Joe, I love the Porsche Panamera Turbo Sports Turismo GTS I love how and I feel like this is "THEE Apostle to the Luxury Wagons and you know you made It when you have a Porsche Wagon to haul your family that's truly the sign of success.
The Panamera GTS is a beautiful vehicle but I would have to go with the Audi RS6 Avant. It is also a fantastic looking ride and it's about 40K less expensive. However the surprise of 2024 could very well be the Jaguar F Pace SVR. Yes, it's an SUV but it's less then 100K and it's probably the best performing SUV on the market. Especially for the price. It punches why above it's weight class. Anyway, another fun video. Thank You. Cheers!!!
@@yurykorsky67 I haven’t driven one but it would be all fun n games until the warranty goes out and they would tell you how much per hour to fix it but I would go for the extended
When I got wind that Porsche would discontinue the Panamera ST for the 2024 MY refresh, I immediately sought out a 2023 MY ST in our area. There were not many around. I fortunately found one that met my requirements. Four months into ownership and driving around in various situations, I cannot be more pleased. The vehicle stands out and looks great. And it is so practical in loading things in the back. I hope Porsche reconsiders the ST body style in the future for its Panamera refresh.
Are those V8s? I was referring to V8s. Mercedes 5.5 and 6.3 would be considered massive, but compared to LS7 7.0 liter V8, even those are just big V8s.
I would probably just get an Audi RS Q8 and call it a day. It's basically the little brother of the Lambo Urus and has more utility than this car. There's no denying though, that the Panamera GTS is a sleek, sexy sport performance sedan.
I don’t think anyone has actually seen the front end of the new m5 touring in camouflaged but I guarantee the grill will be much smaller than the RS6. Let’s also not forget that the G81 M3 touring holds the record at the Nurburgring. It’s much lighter than the RS6. Thanks for holding my beer
Very nice car. And I agree with you Joe. How in the world does that car not have ventilated seats? Another great review. Please, if you ever get a chance, can you review an Audi RSQ8. That's my dream car right there.
Hey Joe, it's my understanding that the Porsche orderbook for the Panamera Sport Turismo remains open until March 2024. If true, then this s the Last Call for anyone who wants to get one of these in their driveway. Better hurry folks cuz February 2024 will go by faster than 911 GT3 in the fast lane!
I went from a 2013 Panamera GTS to a 2015 RS7, which is of course mechanically identical to the RS6. I then went back to Porsche when the Sport Turismo arrived, with a Turbo S/T. I now drive a '21 Panamera Turbo S S/T. I'm devastated that PCNA will no longer import the Panamera S/T in any of its versions. I cross shopped the RS6 when it was released, but my experience with the RS7 led me stay with Porsche. What nobody seems to comment on is the HUGE difference in handling between the Porsche and the Audi. The RS6, like all IE Audis, has its entire engine mounted ahead of the front axle. This leads to a car that when pushed will always understeer noticeably. The Porscfhe handling is much more neutral, particularly with the rear wheel steering. Yes, there is a price delta. But comparing the two cars directly, the Porsche is way more car than the Audi.
As a wagon enthusiast, I drool over this car, along with the Audi RS6 Avant. Choosing between the two would be agonizingly difficult - I love both, although I'd say the Audi is more of a traditional station wagon, whereas the Sport Turismo is more of a chopped off wagon or extended hatchback, like the body style of a Golf GTI (although the Golf doesn't have that rear window behind the rear doors).
Nice review as usual but I never liked the panamera design, maybe I am purist guy but if Porsche would build a wagon akin to the bmw M3…slap on two motors with a 3.6 twin turbo v6, 600hp and it would kill everything out there..
It's a lot nicer than my mom's old Country Squire but it doesn't carry as much and the gas mileage is about the same. keep up the good reviews Joe because I'm going to have to get my wife a new car before nothing left but EVs.
For the right driver, the Panamera is a dream machine. Another super sport sedan with similar caché is the Maserati Quadraporte. The Audi doesn't have the mystique of of Porsche, so it's not comparable to me. My choice? Tough call, but... Porsche Panamera
Oddly enough probably majority of people actually like it that fill out all their marketing surveys but the ones that don’t like it are the ones like you and me that are the few but just make the comments on here but it doesn’t make it to the actual marketing
One of my favorite cars.The way it looks the way it drives and the back seats up are amazing, and down gives you a serious amount of room! It' so much more useful than a Carerra or Cayman, and way more cool and sublime looking than the Cayenne or Macan. Def would take it over the Audi, even though I have always dug that car also.
I will have to watch this video couple more times. It is interesting how can Porsche successfully compete with lets say Ferrari by applying different philosophy of design and producing pure simple form. Every panel is beautiful on its own and the result is a timeless symbol of the brand. This vehicle will be missed.
I dunno, I know many Ferrari owners that also owed Porsches, but when someone is in the market for a Ferrari, they don't cross shop with a Porsche or vice versa. Camaro/Mustang, Ferrari/Lamborghini, BMW/Audi, etc....yes, Ferrari/Porsche, no.
The solution to the RS6 and the gloss black is to not option it with the gloss black trim and have it be in matte silver trim, which I prefer over the gloss black.
For 2024, it's not longer the RS6 Avant, but RS6 Avant Performance. The Turismo is my dream Porsche, but I'll take the RS6 Avant Performance, saving myself $60K in the process.
It pains me if they go to an EV for the panamera. My mom has one a 2023 panamera platinum edition in this exact color. Dude. It sounds insane. I drive it here n there and that engine makes it feel like a special occasion everytime. Its all about the engine not the speed even tho its fast af. That sound is what makes me want to drive it
sadly they discontinued the sport turismo that makes me very sad its such a beautiful car
I totally agree with you!
sadly？ you are not going to buy one anyway
@@Bruce0617coming from the guy who probs drives a beaten up fiat 500 from 2002
Wait, what!?!? They discontinued the Sport Turismo? As a wagon enthusiast, this is one of my ultimate dream cars.
@@clothestravelthey haven’t cancelled it. They have redesigned it and the sports turismo will come out later. You might not get it in the USA lol
I have to agree with you Joe this porsche is sick awesome review 🎉
I’m glad you can agree my friend!
Turbo's and GTS Sport Turismo's are (not so distance) future classic's without a doubt! Love my 2018, will NEVER sell it.
These saloons will never become classics😂
@@G0ddEityawesomethey absolutely will
Joe, I love the Porsche Panamera Turbo Sports Turismo GTS I love how and I feel like this is "THEE Apostle to the Luxury Wagons and you know you made It when you have a Porsche Wagon to haul your family that's truly the sign of success.
That is fantastic to hear Luis!
@@RaitisRides Thank you Joe I'd love to see a Mercedes-Maybach S580 "THEE ULTRA APOSTLE TO THE LUXURY SEDANS" and when you do, plz do me a shout out.
@@LuisUrbietastay tuned!
The Panamera GTS is a beautiful vehicle but I would have to go with the Audi RS6 Avant. It is also a fantastic looking ride and it's about 40K less expensive. However the surprise of 2024 could very well be the Jaguar F Pace SVR. Yes, it's an SUV but it's less then 100K and it's probably the best performing SUV on the market. Especially for the price. It punches why above it's weight class. Anyway, another fun video. Thank You. Cheers!!!
I totally agree but the only thing that I worry about is the reliability of the F Pace other than that the F Pace is the one that I would want
Have you driven F Pace SVR? The ride is brutally stiff, otherwise excellent SUV, and if you have warranty, who cares about reliability.
@@yurykorsky67 I haven’t driven one but it would be all fun n games until the warranty goes out and they would tell you how much per hour to fix it but I would go for the extended
Used GTS is the way to go!
Word. That’s what I did. Best sedan ever.
Love at first sight since it came out. Hands down my favorite Porsche from the entire line up.
Wow that is a serious statement!
My dream car! Love porsche and love wagons
Dream big
When I got wind that Porsche would discontinue the Panamera ST for the 2024 MY refresh, I immediately sought out a 2023 MY ST in our area. There were not many around. I fortunately found one that met my requirements. Four months into ownership and driving around in various situations, I cannot be more pleased. The vehicle stands out and looks great. And it is so practical in loading things in the back. I hope Porsche reconsiders the ST body style in the future for its Panamera refresh.
I still like the 2023 911 ST in baby blue with the white wheels!!
Oh trust me I do!
Can't compare!! 2 different cars with very different purposes
lol meanwhile you can see the Speedo in the heads up display 😅 love it. Amazing car
Dream sport sedan love it!!!!
You nailed it!
Raiti, I wouldn't necessarily call a 4.0L massive!😂
Still pretty big when everyone else is doing 2.7s and 3.5s
Are those V8s? I was referring to V8s. Mercedes 5.5 and 6.3 would be considered massive, but compared to LS7 7.0 liter V8, even those are just big V8s.
Yes, perhaps you are correct given the current trend of small displacement V8s.
You’re the best thing that has come to car sales in a long time! You do more for car sales than people that actually sell the cars I bet..lol😂
That is awesome of you to say!
In a perfect world, the RS6 avant- body with the Porsche reliability and the GT3s depreciation Errr, appreciation
I would probably just get an Audi RS Q8 and call it a day. It's basically the little brother of the Lambo Urus and has more utility than this car.
There's no denying though, that the Panamera GTS is a sleek, sexy sport performance sedan.
Everyone is going to have their favorites
My dream spots station wagon as a family guy of three daughters they would love this!!!!
That sounds awesome!
5:14
I got to say, I got to go with you on this one.
A red Panamera GTS would complement those black door handles so much better.
Great minds think a like
Panamera over RS6, I'm just sold on this car. Thanks for the review....
You are so very welcome for that!
Just picked up a 18k mile 4S Sport Turismo. We love it!
Beautiful car! ❤
I’m glad that you love this one
Gotta love the wagon look 💪
I’m a long time subscriber that loves your energy, humor and effort!
That's a gorgeous wagon/shooting brake, but the Audi RS6 Avant is the king of performance wagons.🔥
New M5 touring with 720 hp, “hold my beer”. 😅
I don’t think anyone has actually seen the front end of the new m5 touring in camouflaged but I guarantee the grill will be much smaller than the RS6. Let’s also not forget that the G81 M3 touring holds the record at the Nurburgring. It’s much lighter than the RS6. Thanks for holding my beer
@@Bimmer_Bill my bad I was thinking of the m3 touring
I wish they kept the naturally aspirated v8 in these. They sounded SO good, the turbo v8 is clearly faster, but so muted
Such a beautiful machine! I dig the "on-throttle" reviews!
Thanks for saying that and letting me share it with you!
I'll definitely get this than Audi RS6... Porsche engineers are the best 💪
The sport Turismo one of the most beautiful cars ever. Definitely the best looking luxury sport wagon on the market. Dream Car!!
Joe, it’s about time you reviewed a REAL car. Thank you! 🚗 💨
I am glad that I can finally make you happy!
Very nice car. And I agree with you Joe. How in the world does that car not have ventilated seats? Another great review. Please, if you ever get a chance, can you review an Audi RSQ8. That's my dream car right there.
I will track one down for you!
This suv is better then rs6 avant looks like a wagon to me 💯
I’m so glad you like this one Jimmy.
Hey Joe, it's my understanding that the Porsche orderbook for the Panamera Sport Turismo remains open until March 2024. If true, then this s the Last Call for anyone who wants to get one of these in their driveway. Better hurry folks cuz February 2024 will go by faster than 911 GT3 in the fast lane!
Thanks for the time and effort you put into these videos! 👍
You are so very welcome! I really appreciate that so much!
Very nice video Joe.
Thanks for letting me share it with you.
@@RaitisRidesYou're welcome too Joe.
@@Aschoolbusandsimulatorfanyou’re the beat
Im gonna have to zonk that Puma shirt with Addidas shoes.....😉
LOL Good call!
Too bad Puma doesn't sponsor you, them gas/brake pedal shots are 👌
Yes it is 😁
Heck yeah
Have you ever thought of doing night POV driving impressions, Raiti?
I have but I feel like it’s not for me.
@RaitisRides Nothing wrong with that!
@@DarkJediChrisG-1425thanks for understanding
This is one nice piece of machine....but I think I'd take the audi by looks--"exterior design". I don't even know for sure😢❤❤❤❤
It’s a tough choice for sure!
To me sport turismo is the better version of panamere
This Porsche Panamera GTS is the only vehicle that would entice me away from the Audi RS6 Avant! Thanks, Joe, for this great review.
I am so glad that I could bring it to you David!
I went from a 2013 Panamera GTS to a 2015 RS7, which is of course mechanically identical to the RS6. I then went back to Porsche when the Sport Turismo arrived, with a Turbo S/T. I now drive a '21 Panamera Turbo S S/T. I'm devastated that PCNA will no longer import the Panamera S/T in any of its versions. I cross shopped the RS6 when it was released, but my experience with the RS7 led me stay with Porsche. What nobody seems to comment on is the HUGE difference in handling between the Porsche and the Audi. The RS6, like all IE Audis, has its entire engine mounted ahead of the front axle. This leads to a car that when pushed will always understeer noticeably. The Porscfhe handling is much more neutral, particularly with the rear wheel steering. Yes, there is a price delta. But comparing the two cars directly, the Porsche is way more car than the Audi.
I find that the handles accentuate the fact that it's a "4 dr Porche", so I'm feelin' 'em for this Porsh Touring...Word.
I agree the turismo over the regular looks better
You have great taste!
Hey Joe, I can't wait for your CES 2024 coverage this year 👍🏻
Unfortunately Lori & I chose not to go. It really is not the best return on investment for us.
@RaitisRides No problem, Joe. We can still look forward to the Chicago Auto Show in February and NY Auto show in March 👍🏻
@@DarkJediChrisG-1425I’m excited for those and can’t bring you the cars
FYI if you get the GTS interior package, which this car has, you can't get ventilated seats because of the Alcantara.
Thanks for the heads up
Some of the most desirable vehicles don't deserve to be on the chopping block such as this Porsche, I love the body style over the sedan!
Shocked to have 5 zonks in a $176K Porsche!!
Yeah, Joe was having a zonkathon there. I guess it needed a refresh.
As a wagon enthusiast, I drool over this car, along with the Audi RS6 Avant. Choosing between the two would be agonizingly difficult - I love both, although I'd say the Audi is more of a traditional station wagon, whereas the Sport Turismo is more of a chopped off wagon or extended hatchback, like the body style of a Golf GTI (although the Golf doesn't have that rear window behind the rear doors).
You are so very right about that!
Amazing review Joe.
You can say that again!
Great review. Love the content and this vehicle is awesome
Thank you Neville for taking the time to say that!
Lol love your reviews. You would make an "on speed" review of a one and a half cylinder three speed Yugo entertaining.
RS6 Avant has a lot more power and it looks better inside and out. Easy choice if I wanted to drop 150k on a sport wagon.
This vs the RS6 is a really tough call. I could go either way depending on my mood. They’re both pretty equally great
Joe and Lori and Steve keep up the good work real true and I love the video real true 💯💯👍 I love this car look good 👍
You are the man Dominick!
I remember that a Porsche Panamera GTS has been a lot of more many cars in the world.
But that's along time ago for the old school Porsche 911 Turbo.
So very true
Indeed sir.
But the time has come for a lot of more Porsche for the Future of the Dealership's.
It's definitely better, however, the Taycan Turbo is the one to buy.
Nothing wrong with that!
Nice review as usual but I never liked the panamera design, maybe I am purist guy but if Porsche would build a wagon akin to the bmw M3…slap on two motors with a 3.6 twin turbo v6, 600hp and it would kill everything out there..
I love it! I wish I could afford it. Panamera every time for me over the Audi. Great review!
Thank you for letting me share it with you!
Full throttle!! There here goes!!!
Gorgeous 😮😮!!
You are so very right about that!
It's a lot nicer than my mom's old Country Squire but it doesn't carry as much and the gas mileage is about the same. keep up the good reviews Joe because I'm going to have to get my wife a new car before nothing left but EVs.
You got it Alan!
To be insanely picky I don't like like the silver on the outer rim. Be nicer all black. Great review Joe !
Thanks for your honesty & support
I agree 💯
Love your vids!!
For the right driver, the Panamera is a dream machine. Another super sport sedan with similar caché is the Maserati Quadraporte. The Audi doesn't have the mystique of of Porsche, so it's not comparable to me. My choice? Tough call, but...
Porsche Panamera
Very well said!
The black rims and red calipers sure look good on it. 👍
It really pops nicely!
@@RaitisRides Totally agree.
why many people from US calls it Porschaaa, its Porsche or Porsch
Big fan of this for sure, designed well, color, love the rims.
This car has such a beautiful shape
it's a mystery how car companies continue to use so much piano black for their interiors despite 0 people liking it
Tell me about it. The challenge is I’m sure it’s very cost effective
Oddly enough probably majority of people actually like it that fill out all their marketing surveys but the ones that don’t like it are the ones like you and me that are the few but just make the comments on here but it doesn’t make it to the actual marketing
If you get pulled over… please let us see it 😅😅
Don’t jinx me…..Geesh
100% want that... Nothing else.
RS6 all the way Joe!!
Man❤
That's a Nice Sports Car🚘
No shade tree mechanic🏡
🛠🔩🔧
WORKING ON THIS CAR⛽
One of my favorite cars.The way it looks the way it drives and the back seats up are amazing, and down gives you a serious amount of room! It' so much more useful than a Carerra or Cayman, and way more cool and sublime looking than the Cayenne or Macan. Def would take it over the Audi, even though I have always dug that car also.
You have great taste Andrew!
Thank you and ditto to you! Love your reviews!@@RaitisRides
We went with a Panamera Sport Turismo over the Audi RS6 Avant. Liked the ride and dash layout better in the Porsche.
That is so fantastic to hear! Thank you for sharing that!
Beautiful !!
You have great taste Juan!
Guards Red with black wheels.
I will have to watch this video couple more times. It is interesting how can Porsche successfully compete with lets say Ferrari by applying different philosophy of design and producing pure simple form. Every panel is beautiful on its own and the result is a timeless symbol of the brand. This vehicle will be missed.
I dunno, I know many Ferrari owners that also owed Porsches, but when someone is in the market for a Ferrari, they don't cross shop with a Porsche or vice versa. Camaro/Mustang, Ferrari/Lamborghini, BMW/Audi, etc....yes, Ferrari/Porsche, no.
Why can’t Subaru think to make a good looking car like this. Even with a 2.0 engine I would buy it lol.
Can’t afford a new one - but a 2016 Panamera GTS with 50k miles is only $40k right now
Because they are not Porsche
Subaru is too busy covering their vehicles in chunky black plastic to make them good looking.
Subaru does make a fast wagon, it's just not sold in the States. See the Levorg STI R.
What's with the Raiti's logo over the speedometer? So "they" don't have evidence of speeding? 😅
Best looking family car
I love your reviews but please stop asking if x is better than y when you don’t compare the vehicles! ❤
Thanks for your feedback
@@RaitisRides I’m a bit of a fan, I was so excited when I saw you in Austin, my hometown, keep up the great work! ❤️
Fantastic ! 🌟
Thank you for letting me share it with you!
Went with the Taycan GTS ST ⚡️
I love those as well
The solution to the RS6 and the gloss black is to not option it with the gloss black trim and have it be in matte silver trim, which I prefer over the gloss black.
I am talking about the gigantic grill
Ultimate butt hauler is right! Since dodge stopped making the magnum this is the coolest wagon around. Porsche should give one to snoop dog. Cheers
You can keep or delete the rear wiper on 911s, if that’s an option for this car, I’d definitely delete the rear wiper!
Awesome car!
One day…
Hopefully no issues with that AVWG group v8 and its BSG.
Fingers crossed!!
Rs6 all dsy
Thanks for your vote
rips the 1/4 mile in 11.7 seconds which for 460hp is insane, that v8 is def making closer to 520 IMO.
For 2024, it's not longer the RS6 Avant, but RS6 Avant Performance. The Turismo is my dream Porsche, but I'll take the RS6 Avant Performance, saving myself $60K in the process.
That sounds like a plan.
Dream vehicle
How does this guy ALWAYS know what I'm thinking?
Hearing that price was a gut punch.
Most Porsche prices are.
QUIT IT WITH THE 🔥🔥🔥 VIDEOS I AINT WON THE LOTTERY YET!!!
I am in the same boat as you! LOL
Wow, I don’t even know what to say about this one. LOL
Is that a good thing?
@@RaitisRidesyes !! 👍
Beautiful.
I am so glad you like this Porsche David!
Mom wagon. Why not add wood paneling to the side like the Country Squire.
You can’t have ventilated seats with the 18-way adjustable sports seats and the Alcantara
It pains me if they go to an EV for the panamera. My mom has one a 2023 panamera platinum edition in this exact color. Dude. It sounds insane. I drive it here n there and that engine makes it feel like a special occasion everytime. Its all about the engine not the speed even tho its fast af. That sound is what makes me want to drive it
You are so very right about that!