The last 45 seconds was the most important part of this vid......Thank you for airing that perspective. There are so many ways to do the same thing......instant sub with a thumbs up to boot!
excellent as usual. sifu sergio is a true pioneer in unifying the art of wing chun by having an open mind and dedicating his time to compare and contrast lineages. i wish all forms of kung fu would have someone like sergio to do dedicated research like this.
I really like your comment “ your mind is like a parachute”. Beautiful. I think Ip was the same as all of us , continued to refine and improve. We shouldn’t be too hung up on angles and height etc of a movement. If the energy through your body is correct , you should be able to elbow strike any way you want. Chu Shong Tin certainly didn’t teach it the way you demonstrate . He would have us place our fist in his palm and perform the elbow strike with the energy travelling from our stance through to our hand. Very powerful and done properly under in this exercise situation , unstoppable. Try it 👍🏻, If your force is correct you can do anything. Your only limitations are your weight , speed and level of relaxation. Force equals mass x acceleration 😊
Nice work on the video here too by the way. Thank you. Yip Man did it both ways vertical elbow and horizontal elbow ,because they both work. One is a slip over a jab style of strike,the other controlling middle inside opponents arms while attacking the eyes.Reverse too! I always thought of the triple elbow strikes as also blocking attacks, bridging the gap and exchanging elbows grasping the wrist for an arm break then the third elbow as the final nose to nose full strike. Much love and light.
We are so lucky today to have You Tube and the like to refer to. Long ago I learned Ip Man WC in UK and also from W Cheung. Then I learned Taiji and after practicing that for many years I gained a deeper understanding of WC. Today we can view different lineages of WC and Bai He and see how WC evolved. Older systems appear to show a softer & broader approach. I also like Pan Nam WC for its emphasis on internal aspects & variations on themes. Broader mind = broader art. Thanks for your words.
@neijiatao Wing Chun is an internal / external art, so in order to understand it completely, it must be learned in both ways. Unfortunately most people teach and learn Wing Chun using the external method, and that is because many different reasons. Since it is very difficult to find someone teaching the internal approach outside China, try to share toughts with internal martial artists. Xing Yi seems to be a very good start because of its similitudes with Wing Chun.
Thanks for the deeper insight into wing chun !! In the (yukasun) lineage elbow strike you show.....is also used as a block on the neck and jaw line for pressure point attacks ..thats why the hand flat against the neck and in motion with arm coming over ...
Some say that WC is an external method, I have never believed that. I believe that Ip Man possessed the internal, but appeared to teach mostly external to the HK students. I have heard he responded to students that wanted to learn to fight as quickly as possible. It takes years to understand internal aspects. But it was that which gave Ip Man amazing ability and strength, even later in life when he was quite debilitated. A snake is not rigid with just a wiggling head, but alive throughout!
There was no "original". The ancestral arts of Wing Chun such as wing Chun Bak Hok and others also had variations. BTW In my lineage (coming from Yip Man)we originally just did kup jarn but our Chinese sifu travelled to the mainland in the early 80s and then added back the gwai jarn and pai jarn. It's stayed that way for the last 35 or so years: 12 elbow strikes using kup, gwai, and pai.
Hi sifu! I don't know if you're gonna see this comment, but it is interesting to why Ip Man changed that hand movement in siu nim tao. In the vietnamese system of Yuen Chai Wan, it is done the same way (short and specific joints are being used instead of the whole body). could YCW have influenced Ip Man as he was teaching him for some time ?
@klsuperman Wing Chun is different for Ip Man's students sometimes because of Ip Man's training style. He taught Wing Chun based on the individual's personal habits and physical traits. There are a few who quit the teachings of Ip Man and started their own lineages. Ip Man decided, to preserve Ip Man Wing Chun, to do a video of him performing a few of the forms before his death. There is no REAL Wing Chun form unless it defies basic Wing Chun principles
@Honeysucklebommie When you say "horizontal" elbow are you referring to the Kwai-jarn or the most horizontal that goes straight across "Pie-Jarn"? The difference is that kwai-jarn is known as "elbow-hacking" and it starts at the jaw and "hacks" across the chest, while pie-jarn is more like a smash. And also I wonder why there aren't any ding-jarn's (butting elbow) or Pow-jarn's (upward elbow) in the Ip Man system...
sifu sergio seguo tantissimo i suoi video sul web .... studio wing chun l'ho usato solo una volta ed ho avuto paura del potere esplosivo che avevo appreso...ma dovevo portarmi la pellaccia a casa quella volta...lei è un gran maestro la stimo tantissimo
@klsuperman In other words, anyone can choose whichever form of Wing Chun they'd like to train. But if by authentic, you mean original lineage defended from Leung Jan, then yes, Ip Man Wing Chun is the original form of Wing Chun. It is also the one I personally practice.
@TwoGunGunnar Just trying to kick the hornet's nest. He does his Biu Jee fingers much much differently than every one else. I like what Sifu Sergio is doing, I hope he keeps interviewing people and uncovering more.
@kaindrg If you haven't already heard; When Leung TIng was about 20 he learned for about a year under Ip Man after he retired. Many people called him a liar and even though there is photographic evidence and was seen openly with him at many "Wing Tsun" events. People were jealous because the tabloids were saying that Leung Ting was the successor of the Wing Tsun style even though he had nothing to do with the propganda. Then L.T. got really successful and people were even more jealous. The End.
I wonder, SiFu Sergio, if Ip Man taught it that way because he was gathering more students in Hong Kong and didn’t want to teach people the full joint movements in case they surpassed him as he got older? What do you think? It seems to me there could only be two reasons 1.He found the other way worked better (without joint movements) 2. The original way worked better but for some reason he didn’t want to teach that way. 🤷🏻
@bhibatsu All advanced and experienced Wing Chun adepts evolve basics to own techniques. Theory of all is one, get from transmission of Your Sifu. Many years of training give better look to work of bone system, muscles, balance and reactions. Physical adaptation give U chance to build your own variant of style, of course compatible with root of the system. I plan visit HK and if is possible get some lessons from master Ip Chun or his brother.
I can tell how high level you are when I saw that KOP JARN and PAI SAO coming out underneath.. you went into an instant FAK SAO too.. those movements are fundamental and they come naturally to you it shows
THIS SUCH AN IMPORTANT VIDEO IM NOT GONNA COMMENT WITH MY 2 CENTS. TO THE TRUE STUDENTS, WATCH THIS 100 TIMES. 5 *'s! Thx Master Serg for your UNBIASED help in this.
You practitioners who cant help mentioning W Cheung on every utube video must find it difficult that Cheungs Melbourne school went to Hong Kong in the early eighties and bought back two World open kungfu titles heavyweight and middle. Strange outcome for a hoax style and just a marketing ploy.
thatz why i studed under Cheung, because his students where wining their fights against the rest of the styles, the others could only win when they fought their own wing chun, the other styles kicked their butt all the time
Harry Hirsch Actually i belonged to his old organization EWTO and I was told by my SI -Fu that Sergio left a day after receiving his 3rd Technician level from GM Kernspecht So he wasn’t even a master of Wing Tsun when he formed his own organization. He was nicknamed Sergio Motorola 😂😂 You can see why.
@Harry. His nationality should not matter. The truth of a martial artist is not where he is born but in his heart. And his research on the roots of WC is close enough to the truth. If he left Ving Tsun , it is probably for a good reason which people in WC knows.
The last 45 seconds was the most important part of this vid......Thank you for airing that perspective. There are so many ways to do the same thing......instant sub with a thumbs up to boot!
excellent as usual. sifu sergio is a true pioneer in unifying the art of wing chun by having an open mind and dedicating his time to compare and contrast lineages. i wish all forms of kung fu would have someone like sergio to do dedicated research like this.
I really like your comment “ your mind is like a parachute”. Beautiful. I think Ip was the same as all of us , continued to refine and improve. We shouldn’t be too hung up on angles and height etc of a movement. If the energy through your body is correct , you should be able to elbow strike any way you want. Chu Shong Tin certainly didn’t teach it the way you demonstrate . He would have us place our fist in his palm and perform the elbow strike with the energy travelling from our stance through to our hand. Very powerful and done properly under in this exercise situation , unstoppable. Try it 👍🏻, If your force is correct you can do anything. Your only limitations are your weight , speed and level of relaxation. Force equals mass x acceleration 😊
Nice work on the video here too by the way. Thank you.
Yip Man did it both ways vertical elbow and horizontal elbow ,because they both work. One is a slip over a jab style of strike,the other controlling middle inside opponents arms while attacking the eyes.Reverse too!
I always thought of the triple elbow strikes as also blocking attacks, bridging the gap and exchanging elbows grasping the wrist for an arm break then the third elbow as the final nose to nose full strike.
Much love and light.
We are so lucky today to have You Tube and the like to refer to. Long ago I learned Ip Man WC in UK and also from W Cheung. Then I learned Taiji and after practicing that for many years I gained a deeper understanding of WC. Today we can view different lineages of WC and Bai He and see how WC evolved. Older systems appear to show a softer & broader approach. I also like Pan Nam WC for its emphasis on internal aspects & variations on themes. Broader mind = broader art. Thanks for your words.
Salute and Kudos for another bold and enlightening Video! Thanks again for posting this .
@neijiatao
Wing Chun is an internal / external art, so in order to understand it completely, it must be learned in both ways. Unfortunately most people teach and learn Wing Chun using the external method, and that is because many different reasons. Since it is very difficult to find someone teaching the internal approach outside China, try to share toughts with internal martial artists. Xing Yi seems to be a very good start because of its similitudes with Wing Chun.
Your doing a great job Sifu,...keep on keeping on !
Thanks for the deeper insight into wing chun !! In the (yukasun) lineage elbow strike you show.....is also used as a block on the neck and jaw line for pressure point attacks ..thats why the hand flat against the neck and in motion with arm coming over ...
The Elbows are trained in the Chum Kiu as well...
excellent explanation and very interesting research on the lineage
Some say that WC is an external method, I have never believed that. I believe that Ip Man possessed the internal, but appeared to teach mostly external to the HK students. I have heard he responded to students that wanted to learn to fight as quickly as possible. It takes years to understand internal aspects. But it was that which gave Ip Man amazing ability and strength, even later in life when he was quite debilitated. A snake is not rigid with just a wiggling head, but alive throughout!
Very interesting! Thank you for this video!
i know all 3 elbows work in specific situations and to learn them all, but which elbow was from the original Ng?
There was no "original". The ancestral arts of Wing Chun such as wing Chun Bak Hok and others also had variations. BTW In my lineage (coming from Yip Man)we originally just did kup jarn but our Chinese sifu travelled to the mainland in the early 80s and then added back the gwai jarn and pai jarn. It's stayed that way for the last 35 or so years: 12 elbow strikes using kup, gwai, and pai.
excellent video!! next you need to interview William Cheung and find out where he got his method from!
Hi sifu!
I don't know if you're gonna see this comment, but it is interesting to why Ip Man changed that hand movement in siu nim tao.
In the vietnamese system of Yuen Chai Wan, it is done the same way (short and specific joints are being used instead of the whole body). could YCW have influenced Ip Man as he was teaching him for some time ?
@klsuperman Wing Chun is different for Ip Man's students sometimes because of Ip Man's training style. He taught Wing Chun based on the individual's personal habits and physical traits. There are a few who quit the teachings of Ip Man and started their own lineages. Ip Man decided, to preserve Ip Man Wing Chun, to do a video of him performing a few of the forms before his death. There is no REAL Wing Chun form unless it defies basic Wing Chun principles
Do you care more about lineage than effectiveness?
Really helpful. Many thanks.
Great video! You are bringing up very interesting points! 5*****!
very interesting! Thanks for putting this information out there!
@Honeysucklebommie When you say "horizontal" elbow are you referring to the Kwai-jarn or the most horizontal that goes straight across "Pie-Jarn"? The difference is that kwai-jarn is known as "elbow-hacking" and it starts at the jaw and "hacks" across the chest, while pie-jarn is more like a smash. And also I wonder why there aren't any ding-jarn's (butting elbow) or Pow-jarn's (upward elbow) in the Ip Man system...
Enormous power generation ❤❤
sifu sergio seguo tantissimo i suoi video sul web .... studio wing chun l'ho usato solo una volta ed ho avuto paura del potere esplosivo che avevo appreso...ma dovevo portarmi la pellaccia a casa quella volta...lei è un gran maestro la stimo tantissimo
i still dont understand the political riff between leung ting and ip man other students. can some one enlighten me about that
@klsuperman In other words, anyone can choose whichever form of Wing Chun they'd like to train. But if by authentic, you mean original lineage defended from Leung Jan, then yes, Ip Man Wing Chun is the original form of Wing Chun. It is also the one I personally practice.
Great Job Sergio.
@TwoGunGunnar
Just trying to kick the hornet's nest. He does his Biu Jee fingers much much differently than every one else.
I like what Sifu Sergio is doing, I hope he keeps interviewing people and uncovering more.
@kaindrg If you haven't already heard; When Leung TIng was about 20 he learned for about a year under Ip Man after he retired. Many people called him a liar and even though there is photographic evidence and was seen openly with him at many "Wing Tsun" events. People were jealous because the tabloids were saying that Leung Ting was the successor of the Wing Tsun style even though he had nothing to do with the propganda. Then L.T. got really successful and people were even more jealous. The End.
thx for the video sifu sergio
quite interesting
I wonder, SiFu Sergio, if Ip Man taught it that way because he was gathering more students in Hong Kong and didn’t want to teach people the full joint movements in case they surpassed him as he got older? What do you think? It seems to me there could only be two reasons 1.He found the other way worked better (without joint movements) 2. The original way worked better but for some reason he didn’t want to teach that way. 🤷🏻
sifu continua a dimostrare di essere un grande ricercatore
@bhibatsu
All advanced and experienced Wing Chun adepts evolve basics to own techniques. Theory of all is one, get from transmission of Your Sifu. Many years of training give better look to work of bone system, muscles, balance and reactions. Physical adaptation give U chance to build your own variant of style, of course compatible with root of the system. I plan visit HK and if is possible get some lessons from master Ip Chun or his brother.
Je vous remercier Maitre Sifu Sergio Labarole
I can tell how high level you are when I saw that KOP JARN and PAI SAO coming out underneath.. you went into an instant FAK SAO too.. those movements are fundamental and they come naturally to you it shows
THIS SUCH AN IMPORTANT VIDEO IM NOT GONNA COMMENT WITH MY 2 CENTS. TO THE TRUE STUDENTS, WATCH THIS 100 TIMES.
5 *'s!
Thx Master Serg for your UNBIASED help in this.
Quite dopey
i think chu shong tin has all the joints free. which allows the body to come into it.
and why not?
anyhow , sergio now is one of the true master of wc .
Sergio tes martaile est tres sophisitique pas mal.
my guess is that Sifo Serio aims much deeper historically than Cheung and dismisses the "traditional system"as pure marketing,
I know Why Sir...
Chop Suey!
i think ip man be secretive. giving away all the tricks i bad for buisness
You practitioners who cant help mentioning W Cheung on every utube video must find it difficult that Cheungs Melbourne school went to Hong Kong in the early eighties and bought back two World open kungfu titles heavyweight and middle. Strange outcome for a hoax style and just a marketing ploy.
thatz why i studed under Cheung, because his students where wining their fights against the rest of the styles, the others could only win when they fought their own wing chun, the other styles kicked their butt all the time
yeah right..some 30 years old east european dude and self made Grandmaster knows it all
Harry Hirsch Actually i belonged to his old organization EWTO and I was told by my SI -Fu that Sergio left a day after receiving his 3rd Technician level from GM Kernspecht So he wasn’t even a master of Wing Tsun when he formed his own organization. He was nicknamed Sergio Motorola 😂😂 You can see why.
@Harry. His nationality should not matter. The truth of a martial artist is not where he is born but in his heart. And his research on the roots of WC is close enough to the truth. If he left Ving Tsun , it is probably for a good reason which people in WC knows.