playing or need to find someone who doesn’t care to buy him. Doesn’t surprise me that Man U did this, It’s been a sh*t show since the glazers took over. It’s a sick world man, sad Mason never got locked up.
He'll get two broken legs and he's going to gonna get booed and nobody is gonna respect him at all. The pressure will get them and he will be a terrible player. Simple as
I think if United´s owners weren´t the Glazers (who treat every aspect of the club like an asset) then he would be gone already. But unfortunately the Glazers look at him as an asset and won´t get rid of him. And we all know that big business men relinquish their morals in exchange for a good asset.
Well said, as a ''United'' fan I agree with you 100%. The people who celebrate the potential return of Greenwood sicken me to the core to be honest. I am at breaking point with the club I once loved, the ownership of this club has worn me out mentally already. This is the final straw for me now, I will be supporting my local team from now on, there has to be standards. I totally agree with you that the United should be the standard and if this is the standard they can keep it. Such a shame, the busby babes must be turning in their graves, disgusting actions from greedy fat cat owners who only want to line their pockets and have no moral compass or standards of their own. Edit: Also if enough fans feel the way I do they will lose millions in tickets sales and merchandising so this move makes no sense to me at all from a business or PR view.
@@Legend-zo9bc Honestly I wish that would happen, but at the end of the day it’s the premier league not Sunday league there’s too much on the line for any player to start trying to injure someone on the pitch
@@Peter_file and you are aswell believing everything you see and hear on social medias,especially in this day and age when everything is controleld by woke media and manipulated,literally could have been sexual roleplay or fantasies but the media turned it around
The worst part about all of it, is that they dragged the women's team through the mud. Leaving it up to their decision on whether he should comeback or not. They should know that these women will be abused online (as is currently happening) and sent horrific messages. But this club has never cared for it's women's side and only seen as a way to improve their PR and social image. IMO the women's team have a massive opportunity to step up and refuse to play for the club, as it is obvious that the club do not care for their safety or their input.
Id hope to think that Manchester United match day fans who go to Old Trafford will make their voices heard. The online fans are not the majority. Greenwood is scum, people forget he cheated on her before he did what he did. Fans of all clubs shouldn't use this to point score over United fans is bigger than that
Well football has never been about ethics, that part of the game was lost decades ago through it becoming into a business. The World Cup workers abuse and deaths of thousands is just the biggest one but there have been all sorts of other cases of all sorts of types throughout the years in all areas of the sports. Hell I recall hearing the situation of academy students being abused in Africa for years and FIFA and clubs just turning a blind eye. My point being that as fans we can’t really do much about the lack of consideration morality has had in the world of Football and more specifically those in charge regardless of ranking It’s just sad that us fans support the game only for these type of things going in the background. It’s a solemn/depressing feeling supporting my club with such rich and inspiring history only for them to pull off something like this.
His girlfriend literally forgave him and he never was proven guilty, nobody cares whether you, randoms on the internet, want him to play or not. People with no lives always have to find someone to hate, and they'll always find a moral justification to abuse them.
These haters do not care about the facts, evidence, reason and logic. We live in a Western world that thinks it's socially acceptable to falsely accuse someone of SA.
As a United fan, I'm used to my club making bad decisions but holy fuck was this the absolute pinnacle of that. EVERYONE heard the audio, everyone's seen the transcript. You cannot let someone like that play for your club again - especially because you're the biggest team in England (brand-wise). What does that say about your club? What does that say to all of your fans who've veen victims of abuse similar to that of hie partner? What does it say to other young academy talents? It makes me sick to know that that the club don't seem to care about the ethics of it, and only care about the money. You just know that if he wasn't this "star boy" talented youngster they'd have made the right decision and got rid of him months ago. They can't have thought about how this will affect the squad and the manager too, right? EVERY week there'll be meria questions about it (rightfully so), chants about the player, verbal abuse online and in person. And we know for a fact (because its been reported several times) that some people in the United dressing room wouldn't be comfortable having him back. Such an abhorrently shameful and badly thought out decision.
First of all. I am not a united fan. Secondly What Mason Greenwood did is Awful and his girlfriend should have left him and he should have been charged. But not because a person is a public figure does mean we should just condemn them and never give them a chance to redeem themselves. If People change their behavior and the victim is ok with them re-entering. Then who are we to just condemn this young man. I was a part of the football industry for 2 years I worked with the management team of a star player. He was physically abusive to his wife but the matter was handled in therapy and nothing was ever leaked to the press. A lot of people hail him as a hero still to this day. Don't be so quick to condemn and write people off. This is why we have rehabilitation.
When you think about it, why would Mason and her partner still be together if she faked the photos and audio? Also Utd said that they care about her, but the fact the decision has taken this long disproves that and is a disgrace in itself even if they sack him. I hope their female employees protest, I hope their women's team dissolves, costing millions. I hope the club gets ridiculed, lose reputation and supporters and ruins the club forever.
Liam - thank you for being straight, honest, and addressing something I (honestly) forgot about. It's crazy when the media silences a horrific asset, it takes someone like yourself to present that asset in the light he deserves to be: a monster.
Thank you. You speak for a lot of us. Glad to see there are some who have some basic human morals unlike the sickos on twitter. Subscribed to you. I'm a United fan and seriously questioning how I'm supposed to support the team when he is on the pitch.
They should have released him from his contract as soon as they could, anything other than absolute action sends the wrong message. We've all heard the recordings, there's no space for doubt.
You're the reason innocent men get publicly harassed and then lose their careers before and force of judiciary process. He's be cleared of all charges, that should be the end of it. Where you going after Mendy from day 1?
How can any Man United fan with mothers, sisters, nieces, daughters or goddaughters stomach this disgusting young man back, given the audio recordings of her saying ‘NO’ like it meant nothing to him, and treating her like a piece of meat, like his possession? How any of you can want him back just for a few points here or there. This club will scrape the gutter if it brings him back or places the decision on their women’s team because they are too gutless to make the decision themselves.
As a United fan, I really can't agree with you more. We're supposed to be setting the standards of this sport in this country. But I'd really like to bring people's attention to the fking Glazers and the Americans businessmen. They are destroying football if I may, everything is about money now, no loyalty appreciated, no moral valued. Just wait for football to become an "American sport" where they would pause every 20 seconds just to add in some more adverts. Besides, for me personally, I do believe in the police when it comes to anything related to crimes or the law. I know that there could be a lot of things happening behind the scene, but I prefer listening to the government who at least care about being responsible to the general public, over information on the internet that no one knows if it's real or A.I. generated.
Because he is a decent footballer and a young man that made a horrible mistake. Some people believe in second chances and some don't. I can see it from both sides. I would have rather we sold him and cut our losses.
The dude is not guilty by law, however there is wrongdoing. So how can we turn this negative past into a positive one? Firstly we must make sure this young man acknowledges his wrongdoings, but there should be ways were his salary is donated to similar causes, and he makes a positive income to others suffering similar experiences. Punishing him for life wont really do any good imo.
There's literal audio evidence, what do you think it's fake? Or done by AI? I understand if you want the player, not the person but if you want both then there's something wrong with you.
I support United but if it’s confirmed - which I imagine it will be now - he is returning to first team action I will simply disassociate with the club entirely. No tickets, shirts or viewership. At least until he’s gone for good. He doesn’t deserve to even be thought of for a spot at Manchester United. And every single crowd he plays in front of will let him know.
You guys act like saints, but would wanna be forgiven if you’re accused of sin or evil when found innocent. Let him be, you guys should get a life. What a pathetic world we live in, let him have a career… feel what you wanna feel about him, but let him have a career. You guys don’t want Mason Greenwood at Manchester United because he’s that good. All this “we are not saying he should quit football forever but he shouldn’t be back at United but elsewhere…” Isn’t that controversial?👀
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Mark Goldbridge brought up a good point. If it was a an average youth player for United who done this , then they would’ve been released immediately. However, because he was promising and is talented at football he has not been released already.
I’m glad he’s been so vocal because he has a large fanbase many of whom are impressionable kids. Viz & Niran have done a good job at covering it as well.
Simple as
It’s exactly that imagine if that was Maguire…
Well United are a football club after all.
@@damage678 exactly which makes letting him go so much easier from that angle !
The statement from United was laughable ‘partial evidence’
My club have been embrassing themselves since the beginning of time
This situation is mad
I've read the statement and I don't understand what is wrong with it? And don't get me wrong, Greenwood could never be excused as to why he did this if he did this but the statement was just a normal one?
@@RandomMF1257 you can tell they are trying to force a narrative about him through it and they dismissed all the evidence like it was nothing
Yeah it was partial
Yeah? As in only some of the evidence. There could absolutely be other evidence easily
I am a Man United fan. Thank you for this video. I am 100% with you. I don't want him anywhere near my team, and I will boo him wherever he goes. I feel disgusted and ashamed that this is my club :(
Thank you
Thank you..
One thing I didn't say that I want to add. Not only is this utterly stupid and only will damage Man Utd's reputation and will bring ongoing abuse to the club and ruin the postive atmosphere. It also gives an awful example to kids in the academy that as long as you're good enough you can do whatever you want and still be accepted and pedestaled as a role model to people all over the world.
It's utterly shameful that Manchester United have made such a simple decison to let him go so wrong. Give me your thoughts.
Anfield away he'll get ripped apart. Just so selfish from Manchester united and majority of fans won't even complain because its an extra attacker. Pathetic.
@@willb_1any away day he'll get fried😂😂
@@martykiely127 it’s already started, I was at United-Leeds as a neutral and the Leeds fans were chanting about him for half the train ride to the stadium
dont know how the fuck he got allowed
@@Kaijufied Look where they ended. Championship. The same lot that sang how Daniel James is shi+
Vizeh and Niran have spoken more facts than any of our "fans" that have been defending him
What did he even do wrong? He got a little handsy with his gf? Come on let’s grow up
Common sense
Disgusting club varchester united
Mason greenwood did nothing wrong
Ok let's get this straight. The moral failings of both Giggs and Rooney and being regarded as on the field legends has no bearing on Greenwood. He is a rapist and woman beater. I'm going to go as far as to say I personally hate Giggs and fail to see him in a positive light, whereas Rooney is just a prick who can't keep it in his pants but a legend regardless. There is a massive difference between cheating on your partner, and raping your partner.
I feel embarrassed and let down as a Manchester United fan the fans have not been consulted in the slightest on this as long as the sponsors don’t care the club don’t care what the fans think. If he were a crap player he’d have been dropped and playing National league football in the morning but because he has a monetary value ethics are forgotten disgusting.
the people who have access to the entire body of evidence have taken a call... at club and law & order level.
brother use your brain, if you can listen to the audio and say this you are delusional. only reason he is walking free right now is because he is a baller. @@Shomerful
@@dominickjacob1 have you listened to all of it? No, you only heard a snippet. Whole audio recording is almost 15 minutes long.
Have you heard of extreme role playing scenarios? Have you lot heard of fake accusations where the accused has to prove he is NOT guilty of crime? I heard about those cases a lot recently.
The self-harm and posting on Insta accusing others is sadly starting to become very common thing among girls who seek easy wealth.
@@dominickjacob1he’s still together with her, classic psycho blonde stoopid
@@info0go cry fatherless kid we want greenwood back plus he was not guilty so stfu and support another club
If this was johnny evans he would have his contract scrapped on the spot this isnt about the situation this is about his ability as a footballer
Yea if it was someone like maguire they would be sending him behind bars without a dought
@@Peter_file doubt that, people forget maguire was sentenced with an actual prison sentence and the club still stuck by him
@@jelkmeemees4314he was good back then
@@jelkmeemees4314 that was a completely different thing you can’t compare what he did to what greenwood did
@@Peter_file so which is worse, being convicted of assaulting an officer of the law, or not being convicted of assaulting a woman?
The statement reads like the club are dipping their toes in the water to gauge public reaction. You can bet their entire media team is vigilantly monitoring every form of social media right now to see what people will think if he did return. I hope they realise how awful it would be for him to return
Agreed.
And they have already exposed themselves.
"Erm....is it ok if let the rapist play on the wing?.... Yes yes we know but he was worth alot of money to us so maybe everyone could just kinda forget what happened please?"
i don’t think they care
Sadly it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, PR Team will present the feedback and the potential monetary value and his abilities as a footballer will tower over people's backlash and the owners won't care and play him eventually. The most heartbreaking thing is that if he performs, fans will forget about it, media will forget about his deeds... It'll be painful to see all of it for the sane folk.
The reality is that how disgusting man utd are for even considering allowing him to return. How out of touch they truly are. That CEO should seriously think as if it was his daughter that was beaten and forced to have sex with that scumbag. Would he sack him then? Man utd putting money before what is absolutely the right thing to do. Sack Him.
@@FunkyGhostHD they said the same about the super League
"In the end money talks and fans will be ignored"
Not if we proper kick off we won't.
They dare not ignore us when we are surrounding the stadium threatening to rip up season tickets.
The scariest thing is, I don't even really see people claiming he didn't do it. They all accept he did it, and still want him back on the field.
Bruv, Mason Greenwood did nothing. Ask the CPS.
No bro, I have seen MANY AND I MEAN MANY PEOPLE SICK IN THE END WHO SAID HE IS INNOCENT.
Because some people believe in forgiveness, and some people believe that a person's private life has nothing to do with his job.
@@Countryballs24992 remind me exactly what he was convicted of
@@joekavanagh7171 kids are impressionable they are gonna idolise this vile human.
There's really nothing else I can add to what you said. except to concur completely. Seriously, thank you so much for speaking out. You and Niran have restored my faith in the football community.
Livarpool fan ☕☕☕ lmao go see what trent has done
@@calamity69907? The only controversy with him is that he was dming a pregnant woman , was it not. Hardly comparable to a rapist
DMed a pregnant woman? Hardly the same as violently beating and raping someone, tbh.@@calamity69907
I’m honestly disgusted every day on social media under every single United post there’s the freaks that find a way in their sick and twisted minds to defend Mason. It’s always this “give him a second chance” bullshit, he’s lucky to have a second chance in LIFE since he isn’t behind bars right now. His second chance should be trying to salvage any sort of morality he has left to try to fix himself as a person, not to have the privilege of playing again for one of the biggest clubs in the world after he’s already messed up time and time again. Such a disgraceful stain on our clubs history.
Maybe it’s love?
You're the only sick and twisted one! He's innocent!
@@lukew6725African spotted
Could not have said it any better myself 🙏
@@lukew6725 No he's not, the charges were dropped
I cant believe it either and its being said that they are leaving the decision to the womens team which is crazy there hanging them out to dry and leaving them as scapegoats
The owner cba with the women’s team to begin with. The women’s facilities are rubbish even though deemed “biggest club in england”
Manager left last year cos they were given portaloos at the training ground rather than an actual toilet
No one cares about the women's team
@@connorllewellyn4382 That’s disgraceful. Morals in football died awhile ago and it’s awful to see
The women's team should be scrapped. They add nothing to the club, yet they try to dictate who plays or doesn't play for the men's team.
I've been watching your content for at least a year or so. You've always remained impartial. So powerfull hearing you echoe the voice of sane and moral men.
Thank you Thomas
@@Vizeh no problem, thankyou!
this isnt impartial ..he's making a decision without knowing anything but some pics and a clip of audio ...thank god we live in a country where it takes a little more to be convicted of such a serious crime ...but as a man you should be a bit scared how easily a woman can destroy your life with a few pics and an audio clip which none of them prove in the slightest that a rape happened
@@minusdagreez8817I mean sure sometimes the women is faking it but I’m pretty sure that in this mason greenwood situation….. it’s pretty obvious that he is guilty
@@hamzasarodiya3359 prove its obvious then ...because the audio doesn't prove he is a rapist ..the bruises don't prove he is a rapist and the blood on her mouth doesn't prove he is a rapist ..in fact it doesn't really prove anything and no court in England would ever convict him on anything based on that evidence ..so again how is it "pretty obvious"
As a United Fan, I'm disgusted by the club's approach to this, and the minority of fans overjoyed of this decision. Really poor handling of a dreadful situation.
Their approach is to leak it to the media view the backlash and then take a decision. A bit like their transfer policy last summer.
I don't know if it's just people on social media skewing things, but it doesn't seem like a minority. At least to me
Charges dropped he will return bigger and better
I agree 100 % but I don't think this is a United problem, and the statement sucks, but i think 99% of all clubs would have made the same choice, imagine it was TAA or Reece James liverpool or chelsea would never kick them out for this and that's just sad. I just hope he choose to leave on his own so us United fans won't have to watch him play cause it's really turning my stomach upside down.
@@lukaszwason5031 In terms of the 82 million strong Man Utd fan base a majority probably want him back, but it's the 2.6% of the fan base that live in the UK and buy almost all the tickets and attend the games that really matter here, and a big majority of them really don't want him back.
As a Man United fan, it sickens me that other fans want him back. He should never wear the badge again.
If it was Maguire everyone will want him gone Asap the double standards are digusting 💀
they don't understand football is not everything and people think yeah but when we are home it will be okay no it won't because not every united fan wants him and of course they go behind our back and make that decision this club is a mess i hear maguire is staying and now this wtf is going on.
that's what i am saying.
Seems pretty fitting to wear the badge actually
@@nosymf Then fall ill please. The statement clearly mentions that the public have access to "partial" information while the club have done a thorough investigation. Do you really think that if EtH (whom I believe to be a moral man) would allow Greenwood to play if he knew that Greenwood would be a bad influence on the players? . I am NOT claiming that Greenwood is innocent or that those videos/audios are fake as some people are dumb enough to think. But WE are not in a situation to pass judicial sentences on a person's life and career based on some instagram videos. That's frontier justice and witch hunts where people were hanged without trial based on public opinion. These have no credence in a civilized society where "due process" exists.
I will believe whatever the investigators, both police and united's own find out and say before I give a single ounce of credence to what the partially informed public are saying. If they think that he is guilty, then get rid of him. I am not stupid enough to think that I am above the judicial system and the police and pass a life altering sentence on a person on the basis of instagram posts and online audio recordings espcecially since the person is about to be a father and obviously will be living with the allegedly abused victim and raise a child together. If you don't want him to play, you better also demand some compensation for Hariett and her child so that they can have a semblance of normal life since they will not be granted those by the court as it has been made clear.
Coming from a person who has been a hardcore fan for 20+ years since I was introduced to football.
I've never wished more for a player to have his knees mudstomped by a player, Marcelo style, than Mason Greenwood
Really hope it happens
@@Peter_file Heung-Min Son has the opportunity to recreate a tragedy but to become praised for it
@@qkomodo9098 😂 or even Marcelo
I never wished for a play to be given the Butcher of Bilbao horror tackle more than Mason Greenwood.
@@Eibarwoman Even Maradona would be like "You know, I hear you"
Said this a thousand times but everyone who thinks he should stay should ask themselves "why would you stay with a girl who accused you of s assault if you were innocent" to me its to save face and getting her pregnant is a staple abuser tactic by making it harder for their victim to leave
Yes bro you’re so right, say this to people but they still argue even though they don’t know shit.
I usually say this.
I swear some people nowadays assume just because there were some fake victims everyone is fake.
nah this channel is a disgrace and the fact you even questioned it is crazy. Because there has been many studies which concluded that victims of sexual assault tend to go back to the abuser about 7 times before they leave and leaving can sometimes be the most dangerous option.
A DROPPED CASE BY A KEY WITNESS WITHDRAWAL DOESN’T EQUAL INNOCENT YOU IDIOT
Thank you Vizeh. I watched coverage on TUS and Sky TH-cam channels and felt sick at the amount of support in the comments MG was getting. It’s genuinely made me feel a lot lot better that I can hear the emotion in your voice displaying your disgust at this. It’s made me feel better about the human race again.
Thank you man
The hate Mark has got is ridiculous he's never said he wants greenwood to play for united if anything the opposite sending him out on loan is not the same as playing him
@@Aditya_Jayaram its the comments the op is talking about, not Mark
@@Kaijufied oh sorry I saw TUS and MG and assume it was Mark Goldbridge
Go change your diaper
I appreciate you being so blunt with how you feel about this mate. It's refreshing after seeing so many idiots fail to realise why this just isn't on at all. Anything I have to say on the matter, you've already said.
Cheers man
@@VizehI second this completely
@@Vizeh The statement clearly mentions that the public have access to "partial" information while the club have done a thorough investigation. Do you really think that if EtH (whom I believe to be a moral man) would allow Greenwood to play if he knew that Greenwood would be a bad influence on the players? . I am NOT claiming that Greenwood is innocent or that those videos/audios are fake as some people are dumb enough to think. But WE are not in a situation to pass judicial sentences on a person's life and career based on some instagram videos. That's frontier justice and witch hunts where people were hanged without trial based on public opinion. These have no credence in a civilized society where "due process" exists.
I will believe whatever the investigators, both police and united's own find out and say before I give a single ounce of credence to what the partially informed public are saying. If they think that he is guilty, then get rid of him. I am not stupid enough to think that I am above the judicial system and the police and pass a life altering sentence on a person on the basis of instagram posts and online audio recordings espcecially since the person is about to be a father and obviously will be living with the allegedly abused victim and raise a child together. If you don't want him to play, you better also demand some compensation for Hariett and her child so that they can have a semblance of normal life since they will not be granted those by the court as it has been made clear.
@@Vizeh the fact is you dont have a clue what happened ..only them two
@@minusdagreez8817neither do you though so you can't really use that argument
I’m utterly ashamed of Manchester United
Ngl if it was someone like Maguire everyone will want him gone.. this fanbase is pathetic
If there's any silver lining, most of us want him loaned and sold. It's just a vocal minority that want him back. Anyone with a brain knows he can restart his career. Just not in the Premier league. His PL career is basically over.
@@BarryMckockinah he would get ripped to shreds in La Liga or Serie A with their racism problems
@Kaijufied True, but anywhere but here. I'm all for redemption, but if he truly wants to start again he'll need to head elsewhere
@@BarryMckockinahthere ain’t no redemption here mate piss off
Amber Heard accused Johnny deep of the same , if mason wasn't found guilty let him come back to the team but I'm not fully in depth with the case so can't say he guilty or not ..
Well said mate. You are the first to actually grow the balls to the say the truth.
Mark Goldbridge and Niran have made their thoughts on the issue clear too, to be fair. But I agree, it's good to see people calling United out on their bullshit, because this is fucked.
Punez is finished u jealous greenwood better than all livarpool attackers except salah
@@calamity69907na I’m a united fan and he’s very good for this age but he’s no Mbappe still needs time
It is not only Manchester United. As a Juventus fan, it really worries my that the club looked into the option of loaning him. We are already a shady club for a lot of reasons, and now this puts our moral in doubt. It is really sad that football and society need to deal with this.
The Getafe jersey fits really well
I’m also a juve fan and I was absolutely appalled and I know this sounds crazy but for a few weeks I tried to forget about it and I didn’t watch Juventus for probably 1 month or something.
Bang on mate! The same wank excuse of “well she forgave him so it’s all good” that we hear on Twitter is mind blowing. Makes you wonder if those who are pleading for his forgiveness would be as forgiving if it was their family member, or friend who was a victim of r*pe & domestic violence?
Umm first of all he hasn't raped so what evidence u using idk he was proven innocent in court look at Benjamin mendys example clowns like u deserve to be put in the jail not greenwood
We need to stop taking women so seriously
@@chelseachelseafcsuperfan7220 Sort yourself out mate
@@chelseachelseafcsuperfan7220that’s if they didn’t have any evidence
Its sad that even now,8 months later fans are still asking for our "star boy" to come back. I want Greenwood to be separated from UTD permanently without any chance of him coming back
Wait but the person he assaulted literally accepted his apology to him and they hve a fimly nd u r still hating wtf
@@Bobbiez_editz I have not seen any evidince on her accepting the apology. And the point still stands, he ASSAULTED someone against their will. No coming back from that in my books
I can't see myself as a United fan after this. Disgraceful behaviour from them. Big ups to Vizeh and Niran for being so honest and blunt about this.
I don't like United at all, but try to separate the club from the people making the decisions as I'm sure many players feel disgusted by this and would hope he doesn't return to the team
Good do one then
@@haidrow4008 A lot of the players have said they’d be happy to have him back, the higher ups at the club are obviously supporting him. Ten Hag wants him back. I can’t support a team that supports people like Greenwood.
@@Ashley-ji3jz So you support rapists? Just exposed yourself there mate
@@ruinthem671are u a fan cause of the board or current players? And if so, your a pretty bad one.
I swear some people nowadays assume just because there were some fake victims everyone is fake.
Because there has been many studies which concluded that victims of sexual assault tend to go back to the abuser about 7 times before they leave and leaving can sometimes be the most dangerous option.
A DROPPED CASE BY A KEY WITNESS WITHDRAWAL DOESN’T EQUAL INNOCENT.
Read the CPS statement. In addition to her withdrawing her co-operation, new evidence also emerged which cast further doubt on his guilt. Your type conveniently ignore this.
@@joekavanagh7171 but the other evidence is more important than the other are you dumb?
@@joekavanagh7171 tell me where that new evidence is from? And what do you mean my type? You idiot I’m usually really hard towards victims because they ruin lives but this situation is entirely different. And again where tf did you get that “new evidence” from.
I don't think he should ever kick a ball professionally again personally
He shouldn’t be in public ever again
@@lewikj186 so maybe you should introduce mob rule, kangaroo courts and lynchings. Would that satisfy you?
@@joekavanagh7171we aren’t supposed to tolerate rapists as a society
It's clear that Greenwood's misses has been told by her father to "make it work" as he makes sooo much money.
That's a seriously bad father.
You and none of us know nothing about the girl. She could be making her own money. If Mason got with her she's probably a model or something.
This comment prove why mason needs to come back. People chat shit while knowing nothing
Completely agree with what you have said. These randoms on social media need to think of how would it feel if this situation happened to: a friend, sister, mum, cousin, family member, loved one etc. Because surely they wouldn’t forgive the person and would feel angry and upset.
I reckon anyone who defends a known rapist is probably a bit rapey themselves.
How would you feel if your friend/father/sibling was falsely accused?
@@icantthinkofacoolname1308 falsely accused?
By who?
You think she made it up?
What for?
The justice system is completely corrupt lack of witnesses? There actual voice recordings, audio bottom line is mason greenwood is a monster and if he joins my club I would be absolutely disgusted.
😂😂😂
This was a great take and it's absolutely heinous how people with money and power or prestige can pay off their crime
Thats just how life works
The law only applies to commoners and the poor
I’m a united fan and I’m so disappointed with the club and pissed off that we’re actually letting him back. I didn’t think they would due to bad PR rather than the crime/morals… but the board/decision makers obviously don’t care about either since greenwood before did have value as, if this was an average player from the youth academy, they would be gone as they still see him as an asset. The whole situation is a mess…
This is even more serious now with a child. The partner May be suffering from a form of Stockholm syndrome. I mean the evidence that was available to the public was pretty damming, not the mention the “evidence that wasn’t available” according to the club. It makes me sick to the stomach that the club can just let him back like that. I mean at least with Joey Barton and Marlon King they actually went to prison.
I'm baffled how the police didn't do him for witness tampering. He allegedly breached bail conditions to contact her and had a child with her, making her testimony in court worthless because she isn't going to testify against the father of her child. I could of course be wrong but it looks like he's wielded his wealth and power to keep her with him and shut the case down.
@@HarvesterYTHer father told her to go back to him too. Its fucked all round.
I support greenwoods return from a sporting viewpoint. All i care about is football.
I let the police and the club handle the off the field stuff.
Just because I support his return doesnt mean i support crimes.
I only care about football from a sporting element.
Facts
I'm so glad Mason's back and I'm not even a United fan
Great to see a comment here from a non-w**ker
I clicked on the video so I knew what I was in for but
1. Greenwood is back with his gf so who are you defending?
2. Your making him unemployable
3. Leave football to football
The timing of this announcement is due to the squad numbers needing to be finalised before the transfer window closes on 2nd Sept, which makes it all the more sickening
The moment you say that you don't think Greenwood should stop playing football, the whole video is irrelevant.
If he can still play football then why not Man Utd?
I'm a Chelsea fan and I think there needs to be consequences.
But if that consequence is not he stops playing football, then him playing at Man Utd as opposed to another club or even England should not matter
Man Utd should have either sold him or loaned him out. At this point it's better to sell Mason Greenwood.
I dont think any of the people backing him are from england to be honest... im a united fan and im disgusted, he shouldnt play again he should be in prison
99% of them are from Nigeria. Apparently r*pe is socially acceptable there.
As a woman and football enjoyer, this is actually horrifying. Especially, how many people actually stand behind this.
Yes I am appalled by everyone who backs him and they are absolutely cretins who have never even probably touched a woman or talked to a woman.
I’m a United fan for nearly 40 years and I agree with you 100 percent. I have always kept up with our youth teams, so was aware of Mason from a young age, the boy is a generational talent and I had very high hopes for him. The moment the audio & visuals came out, everything changed and I never wanted to see him in a United shirt again.
For me it’s unforgivable behaviour, regardless of age or any mitigating circumstances. I was actually happy with the club for taking a moral high ground and immediately suspending him, unlike Arsenal who continued to play Partey, which is shameful. However, the meek, substance-less statement dropped today has undone any good the club had done up until now. I will say, from what I’ve seen online and on fan channels that the majority of fans who blindly support him are plastic, foreign fans who have never stepped foot in this country, mostly from cultures who have very different attitudes towards women. People can take that last statement however they want, it’s factual and I stand by it.
Of course for balanced conversation sake, the flip side is the police dropped charges, his victim forgave him (or chose the money) she has birthed his child and there is an issue with statements like “other evidence has come to light” etc. That for me probably saves some form of career, yet as you rightly say it shouldn’t be for a club of United’s stature. I am still unsure of what they will ultimately decide, as the statement was so wishy-washy, I can only hope they will see sense and cut ties with him. I don’t use it as an excuse or opportunity to attack the Glazers but I can only speculate that another owner would of handled this much cleaner than they have. No matter what, myself and proper United fans do not want him playing for our club again, it’s that simple.
Good man, well said.
Innocent until proven guilty did u personally see greenwood doing that if that's the case become a judge and stop typing bs in the comment section
@@calamity69907and did you personally see Greenwood NOT doing that?
@@calamity69907 he's been proven guilty
@@markolitvic6981 The statement clearly mentions that the public have access to "partial" information while the club have done a thorough investigation. Do you really think that if EtH (whom I believe to be a moral man) would allow Greenwood to play if he knew that Greenwood would be a bad influence on the players? . I am NOT claiming that Greenwood is innocent or that those videos/audios are fake as some people are dumb enough to think. But WE are not in a situation to pass judicial sentences on a person's life and career based on some instagram videos. That's frontier justice and witch hunts where people were hanged without trial based on public opinion. These have no credence in a civilized society where "due process" exists.
I will believe whatever the investigators, both police and united's own find out and say before I give a single ounce of credence to what the partially informed public are saying. If they think that he is guilty, then get rid of him. I am not stupid enough to think that I am above the judicial system and the police and pass a life altering sentence on a person on the basis of instagram posts and online audio recordings espcecially since the person is about to be a father and obviously will be living with the allegedly abused victim and raise a child together. If you don't want him to play, you better also demand some compensation for Hariett and her child so that they can have a semblance of normal life since they will not be granted those by the court as it has been made clear.
Totally agree with you, makes me sick!
Guilty until proven innocent
So we disregard the audio tapes
That seems to be the mentality on this channel. Thankfully it's not how the law works.
@@joekavanagh7171except the fact that he strangely did not go to court and the case was dropped. Innocent until proven guilty only benefits the elites. It doesn’t exist in corrupt and unequal countries like Britain. The fact is he’s guilty and everyone knows it, even his supporters admit he did it at this point. They just don’t care
I’m already searching for a new club to support because of this situation
I’m supporting Brighton now
Come on the Seagulls
bit far tbf yeah u might not agree with their so called decision, but to stop being a fan overall?
I bet you're not
@@chazzad7778 pretty much yea. The club is disappointing the fans by allowing him to return
@@darrylkemp3253 no fr I am. I might follow Villa after they signed Diaby
Bringing him back will be a disgrace and would cause problems for the club. It will divide the fan base and the dressing room and among others. She dropped the charges saving Greenwood from incarceration. I don't understand some people's argues saying the club shud give him a second chance. Keeping him out of the cell is the second chance isn't it?
This is disgraceful from our club. This is absolutely horrifying.
The people on twitter are horrifying me with how much they think it’s normal truly terrible and the funny thing is these social media fans have not stepped a foot near old Trafford
@@Peter_filea lot of them as well likely to be impressionable young boys who will think this behaviour is acceptable. It's actively dangerous and can get people killed.
Spot on. It's always refreshing to see a football supporter with morals, because they are far and few between lately.
Exactly
@@rituparna801dumping players for woke fans is not morality. It's virtue signalling
@@cristianoreddevil9736 there's no wokeness here. Everything is black and white here. Neither Greenwood nor MU deny those charges. Charges were dropped. He wasn't proven innocent. Victim went back to abuser because that's how abuse work if you don't know.
@@cristianoreddevil9736He's literally a r*pist
This will just make Man Utd even more hated than they actually are
Personally I don't care how many hate us as long as we start winning things again and are no longer the laughing stock of football.
You could have ended the video after four seconds, honestly. You summed it up perfectly in those five words alone.
My thoughts exactly!
Nah, theres one other part which needs to be in
"Morals and ethics, dont really matter, as long as you win or make money"
The opposition supporters across the country will have a field day🤣🤣....I can already imagine the chants.
Innocent until proven guilty. It should not even be a question whether or not he can come back or not. It's the job of the justice system to decide who is and who is not guilty, not the club or people.
"It sets a bad precedent if you let him come back"
It sets a worse precedent if you don't.
mate it’s been proven time and time again that people with privilege get away with horrific things and when there’s concrete proof of what he’s done there is nothing that can be said in his defence anymore. If there wasn’t such blatant proof your beliefs would make sense but jesus man
The courts do not decide everything. Once the case was dropped due to witnesses no longer wanting to testify, this became an internal club matter, in which they are allowed to take action.
This case isn't (and shouldn't be) as simple as 'the case collapsed so he must be innocent, let's get him playing again'. It's not that cut and dry.
@@symptomofsoulsNot really. The photos and audio are damning enough. There are different levels of disciplinary action in the world, this isn't a matter of 'the case has collapsed so there's nothing we can do'
@@TheBreysterit was 10 minutes no?
"gUiLtY uNtIl PrOvEn InNoCeNt", is the only reasoning i can get out of the scum bags who defend him on social media
Were u the judge did u see him in front of ur eyes doing that pls tell me
Thanks for making this video, not many other football TH-camrs have broached this topic and it’s brave of you.
Aubameyang has disciplinary problems: Arsenal remove him from captaincy and sell him at next opportunity
Greenwood has this incident: gets suspended for a year and potentially returns to the squad with no repercussions with ETH's blessing
United are finished if this happens. Their players will know there are no consequences and then anything can happen.
Bullshit. So you think Greenwood coming back will turn the rest of the squad into alleged rapists?
Being a United supporter, that statement and the handling of this whole situation is absolutely sickening. Truly should never even hold the shirt again.
This will cause such a constant hostile atmosphere in the stands it will negatively go on to affect there results
If he's involved in the squad
There were warning signs in videos before this happened with him talking sx explicitly and filming it
I guarantee it will be a decision Manchester United regrets
He has brought the club into disrepute that alone is enough to terminate his contract
Think about how Manchester United handled Cristiano Ronaldo's Situation with the passing of his child where he recieved no support and was made as a scapegoat on his last season, then you see this Greenwood fiasco, this is such a shameful club
Crazy that a global club like Man U would put so little regard towards the club’s image bringing a well-hated player back to the team
Innocent until proven guilty. Should he never be able to earn a living because of trial by court of public opinion? I’m a United fan and I don’t “feel sick”. There are bigger issues in life than who a football club employs
I subscribed. You give me faith in Humanity. There's a lot of moral issues here, very disappointed in ManU....😔
What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
If there’s evidence of any dismissible behavior, then get rid of him immediately. Otherwise not. Period.
As a woman and s fan of the game, I feel so bad for United fans but you guys deserve this.
Why do United fans deserve this? Very disrespectful to say imo
It's a subject that needs to be treated with the upmost respect.
As an Arsenal fan, I feel similarly disgusted at how many of our fans back Partey after what he’s done.
That might not be true
Thomas Partey is a different case. He doesn’t have a video recording of him doing the crime itself, so for now innocent until proven guilty.
@@trungnguyen7827 Mason Greenwood doesn't have a video of him doing a crime tho does he? He has a video of him behaving like a fucking idiot, but that seems to be it. Or am i totally misunderstanding the video. Is there anything illegal going on in the audio?
Stop being childish. I dont want him to return but look at it like this. Him and his gf have moved on, theyre having a child, and majority of the United fanbase want him back. People who dont look at others views and call them 'idiots' or 'r*pist supporters' are just disgusting. You did not conduct the investigation and judged this based on partial evidence which was released to the public. You have to move on and live in the real world. And I wish the best for Mason, Harriet, and their child. I also hope the abuse towards Mason dies down after a bit.
Welcome back Mason 🙌
Why do"some" Manchester fans hate Mason Greenwood so much? Did he killed someone. I really doubt if these anti-Greenwood are a true Manchester United fans, because forgiveness is not only Godly but also proper. Charges were dropped, so why are people yelling about Mason Greenwood's name? It's up to Manchester United's board and owners and I wish Greenwood returns to Old Trafford sooner than later.
Great spelling and grammar and no he raped someone which is sometimes worse.
just look at what giggs did to his brother and still lauded as a legend, morals have gone out the door at this club since glazers took over
Big difference between shagging your brothers wife and attempted rape and physical abuse pal
It wasn't until the end of Giggs' career that he was outed.
@@Vizeh Still morally wrong. You can't be OKing about shagging your brothers' wife
@@Vizeh that's obvious mate, greenwood is far-worse but what giggs did was still disgusting, for a long time now under the glazers there's been no consequences for immoral acts
As far as I’m aware, he has had multiple cases against him, including imprisonment of his ex wife that was later dropped. He was a pretty despicable character.
The reason why people are defending Mason and backing United because United as a whole are extremely desperate to either get him playing or need to find someone who doesn’t care to buy him.
Doesn’t surprise me that Man U did this, It’s been a sh*t show since the glazers took over.
It’s a sick world man, sad Mason never got locked up.
Rival fans shook to see Greenwood against their defence...n rightly so 🤣
blud thinks Vvd is scared of a 22 y o rapist
He'll get two broken legs and he's going to gonna get booed and nobody is gonna respect him at all. The pressure will get them and he will be a terrible player. Simple as
Should never be allowed anywhere near a football ground in england whatsoever, crazy how this is happening
I think if United´s owners weren´t the Glazers (who treat every aspect of the club like an asset) then he would be gone already. But unfortunately the Glazers look at him as an asset and won´t get rid of him. And we all know that big business men relinquish their morals in exchange for a good asset.
If Ryan Giggs doesn't get into the hall of fame for what he did but Mason Greenwood gets to keep playing, it's such a double standard
Well said, as a ''United'' fan I agree with you 100%. The people who celebrate the potential return of Greenwood sicken me to the core to be honest. I am at breaking point with the club I once loved, the ownership of this club has worn me out mentally already. This is the final straw for me now, I will be supporting my local team from now on, there has to be standards. I totally agree with you that the United should be the standard and if this is the standard they can keep it. Such a shame, the busby babes must be turning in their graves, disgusting actions from greedy fat cat owners who only want to line their pockets and have no moral compass or standards of their own. Edit: Also if enough fans feel the way I do they will lose millions in tickets sales and merchandising so this move makes no sense to me at all from a business or PR view.
U don’t go to games, don’t lie
@@alabi88 You wrote this comment to try and wind me up right? Don't lie.
Fatherless kid detected
@@calamity69907 lol sad man who has nothing better to do that be a cretin and try and get a raise out of others. You failed massively my friend, L
The boy is teenager that needs counselling. Instead of isolating him. You dont care about other peoples mental health.
If they allow him to play, imagine the opposition players willing to give him the Roy Keane career ending challenges.
Absolute bollox
@@OffTheGrid_ you would be surprised footballers are people, I would give him some on the field if I were to play against him.
I hope other players try do those challenges it’s terrible and women that have genuinely had this done to them deserve justice
@@Legend-zo9bc Honestly I wish that would happen, but at the end of the day it’s the premier league not Sunday league there’s too much on the line for any player to start trying to injure someone on the pitch
@@OffTheGrid_ You seen Ramos play for Real no?
We kicked Ronaldo out for speaking the truth but this we're willing to potentially let this guy back in?
society is going backwards
cope
@@LocalNoob_2no you cope mason greenwood is a sickening example of a human
@@Peter_file and you are aswell believing everything you see and hear on social medias,especially in this day and age when everything is controleld by woke media and manipulated,literally could have been sexual roleplay or fantasies but the media turned it around
The worst part about all of it, is that they dragged the women's team through the mud. Leaving it up to their decision on whether he should comeback or not. They should know that these women will be abused online (as is currently happening) and sent horrific messages. But this club has never cared for it's women's side and only seen as a way to improve their PR and social image. IMO the women's team have a massive opportunity to step up and refuse to play for the club, as it is obvious that the club do not care for their safety or their input.
Id hope to think that Manchester United match day fans who go to Old Trafford will make their voices heard. The online fans are not the majority. Greenwood is scum, people forget he cheated on her before he did what he did. Fans of all clubs shouldn't use this to point score over United fans is bigger than that
All professional athletes are cheating. The girls who are dating them understand that and if they think they aren’t those girls are delusional
Well football has never been about ethics, that part of the game was lost decades ago through it becoming into a business. The World Cup workers abuse and deaths of thousands is just the biggest one but there have been all sorts of other cases of all sorts of types throughout the years in all areas of the sports. Hell I recall hearing the situation of academy students being abused in Africa for years and FIFA and clubs just turning a blind eye.
My point being that as fans we can’t really do much about the lack of consideration morality has had in the world of Football and more specifically those in charge regardless of ranking
It’s just sad that us fans support the game only for these type of things going in the background. It’s a solemn/depressing feeling supporting my club with such rich and inspiring history only for them to pull off something like this.
His girlfriend literally forgave him and he never was proven guilty, nobody cares whether you, randoms on the internet, want him to play or not. People with no lives always have to find someone to hate, and they'll always find a moral justification to abuse them.
These haters do not care about the facts, evidence, reason and logic. We live in a Western world that thinks it's socially acceptable to falsely accuse someone of SA.
Just cos he’s not guilty doesn’t mean he’s innocent
As a United fan, I'm used to my club making bad decisions but holy fuck was this the absolute pinnacle of that. EVERYONE heard the audio, everyone's seen the transcript. You cannot let someone like that play for your club again - especially because you're the biggest team in England (brand-wise). What does that say about your club? What does that say to all of your fans who've veen victims of abuse similar to that of hie partner? What does it say to other young academy talents? It makes me sick to know that that the club don't seem to care about the ethics of it, and only care about the money.
You just know that if he wasn't this "star boy" talented youngster they'd have made the right decision and got rid of him months ago.
They can't have thought about how this will affect the squad and the manager too, right? EVERY week there'll be meria questions about it (rightfully so), chants about the player, verbal abuse online and in person. And we know for a fact (because its been reported several times) that some people in the United dressing room wouldn't be comfortable having him back.
Such an abhorrently shameful and badly thought out decision.
What makes u think the audio was real could be fake too imagine trusting everything u see on the net
First of all. I am not a united fan. Secondly What Mason Greenwood did is Awful and his girlfriend should have left him and he should have been charged.
But not because a person is a public figure does mean we should just condemn them and never give them a chance to redeem themselves. If People change their behavior and the victim is ok with them re-entering. Then who are we to just condemn this young man. I was a part of the football industry for 2 years I worked with the management team of a star player. He was physically abusive to his wife but the matter was handled in therapy and nothing was ever leaked to the press.
A lot of people hail him as a hero still to this day.
Don't be so quick to condemn and write people off. This is why we have rehabilitation.
Certified clown comment 😂
It’s a shame. Many young people look up to Geenwood. And will think that they can get away with abuse because greenwood did.
When you think about it, why would Mason and her partner still be together if she faked the photos and audio?
Also Utd said that they care about her, but the fact the decision has taken this long disproves that and is a disgrace in itself even if they sack him. I hope their female employees protest, I hope their women's team dissolves, costing millions. I hope the club gets ridiculed, lose reputation and supporters and ruins the club forever.
there is no way he will be allowed back
he will cope
@localnoob9537 it would not be suprising if he gets chants against that start ripping him to shreds, then again that is usually a normal chant so
@@Thomas-zs5wt and he will shut them up by scoring against them with his wand of a left foot
@@LocalNoob_2and after he will go to the bar and hit women
@@joshez1 chill josh you are using too much of your brain capability
Liam - thank you for being straight, honest, and addressing something I (honestly) forgot about. It's crazy when the media silences a horrific asset, it takes someone like yourself to present that asset in the light he deserves to be: a monster.
Thank you. You speak for a lot of us. Glad to see there are some who have some basic human morals unlike the sickos on twitter. Subscribed to you. I'm a United fan and seriously questioning how I'm supposed to support the team when he is on the pitch.
Going after an innocent man, after he has been proven innocent. You're a weirdo mate.
then don’t support united lol
@@ttvvideos2050 well he's been booted so I'm good, mate. You good?
you have been questioning supporting united ever since harry maguire became shit in 21/22 lol
But yeah i agree with your take on mason
This is why the Glazers need to log off bro this is disgusting. They need to be boycotted. This is Harvey Weinstein levels of bad
They should have released him from his contract as soon as they could, anything other than absolute action sends the wrong message. We've all heard the recordings, there's no space for doubt.
You're the reason innocent men get publicly harassed and then lose their careers before and force of judiciary process. He's be cleared of all charges, that should be the end of it. Where you going after Mendy from day 1?
@@tinyrodent2821 A lack of evidence to prove guilt is not the same thing as innocence.
How can any Man United fan with mothers, sisters, nieces, daughters or goddaughters stomach this disgusting young man back, given the audio recordings of her saying ‘NO’ like it meant nothing to him, and treating her like a piece of meat, like his possession? How any of you can want him back just for a few points here or there. This club will scrape the gutter if it brings him back or places the decision on their women’s team because they are too gutless to make the decision themselves.
Its only kids who havent been in a relationship and have no idea how these things work defending him
As a United fan, I really can't agree with you more. We're supposed to be setting the standards of this sport in this country. But I'd really like to bring people's attention to the fking Glazers and the Americans businessmen. They are destroying football if I may, everything is about money now, no loyalty appreciated, no moral valued. Just wait for football to become an "American sport" where they would pause every 20 seconds just to add in some more adverts. Besides, for me personally, I do believe in the police when it comes to anything related to crimes or the law. I know that there could be a lot of things happening behind the scene, but I prefer listening to the government who at least care about being responsible to the general public, over information on the internet that no one knows if it's real or A.I. generated.
I don't understand why some Man United fans want Mason Greenwood back.
because he is not guilty? you really think any woman on the planet would be with a guy who r her and have a kid with him aswell? get a grip bruh
@@LocalNoob_2are you spastic. Dropped charges don’t equal being innocent. Not to mention the audio and videos of him raping and beating his girlfriend
@@LocalNoob_2money talks. She's staying with him for the bag 💰💰💰
@@LocalNoob_2I guess you’ve never heard of abusive relationships
Because he is a decent footballer and a young man that made a horrible mistake. Some people believe in second chances and some don't.
I can see it from both sides. I would have rather we sold him and cut our losses.
The dude is not guilty by law, however there is wrongdoing. So how can we turn this negative past into a positive one? Firstly we must make sure this young man acknowledges his wrongdoings, but there should be ways were his salary is donated to similar causes, and he makes a positive income to others suffering similar experiences. Punishing him for life wont really do any good imo.
He's not inoccent either.
He’s coming back sometimes u got to be in the wrong he’s been proven not guilty keep using his name for views👍
There's literal audio evidence, what do you think it's fake? Or done by AI? I understand if you want the player, not the person but if you want both then there's something wrong with you.
Charges dropped does not equal innocence
@@memegito_1 charges dropped also Wud mean he’s not guilty u can argue either way
@@eddie_1137 OJ Simpson ain’t guilty, Jimmy Saville ain’t guilty with that logic
@@Kaijufiedthat’s a bit different mate isnt it?
I support United but if it’s confirmed - which I imagine it will be now - he is returning to first team action I will simply disassociate with the club entirely. No tickets, shirts or viewership. At least until he’s gone for good. He doesn’t deserve to even be thought of for a spot at Manchester United. And every single crowd he plays in front of will let him know.
You guys act like saints, but would wanna be forgiven if you’re accused of sin or evil when found innocent. Let him be, you guys should get a life. What a pathetic world we live in, let him have a career… feel what you wanna feel about him, but let him have a career. You guys don’t want Mason Greenwood at Manchester United because he’s that good. All this “we are not saying he should quit football forever but he shouldn’t be back at United but elsewhere…” Isn’t that controversial?👀
the fact that he was there since he was 7 years old means a lot to them. they see him as a legacy player in a way
Disgusting club varchester united