WHY the late King of Wing Chun Dr. Leung Jan did not teach the Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze

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  • @wadey5333
    @wadey5333 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank for sharing, I find the history of wing Chun so interesting, and I can only imagine how long it has taken to develop this level of knowledge.

  • @WTpassion
    @WTpassion 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hi Sifu Sergio,
    I’m a big fan of your videos and really appreciate the way you teach Wing Chun. I wanted to suggest that you consider translating and dubbing your videos into different languages, including Italian, using artificial intelligence tools. This could help you reach an even wider audience and share your knowledge with people all over the world.
    Tools like Rask, HeyGen, and Veed make this relatively simple and deliver great results. It would be fantastic to see your videos accessible to more people!
    Thank you for your dedication and keep up the great work!

    • @SifuSergioChannel
      @SifuSergioChannel  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@WTpassion Thank you for the suggestion will think about it and do you mean to post those videos on the same channel or open another TH-cam channel in each specific language

    • @WTpassion
      @WTpassion 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SifuSergioChannel From what I know at the moment, it is possible to upload multiple audio tracks to a video, so by uploading multiple voiceovers in different languages, a viewer will be able to choose the audio track based on their native language, without creating additional channels.

  • @vietle87
    @vietle87 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    any footage of his long siu lin tao and the chui ying sau sets?

    • @SifuSergioChannel
      @SifuSergioChannel  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@vietle87 There Are Some I will make some videos about that in the future, as also because of historical reasons I don’t agree with the engine that is used nowedays in relation to how they perform the set, it does not match up with the Kuen Kuit. To many families in Guangdong province have mixed in stuff from other Kung Fu Systems and thus many sets of their lineage are not Wing Chun Kuen and often the engine is a Hung Kuen hybrid Etc. But this topic deserves a clear video

  • @davidwongwantho96
    @davidwongwantho96 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sifu Sergio, this is similar to the WC I learned - a traditional style taught only to those with the surname Cho. It has only one set (Siu Lim Tau) which comprises of Chum Kui and Bui Chee. According to their history, Leung Jan taught this to one of his relatives.

  • @slimsady1852
    @slimsady1852 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you 🤙🏼

  • @thephantasmagoricalperson4114
    @thephantasmagoricalperson4114 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Its a shame you didnt ask them to show these forms

    • @Grayman58
      @Grayman58 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I bet if you made a donation they will show you all the secrets 😂😂😂

  • @DrTzeus
    @DrTzeus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "If you can not win in three hits then you should run away..." GM Yip Man
    It seems a fitting connection to the theme in the interview, if Sau Sau aka Dui Caak is limited to three moves in a set. It is even a rule i was taught in the AWTO years, that in Lat Sau drills after three counters it has become cardio or muscle memory reps, and it is not "real" anymore. It needed to restart with an attack across the distance line, or transition to clinch or the ground fighting. After 3 Pak Sau Punches Lat Sau risks becoming a "patty cake" drill and WT players need to change the pattern. Application drills have three iterations too. I find it an interseting common link here.

    • @SifuSergioChannel
      @SifuSergioChannel  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@DrTzeus Appreciate your feedback, and it’s true the Leung Ting system has the same philosophy, however the point I wanted to make in the video is that DR Leung Jan himself Never learned the Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze sets himself and therefore could also not have taught them, he instead learned the Ancient Single long set Siu Lin Tau (Training of the little details) that was later split into the three form format of Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze by specific members of the Hung Mun (secret society) around the 1850’s.

    • @johndough8115
      @johndough8115 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      A lot of the Wing Chun training Drills, are not meant to fully represent Combat. They are mostly designed for developing rapid dual arm coordination. The truth is... that you should never need more than ONE hit to the OP, to produce LETHAL levels of short range power (Fajin / Explosive Power). If you are incapable of lethal power within less than 2 inches of arm travel... then you have never fully Mastered Fajin.
      Wing Chun teaches the basics for generating internal power (relaxed, to get maximum acceleration on impact)... however, the schools Ive ever been in... do not teach, nor have training in, developing shorter and shorter distances... to maximize short range power potentials. It may simply be assumed that a good fighter will develop this on their own. But I tend to believe, that its simply been kept a secret... due to how devastating such power actually is.
      None of this is exaggeration, either. I mastered short range Fajin expression, down to a single inch of runway. It became very Easy to KO fighters, using only about 15% of the potentials I was capable of.. from a 6" distance vertical fist strike to their foreheads. Back then, Im quite certain, that at full power.. Id have been lethal within less than 2 inches of arm movement.

    • @DrTzeus
      @DrTzeus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SifuSergioChannel Thank You I understand the 3 form vs long form idea. I believe Uncle Yip Man perfected the classical Wing Chun first, and he passed on his own advancements in other students.
      I hope someday we can see a short video showing the progress of the arm clinging and shape changing drills as they grew over 100 years. How a simple Jum Sau with punch grew into a Gwat Sau, and how the counter attack to gwat sau leads into flow cycles as each new generations advanced.
      It seems logical that the invention of shape changing flow cycles over time might lead to a re-ordering of the teaching sets (as WT does with Chum Kiu sections evolving into tighter Biu Tze sections) which would require a long form to be broken into parts, with a common theme redistributed across them. Also, the secret society ideal would also require a public form and then secret versions for family. So chi sau would have been the highest secret I think.

    • @DrTzeus
      @DrTzeus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johndough8115 Chi Sau evolved from the counter attack given to such things. When a master punches another, when counters become new attacks....a flow cycle is needed for training. In these events, it is the one with the best thirs attack that will succed.

    • @johndough8115
      @johndough8115 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@DrTzeus None of what you said, Negates what I said. There are many aspects to Chi Sao, that can be applicable in actual combat. However... there are a lot of things that are not combat realistic.
      For one thing... you shouldnt really be standing in a Neutral Stance, when you are fighting. Why? Because if your weight is 50/50... you cant use your legs for Leg-Fencing movements, quick enough.
      This is the reason why your weight should Always be, 100% over your rear leg. Your lead leg should only touch the ground, with the pressure of a butterfly on a Leaf.
      This allows your weightless lead leg, to be able to instantly kick the OP as they suddenly rush forwards towards you... and or... to instantly deflect the OPs attempted low Kick.
      If your mass was even partially over your lead leg.. you would have to spend time De-Weighting (shifter to the rear leg), in order to be able to Move your leg... BUT... by that time, your own leg would have already been Kicked.
      So, even when you are in very close range... you always have a rear weighted stance. You can maintain your squared shoulders, and Squared Hips... but still keep the extended Lead Leg Foot, and the weight on the Rear leg.
      One reason why Chi Sao does not practice with a Lead leg, is mostly for training BOTH deeply bent legs equally... and for it to be easier to maintain equal short range distancing.
      The other issue, is that Chi Sao has no "Entry". Meaning, you always start from a dual arm touching state. Thats not how combat works... and if you never train the Entry into that range... then you are not really going to be very well prepared for actual realistic combat.
      The reason why Chi Sao is largely static in range, is to put most ALL of your focus on developing Sensitivity + proper reactions (supreme coordination). If they added different ranges into the drill.. then you would have to keep stopping to "Reset" back out to long distance ranges. Every stop and start cycle... drastically eats into your training + development time. By keeping Chi Sao a non-stop circular drill... with a Static range... you get the MAXIMUM amount of sensitivity + coordination training, in the least amount of time.
      And finally, Its my belief that Chi Sao is the Reduced form of Tai Chi's Push Hand drills. As WC borrows heavily from various Internal Arts technologies + training methods.
      Actually, the part of the WC form that is repeated 3 times? Thats section is called "Three Prayers to Buddha". While most WC practitioners quickly breeze through that section in less then like 3 minutes... its actually supposed to be performed in Slow-Motion... like Tai Chi forms:
      It should take at least 30 seconds to fully extend your arms... and 30 seconds to fully retract them. Its pace that is so slow, that it barely looks like your arm is moving at all. At that pace... this section should take 16 minutes.
      But thats not all. All internal arts form practices... require a minimum of 1 hour worth of time. Any less than that... and your Tendons are not going to be stressed enough, to develop to become Stronger and Denser (among many other developments that also take place, from proper slow motion training methods).
      That means, you need to repeat the entire form, Four times in a row, without any rests between each Set... which will end up being a little over 1 hour.
      Since Most of the form it performed very quickly (explosive power speed)... that means that the MAJORITY of your efforts will be on the 3 Prayers Section.
      Ever wonder why that section is repeated 3x... yet NO other section is repeated, in ANY of the forms? This shows how much more Critically Important that this section is, over anything else.
      Unfortunately, most modern WC schools do not teach WC properly.. and completely misunderstand most / all of WCs Internal Arts methods... and so a lot of teachers dropped the internal training methods, long long ago.
      I have studied under 3 different WC schools... and only ONE of these schools, taught the Slow Motion section of the form. Not only that... but he was also the only one to make the entire class do the form like that, for an entire Hour long class (I believe we did at least one week, of nothing but 1hr long form work, at one point in our training)
      Of course, Internal Training benefits are not quick. You will have to do the 1hr form, a minimum of every other day... for like 3 consecutive months time... before the drastic changes happen, and become very apparent. And sadly, most practitioners, are simply not patient nor dedicated enough, to do this kind of training. Nor do they know all of the benefits that come from it.

  • @Lolitocat
    @Lolitocat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    梁贊家族詠春拳-傳承紀錄
    第二点,我们可以从当今传承到的武术来印证,去了解梁赞上一辈的人物传承,如梁二娣(三福),陆锦(大花面锦),徐癸酉(兰桂)等人,在乡村传下的功夫,如练头,三展/ 战/线,双功,铁线,铁打,八仙刀,六点半棍,九点十三枪,花拳/掌/刀/枪等等,都属于戏班武术(拳路兵器众多,不逐一列举)但基本都是用“永”字着称,统称为“班中永春”。而 小念头,沉/寻桥,标指等拳却从无提起,于当 时也没有流传。三拳都是出自梁赞之后,因此 咏春拳体系是梁赞一直归纳总结所得的拳法。 念头,寻桥,标指,是梁赞授徒的入门必修拳 术,多为拉伸锻炼功架,因而在后辈当中广泛 流传。叶问师承陈华顺一脉,为何用回咏春的“咏”字?其实在40年代的佛山星报就已经解释过(下图结尾的文字),同时也印证了咏春拳是梁赞纪念严咏春师祖而命名的拳法。
    所以叶问 在饭店职工会主教的时候,秉承梁璧的意旨,以致 咏春派拳技来作号召,纪念严咏春。

    • @SifuSergioChannel
      @SifuSergioChannel  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      please see this video th-cam.com/video/yl3ZxW-64sI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0Il8IoEJmV2MUMot. Ip Man never took lessons from Leung Bik. I will make another video about why he came up with the Leung Bik story in the near future

  • @mgk22
    @mgk22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Im really liking these videos. In this video that sifu mentions the “Baat Cham Dao” form so wait they did have Baat Cham Dao before Grandmaster Yip Man?? Or is this something they added later? Its just some are of the opinion that Yip Man completely invented the knives but its clear from your videos that knife forms were already there early on and in this case this sifu mentions Baat Cham Dao directly at the beginning there?

  • @MaxGreenV
    @MaxGreenV 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do you cultivate your chi?

  • @nelsonng7209
    @nelsonng7209 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So, is there any BIG different between Late Grandmaster Leung Jan Kung Fu and Yipman (Yuen) family Kung Fu? It's because they share similar name.

  • @Mindful_Quotes
    @Mindful_Quotes 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So who was the one that implemented the Chi-sao platform that allmost all lineages practice today?

    • @SifuSergioChannel
      @SifuSergioChannel  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Mindful_Quotes That Chi Sao platform comes down from Fok Bo Chuen-Yuen Kay San- Ip Man

    • @Mindful_Quotes
      @Mindful_Quotes 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SifuSergioChannel I see,so what is the hole point of this video since everybody even in IWKA they practice Chi-sao,with all the respect,you claim that you are looking in the roots of the art but what you are teaching in your organisation is different from that.I dont see any reason looking for back in history if you are not going to implement it.Its like finding a treasure and leaving it there,going back to the people saying i found a treasure looking like this.Thats how my small mind understands it.Again with all the respect.

    • @SifuSergioChannel
      @SifuSergioChannel  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Mindful_Quotes We are teaching the historical correct lineages through the programs of the Eternal Spring Institute concerning Wing Chun Kuen we are teaching the 1700’s Siu Lin Tau and the first versions of the Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze through the 1800’s program ( Snake Crane Wing Chun) Ps please read my book to be a bit Beter informed before making comments like that. Thank you

    • @Mindful_Quotes
      @Mindful_Quotes 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SifuSergioChannel So is it possible that you teach 1700 forms when the interviews you make are about a single form that later on seperated into 3 forms..the coment i made is besed on your videos and not from thin air,i m a member of your organisation and we learn sepereted forms,so whats the deal here?

    • @SifuSergioChannel
      @SifuSergioChannel  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Mindful_Quotes We teach the 1700s Siu Lin Tau as well as the Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze we cover the complete 1700s and 1800s time frames. The Gu Lao lineage however is a seperate branch not linked to the Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze. Read my book as you are confused. Furthermore the videos I make here on this channel as you can see when you go back to the videos over 10 years ago Etc are for the wider Wing Chun community and absolutely not only for my association, this channel is to educate. Ps please text again when you actually have read my book as so much will become clear to you. Thank you

  • @Triple-fe3fp
    @Triple-fe3fp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What point did the weapons come into his teachings?

    • @SifuSergioChannel
      @SifuSergioChannel  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Triple-fe3fp I will make a video about that in the future

  • @giuliancity2507
    @giuliancity2507 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is this the same long siu nim tao of yik kam wing chun?

  • @nelsonng7209
    @nelsonng7209 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I looked at your old videos, you said that it's better learn all the sources of Ipman lineage than just study under Ipman's student. But i can said that even you cannot complete the study. Maybe you already complete Yuen and Tam family lineage wing chun, but you definitely cannot finished Chan Wah Sun lineage. Their lineage got many forms that some forms are kept for sole holder of that lineage. Ipman also learned three set forms only from Chan's lineage.

    • @SifuSergioChannel
      @SifuSergioChannel  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@nelsonng7209 See my videos more clearly, originally the Chan Wha Sun lineage did not have Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze 😉 they added it later.

    • @nelsonng7209
      @nelsonng7209 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@SifuSergioChannel Thank you for your reply. I have one question. There is one late Master who shared similar experience as lpman. His name is Jiu Wan. Did his wing Chun style and training method are same as lpman?

    • @SifuSergioChannel
      @SifuSergioChannel  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nelsonng7209 Jiu Wan needs a lot of clarification maybe I will make a video about him in the future, what is sure however is that he was a student of Ip Man so his kung Fu mainly came from him.

  • @Andy-ud1gd
    @Andy-ud1gd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How can they have something called chasing hands, when chasing hands is against the wing chun principles.

    • @tobbefie76
      @tobbefie76 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe a more appropriate translation would be "collecting hands". Without Chinese characters hard to tell.

    • @tobbefie76
      @tobbefie76 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ah I overlooked the characters追形手. 追zhuī is pursuing, 形xíng is appearing, 手shǒu is hand. This is all Mandarin. I don't speak Cantonese. They not only have a different pronunciation and grammar but also sometimes a different interpretation of the character. 追zhuī has different meanings. It also means to reminisce, to recall. Note that the terminology in Wing Chun came to be before the Chinese renewed the language. Even to modern Chinese many of the old terminologies are unclear but they would never admit that. So many terms remain a mystery and true meaning can only be guessed. At least to non Chinese speakers.