A conflicting listen for a couple of reasons. I like the podcast but listening to them talk about the period of the Afghanistan/Iraq wars laughing and joking without any sense of culpability is tough. And also the repeated references to the man being a committed Christian yet complicit in the amount of death and destruction that happened overseas (and still ongoing today) is rather uncomfortable listening. But I suppose that is the nature of this podcast in presenting such opposing viewpoints. However, there's no doubt that the Middle Eastern wars contributed to the disillusionment with our traditional political class, as well as a significant rise in refugee populations, leading to the rise of populist figures - which is totally overlooked.
To blithely say that "people make mistakes" when millions told him it was a mistake at the time, and after millions dead, is utterly revolting. He does come across as charming, but that just reminds one of the banality of evil.
It's the entertainment by the devilment in it, the chaos that attracts low conscientiousness voters. Others see the bullying sociopathic self centered narcissist personality who lies ALL the time and are disgusted and repelled.
@@martydav9475I remember the report in The Lancet estimated 600,000 violent deaths plus 50,000(?) other excess deaths. Other estimates are all above 100,000. Not “millions” but still a lot of people. And that doesn’t quantify the injuries and untold suffering which will have affected millions. For what?!?
I can hardly listen to this man. He may be lying to himself as much as to Cameron and Rory, but he's still a liar. Really lacking any insight into his role in poisoning American politics. He thinks very highly of himself, without grounds to do so.
This your first time listening to a member of the Bush Administration? They almost all have this way of talking, it's very strange. It's like they're seeing the world through a filter.
The greatest condemnation of the political class is the capacity to learn absolutely nothing, while presenting this lack of self-awareness as a virtue. 😕
Two things: when Hillary attended the 9/11 memorial then slumped into the car, she had pneumonia; so this impression that she displayed weakness is quite shallow. Second: Hillary beat Trump by 2.3 million popular votes and lost the Electoral College by
They often invite views different to their own. Besides the fact that Rory and Alastair don't agree, they try to encourage just listening and they help listeners to understand the views' context better. Eg They had both sides of the Palestinian Israeli conflict. They had Theresa May (not Alastair's buddy). We're not supposed to agree with the guests. We're supposed to understand them better.
Yep, Dubya turned away from the technocratic Clinton era tendencies and when challenged used "truthiness" for incorrect things that felt true to Republican voters. They were shameless and pushed through things that suited them and narrow interests. Climate denialism and Brexit enjoy the cover of such sloppiness, while the neo-Cons long posited invasion of Iraq was the over reach that has strained the world order, because the sole super power had no governor to avoid destabilising the world
A remarkable interview and the insights into how democracy has changed are incredibly powerful - especially the nod to the roles that Alistair and Tucker played in the early stages of those changes.
So many lines to read between. I wonder if your guest today understood how he also seems to have been affected by this contagion of self-protection that has swept through US politics, regardless of his current standing within the sphere.
The single biggest issue in both the UK and US is in the desperate need for electoral reform. Both need compulsory voting and need to ditch First Past the Post and adopt Alternative Vote aka Ranked Choice/Instant Runoff voting. Amazing the people of the UK actually voted against adopting it in 2011.
I, for one (and history shows, one of many) voted against the 2011 initiative because the proposed system was unnecessarily complicated, well-nigh unworkable. No doubt that was the objective in introducing it. If a workable system on the lines you suggest were introduced (and it can certainly be done) I'd be all for it. Also agree compulsory voting would be great but I bet the majority will never support that - especially employers who don't like giving time off!
@@annphillips1086 We have both compulsory voting and Alternative Vote in Australia for federal and state lower houses and have done for a century. Both are entirely workable and not at all complicated. Elections are scheduled on the weekend and people can both pre-poll and postal vote. No problem. What is actually complicated about AV? You number your preferences 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc until all boxes are numbered, that's it. You can vote for who you want and if they don't win your vote goes to your second candidate, etc. Your vote will not be wasted if you vote for an independent or small party who won't likely win, no need for strategic voting. Are British people not able to number boxes from 1 to about 6, 7 or 8?
@@soulsphere9242 To be honest I don't remember the details, it was over a decade ago. The system you describe shouldn't blow anyone's mind, so there must have been more to it than that. The background is that it was a coalition government and the price of the minority partner's (Lib Dem) support was a referendum on AV, whilst the majority party (Tory of course) was not keen but had to go through the motions, and it showed. I was also aware that Australia has compulsory voting and don't have a problem with it, I just can't see it being adopted in the UK any time soon. These things should be covered in schools as standard but I don't think they are these days. As for whether we're able to number boxes all the way to 8 - I wouldn't bank on it...
@@annphillips1086 Thanks for the reply. It would make sense that the Lib Dems would promote AV as it benefits everyone other than the Torys and Labor. I was last in the UK in 2011 and still have family there. I would like to go back sometime this decade, it really didn't feel that unfamiliar for an Australian. Take care!
Oh god. One can only imagine what Rory must have been thinking with his far superior intellect. A train wreck for the interviewee. Would love to see more women on the podcasts as guests.
It’s very interesting how people across the globe, and across political lines (but not quite at the fringes of the right or the left) see polarization of ideas and people as something that needs be stopped.
Rory and Alastair, love you both. BUT, the extremely weak discussion on Afghanistan / Iraq is journalism at its worst. Why even mention the topic if we are going to regurgitate USA limbic responses to the terror of 9/11 and add ZERO to common knowledge. We all know what was discussed, this is the GUY that shaped our thinking about it WHICH WAS TOTALLY wrong, and was involved in the CRAP strategy in the end. He DODGED the obvious bullet of being responsible for terrible foreign policy. How could you both let him go!? Of all people involved in the SHIT hole that is Iraq and Afghanistan, Rory should be the HARSHEST of critics. As an ex-professor?, as a civil servant, a backbencher deep in it, with a heart for history and culture, he should be asking the most difficult of questions about WHY the state is so stupid and slow to come around. Why it fails in grand strategy, WHY it picked the wrong fight, WHY we are much like the Soviet Union in the 80's perhaps. Why we WASTE so much resources / people on stupid ideas. I like you both. I like the idea of this podcast, civil servants reflecting on difficult topics, with other civil servants. BUT, if this goes on much further, it's going to help no one, going to fail, and end up as the most depressing podcast in history. Helpless individual politicians reflecting on a seemingly helpless time in politics, give or take peace in Ireland.
Wow! Clinton was not a likeable person, so Trump. Okay, there was a bit more to it than that but, blimey, absolutely nothing that would justify a sentient being thinking, "I prefer Trump." Americans who voted for Trump in 2016 remain as complete a mystery as they ever were.
I can agree. To me, although I do believe we need strong people in office, it's WHAT is lauded as being strong or weak that is the most disgusting. If that makes sense?
@@BohemianRaichuNewsome is a known slimeball and lacks effective charisma with Midwest swing voters. Cali voters maybe but they aren’t who joe needs to win. Really Joe should have stepped back as a one term pres and let the party primary a candidate with hotter blood in their veins fight the general while he focused on governing
Wow, listening to Tucker write off Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris without naming a single reason why they aren’t capable, or on policy grounds, sure is offensive.
he directly mentioned the secret email scandal & the fact she was seen as another product of the party - think of how boris & truss are portrayed as reincarnating thatcher; then imagine campbell describing them to an american audience who only have 2 parties for voters to consider (as a comparison, could you ever imagine any context where campbell voting tory?) - as for not citing policy, blame rory & alistair for not asking; they were too busy focusing on religion, with alistair letting his bias as an atheist out with both producing some offensive questions that they'd ask politicians of no other religion
Look what the London papers do, slogans and over simplification, heavily skewed information pushing some agendas and burying other issues. Clinton had a long running Congress committee inquiry smear tactic looking for dirt over Benghazi. There were the Qanon conspiracy rumours. In 2016 experience was turned into a liability with many voters. It comes down to the distrust as the banking crisis exposed the complacency of past government in the long boom.
The Establishment Guest here and Establishment Uniparty Presenters here dont understand Trump and dont care or want to understand why people support Trump.
What a show. The only political show i watch, being an Indian. We need to hope. Thanx to the two of you for your work! Bdw, u have an Indian origin PM...a big Indian election is coming up...maybe you can rope in an Indian in one of your shows before May.
@@Stashley78 It’s true that Reagan was the first celebrity president, but there is a huge difference between him and Palin in terms of their populist rhetoric
It started with the Tea Party, Palin latched onto that. Even that has changed now though. We now have the "alt right", (fascists), empowered through 4chan and meme culture supported by evangelical Christians because there is no hate like Christian love or something. They would rather support Trump and his racism, nationalism and disregard because he makes them feel like winners, even as they watch armed fascist militias try to storm the White House. If it wasn't so serious I would feel sorry for them.
@@Brokout He also said history is an ocean into which many rivers feed. Such is the case when looking for Trump precursors in the RNC, the DNC, and American culture more broadly.
As an Englishman living here in the U.S.over 50 years it is even much more difficult to unravel the situation in this election year than even your guest admits.I think that the issues that will decide this will be abortion,pro and con.Open border,cost of living,lack of decent paying jobs,gun and drug control,wokeism,religion,race and wars non of these issues can be realistically be addressed by an ageing bumbling old man or a crazy habitual liar.
The duration of the most iconic Russian movie "Brother 2" (122 minutes and forty seconds) in terms of years (assuming that each minute of the movie equals one year) is 122 years and eight months (40 seconds - 2/3 minute - 2/3 year - 8 months). This time period - 122 years and eight months - is equal to the time interval between the birthday of the KGB founder Dzerzhinsky (September 11, 1877) and the day of the premiere of the film "Brother 2" (May 11, 2000).
I live 1 state over from Eskew’s home state, and we could not be more different. I am totally unreligious, and believe the church has no role in government. While I agree with much of what he said, I am a life-long Democrat. He sounds like an old school reasonable Republican, but the political scene and his party have changed in the extreme. Today’s extreme GOP has been in the works for at least 45 years. We never, ever should have been in Iraq and probably not Afghanistan. The US must maintain its place on the global stage. His cracks about the far left are bogus….
The guest's shibboleths peaked and are in decline. Neoconservatism, neoliberalism, the Republican party, and American mainline Protestant Christianity.
Those that went on the 'Stop the war' March would not have changed their mind about the damage( and deaths) the war brought about - and did. The terms Democrat and Republican( Labour and Conservative) seem to have changed places recently.
The Stop the War organisation was, and remains, a disreputable organisation. I heard one of its leaders refer to British forces in Afghanistan as "mass murderers" and following the appalling Bataclan terrorist attacks in Paris in November 2015 another of its leaders responded by saying " Franc is reaping the whirlwind of its actions" - not one word of condemnation of the terrorists, not one word of sympathy for the victims. Tristram Hunt was right to call it a disreputable organisation.
i love these discussions, *but* i am always aware of the extent to which crucial Eco-logical considerations are essentially a complete aporia to political discourse? My hypothesis is that essentially mute beings cannot intrude in the essentially discursive sphere.
That's simplistic the media spent 40 years tearing Clinton to shreds. For her whole political life even as the spouse of the candidate they cut and besmirched. If you wonder why she's unpopular just look at her coverage.
Shame Mr Ted Sorensen is no longer with us. Would have been a great guest for this podcast to learn how JFK led. Seems like, in some circles, his presidency is viewed mainly through the sad “six seconds in Dallas.” Whatever the genesis of the Cuban Missile Crisis, President Kennedy and Premier Khrushchev had to negotiate an elusive peace.
I get and respect their attempts at taking down the temperature in political debate, but they were way too quick to accept the whole "There were some discussions of potential improprieties that aren't worth discussing" thing with the 2000 primaries. I'm 99% sure he's referring to the "John McCain had a black baby" stories that circulated in South Carolina during the primary season. There's tough politics, and aggressive support of your position, but that sort of thing is the vile playing to the lowest common denominator that Lee Atwater excelled in, and helped lead to...gee, if only there were an American political figure who traffics in that sort of thing now.
Lee Atwater created the Southern Strategy by which Nixon, Reagan, et al used coded language as a racist dog whistle to white voters. That and his Wedge Issues were so effective that the same strategy is now used by the Democratic Party.
I was very impressed by Eskew; almost to a point of thinking he ought to be running for office himself. But how can you trust the judgement of someone who reads the Bible and says, ' Yeah, that sounds like truth to me'?
the GOP is essentially built from the ground up from psychotic partisan hacks who believe that all elections are rigged, Joe Biden is somehow dictator but also demented, Trump is still the President, we should have stayed and left Afghanistan at the same time. These people are in no position to nominate anyone reasonable.
So like the proverbial broken-clock he's going to vote for the right choice for the second time in his life......but hopes he can go back to the wrong side in future. Way to grow Tucker!!
I hear how people say how bad Trump is but what has he actually done and why do Rory and Alister worry about him coming into power so badly? I’m not defending him, I don’t know if he’s good or bad, I genuinely want to know what he’s done and plans to do to make my own judgment.
your guys access to the people who made history in the 90s is invaluable in the podcast world
Jfc
This is perhaps one of the first times I've not known about the guest before listening - incredibly interesting nonetheless.
The best political discussion on MyTube. Thanks guys
A conflicting listen for a couple of reasons. I like the podcast but listening to them talk about the period of the Afghanistan/Iraq wars laughing and joking without any sense of culpability is tough. And also the repeated references to the man being a committed Christian yet complicit in the amount of death and destruction that happened overseas (and still ongoing today) is rather uncomfortable listening. But I suppose that is the nature of this podcast in presenting such opposing viewpoints. However, there's no doubt that the Middle Eastern wars contributed to the disillusionment with our traditional political class, as well as a significant rise in refugee populations, leading to the rise of populist figures - which is totally overlooked.
The teaspoon comment is a quote from Winston Churchill.
Most of the refugees haven't come from Iraq or Afghanistan they've come from Syria.
he also blamed biden for the afghanistan withdrawal, that's the one the republican party set in motion as a deliberate trap for biden
agreeed, this conversation was a waste of time.
agree and there he was talking about cognitive dissonance … such hypocrisy
Excellent! Thank you.
"It's like Machiavelli on steroids"
-Rory Stewart 2024
😂😂😂
Thanks for the great series ❤
To blithely say that "people make mistakes" when millions told him it was a mistake at the time, and after millions dead, is utterly revolting.
He does come across as charming, but that just reminds one of the banality of evil.
It's the entertainment by the devilment in it, the chaos that attracts low conscientiousness voters.
Others see the bullying sociopathic self centered narcissist personality who lies ALL the time and are disgusted and repelled.
Where did "millions" die? Give a source for that figure.
@@martydav9475 1.1mi died due to Covid in the USA alone. The UK government were also shambolic and deceitful in their response too.
@@martydav9475MIT has Iraqi deaths at between 800k and 1.4M, with 4.5M displaced from their homes, during Bush’s presidency.
@@martydav9475I remember the report in The Lancet estimated 600,000 violent deaths plus 50,000(?) other excess deaths. Other estimates are all above 100,000. Not “millions” but still a lot of people. And that doesn’t quantify the injuries and untold suffering which will have affected millions. For what?!?
I can hardly listen to this man. He may be lying to himself as much as to Cameron and Rory, but he's still a liar. Really lacking any insight into his role in poisoning American politics. He thinks very highly of himself, without grounds to do so.
On the whole he spoke admirably.
This your first time listening to a member of the Bush Administration?
They almost all have this way of talking, it's very strange. It's like they're seeing the world through a filter.
The greatest condemnation of the political class is the capacity to learn absolutely nothing, while presenting this lack of self-awareness as a virtue. 😕
This about the hosts?
@@ejws1575 The guest principally but the hosts are guilty of this in their own way as well.
Campbell in particular.
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Did they hide the fact that he is a religious fanatic?
@@RPaton not hardly. Though he is an ‘episcopalian’
Two things: when Hillary attended the 9/11 memorial then slumped into the car, she had pneumonia; so this impression that she displayed weakness is quite shallow. Second: Hillary beat Trump by 2.3 million popular votes and lost the Electoral College by
Yessss what a mistake to choose traitor Trump over Hillary.
The diversity of opinion on this show is stunning lol.
surely thats a joke lol. They all agree on everything
I can't think of a show with less diversity of opinion
They only invite people they agree with. You can praise the show without saying nonsense.
I love the show but if they invited on someone who thought there were reasonable bases on which to support Trump hell would freeze over
They often invite views different to their own. Besides the fact that Rory and Alastair don't agree, they try to encourage just listening and they help listeners to understand the views' context better. Eg They had both sides of the Palestinian Israeli conflict. They had Theresa May (not Alastair's buddy).
We're not supposed to agree with the guests. We're supposed to understand them better.
I agree with Rory in that there is no recognition from him of the role he played in creating the political climate someone like Trump could exploit.
Yep, Dubya turned away from the technocratic Clinton era tendencies and when challenged used "truthiness" for incorrect things that felt true to Republican voters.
They were shameless and pushed through things that suited them and narrow interests.
Climate denialism and Brexit enjoy the cover of such sloppiness, while the neo-Cons long posited invasion of Iraq was the over reach that has strained the world order, because the sole super power had no governor to avoid destabilising the world
A remarkable interview and the insights into how democracy has changed are incredibly powerful - especially the nod to the roles that Alistair and Tucker played in the early stages of those changes.
"He let those arrows bounce off him" translation "he was too stupid to notice when he was being called stupid."
I have to admit. You guys are brilliant at picking interesting topics to discuss.
Fascinating interview thanks all
Rory, please untangle the wire your earphones. I'm really OCD about tangled wires....LOL
Brilliant as usual and to be a swede i really like to get a great podcast with interesting people and great subjects. Keep up the good work
He has shown his prejudice with the Clinton comments.
A great podcast, it's hard not to enjoy every episode!
Excellent Interview! Great to have this Tucker (vs Tucker Carlson). 😀
At least tucker carlson doesn't believe all the evil stuff he says. Unlike this guy
So many lines to read between. I wonder if your guest today understood how he also seems to have been affected by this contagion of self-protection that has swept through US politics, regardless of his current standing within the sphere.
Mr Campbell your microphone cable is pulled too tightly on the stand ;-)
Excillent pod as usual
The single biggest issue in both the UK and US is in the desperate need for electoral reform. Both need compulsory voting and need to ditch First Past the Post and adopt Alternative Vote aka Ranked Choice/Instant Runoff voting. Amazing the people of the UK actually voted against adopting it in 2011.
I, for one (and history shows, one of many) voted against the 2011 initiative because the proposed system was unnecessarily complicated, well-nigh unworkable. No doubt that was the objective in introducing it. If a workable system on the lines you suggest were introduced (and it can certainly be done) I'd be all for it. Also agree compulsory voting would be great but I bet the majority will never support that - especially employers who don't like giving time off!
@@annphillips1086 We have both compulsory voting and Alternative Vote in Australia for federal and state lower houses and have done for a century. Both are entirely workable and not at all complicated. Elections are scheduled on the weekend and people can both pre-poll and postal vote. No problem. What is actually complicated about AV? You number your preferences 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc until all boxes are numbered, that's it. You can vote for who you want and if they don't win your vote goes to your second candidate, etc. Your vote will not be wasted if you vote for an independent or small party who won't likely win, no need for strategic voting.
Are British people not able to number boxes from 1 to about 6, 7 or 8?
@@soulsphere9242 To be honest I don't remember the details, it was over a decade ago. The system you describe shouldn't blow anyone's mind, so there must have been more to it than that. The background is that it was a coalition government and the price of the minority partner's (Lib Dem) support was a referendum on AV, whilst the majority party (Tory of course) was not keen but had to go through the motions, and it showed.
I was also aware that Australia has compulsory voting and don't have a problem with it, I just can't see it being adopted in the UK any time soon. These things should be covered in schools as standard but I don't think they are these days. As for whether we're able to number boxes all the way to 8 - I wouldn't bank on it...
@@annphillips1086 Thanks for the reply. It would make sense that the Lib Dems would promote AV as it benefits everyone other than the Torys and Labor. I was last in the UK in 2011 and still have family there. I would like to go back sometime this decade, it really didn't feel that unfamiliar for an Australian. Take care!
@@soulsphere9242 You too, and hope you have a good trip if you do make it.
35:48 The correct answer is Trump promised evangelicals new Supreme Court justices to overturn Roe v Wade.
Oh god. One can only imagine what Rory must have been thinking with his far superior intellect. A train wreck for the interviewee.
Would love to see more women on the podcasts as guests.
It’s very interesting how people across the globe, and across political lines (but not quite at the fringes of the right or the left) see polarization of ideas and people as something that needs be stopped.
Rory and Alastair, love you both. BUT, the extremely weak discussion on Afghanistan / Iraq is journalism at its worst. Why even mention the topic if we are going to regurgitate USA limbic responses to the terror of 9/11 and add ZERO to common knowledge. We all know what was discussed, this is the GUY that shaped our thinking about it WHICH WAS TOTALLY wrong, and was involved in the CRAP strategy in the end. He DODGED the obvious bullet of being responsible for terrible foreign policy. How could you both let him go!?
Of all people involved in the SHIT hole that is Iraq and Afghanistan, Rory should be the HARSHEST of critics. As an ex-professor?, as a civil servant, a backbencher deep in it, with a heart for history and culture, he should be asking the most difficult of questions about WHY the state is so stupid and slow to come around. Why it fails in grand strategy, WHY it picked the wrong fight, WHY we are much like the Soviet Union in the 80's perhaps. Why we WASTE so much resources / people on stupid ideas.
I like you both. I like the idea of this podcast, civil servants reflecting on difficult topics, with other civil servants. BUT, if this goes on much further, it's going to help no one, going to fail, and end up as the most depressing podcast in history. Helpless individual politicians reflecting on a seemingly helpless time in politics, give or take peace in Ireland.
Maybe host a few intellectuals from Iraq to see what they think about Mr. Eskew's statements.
Can't take my eyes off those headphone cable knots.
Its possibly a metaphore for, or signal from the political tumoil in the wearers head?
Totally disagree with the assessment of Iraq and the exhoneration of Blair and Bush.
needs timestamps
Ive never heard so much tosh in my life.
Literally the American version of Alistair Campbell - great guest.
Wow! Clinton was not a likeable person, so Trump. Okay, there was a bit more to it than that but, blimey, absolutely nothing that would justify a sentient being thinking, "I prefer Trump." Americans who voted for Trump in 2016 remain as complete a mystery as they ever were.
The ones who did in 2020 even more so, and some have already in 2024 despite the political violence and criminality
I can't help feeling that in US politics the perception of whether a candidate is strong or weak is deeply misogynistic
I can agree. To me, although I do believe we need strong people in office, it's WHAT is lauded as being strong or weak that is the most disgusting. If that makes sense?
Recommend reading: 'Renegade' by Adam Kinzinger. Another commentary on US politics by a Republican.
Insightfull
Gavin Newsom as a guest lads??? Or Ben Meiselas from Meidas Touch is an exceptional guy👍🏼
Biden should have chosen Newsom as his VP this time round, he is formidable.
Also, Harry Lipman, George Conway and the guys at Bulwark.
@@BohemianRaichuNewsome is a known slimeball and lacks effective charisma with Midwest swing voters. Cali voters maybe but they aren’t who joe needs to win. Really Joe should have stepped back as a one term pres and let the party primary a candidate with hotter blood in their veins fight the general while he focused on governing
In England…
"He stuck to those beliefs even when the facts that were presented to him were not correct." George W Bush in a nutshell 😂
Wow, listening to Tucker write off Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris without naming a single reason why they aren’t capable, or on policy grounds, sure is offensive.
he directly mentioned the secret email scandal & the fact she was seen as another product of the party - think of how boris & truss are portrayed as reincarnating thatcher; then imagine campbell describing them to an american audience who only have 2 parties for voters to consider (as a comparison, could you ever imagine any context where campbell voting tory?) - as for not citing policy, blame rory & alistair for not asking; they were too busy focusing on religion, with alistair letting his bias as an atheist out with both producing some offensive questions that they'd ask politicians of no other religion
Well, they don't treat white male Christians as tin gods.
Look what the London papers do, slogans and over simplification, heavily skewed information pushing some agendas and burying other issues.
Clinton had a long running Congress committee inquiry smear tactic looking for dirt over Benghazi. There were the Qanon conspiracy rumours.
In 2016 experience was turned into a liability with many voters. It comes down to the distrust as the banking crisis exposed the complacency of past government in the long boom.
They are women…Americans seem afraid to give a woman ultimate power.
The Establishment Guest here and Establishment Uniparty Presenters here dont understand Trump and dont care or want to understand why people support Trump.
Man i wish you guy get Jean-Chrétien on and ask him what he was thinking of Irak war ;)
That would be too corrosive to at least one of the hosts.
@@fburton8 Well Truth hurt :D
What a show. The only political show i watch, being an Indian. We need to hope. Thanx to the two of you for your work!
Bdw, u have an Indian origin PM...a big Indian election is coming up...maybe you can rope in an Indian in one of your shows before May.
Chosing Palin as the VP for McCain is what opened the door for Trump, it moved the Overton window
Decades before Trump did, Reagan convered TV entertainment value into votes.
@@Stashley78 It’s true that Reagan was the first celebrity president, but there is a huge difference between him and Palin in terms of their populist rhetoric
23:25 - Tucker also mentions it here, she was absolutely the proto-Trump
It started with the Tea Party, Palin latched onto that. Even that has changed now though. We now have the "alt right", (fascists), empowered through 4chan and meme culture supported by evangelical Christians because there is no hate like Christian love or something. They would rather support Trump and his racism, nationalism and disregard because he makes them feel like winners, even as they watch armed fascist militias try to storm the White House. If it wasn't so serious I would feel sorry for them.
@@Brokout He also said history is an ocean into which many rivers feed. Such is the case when looking for Trump precursors in the RNC, the DNC, and American culture more broadly.
It is great how these people hate how the little people vote. The contempt you have for the voters is disgusting. 😢
What? Your imagination is running overtime. Trump et al. have nothing but contempt for " the little people "
I'm only half way through, but please please ask if it was Obama's fault for mocking T at the WHCD :)
Croydon wasn't mentioned...
Maybe if we bring back The Apprentice. Use that as a carrot.
As an Englishman living here in the U.S.over 50 years it is even much more difficult to unravel the situation in this election year than even your guest admits.I think that the issues that will decide this will be abortion,pro and con.Open border,cost of living,lack of decent paying jobs,gun and drug control,wokeism,religion,race and wars non of these issues can be realistically be addressed by an ageing bumbling old man or a crazy habitual liar.
He has already addressed these issues and the fascist republican s rejected them.
Our allies think Biden is wonderful, Biden is a uniting personality and Trump a complete opposite, a divider in every conceivable way.
The duration of the most iconic Russian movie "Brother 2" (122 minutes and forty seconds) in terms of years (assuming that each minute of the movie equals one year) is 122 years and eight months (40 seconds - 2/3 minute - 2/3 year - 8 months). This time period - 122 years and eight months - is equal to the time interval between the birthday of the KGB founder Dzerzhinsky (September 11, 1877) and the day of the premiere of the film "Brother 2" (May 11, 2000).
I enjoyed this, but found it very depressing for the future
Absolutely no ownership of his failings. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
This guy is completely out of step with America but completely in step with South Carolina, that isn’t a compliment.
I live 1 state over from Eskew’s home state, and we could not be more different. I am totally unreligious, and believe the church has no role in government. While I agree with much of what he said, I am a life-long Democrat. He sounds like an old school reasonable Republican, but the political scene and his party have changed in the extreme. Today’s extreme GOP has been in the works for at least 45 years. We never, ever should have been in Iraq and probably not Afghanistan. The US must maintain its place on the global stage. His cracks about the far left are bogus….
The guest's shibboleths peaked and are in decline. Neoconservatism, neoliberalism, the Republican party, and American mainline Protestant Christianity.
What is Rory's take on the defunding of UN aid to Gaza.
can AC make it through a podcast without bringing up BREXIT?
it's probably his 'safe word'
Those that went on the 'Stop the war' March would not have changed their mind about the damage( and deaths) the war brought about - and did. The terms Democrat and Republican( Labour and Conservative) seem to have changed places recently.
The Stop the War organisation was, and remains, a disreputable organisation. I heard one of its leaders refer to British forces in Afghanistan as "mass murderers" and following the appalling Bataclan terrorist attacks in Paris in November 2015 another of its leaders responded by saying " Franc is reaping the whirlwind of its actions" - not one word of condemnation of the terrorists, not one word of sympathy for the victims. Tristram Hunt was right to call it a disreputable organisation.
Grow up
Are we just ignoring the ICJ ruling?
Not everything can be about the issue that is uppermost in your mind right now.
wrong episode chain - that'll likely be on regular episodes later on in the week
This guy supported and helped people who did way more damaging things than Donald Trump.
Dumbest vote anybody ever made was a vote for Trump over Hillary, absolutely the dumbest ever.
Interesting but most American politicians 😢 At least he speaks against Trump.
Teddy Roosevelt stood down after one term - though he did regret it having seen what Taft did. Biden is standing out of vanity.
"...fans of Hillary Clinton..."
I know I speak for others when I say, speak for yourself.
Y'all remember the first Republican B-list TV celebrity who said Make America Great Again? His name was Ronald Reagan. 😳
South Carolina has on of the highest rates of infant mortality and maternal mortality in the developed world.
i love these discussions, *but* i am always aware of the extent to which crucial Eco-logical considerations are essentially a complete aporia to political discourse? My hypothesis is that essentially mute beings cannot intrude in the essentially discursive sphere.
Yeah he was very good at revealing why people row in behind trump. Something that hasnt got revealed enough
Impenetrable American exceptionalism. Dubya? OMG.
It still is remarkable - again and again, really - how in line those of the Bush administration remain. 9/11 really hit the country hard.
imagine thinking Clinton is unlikeable but Trump is
Yesssss I can't think of a more objectionable person in my lifetime than Trump and I'm being very nice.
That's simplistic the media spent 40 years tearing Clinton to shreds. For her whole political life even as the spouse of the candidate they cut and besmirched. If you wonder why she's unpopular just look at her coverage.
Spare me.
Rory, how can I get you to sign my copy of your book?
Africa. Africa. Africa. Africa. Africa. What about this country? Maybe the Tories need to repair all the damage they have done to this country.
Continent?
Do people like this actually justify, normalise, excuse and perpetuate some of the outrageousnesses that we've seen in US politics in recent times?
"Everything is their fault, and we did nothing wrong." A horrible example of the brain damage of religion.
Does he support ‘suppressing the vote’ and gerrymandering is religiously defensible ?.
Shame Mr Ted Sorensen is no longer with us. Would have been a great guest for this podcast to learn how JFK led. Seems like, in some circles, his presidency is viewed mainly through the sad “six seconds in Dallas.” Whatever the genesis of the Cuban Missile Crisis, President Kennedy and Premier Khrushchev had to negotiate an elusive peace.
I get and respect their attempts at taking down the temperature in political debate, but they were way too quick to accept the whole "There were some discussions of potential improprieties that aren't worth discussing" thing with the 2000 primaries. I'm 99% sure he's referring to the "John McCain had a black baby" stories that circulated in South Carolina during the primary season. There's tough politics, and aggressive support of your position, but that sort of thing is the vile playing to the lowest common denominator that Lee Atwater excelled in, and helped lead to...gee, if only there were an American political figure who traffics in that sort of thing now.
Lee Atwater created the Southern Strategy by which Nixon, Reagan, et al used coded language as a racist dog whistle to white voters. That and his Wedge Issues were so effective that the same strategy is now used by the Democratic Party.
I was very impressed by Eskew; almost to a point of thinking he ought to be running for office himself. But how can you trust the judgement of someone who reads the Bible and says, ' Yeah, that sounds like truth to me'?
I'd settle for him taking the New Testament on board. More of the love thy neighbour, less of the smiting.
I wish he did take the Bible as truth.
Is the UK lucky to be a monarchy, in that, at the very least, it doesn't have a president....
you pray for Trump to become. . . less . . . stable... .....
If Jesus Christ were to be politized or if he expressed any view the tenants that he preached was the diabolical opposite of the republican party.
The GOP should talk this fella into running. Far more agreeable than anyone I’ve seen them putting forward for a while.
the GOP is essentially built from the ground up from psychotic partisan hacks who believe that all elections are rigged, Joe Biden is somehow dictator but also demented, Trump is still the President, we should have stayed and left Afghanistan at the same time. These people are in no position to nominate anyone reasonable.
So like the proverbial broken-clock he's going to vote for the right choice for the second time in his life......but hopes he can go back to the wrong side in future. Way to grow Tucker!!
I really enjoyed this podcast. However, Tuckers political perspective, religion, and accent are so generic it feels like a character on a TV show!
Which show? I have one in mind!
Can’t believe a Christian worked for Bush!
It could have been a plastic bag…!
I hear how people say how bad Trump is but what has he actually done and why do Rory and Alister worry about him coming into power so badly? I’m not defending him, I don’t know if he’s good or bad, I genuinely want to know what he’s done and plans to do to make my own judgment.
Usually a must listen to podcast.
Sorry. After listening to debunked excuses as to why your guest couldn’t vote Clinton, I left podcast.