Is the Squier Paranormal CYCLONE a Stratocaster? It has 3 pickups and a wiggle stick, so mayyyyyybe?
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A few people asked if a Cyclone could take the place of a strat, and thats all it took to inspire me to make a whole gosh dang video about it. I don't think it's the same as a Stratocaster but maybe you disagree.
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Scale length. Hardly ever mentioned but a major effect on tone, feel and even tuning stability.
Please elaborate on this statement.
@@rudedawg5087 This is only my opinion but I'd say that a 25.5 inch scale guitar has more bass and treble to its sound than a shorter scale instrument. Some might say that maybe 26 or 27 inch scale gives a more optimum tone. Go too long and you're into baritone territory. Shorter scale guitars tend to have lower string tension which some might prefer but personally I don't. I've always found 'Gibson' scale guitars too easy to bend, which might be just the reason that loads of players go for that style of instrument. It's all down to what you prefer.
@@alexhollins5830 Thanks for that. I do like my '99 Gibson LPDC and '89 & '04 Fender strats but am gas'in for this Cyclone. Just leery or unsure about the tone of this short scale w/single coils. What makes matters worse is there are no guitar/music stores within 2 hours from where we live and I have to order every guitar played/sight unseen.
So far I've been lucky in scoring really good guitars online.
@@rudedawg5087 It's all very subjective but I think that single coils sound great on shorter scale guitars. Hope I don't start a scale length war but I would say that it's a bigger influence on a guitar than the woods used in their construction.
@@alexhollins5830 short scales only have less tension if you don’t compensate string gauge to the scale. Not exact but my rule of thumb is 9’s on a 25.5” is equivalent to 10’s on a 24.75” is equivalent to 11’s on a 24”.
I wish Epiphone came up with some weird guitars. I like their necks and fretboard radius much more! How 'bout an SG without neck dive.
That would be a weird guitar!
sg will always have neck dive because the body is so light
How about an SG with a humbucker and a P90 in the bridge?
epiphone sg bully
Wear a better guitar strap and neck dive vanishes. I’m going to put a whammy bar on my cheap Epiphone SG. Absurdly light poplar body. Very cool. But the neck is mahogany which is just a bad choice.
I super want a cyclone, I'd be tempted to put a lil 59 in the middle for post punk sounds.
That’s a cool idea! I was thinking like some lipstick tubes or some cool rails would sound bitchin’ in that thing!
Hey Mickey just check out the dark side (tip: G&L Fallout). Thank me later post punk comrade
I'm a rookie - what does 59 mean? :)
@@ivoryvignettes a lil 59 is a seymour duncan pickup that is the tone of a les paul paf but the size of a single coil. It's less output too so would blend with the single coils
I'm thinking of doing the Everything Axe set on my Cyclone: JB, Jr. - Bridge; Duckquacker - Middle; Lil' 59 - Neck.
Did you ever put a Little 59 in the middle? Actually, did you ever get a Cyclone?
Love your videos Ryan! I truly appreciate your demos. Could you please do a sound comparison between the Cyclone and the Jaguar?
Interesting that the Indian Laurel fretboard on the Cyclone is so much darker! I really like how that looks.
Love it. In the intro You really played the strat like a strat and the cyclone like a mustang!
just got this as a present from my gf ! blown away by it, recently sold a gibson midtown custom but this feels somewhat different to play but also familiar. The pickup switching will take some getting used to and the tuners can definitely get swapped out, otherwise very impressed by the sound of the guitar and the resonance of it too. I'll note the QC seems to be spot on for the one I got too, very impressed
The Toronado also uses the Gibson scale.
Love the cyclone. I have a mustang which is similar but with an even shorter scale of 24 inch. The cyclone is only 24.75 which is the same as a gibson les paul or sg. So it's not too short. It's shorter, but still a full size guitar. It will have some effect but I don't think most people would notice too much, and it certainly shouldn't put anyone off. My mustang is fine and I can swap back and forth between it and my strat with no issues. That said, I probably wouldn't like to go much shorter than the mustangs 24 ".
The Cyclone has a throatier, more midrange and bass heavy tone than a strat because of the shorter scale.
Really like the sound of the Cyclone.. I've not been 100% about my Strat, wondering if I'd prefer the feel and sound of the Cyclone instead! The only thing that really draws me to the Strat is positions 4 and 5... might have to A/B them in a shop if I can
Seems like the cyclone is a good option for folks who want something a little bit smoother and rounder than a strat while still getting that single coil quack.
Hoping so, that's exactly why I've just sprung for one.
@@andrewfernie4932 that’s why I’m buying one today!
@@doctorskull8197 Can confirm it's very quacky.
Reminds me more of a mustang tone or something, a real mellow slightly darker sound. Also might be the similar scale length and pickup placement to a mustang.
Also, a "tunr time" shirt would be heckin' dope.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes oh and YES!
It's not a 100% Strat, but it's got a nice jangly, single-coil sound because that's what it is. A trained ear will know the difference when they hear it, but if you used it on a cover song that originally used a Strat for the part, it wouldn't sound out-of-place or wrong.
The strat sounds for me come from the bridge pickup not having a tone knob, and the other two have individual tone pots. The neck pickup is where the 24th fret would be if a strat had it. You can get strat-ish tones from the cyclone and other guitars thought it's not the same.
Personally, I think the original Cyclone 2 is one of Fender’s modern hidden gems that flew completely under the radar and disappeared far too quickly. Hopefully I’ll be able to find one before people realize how amazing they are and the aftermarket prices shoot WAY up
I was obsessed with the Cyclone 2s back in 2008. You could see them on eBay for 300-400. Now they're regularly 1200. Too late lol.
I’d prefer to have a cyclone over a strat. It gets you close to strat tones, but I don’t get any inspiration from strats, so it would give me the sound that I like without taking away from my creativity.
The last time I was this early, I missed out on being a Dad for the third time.
Why does the intro jam sound like a super surfy deep cut from The Residents? 😂 keep jamming, Ryan, you’re the man! ✌️
The Cyclone would have looked way better with a pre-CBS headstock. I know Squiers typically sport the bigger heastock... The Cyclone body is just really nice. I love those short horns.
The original Cyclone I and II sport a jazzmaster headstock styled neck converted to 24.75" scale length. They continued this design with the current Cyclone.
@@RobertNolan Ah, it's a Jazzmaster headstock. Makes sense. Not quite as big as the CBS headstocks. Thanks.
These guitars were hardly on my radar, but now I really love them. That one sounds great...I think you're gonna sell a few of those!
On the original six screw style Fender tremolos, if you get those six screws too tight, it will give the squishy feel on release. Try backing then up a 1/8th of a turn out.
I really want the Offset Telecaster from this series.
I have one and can very much recommend it. Sounds amazing for a cheaper guitar. Also would recommend buying it from Chicago music exchange as they set it up very very well before sending out and it plays better than any of my fenders
I have the Offset Tele & it's THE BEST electric ever! Came to me from AMS perfectly set up. Mine's in butterscotch blonde. Now, thanks to you, Ryan, I believe a Cyclone is next! AMS has one in iconic Candy Apple Red. And, if I squint & stare at the pickguard long enough, I swear my name is on it!
My wife compliments all my guitars, but there are a couple that she does not hide her love of. I love that.
I saw your Instagram post with your wife holding the guitar. I thought it was awesome. You should print and frame that.
Hey ryan, here the guy from Brazil who DM'd you about the fender cyclone II, the fender actually doesn't sound that close to a strat, since they have AVRI jaguar pick ups. All the best whishes dude!
They have different scale lengths and circuits, so definitely not
Other Fenders with 24.75" scale include the Toronado, the Strat-o-sonic and Telesonic from the early 00s.
I’d like to see a shirt with “editing Ryan” on it
Me, too! Also have "60 Cycle Hum" design. Maybe, "60 Cycle" on front and "editing Ryan" on the back.
Great review!! You're really making me want to get a cyclone now for that "strat-ish" sound!
Measure both screws holding the claw arm. Make sure they're the same length. Hope this helps. Either that or spring quality. Or the strings... Could be angle of nut. It's bound to be one of those things. Im constantly tweaking my shit so I know that feel.
Some of your best playing on this one
You can get a Warmouth 24.75 scale neck for a strat or tele, or you can get a stat or tele with a 24" scale length (MIJ junior collection--still being made, or fender modern player short scale used). The 25.5 scale length can make certain stretches an issue for people with barely average or below hand size. Mine is just a touch below average, and the gibson scale definitely helps, but the 24" scale is ideal! I tried the Paranormal Cyclone but the switches were sharp, and in a terrible position (think cutting your hand while strumming), so that was a no go. I love my jaguar, and also love the strat tones, so I'm looking for a 24 scale length strat!
It's like a mustang and a strat crossbreeded and had a child that tried to transition into a jazzmaster/jagauar
Lomic guitars does custom pick guards for this model with any pickup configuration you desire! Costs about 30-40 dollars
Not an option for Australia (does not ship to us Aussies), there is a UK vendor that ships globally. UK shipping is also cheaper than USA to us folks down under.🦘🦘🌏
The cyclone has a nice soft chiming overtone to it.
Great video and comparison thank you! I'm not a big Fender guy but they do make some cool stuff, Strats, Jazzmasters, Jaguars, basses etc. BUT this Cyclone body style appealed to me. I like the 24.75" scale length and the 3 single coils and Strat style tremolo and switching kind of like a Jaguar. I think the Jaguar is a cool looking guitar but I tried one with 9 gauge strings on it and it was just awkward and the strings felt like rubber bands..(I know they say Jags do better with heavier gauge strings) I just tried out a used Cyclone in Daphne blue that was at a good price and needless to say I ended up getting it. Played great, smooth and just felt right. Cool guitar and great value for the money and something that's just a little different.
The Cyclone sounds cleaner to me, I'd love to hear a comparison using some modulation effects!
Also the finish on that Strat reminds of your Bullet Mustang :')
The cyclone doesn't sound as quacky or chonky as the strat, which are the sounds I'd want. What I'm eyeballing right now is a Robert Cray hardtail strat.
You explained it very well my friend! Thank you!!
Overall the Cyclone sounds glassier through all positions, whereas the Strat’s 1 and 3 positions sound barkier and less glassy and 5 sounds woody.
I've had mine around the same amount of time now. I had to swap stock pickups, I have a hotrail in the bridge and I'm still experimenting, trying vintage 59s next. I had to add a better trem after stripping the threads after a month of using the trem. Wilkinson makes a thicker plate and drop in trem system that's cheap and made better. I kept the saddles but plan to use American fender style. I took off the string tree for an American standard type. I put in an old .022 ceramic cap and white switchcraft switches (they don't line up perfectly unless tightened on each side equally) and chrome tele barrel knobs for imports that I found on ebay. I like 10s on it. The worst part is I can see every body seam in the right light. It's made of 7 pieces of wood, possibly 8 but definitely 7. The neck is great but was a pain to remove the poly from the edges for fret dressing. Turns out a few frets were short and being hid by clear coat, I'll have to fill the edges in one day but it plays great and it's one I'll never let go of unless I find an original with the jag pups.
I'd like to know what was the Wilkinson trem bridge too ! Thanks
Halleluyah, you've finally opened my ears about the Paranormal Cyclone, it's got a unique, special tone!
I love what Fender/Squier is doing with the Paranormal line.
A comparsion with a Fender Player Series Mustang would be nice. I really like the looks of this Cyclone but the pickups sound thin and I would replace them. But with new pickups its almost as pricey as a Fender Mustang or Duo Sonic..
Yes they are low output. I put base plates on mine, and modded to have series options. A lot more options and fatter tone. Cost less than replacement pickups. The low output is better suited to doing series mods.
By your smile, I think that little cyclone is your favorite guitar.
For any Stratocaster I've ever had, I place a jumper on the selector switch to add the bridge to the middle pickup tone control. In some cases, I put the neck and middle on one tone control and the bridge on its own tone control. You could get crazy and get no load tone control on the bridge tone control so it can be switched off to get that harsh/brittle tone if you have a darker amp or need something that really cuts through the mix.
thats a smart mod
60 Cycle Hum I have my moments...😂
Most strats from Fender now ship with the tone 2 for the bridge and the middle with the neck on tone 1. I have an American professional which came with the middle and bridge on tone 2 like your mod and I definitely prefer that. I don’t know when they changed the wiring. It had to be after 2012 I think though.
@@cameronulvila2237 I've only seen that on higher end Stratocasters. MIM/Squiers typically do not. Older/Vintage Stratocasters do not either. I have a 76 and replaced the entire worn wiring harness.
The DetroitBlues I don’t know about squier but the Vintera and Player Strats both say tone 2 for the bridge on the Fender site. I know that’s not traditional. It’s been like that for a few years but I’m not sure when they switched. I’m jealous of the 76. I love the big headstock.
Don't forget that the original Cyclone came with AVRI Jaguar pickups. I had one and it sounded wildly different. If you swap some Jag pickups into this thing I bet it would be amazing
Where would you get 3 matching jag pups? I thought about doing that but I'd have to order 2 sets.
@@Xxmeca421xX catch 22, dude
@@Xxmeca421xX get Bass VI ones, The CV Bass VI (N-S-N) is reverse magnetic field to the cyclone (S-N-S). The bass VI pickups are hotter nearer the nearer the bridge. The AVRIs have similar resistance, so mix and matching will be more vintage in nature.
I might ruffle some feathers but i was so dissapointed with this release. I love the og Cyclone so much and it just feels like they took the lazy way and just gave it strat parts. Shouldve at least gave it the jag pickups js
It's an improvement over the Mustang (terrible trem system), Duo Sonic (two pickups, no trem), Jaguar (awful bridge and trem; heavy). It's not an improvement over the Strat, but steals the best features of the strat. It takes the best of several guitars and puts it into a neat little package. It's like a modern player with vintage features. Very cool.
The mustang trem looks so much better for the dead space area though. I've been thinking about ways to make it look better and think a big metal plate welded to the end would look cool and wouldn't affect the fender trem system but I can't weld or chrome anything lol. I will figure something out though!
The jaguar offset trem its super confortable wdym?.
If you shim the neck the stock bridge is flawless, I have 9 gauge in my jaguar and no matter how I abuse it any string pop out.
Jaguars are like classic cars, you need to put effort into to get them running well. Not for everyone.
Well said! I like classic cars and guitars.@@siegfriedhecker3473
Shorter scale length means less string tension. Remove a spring or loosen the claw on the Super Sonic. Or go up a gauge on strings.
nice surfy demo on the cyclone. neat surf guitar
Since you asked. The Fender Toronato is 24 3/4 . Made from 1998 to 2004 and reissued recently as a Squier Paranormal.
Ryan, you sounded so sad about the t-shirts, it almost brought a tear to my eye. I know it won't be much help, but I'll buy 2 just to cheer you up. 😔
Nice comparison. I'm not a big fan of the Strat. Nothing against them, I've just never bonded with them. I'm more of a Gibson player. I prefer the tone and feel of them, however, sometimes I do want a more Fender-like tone, and I am liking the Cyclone the more you talk about it. The 24.75" scale length interests me. I was considering getting a Mustang because of the 24" scale, however, the Cyclone is sounding more and more of a better option to get a Fender Stra-like sound without needing to get a Strat.
This comparison was like Lou-Anne fighting George Foreman's daughter - yeah, she went the distance but it wasn't exactly a fair fight.
That guitar is so incredible that it changed the logo on your shirt. Insane!
I'd like to get one of these! Not a strat BUT.. can be STRATTY ENOUGH !! The PERFECT test would be both models with IDENTICAL PU's!!
Nice bit of surfadelic playing there at the beginning . . . "And you'll never hear surf music again." (JH)
I wanna get the shell pink one and put some fender Tex-Mex pickups in it, but I'm also interested in the older cyclones, I hadn't heard of them until this guitar came out and they seem right up my alley
Listening to the intro with my eyes closed, I heard immediately when you changed over to the strat. They're similar. Not the same.
It sounds more bell-like on some settings, like a Burns Cobra. I was going to replace my Burns with the Cyclone, but there's no need.
but is it a jaguar? #lol
i was thinking on getting the a new 2021 model, then i remembered i wanted a "shorter scale Strat" or a Mustang ... and this popped again after 4 months #Lololol
I would loosen the six top screws to make sure the trem has a free movement if it is "squishy" I really want a cyclone and wire it up in series.
i loosened them a little but i might do it more and then try to seat the bridge on the screws. it might be getting caught up on the screws somehow.
id say its a mix between a mustang (body shape), jaguar (switching), and strat (sss setup)
The fender version had Jaguar pickups. This would make a nice replacement in the Squier.
The pickups on the strat are way hotter or they are sitting higher... It kind of spoils the comparison
damn that cyclone vibrato bar is sure good
I’m waiting for mine to arrive. Can’t wait!
Great demo video! I learned a lot‼️😎🔥
Awesome video Ryan. It sounds to my ears like the strat had a bit better low end whereas the Cyclone is more bright and punchy! We’re you getting that?
I thought my next guitar would be a JM but this has such a sweet tone and it seems like it would take mods well
Very east bay ray on that intro 👍🏼
My thought as well!
Sweet playing there
Oh, and knowing you, If your going to replace those pickups, I think a set of pure vintage 59's would be the right call.
I have a Cyclone II 2005 just like the one you pictured. I would totally scan a tracing of the pick guard. For anyone
Could I actually take you up on this? If the screws lined up and it was just as simple as getting a Cylone II pickguard and dropping in Jaguar pickups I would do it
Ryan... The Cyclone and the Supersonic have different scale lengths. The Scale length on the Supersonic is shorter... So it's gonna feel squishier. You need higher guage strings if you want it to feel more like the Cyclone.
i already put heavier strings on the super sonic.
@@60CycleHumcast Beats me then. Could just be the fact that it's mass production; that's the great thing about it, nothing is ever the same. The action of the sattles might dictate the action of the trem unit. Higher sattles = thicker turning point from the block over the body. That combined with the scale length is going to make it very hard to make them feel exact. You might have to tighten truss rod, then lower action or vice versa. Depends which guitar has higher action. My guitar set ups are clean. I run a 7.5 radius with the strings only as low as you'd see on an ibanez. No buzz, perfect action.
aLCholIc gLoW. Nao SenSe oF Timm. Great video dude. It's nuanced, but there really is a huge sound difference between these guitars.
New to your channel, but loving all the reviews.
i really like the cyclone .
I love strat sounds but I hate the look of it. Don't know why. What can get the sound but in a different look? Maybe something in a single cut?
Ernie Ball Music Man Albert Lee.
@@drothberg3 that Is even worse looking.
The cyclone looks a bit better :D a mix of Strat/ Mustang
Thanks, I enjoyed and learned something on this comparison review. I had watched your unboxing video but wanted to ask is the body thickness of the Cyclone the same as the strat or is it thinner? Also how does that "slim C" neck on the Cyclone feel compared to the strat's modern C neck profile? Thanks in advance.
Dunno if this is before or after you floated the SuperSonic, but the 6 mounting screws for the bridge might be too tight.
Wuuut about a new pickguard for the cyclone C: something funky !! amazing episode, as always
ive thought about tortoise or even black, get some more contrast on there. i need to find a place that can supply or cut it for me because i dont want to deal with it myself, lol.
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Robert Nolan thanks! I’ll look him up
no, it's an SSS jaguarillo (as opposed to the pawnshop HSS model)
Hardly a fair comparison. Maybe a squier strat would be more appropriate?
speaking of shirts, is there a tshirt design for "Steveis and Burkehead"? Like on that pedal you guys have? That would be an awesome shirt or even better artwork for a new pedal run :D
The pickups on your Strat seemed a lot hotter but, not really better. Your wife has good taste.
The strat part of that opening jam reminded me of The Tea Party
I know what is not a strat but is similar:
Dipinto Galaxie 4
Excellent playing!
Kinda found all the Cyclone tones were too similar except all 3 on... I have headphones on bare in mind.
I normally favour offsets but don't really like the Cyclone compared to the Strat in this.
I’m trying to decide between getting a Cyclone and the much more expensive D’Angelico Bedford, mini-single-single guitar. Can’t decide yet. How’s the neck on the Cyclone?
🤔 would you compare them with two sets of the same pickups? I find the cyclone close enough kinda in the same territory.. not a total substitute but a different option. I can see myself getting the cyclone as im not a real fan of the strat look
that would be a ton of work. so no. sorry.
I still can't find any photos of one of these with the pickguard taken off to see what the pickup route looks like, if it's a swimming pool route i could see some fun mods going into one of these
This is what I need to know to buy one also
@@justinTime077 pulled the trigger and bought one, IT IS A SWIMMING POOL ROUTE
next stop, putting mini humbuckers in the neck and bridge with a strat lipstick style pickup in the middle.
Hey bro, you need to fix your lights. That pink guitar is reflecting all over your face and neck. 👍🏽👍🏽
the guitar is actually white, any pinkness is a reflection of my radioactive glow.
60 Cycle Hum that makes sense!
The wife or other halves who approve of what you do is what makes life better :)
The cyclone sounds a little choked on the bass response. But, still usable.
I thought it sounded like if you lowered the pickups on the strat, or raised the ones on the Cyclone, it’d be a closer match. Tone wise, not feel wise.
Just bought one. I was torn between the thinline cabronita and the cyclone, but I prefer offset and strat bodies. Hoping you will get a thinline cabronita to demo. Thanks!!!
Matthew Bergvall it’s looking like the thinline pickups are secret p-90s not true jazzmaster pickups. So I’m not 100% committed to getting one for the time being.
really good jam at the beginning damn!!!
I wanna get a cyclone and put 3 jaguar pickups in it. Maybe something different in the middle