Flying low and fast over Ukraine in an aging Mig-29
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- Ride in a Ukrainian Mig-29 to experience flying low and fast to avoid Russian radar. Ukraine believes replacing some of its Soviet-era fighter jets with American made F-16s can give it a decisive advantage over the Russians. Read more: wapo.st/3NaNXPa. Subscribe to The Washington Post on TH-cam: wapo.st/2QOdcqK
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Bro is in a 12.3 battle💀☠️😭
Those BR compressions are going very nasty, hope Gaijin will fix it ASAP
@@gliderfs621 bro faces 17.0 jets in his 11.7☠️☠️☠️😭😭
what is bro on?? 🙏😭😭
What a nasty uptier match
@@ilikenuts-xu3rihe is referencing a game
Don’t tell the Washington Post how old the F-16 platform is
If we're talking about the original design yes, but the modern ones like the block 70 or 72 is actually much better.
@@gunmasterx1164but are we talking about the recent ones?
@@sigma_frenchie4075 Ukraine is getting the block 70
@@gunmasterx1164 no they are not. The mig 29 was introduced in 1983. The Vipers the Danes are sending are 50 yr old A/B variants which received a MLU but the crafts are older than the MiG-29 itself. Google is free
@@humptydumpty3345And you would have found out on google that the MLU significantly upgraded the capabilities of those F-16s, especially compared to the MiG-29s in use by ukraine today.
Actually the Mig29 is still a good fighter in the right role. It doesn't have the range or avionics of a more modern jet but as a point defence it still is effective. The pilots and maintenance personnel know the plane and they have the parts to keep them flying. Ultimately to take the fight to Russia they will need something more modern but the planes complement each other. The F16 for long range strikes and scramble the migs when the radar detects an attack. Especially if they can put when they put in more modern NATO standard radar and weapon control systems into the pigs. It's like Britain in WW2. The Spitfires went after the escort fighters leaving the Hurricanes free reign to go after the bombers.
The mig 29 isn’t good enough because the pilots have over 90% attrition rate. Your most likely to survive the worst kind of cancer then to have survived thus far in the war as a Ukrainian pilot operating those vehicles
Every week I hear news of a couple SU-29s being shot down by the Russians. F-16s might be able to compete with SU-35s the Russians already have SU-57s.
@@schutzanzug4518 What source are u citing for the "90%" value?
@@billymadison8574 WDMMA, CNN, and Orxy. Ukraine had 81 fighter jets. At least 78 Ukrainian fighter jets are confirmed to be shot down. NATO has sent 30-40 or so older aircraft to Ukraine, including air support and helicopters. Orxy specifically makes a point on this is ONLY confirmed, and that there are likely much more that have not been confirmed, especially with jets which are most of the time shot down 100 km away now a days.
And CNN in one of their ukriane pilot articles interviewed a pilot who lost “many wingmen” and CNN states that being a pilot is extremely risky because they have the highest attrition rate in the entire war at around 90%. This is because vastly superior su-35’s and more modern radar systems form the Russian army, and the very good anti air SAMs Russia has. At the beginning of the war, Russia set 2 consecutive world records by shooting a ukriane jet out at 190 km, and then 220km a week later.
Old Ukraines Migs vs Russians SU 35 no chance...Russia didnt use SU 57 in Ukraine..
at first I thought I was looking at DCS....its crazy how good graphics have become
ME TOO HAHAHAH
The Mig 29 is doing exactly what it was designed to do, be a cheap multirole frontline fighter that can cover airspace when needed. The Su 27 and its derivatives are completely different. They are dedicated air superiority fighters that sit back and sling missiles at long range, they are much more expensive and fewer in number. Sending Mig 29s against Su 27 isn't what you're meant to do. Old F-16s are exactly the same, they were designed to be cheap and cheerful whilst the F-15 is an equivalent to the Su 27. Getting F-16s won't solve this problem lmao.
Even F15 aren't going to solve this problem, first because we wouldn't and we couldn't send enough of them and secondly because F15 technology is too old yet, that's why US started updating them (F15EX).
In these last 2-3 years our most updated NATO F35s have been intercepted several times by Su35s without being able to detect these Su35s 'till these were flying close enough and started jammering our F35s, proving that their jammer technology is still better than our most updated anti jammer technology while we also can't really explain how was it possible that an F35 having a significatly lower RCS couldn't see Su35 coming while Su35 could spot with its radars our F35s and intercept them.
People are so delusional that they still don't get that if Russia was a third world country, USA was controlling their territory already; if this isn't happening, and if USA had to do an alleance of more than 30 countries against Russia, its because Russia isn't that weak as our prpaganda is trying to tell us. There is no way Ukraine is gonna win this war, i'm saying this since the begin. No matter what weapons or vehicles we will send them, Russia military industries is way more efficient and advanced than Ukraine.
Even Europe can't really do much to keep up to Russia military indistries, we're spending billions of euroes to produce in 1 year the same amount of artillery shells that Russia can produce in less than a couple of weeks.
Thank for understanding that it is pointless to continue this war
@camfurey5648 I don't play war thunder dickhead, you obviously do though, so why don't you go play a few matches whilst the adults talk.
@@yoshimitsu1260 bro, the reason US hasn't invaded Russia is because they're sitting atop almost 6,000 nuclear warheads. It has nothing to do with how advanced their tech is; it's the fact that Putin will glass the European and North American continents (and US and its allies likewise to Russia).
As for your claim about interception and jamming, I'd like to see a source. Currently, both sides regularly fly close to each other's air spaces to gauge their reaction times and tactics. Russian planes regularly fly into Alaskan airspace, and USAF fighters regularly intercept them and escort them away.
It isnt that simple. Yes the f16 and mig 29 are similar in designed role and the su27 was more powerful than the f16 but the newer f16s have more advanced radars and EA/rwr than even the su35 probably and if they get aim120d or even just the C3 they will have a much better chance against the Russians. The f16 is also much better equipped to use harms and other nato weapons so they will be more effective at sead/dead and launching cruise missiles and jdams
That's flying at treetop level not bad for a plane that doesnt have terrain following radar those pilots got some real balls
and skill, takes a lot of skill to keep calm and steady while watching for sams, planes, and protecting the pair of 25's, wicked smart and skilled
It's certainly not designed for such low level flight unlike those su25 It's shadowing.
Middle of the summer in broad daylight, he might not have terrain radar but he has got eyes
not tree top level... in fact he had much space in height to any surrounding obstacles
He has radar altitude so no need for terain radar. He knows how high he is at all times.
F16 A/B detection range : 110km (68 miles)
Mig-29's are not ''aging''. What do you see the B-52 as? Decrepit?
Mig-29's are still in service and the 29K and 29M as well as the 29 OVT have been modernized with glass cockpits and better avionics and radar. The Ukrainians simply use an earlier version. Though they can't have many left at this time. US/UK media; fricken drama queens.
Very true
Western main stream media is pure propaganda.
People are just delusional, this is just western prpaganda.
Every time we've sent to Ukraine a new western weapon or vehicles our (braindead) people and media were all like "this is gonna end the war because we're so much stronger", then reality just threw a punch on their faces, lol.
There is no damn magic weapon, Mig29s aren't trash but Ukraine just have old soviet Mig29s while Russia have updated Mig29s and Su27s as you said.
There is not a single chance Ukraine is going to win, F16 won't be game changer and even F15 wouldn't be a game changer.
Firstly because we won't send them many of these, secondly because we wouldn't send them the most updated version of these jets that we have.
Ngl the B-52 is decrepit
Hey, romania just bought some 40 years old f16s. Not ageing.
Mig 29 is not aging lol. Its like calling the f-18 aging. Older than 5th gen fighters, but still has its role and place in the modern military
A mig 29a from early 80s has a big difference with mig 29 from 2010s or a mig 25
When this the earliest mig 29 was made f16 primary weapon was sidewinder
The F18 is aging, in fact the legacy Hornets were retired completely a couple years ago...😂
man the Mig 29 is ancient, it was far suppased by the F16A as soon as it came out, the only good thing the MIg 29 did well was flight dynamics, its radar is analog and has no digital control, the F18 was the first western fighter with complete digital control and has very good radar and avionics .. the mig 29 is very primitive probably equal to a F5 early model one
The MiG-29 variants that Ukraine operates are very much ancient and for the most part obsolete for the kind of adversary they are fighting against
pretty thin gruel here… you barely break the surface of this complicated issue. The US (and its allies) should have been facilitating a move (for Ukraine) to modern western jets months ago. In the mean time, more Ukrainian civilians and soldiers/airmen have died needlessly.
US leadership should be focused on the mess in its own backyard, but instead we meddle in the business of other countries: Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... Americans should stop being brainwashed by the government and state media and think for themselves.
Training is not a short term thing. As for when they started, I highly doubt it just started.
Throwing modern equipment is not going to shop deaths. Training, ammunition, and tried equipment will. In the end, whatever a crew can use effectively is what they should be using.
@@justadude8716 Modern equipment does absolutely help stop deaths. like the US personal vehicles. They have already saved many soldiers from shells and mines because of advancements in design to deflect explosions. Besides Ukrainians have been asking to train since last year. Some have already been trained in simulators for F-16s in the US.
The real reason is politics, and strategy, i.e. not to suddenly overwhelm Russian and have them react with nukes. This is about slowly breaking the Russian military, throwing it into disarray so it tears its self apart, like whats happening already. Unfortunately delays also mean innocent Ukrainian deaths
@@brobinson8614 guy, think about what you are writing about. I'm from Moscow and it really hurts me to read the last two sentences you wrote about the reduction of the Russian army
3:30 “there are no magic weapons… the F-16 is not…”
It is to me 😢
i think he nailed it pretty good, there are no magic weapons..
@@80Loke Not true bro. I heard JFK was shot by at least 1 magic bullet. Magic is real 🧙♂️
10 good pilots in f16s are worth more than Russia and china's entire airforce and navy jet arsenal
not true f16 can bvr su27 depends which version f16 also can connect link to patriot radar and if it has ability to shot bvr by the patriot radar or vice versa then gg to su27
@@Mr.Cool628there will always be luck and skill involved but the f16 will even the playing field and it will be more effective with the harms and other weapons Ukraine has received from the west
Great airmanship!
So many army specialists in comment section 😂
they played DCS once and now they think they know everything
And you are?
cringe@@finkamain1621
its mostly just logic man... most(not all) of the opinions aren't far reaching
Ya well OP doesn't know
this job is so wild!!
Giving them f16s is like giving a 12 yr old boy your dad's corvette. It's not a good idea.
Judging by the ww1 style trench warfare it looks like a sabre welding cavalry charge is next up......
Love the new sim rig ☺️
Where did they get the detection range from? From what I can find publicly the radar the Mig-29 first came with has a max range of 93 miles. While I'm not sure how many Ukraine has upgraded I know they have upgraded the Mig-29. Of course the Mig-35 still has better detection but its weird they are saying the detection is so low
Karaya was Hartmanns callsign , coincidence?
Voroshilov (Karaya) is the first pilot who was downed by drone. Ukranian pilots has finished with soviet planes and now will start recycling old NATO's fighters.
The old F16s that are in question for transfer and some old AMRAAMs won’t close the range/capability gap at all. They would need something comparable in cost but more capable like Saab jas-39 gripen. And even then it doesn’t change the Russian SAMs reaching deep into the Ukraine.
ah yes, send the unproven platform like the grippen to an active warzone.
F16 is better then gripen man gripen is designed to be the cheapest
@@alexignat007 That same statement was made with F-15E in the Gulf War and look at how that turned out for it. What's even the point of making these machines if they don't even get to be used?
@@simpai941exactly, childish comment by alex007 lol
I don't know why you think a Gripen would be any more effective in this conflict than an F16. Do you work for Saab?
Bro getting uptiered in his 12.0
Poor guy😭
F-16 is as old as mig-29. The problem is not woth the age but with the sparepart to maintain the mig-29 as it came from Russia.
Su-30 can detect F-16 long before F-16 can detect the Su in its radar.
The f-16 is actually upgraded unlike the mig-29
@@pooferfish2850 did you know about mig-35? they changed the name just for marketing purposes, it is built on the same air-frame as mig-29. in the West, they still use F-16 because it is good for marketing and uses the Block number to differentiate between upgrades.
Mig-29 has no design defect, unlike the F-16, which needs to replace the wing spar assembly as it gets older because it will be cracking, and if not replaced, the wing could detach mid-flight.
I'm not sure if Ukraine F-16 will get these wing spar replacements for its old and used-up F-16s because it is expensive, the cost will be more than a major overhaul. if this is the situation, the Ukraine F-16 cannot be used in high G maneuvers and will be used only as a delivering platform thus it is actually worse than their current Mig-29s.
Rip in advance
Can they be retrofitted with longer ranged equip or nah?
-the Mig
The callsign "Karaya" is from a German song and is an homage to Erich Hartmann, the greatest fighter pilot of all time.
This is definitely a stopgap solution made.
Sure you have higher capabilities but the F-16 is still a Old Fighter compared to the Su-35's.
You'll be able to engage more effectively but the disadvantages won't disappear they'll just be lowered
Thankfully there getting some
Subtitles are needed
I thought Ghost pilot was enough..
RIP, he does not exist anymore.
jesus bro, how can they even operate with so many jammers in the area. like look at the radar, that thing is freaking out.
isnt the flickering caused by framerate of the camera
11 months ago still no F-16 over skies of Ukraine
dang thats crazy. they cant even fly above 500 feet.
What a badass job to have.
damn 12.0 fighting 15.7's bros got hella uptiered 😭😭🙏🙏
Why does the escort fly so close to the frogfoots?
Ukranian anti air defenses: TARGET SIGHTED, LOCK ON
Pilot: WAIT FRIENDLY FRIENDL-
They make us pilots visually identify their targets.Which ruins all their advantage with radar
Missiles don't always hit their target
***BREAKING NEWS!***
Missiles miss their targets more often because of countermeasures employed by the target.
Don’t just bet a long distance missile will just veer off course randomly, these machines aren’t too complex consistently hit the target.
very wild to do, flying a soviet fighter in ukrain is just wild
love em su25s
Share. In Brazil, there are companies manufacturing weapons for Russia. In the Midwest of the State of Santa Catarina
I live in Brazil and I live close to this factory
It’s not the Plane .it’s the Pilot ‘ TOP GUN
☝🤓actually it does kin of matter about the plane because it could not be air worthy
kind of not kin sorry
With modern jets not anymore
29's are sick
good luck with the block 50 f16 (AN/APG-68) radar you will not see them at 50 miles either. they need DATA link, AIM120, and AN/APG-83 AESA radar.
Because their current fleet has been annihilated, that's why.
Is that why the Russian Air Force is no where to be seen?
@@joebidenisyourpresidentget2481 You can’t see stealthy jets. Stop thinking wwii
The only thing that's almost gone is the Russia military !
@@JDOG1974yes Yea, totally agree. This is why they keep taking town after town from Ukraine.
@@JDOG1974yes erm no, they can just call in more people via a force draft
It's the experience that is basically gone
The logistics? They basically never existed
Russia is in the best position to fight a war of attrition. Even with the West influx of money, it’s ultimately left up to Ukraine as to the acceptable body count that they can endure.
Exactly everyone still thinks the metrics of this war or measured by capturing Kyiv that changed a long time ago. The metrics of measuring this war are pushing Russia off the territory they currently occupy Which is much easier said than done they start the results so far of the counteroffensive
A lot can be said about your statement. But Russia is a paper bear. Aging equipment left outside in the harsh weather with open hatches and ports, their vehicle supply is short. They can't produce anything modern besides a retro tank for the parades. Any competent military officer was let go due to Putin's paranoia and training skills were reduced, making the military for the lazy in Russian society. I'm not saying they will run out in 2 weeks or next year. But if all the US has to invest is 40 billion to completely declaw the bear, I'm absolutely amazed that Russia even chose this fight. At least they could pretend before this...
@justadude8716 dude where is your source for all of this.
@@justadude8716said the samething about the ussr in ww2. If anything Russias gonna innovate like they’ve always done.
@@justadude8716stop falling into the western propaganda, they said that russia had exhausted their ammunitions yet here they are after more than a year still launching strikes on ukraine
There are no magic weapons in war? Bruh what about the nuke?
bro got uptiered
They sell great on the black market!
Let me know when. you find the evidence and no, some kids on a dark net forum don't qualify as evidence.
@@WorksOnMyComputer Check with the Mexican drug cartels they can give you evidence.
@@gran3241oh no did you actually fell for that lie with the javeline. Sad time, dumb people fall for obvios lies
@@sH-ed5yf Sad time when some can only insult because they lack the ability to make an intelligent, rational comment.
@@gran3241 no kid. I know the picture He is rederring to. Claiming mexican csrtels reciefed javeline missles. Turnes out this thing is not a javeline neither is it a mexican csrtel
Why can't they exchange just the radar for a newer one?
That was my first thought too, but I imagine it might not be as simple even as mounting a NATO missile on an incompatible hardpoint - they might need a totally different shape of nose cone to accommodate it, which could mess up the aerodynamics of the plane, even if a decent one could be fabricated - not a simple a problem in itself? In some ways this is what a 'wingman' drone could be good for - then allied countries need only compatible displays, controls, and hardpoints for their bombtrucks.
This channel should be called PRAVDA.
why?
Wonder how long this guy is gunna live?
F-16s no. Nuclear weapons yes.
MANIACS.
Это видео - редкая и уникальная возможность увидеть украинскую авиацию)
Hell naw! My tax dollars worked hard to pay for those f-16s. We keeping those bad boys
This is the same clowns that brought us ‘ghost of Kiev’?
Nukes are a magic weapon
Replace soviet Era fighter jet with even older fighter jet. I guess USA is not going to give them newer F16s.
Unfortumatly he crashed. RIP Karaya.😢
he didn't die
@@walterhelych2401 like Elvis
@@maryjane-jq1cw?
You do realize that f16s are technically older than mig29s
The f16s the U.S. flies today are not the same ones they flew in the 70s/80s
@@Dunger974You understand that it’s not only the United States that is modernizing its equipment, right?
@@Dunger974 true but will ukraine recieve the newest model? It might but probably no
@@aleksejtratnik817 their current mig29s have not been upgraded since they entered service, which means they cannot carry things like the r77. Even the most primitive f16 is able to carry the most modern amraams and sidewinders, which is what makes the difference. If they needed a longer range radar, they could just swap it out, whereas they cannot swap out the mig's radar for a better one since the only better ones that fit are russian.
no su35 is launching any missile at more than 50 miles out, and thats still WELL outisde the MAR
Little do they know, the MIG-29 was designed to counter the F16.
I like that retired Air Force lieutenant-general. I hope whoever took his place was just as good.
they werent
no way this journalist said soo-35
gonna be cool when these guys get F16
Im no expert by any means but i dont understand the low altitude tactics they use these planes on both sides sometimes. I thought these planes were designed to avoid ground threats and attack from above
Low altitude flight is a necessary measure since aviation is constantly monitored by SAM radars starting from an altitude of 1,500 feet and the chance of losing an aircraft even at such an altitude increases many times, however, an aircraft flying at low altitude creates a Doppler effect with the earth's surface, which makes it practically invisible to SAM radars, missiles and other aircraft. In fact, the sound from the aircraft will be displayed on the radar (provided that the SAM radar has the ability to detect sound), but the accuracy of the radar will be noticeably lower, including due to the diffraction of the sound wave and the loss of part of its energy when it collides with the surface of the earth, trees, buildings and other obstacles. Of course, anti-missile countermeasures could be used at high altitude, but their number is very limited, which dictates new conditions for certain missions.
didnt know there was mirrors in planes
Its so they can see behind just like in a car or something
germany should give ukraine some tornado jets. idk what kind of technic they have, but maybe it could help for air defense / attack.
the mig 29 is just as old as the f16. stop the cap
Hot Shots part deuce: WAR!!!! It's fantastic!!!
Why they fighting again?
idfk
Isn’t it scary hearing that no matter how advanced technology gets, Wars always devolve into artillery slug fests since WW1…
Yep pretty much 🤣
знаменитый призрак Киева, 1 на всю великую страну, дайте ему уже этот самый новый и безотказный F-16, пока от Харькова еще чето осталось
The F16 is an older plane, the Mig 29 could be fitted with more modern radar if they really wanted to
F-16 has been updated so much it's nothing like the mig 29 anymore
That would be assuming the ruZZians have an updated system to put in it. They don't.
Crimea beach party baby!
what would you know, he has the call sign of the Nazi pilot Hartmann, do you still think that they are not Nazis?
"aging" mig's? almost all aircraft in current service have been in service have been in production since the 70's
The aging comes from the lack of upgrades, not the actual age of the airframe.
I am sure the question of supplying F16's to Ukraine is a complicated political issue
No one told me the the new war thunder update dropped with all new first person views and animations
hon hon
What variant of f-16 will Ukraine be getting?
Why don't they fit the American long range avionics to Ukraine's existing Migs?
So, magically, the F-16 will turn the tables. Right?
well the idiotic ruZZians are worried about them That is all that really matters....
God speed everybody 🙏
This "skilled pilot" lost Mig 29 while trying to take down Russian drone. Then he painted his face with red paint and posted video as if he got ejected from plane. Lol
Proof?
@@AlejandroFernandez05 they never will show proof
Wtf is aging supposed to mean, the mig 29s are probably younger as the f15s and f16s the usaf uses today,
Ukrainian mig-29s do not have the same retrofits that many of the US's modern f-15s and f-16s have. I.E. F-16 block 70 and F-15EX vs soviet era mig 29s.
@@elipseplays3579 then wouldnt it make sense to retrofit the mig 29s rather than getting new systems??
The su35 still superior to the F16, do people realize that or no ?
Some f16 variants are a lot better than the su35
Says who? The ruZZians have shot down 2 Su35's recently. They haven't shot down any F16's...The only people say what you said are the ruZZians and ruZZian buttlickers and morons....
Why flying so high
If the trouble is coming from the newer russian superiority fighters, whyd they not want f15s, is it not an air superiority fighter?
RIP
wow
😂 so where are they lol
Our own country doesn’t have enough full time working f-16s so why would we give them to another country
Really? If you are talking about the USA, the USAF has more than 800 in active service and probably another 400 in storage...
Those f16 wont help them 😂
Ww3 is coming! I say let's just get it done
pull batteratys bacj safe distance two each at a time
Why not use DCS (a very accurate Military aircraft simulator) to train the pilots?
Do you propose to train Ukrainians on a Russian flight simulator to fly Western aircraft?
They have significantly better than DCS to train pilots. It still takes time.
A LOT of the combat systems are classified and just mimicked to the best of DCS's ability. It is not that close, especially not considering the technology from the 80's and forward where many things are still classified. The airplanes, and the basics of them - yes, they are quite close in that regard.
They do
@@BorisCode They fly Russian jets lol
Fun fact F16 and F15 and F18 are older planes than the MiG 29
but their avionics and airframe is upgraded.
the design itself is old but not the aircraft. they’re rather “new” if you would like to call it that.
Yeah, now you should explain that it took Russia 10 years to catch up. It doesn't matter which airframe is older if that airframe is superior.
@@PyroBlonde7777 why?
F-16, 15, and 18 have updated avionics and radar. But the Ukrainian Mig-29 is on the same level as how was produced. In the times when Mig-29 started their career, he was on the same level or better than F-16.
OH WHAT'S UP KARAYAAAAAAAAAAA 😎