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14:10 I love how, no matter what video, no matter what empire, no matter what period of history - you always know who is the bad guy thanks to you or your animator lol
the real issue with Tibet is not high atitude, you can always hire local to fight for you, the issue is logistic. logistic is greatly underestimated in history. the rise and fall of dynasty is frequently due to logistic changes. such as when shifting weather pattern push grain production centers further from the capital, this weaken the desire keep the army at the capital as it would be expensive to move food to the capital. the grand canal is build just to improve logistic. but how do chinese bring goods and supplies in to tibet? the mongol frequently conquer the tibetan, they ain't use to high atitude either, but they can ride on their "food", this is why they can be successful, it is a logistic problem. Tibet is a good and under cover topic that is worth more discussion.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl They most certainly did not. Islam is the only religion that on a daily basis, multiple times a day slaughters innocent people, beheads journalists, stabs cartoonists, shoots people sipping lattes at cafes, blows up market places of innocent people including innocent women and children, mutilates the genitalia of teenage girls, has men that tell women what to wear and whether they can travel unchaperoned, drive, or vote, has adult men marrying 12-year old girls, flies planes into buildings, burns people alive, etc. Islam is the most barbaric, evil, immoral, sick ideology on the planet. No other religion does those things constantly and consistently. Muslim have gone backward and there is evidence that Neanderthals were kinder, more spiritual. GTFO with your lies.
Actually, Buddhism is a pity much evolutionary. See at Buddhist six realm 1: Deva 2: Asura 3: humans 4: animals 5: hungry ghost 6: Naraka When the universe was born it was a dame hot that is hot Naraka and later it cooled down and formed galaxies and planetary and then first life form emerges that's is the hungry ghost and then time goes on many hungry ghosts evolve into many kinds of animals and then one of the animals evolve human and then human become highly technology that is Asura where you can change your biology body and then Asura becomes further advanced and becomes Deva and many eons later all the light in the universe dies off with blackness and cold that's is Cold Naraka. And then many many eons later universe born again that is hot Naraka and cycle goes on. This is the Buddhist cosmology of the Samsaric cycle.
I usually played Crusader Kings 3 on the 1066 start date so i always see all the kingdoms in the tibetan plateau already fragmented, but always wondered why some of the ruling dynasties there have such a high renown/fame Turns out they were this huge empire centuries prior
Finally someone covers this. I did a research project and presentation on it in University, but it's otherwise a totally uncharted topic. Thank you for addressing this.
CJ's correct pronunciation warms my SOUL. It's a huge pet peeve of mine when English speakers pronounce foreign words according to English phonetics. I read a lot of audiobooks, so I encounter it _constantly._ There's really no other explanation for why I was so moved by this video. THANK YOU!
@@tasse0599 Bold of you to assume I meant something so uncharitable. I was referencing the tendency, not to mispronounce by approximation (pronouncing "Xiran" as "Shiran"), but to mispronounce because you assumed English orthography could be universally applied to anything spelled with the Latin alphabet (pronouncing "Xiran" as "Zee ran" or "Ex-Iran"). And, actually, the word that prompted this comment was an English word that native speakers often mispronounce. It's a loanword, though, so it follows the rules of its own language and not English. I was impressed CJ got it right! You really just look foolish for becoming provoked by a comment that...was an insult to nobody, and not even directed at you. 🤷♀️ Like...why do you care about my opinion so much you felt a need to contradict me? Broadcast your insecurity a little louder, there, mate.
@@benni_thien Aww, thank you! 😊 Yeah, I'm over these randos who take umbrage at my trivial comments. Like...it's just-baffling. Some people really act like their disagreement with my opinions is a life or death issue? I'm a nerd, not a Nazi. It's okay if you disagree with my opinion.
Many many foreign languages pronounce foreign words in their own accent. English is the international language so some extra effort should be aplauded but not expected to the point of reprimanding. Examples that come to mind are how foreign words are pronounced in French are frankified and foreign words in Japanese are japanified. It's simply what people are capable of doing most of the time.
I’ve always interpreted the Tibetan Founding myth as a story of Homo sapiens meeting what we now know as Denisovans and founding what we now know as the Tibetan people. I don’t deny I’m probably wrong but I like the idea and it doing really hurt anything so I go with it.
It was more like a different group completely unrelated to proto-sino-Tibetans (because they didn’t exist yet) encountered Denisovans and mixed up with them a bit while causing them disappearing. They continued to exist in the region for a couple of thousands of years until proto-Tibetans arrived and mixed up with them while causing those groups to disappear.
Earliest of the early Tibetan skulls found show some degree of interbreeding between homo sapiens and another unknown homo species, other than neanderthal. The popular theory is Denisovans from Southern Siberia migrated Southwards to Tibet where they mixed with Cro-Magnons to form Modern Tibetans,Mongols, Altai people. Denisovan DNA can be found in Papuans in the highest concentration, but how it reached and why Papuans still look different than other groups carrying Denisovan DNA is still a big mystery. But thanks to CCP's "all Han policy" Tibetans would probably be all gone before we solve this mystery. The yeti, Altai apeman, Badmanou and other such cryptids could be the last remaining Denisovan or some sort of ancient hybrid tribe.
@@PaulAllen6304 I personally think as an autistic person that I constitute a separate hominid and that I have a different way of processing and relating and that a unique set of normalized behaviours is a component part of speciation. Because we know that homo sapien has interbred with at three different hominid species under the current definition we would all be one species. Another question I have is are extra terrestrials actual extra terrestrial? Why would a more developed hominid want to interact with us? What would they gain? Any answer you come up with they have technology and understanding far beyond ours that renders that point moot. Not to mention the fact that we’d be a bunch of twats and try to take their stuff. I’m not saying any of what I say is 100% factually accurate but I’ve yet to see conclusive proof to disprove it. Once you remove all that’s impossible everything else is equally possible, not necessarily probable. But possible none the less and must be given equal consideration in the interest of a true and complete answer. And for everyone that is skeptical…..if you discovered something that disproved a deeply held personal belief that you hold on faith…. What would you do? You would destroy it in rage. I, as a homo Felidae am more interested in being a factually correct contrarian than validating any one belief I hold. I hold very few as inalienable. Like that I’ve been accused of being a genius for decades so you don’t get to turn around now and tell me I’m broken and wrong because without really trying I pointed out inconvenient oversights that invalid years of effort and that pisses Homo sapiens off. I have no issues being wrong, please explain it to me so I can understand. Since I guess I’m a genius, other peoples words not mine, that means if you’re an expert by definition you should understand it well enough to be able to explain it to me so I can understand. If you can’t then you can’t really claim to be an expert. (I have said no where you have to. My comment is on capability, not intent. It’s how I know who else is a homo Felidae. They understand the concept the point of consideration and know I picked my words very carefully. They understand what I’m referring to instinctively. 🤷♀️)
well the Manchu not only conquered them in the 1700s but kept Tibet until early 1900s. Mongols were just good at conquering but not holding territory for a long time
Langdarma was around 6-8 century brother Mongolian came to Tibet around 12 th century ....they established the khoshut khanate ruled by gushri khan ....his descendants and his soldiers got mixed up with tibetan later on
Good video, about a mighty empire seldom talked about. Next time you could make something about the Tocharians or the Dali kingdom. These forgotten corners of history are always interesting.
@@blarg2429 do i have to no the burden/obligation still lies with the west dont need anyone to state reality they are part of _their_ history, not China's, failing to do so would be neglect and you know how the west are in that regard
@@GL-iv4rw I understand where you're coming from, but preventing people from studying history unless that history revolves around their own culture is too far. It is, ironically enough, racist. I do very much agree that the mainstream western perspective on a great many topics, especially those pertaining to the east, is a simplistic and wrongheaded perspective indeed, but without the freedom to seek this type of knowledge the situation cannot improve. Furthermore, while studying a culture and history you do not participate in has many pitfalls, studying a culture and history to which you are native has pitfalls of its own. For example, most countries deny any war crimes committed by their militaries, refusing to educate their own citizens about these events and sometimes actively suppressing information on the topic; and in general there is a risk of nationalistic pride skewing someone's perspective. If a native historian can look past their pride when it gets in the way of the truth, so can a foreign one.
Just found your channel through History with Cy, it’s great! I’ve been looking for well researched info about eastern Asia, outside of China, thank you!
This is fascinating. I study violence in Asian traditions, and it is astounding to see how it is existed both within and without of a culture that people often label as completely pacifistic.
Korea basically exists because the Tibetans drew troops away from Tang's Eastern Frontier, allowing the Silla forces to drive out the Tang-allied Jurchen contingents from the peninsula. I am surprised the bit about Xue Rengui being routed was omitted from the video.
@@GL-iv4rw Bro Manchurian are literally gone, I’m one myself by genes but moved overboard, we don’t even care and honestly the people are already assimilated
@@GL-iv4rw I am Manchu Chinese, and thank you for known our existence. But how can I hate Chinese when I am Chinese myself? I don’t hate my country and Han Chinese so stop those bs
Zhang Zhung kingdom is arguably older than Egyptians and Sumerians. Tibetans almost wiped out their remnants. Only in Ladakh some traditions are of old bon.
@@bavii5189 Bhutanese is NOT Tibetan and were never ever considered in any period of Tibetan history, they were never directly a part of the Tibetan empire ever. They fall under , below the Himalayas, south of the mountains, it was extremely difficult to maintain long standing control over a region as such. They just paid taxes to our government
@@sonam1959_ Bhutan never existed until Tibetans migrated to the area in 9th century and later Tibetan monk named the region Bhutan. Dzongkha is Tibetan dialect.
2:38 Nice segue lol. Edit: Very cool video also. The Tibetan empire is the Mithani empire of the east: epic, fascinating, mighty and utterly snobbed by history fans.
Do the Chinese teach also this in school? Just curious. If for example the developers of age of empires 4 would add the Tibetans as a playable civ would the Chinese government ban the game?
@@taejo4975 they were defending their nation against an invading force. The reasons behind the greco Persian rivalry is long and complicated but the Spartans and the Greek forces were defending an invading force. Simple as that. I don't know how anyone can brand them as rebels! Lfmao
Awesome video as always my dudes. Also it'd be cool in the future to see you guys cover more of Southeast Asia ( perhaps Narai's embassy with King Louis XIV 8r discuss the rise and fall of the Angkor Wat/ just some of my favorite videos of yours was when you covered Majapahit and Vietnam).
While you re at it with the early narration of legend / history .. why not follow up with the history / legend figure guru padmashambava .. how much historical is he ?
Can you do a history of the Gar Clan in Tibet and what happened to their clan after some were chased to china. I know later that much later there was a Gara lama also known as Nora rinpoche who was at Riwoche in Kham who the yellow hats accused of being a chinese spy. He went to china and became an important figure who revived vajrayana in china. Chiang Kai Shek gave him control over Buddhism in nationalist china and he established a center in Sichuan (or Chongqing). Would love to hear a more nuanced history of that family.
CJ: "Tibetan myth holds that humanity came to be when a particular monkey was blackmailed into sex by a snake demoness." The History Channel: "WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!"
@@Sparticulous hey bro, you can check history n tell me...I always stand by the truth, that's why I'm telling the truth. by the way I'm rakesh from bangladesh we support humanity
Mates, all empires crumbled because if failed finances. Tibetan Empire no exception, as the land left idle because men went to become monks, and population shrank. Hastened the decline, they even joint forces with the Mongolians and Manchurians to conquer China Proper. Escaped from the hook, as Han Chinese just drive the Mongolians out. But, the Han Chinese toppled the Manchurian Empire all upside down, so inherit the empire which included Tibet. This is in accordance with the International laws. Had India toppled the British Empire all the way at London, then it inherits both Australia and Canada. Thumbs up.
This is a great episode and one of the few that explores Tibetan history in detail. I would love to see your take on other periods such as the Zhangzhung and Sumpa, the Era of Fragmentation, and the Yuan vassalage and rise and fall of the Guge kingdom.
Very interesting video, I'd like to point out that speakers of the western tibetic branches speak one of the purest and archaic forms of the Tibetan language, these include people of Kinanur, Lahaul & Spiti, Ladakh, Zanskar, Ngari (Tibet), Gilgit and Baltistan and even those from Amdo. These regions are historically classified as "western tibet" , which was the land of the aryans or "Arya", the initial bon religion worshippers and followers of Tonpa Sherap, who was a Tajiki himself, having migrated from the Pamirs, and his disciples from the greater steppes of Central Asia and the Karakoram, the original inhabitants of Western Central Tibet (Ngari, Purang) and Ladakh, Baltistan, were all Indo Europeans, particularly Iranic people, in Ladakh known as the Mons, a people group closely related to Dards, who are found scattered all throughout Kashmir and POK, and northern Pakistan. The Bon religion is very similar to Zoroastrianism, you can see bon worshippers in the Iranic populations of Pakistan, Gilgit Baltistanis, etc. The region of Amdo is also very complex, the earliest settlers in the region were people related to the Scynthians, who were Iranic, who were great horsemen who used the great steppes to their advantage, mummifications and stone inscriptions are found all over Amdo and the Xinjiang Uyghur region. The Chinese have tried to destroy us and our heritage, but they will not take away our history. I would appreciate if you made another video about western tibetan regions and empires such as Guge, those of Ngari, Ladakh, Mustang Nepal, Zanskar, these are all regions where tibetan culture was born and modern day tibetan culture as we know it was adapted from, as well as the ancient Tibetan Bon religion and it's connections with Zoroastrianism and Persia.
Tibet is geographically Vast. Ancient Tibet does have connections with Persian, Indians & Arabs. But modern Tibetan were all Tibeto- Burman ethnic groups. Genetically Modern Tibetans were related to other East Asian population such as Chinese. Average Tibetan is 82% East Asian, 11% Central Asian with 8% others.
@@tsewangrinzin2421 "Tibeto-Burman" is not an ethnic group or a linguistic group, people can adopt languages, that doesn't change your genetic makeup. The oldest tibetans are found in Ladakh, they have dardic mixture, original tibetans are related to Iranic people groups. Common knowledge, the mongols swept out the native population of Central Asia.
@@tsewangrinzin2421 There is not enough research done on Tibetan people for you to come to a conclusion as such. Not to mention, people from every region of tibet has different genetic makeup, the most archaic tibetans are found in Western and northern tibet ( Amdo, Ngari, Changtang)
Tibetan were not related to Iranic people in a similar way as Northern Indians are. Linguist had noted a similarity between Tibetan, Burmese & Chinese language. With the exception of some Buddhist terms, Tibetan language is not related to neither India nor Persia. Even if we look at old Tibetan from Dunhuang manuscripts of 8th century, the Tibetan as a language hardly changed. I read couple Tibetan manuscripts of 8th century. Even the Mongols like tribes were present since the beginning in the Eurasian steppe. It is only 11th Century, with the rise of Genghis khan, the Mongols became a Global force even conquering Tibet & China. But the Mongols had not swept the native of Tibet. The Dunhuang manuscripts predates the rise of Mongols.
@@tsewangrinzin2421 Northern India is inhabited by Tibetic people groups too. Also, learn to separate language and ones ancestry. You could speak a Indo-euroepan language but still be from a turkic dominant country and have turkic ancestry or vice versa. Ancient Tibetan language is very complicated, if you want to udenrstand ancient tibetan language and culture take a look at Ladakh. NO, the natives of the Central Asia particularly northern tibet were the tocharians, not mongol people. The Mongols dispopulated ALL of the region, don't get it twisted
I know this is a really off topic question but I don't really know anyone else to come and ask it and Google wasn't of much help! What would you call someone obsessed with Asian culture apart from Japan or Korea? Around here we have Koreaboo's, Weeaboo's, even for Nazi Germany we have Wehraboo, I'd sincerely appreciate your input as I've heard other names but none seem to be quite standardized as the ones previously mentioned.
Good stuff. Not many people know that Tibet had an empire that even managed to successfully invade Han China several times. Also, not many people know the history of the Dalai Lamas, which could be compared to that of the Pope, or at least a Patriarch, in the west.
lol The Tibetan Empire, collapsed in the late 9th century and never rose up to be a unified country again. The position of Dalai Lama was never remotely comparable to the Pope in terms of influence. Its See & lineage only started in early 15th century as the head of the Gelug school ("Yellow Hat") of Tibetan Buddhism. The sector remained obscure until late 16th century. By the time it reached its zenith in late 17th century, it enjoyed the status of being the most dominant religion in the regions of Khalkha Mongolia, Tuva, Dzungaria, Tarim Basin, and parts of Nepal and Bhutan. Not a single country on the list above had a population greater than 1 million. The office of Dalai Lama only briefly rose to political prominence during the rein of the Fifth Dalai Lama between 1640s and 1680s. Even during these decades the Dalai Lama was technically a vassal of the Khoshut Khans of Oriat Mongols who ruled over Tibet. The Khoshut princes took back the power from the regency appointed by the Great Fifth after his death. The subsequent factional struggle between the Dalai Lama's Gelug School and the rival Karmapa Lama's Karma Kagyu School (the "Red Hat") brought about Dzungarian occupation of Tibet, and finally the incorporation of Tibet into the Chinese Qing Empire in 1721. It was under the Qing's rule, the Gelug School was given the precedence over the other three schools and Dalai Lama was installed as both the religious leader and secular prince over the region of U-Tsang and Westnern Kham. The high name recognition of the title "Dalai Lama" among modern Westerners results from the great works of advocacy carried out by the incumbent 14th Dalai Lama and his associates, after the exile to the West of him and his followers in 1959. As popular as the 14th Dalai Lama has been in the past decades in the West, the image of influence he projects today is not a proportionally accurate reflection of the clout his office actually wielded in history. The analogy drawn between Lalai Lama of Lhasa and the Pontiff of Rome in terms of historical influence is utterly nonsensical.
@@fanuelcui1109 Sure, that's a good explanation, which is why I also included the caveat that he would "at least" be comparable to that of a Patriarch. I did not write the above as some sort of idolization of the Dalai Lama or the Tibetan Empire, but rather as perspective on the inherently and factually political and belligerent history of Tibet and its leadership. Are you sure you disagree with my position?
Chinese sending a princess or other nations maybe requesting one for better relations sounds interesting. Orkhon inscriptions talk about a similar thing too.
（Heqing） send princess is actually quite a common policy of all Chinese dynasty, I think only Ming did not have this practice. It give Chinese dynasty some influences in foreign court, while foreign entities have assurance(hostage) they will be not be attacked and trade occur normalcy. It does not always work. Also, normally, it someone with royal blood but not direct offspring of the imperial family.
No, language group is not the best marker for culture & ethnicity, the Tibetan culture is much closer to the pastoralist nomads and the surrounding culture. Not only that, their DNA has evolved to adapt to high-altitude life.
In Buddhist cosmology this planet, or even this universe, isn't the first. Others have already taken place and had Buddhas appear in them as happened historically on earth. Bodhisattvas like Avalokiteshvara then appear continuously to help lead beings to liberation whenever there are the circumstances to do so.
Are they unchallenged by external forces because they’re actually “mighty” or simply because of geography? They didn’t seem to win any significant battles or conquer territories outside of the Tibetan plateau, the times they win against Tang China is because the Tang are more focused elsewhere or are experiencing a potential dynasty-ending rebellion lol. It just seems like the other major powers around them didn’t care too much about the Tibetan plateau to try and conquer them seriously.
Tibetan empire streches around present day baltistan in pakistan, ladakh xinjiang, nepal, bbutan, parts of myammar ... even came upto ganga river in india...
Bro why so much hate on tibetans….u clearly didn’t research before yap-pin….they fought in plains of arab land with the abassids and won against chinese tang
Tang version: _Long story about the Tibetans' shameful display._ Tibetan version: "We beat the shit out of them and got their princess' hand in marriage." Impossible to say which is the more accurate account, but at least the Tibetans were concise.
There is a stone pillar or tablet of treaty between Tibetan and Chinese. It reads.. "..... Tibetans shall be happy in the land of Tibet, and Chinese in the land of China"... It is still there.
Thats... curious how tibetans have legends that are basically humans evolving from apes and spreading around the world, while also mentioning ice age and etc. Kinda... strange. Interesting.
The vídeo is beautiful to watch, the subject is very interesting but ... Why you speak soooo fast? It is difficult to understand this kind of information with different names and all as it was a person narrating a horse race. Please, speak a little more slow in a comfortable way to talk and listen. Nobody speak this way in a conversation, so at certain point to listen become uncomfortable. Thank you
Breakaway part of India? Lol where did you learn that. Our history dates back to Kiratas who dominated the hills and the mountains back then. Mentions of Nepali woolen rugs can be found in Chanakays arthashastra itself which is old as 3rd BCE.
there wasnt nepal lichhavi dyansty here is being referred as nepal, word nepal was only used during malla dynasty and after the unification of nepal in the 19th century
Basically Tibet surrendered to Mongols when they reached border without major battles, since the place was divided and did not have a united force to stop the Mongols.
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Samye Debate part seems to have an error. It says the date as ( 792 - 7. Part of it seems to be missing
Hm i think than many nations have empire, s in past. (and many was forgotten like for example Bulgaria)
14:10 I love how, no matter what video, no matter what empire, no matter what period of history - you always know who is the bad guy thanks to you or your animator lol
the real issue with Tibet is not high atitude, you can always hire local to fight for you, the issue is logistic. logistic is greatly underestimated in history. the rise and fall of dynasty is frequently due to logistic changes. such as when shifting weather pattern push grain production centers further from the capital, this weaken the desire keep the army at the capital as it would be expensive to move food to the capital. the grand canal is build just to improve logistic. but how do chinese bring goods and supplies in to tibet? the mongol frequently conquer the tibetan, they ain't use to high atitude either, but they can ride on their "food", this is why they can be successful, it is a logistic problem. Tibet is a good and under cover topic that is worth more discussion.
I would like to see the animated story of the Monyul Kingdom of Monpa too.
As a Tibetan, this is much needed and thank you for covering tibetan history. 👍 it's very rare that people cover tibetan history on TH-cam.
Hello, im Pole and im really interested in current Tibet. I would be really happy if i can ask you some questions.
I agree !
@@Astrophilist what're you yapping on about? You good?
yeah yeah im alright .... R u Tibetian@@dawagensapa6885
Yeah good ! ok@@dawagensapa6885
I've done some academic study of Tibetan Buddhism and even tried (And failed) to learn Standard Tibetan, so seeing this makes me extremely happy!
Fascinating. They basically figured out evolution in a spiritual/religious sense.
Muslims also did that
Pretty much everyone and every culture that is successful at *anything* has figured that shit out tho...
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl They most certainly did not. Islam is the only religion that on a daily basis, multiple times a day slaughters innocent people, beheads journalists, stabs cartoonists, shoots people sipping lattes at cafes, blows up market places of innocent people including innocent women and children, mutilates the genitalia of teenage girls, has men that tell women what to wear and whether they can travel unchaperoned, drive, or vote, has adult men marrying 12-year old girls, flies planes into buildings, burns people alive, etc. Islam is the most barbaric, evil, immoral, sick ideology on the planet. No other religion does those things constantly and consistently. Muslim have gone backward and there is evidence that Neanderthals were kinder, more spiritual. GTFO with your lies.
@@ausgepicht I love Muslims, they’re are based af
Actually, Buddhism is a pity much evolutionary. See at Buddhist six realm
1: Deva
2: Asura
3: humans
4: animals
5: hungry ghost
6: Naraka
When the universe was born it was a dame hot that is hot Naraka and later it cooled down and formed galaxies and planetary and then first life form emerges that's is the hungry ghost and then time goes on many hungry ghosts evolve into many kinds of animals and then one of the animals evolve human and then human become highly technology that is Asura where you can change your biology body and then Asura becomes further advanced and becomes Deva and many eons later all the light in the universe dies off with blackness and cold that's is Cold Naraka. And then many many eons later universe born again that is hot Naraka and cycle goes on. This is the Buddhist cosmology of the Samsaric cycle.
I usually played Crusader Kings 3 on the 1066 start date so i always see all the kingdoms in the tibetan plateau already fragmented, but always wondered why some of the ruling dynasties there have such a high renown/fame
Turns out they were this huge empire centuries prior
you should try more start dates mod, tibet op in those
@@prodbasedmystik got it on xbox
Not to mention that Buddhism is almost got rid in the CK3 start because of that attempted eradication by pro-bon factions.
Great video, Tibet is such a strange but wonderful place historically.
Finally someone covers this. I did a research project and presentation on it in University, but it's otherwise a totally uncharted topic. Thank you for addressing this.
CJ's correct pronunciation warms my SOUL. It's a huge pet peeve of mine when English speakers pronounce foreign words according to English phonetics. I read a lot of audiobooks, so I encounter it _constantly._ There's really no other explanation for why I was so moved by this video. THANK YOU!
Are you expecting english speakers to use sounds they don't have in their inventory?
@@tasse0599 Bold of you to assume I meant something so uncharitable. I was referencing the tendency, not to mispronounce by approximation (pronouncing "Xiran" as "Shiran"), but to mispronounce because you assumed English orthography could be universally applied to anything spelled with the Latin alphabet (pronouncing "Xiran" as "Zee ran" or "Ex-Iran").
And, actually, the word that prompted this comment was an English word that native speakers often mispronounce. It's a loanword, though, so it follows the rules of its own language and not English. I was impressed CJ got it right!
You really just look foolish for becoming provoked by a comment that...was an insult to nobody, and not even directed at you. 🤷♀️ Like...why do you care about my opinion so much you felt a need to contradict me? Broadcast your insecurity a little louder, there, mate.
@@azdajajeanne Thanks for the answer. I just wanted to answer that myself, but you phrased it better than I could have.
@@benni_thien Aww, thank you! 😊 Yeah, I'm over these randos who take umbrage at my trivial comments. Like...it's just-baffling. Some people really act like their disagreement with my opinions is a life or death issue? I'm a nerd, not a Nazi. It's okay if you disagree with my opinion.
Many many foreign languages pronounce foreign words in their own accent. English is the international language so some extra effort should be aplauded but not expected to the point of reprimanding. Examples that come to mind are how foreign words are pronounced in French are frankified and foreign words in Japanese are japanified. It's simply what people are capable of doing most of the time.
as a tibetan, thank you for covering my heritage and its powerful past!
Are you in china now?? In xijiang??
@@silversurfer2977 dude, those are two different places
Overseas Tibetan ??
Tibet is a different country, not the same as China.. he could be living in US or India or in Tibet... But Tibet is not china bruh
He might be in lhasa, shigatse, kham or toey... These are all Tibet
Thank you for making a video about Tibetan history, and I can't wait for the history of the Uyghur Khaganate and the fall of the Tang Dynasty.
I’ve always interpreted the Tibetan Founding myth as a story of Homo sapiens meeting what we now know as Denisovans and founding what we now know as the Tibetan people. I don’t deny I’m probably wrong but I like the idea and it doing really hurt anything so I go with it.
It was more like a different group completely unrelated to proto-sino-Tibetans (because they didn’t exist yet) encountered Denisovans and mixed up with them a bit while causing them disappearing. They continued to exist in the region for a couple of thousands of years until proto-Tibetans arrived and mixed up with them while causing those groups to disappear.
Earliest of the early Tibetan skulls found show some degree of interbreeding between homo sapiens and another unknown homo species, other than neanderthal.
The popular theory is Denisovans from Southern Siberia migrated Southwards to Tibet where they mixed with Cro-Magnons to form Modern Tibetans,Mongols, Altai people. Denisovan DNA can be found in Papuans in the highest concentration, but how it reached and why Papuans still look different than other groups carrying Denisovan DNA is still a big mystery.
But thanks to CCP's "all Han policy" Tibetans would probably be all gone before we solve this mystery.
The yeti, Altai apeman, Badmanou and other such cryptids could be the last remaining Denisovan or some sort of ancient hybrid tribe.
According to Tibetan legend Nyatri Tsenpo the founder of Yarlung dynasty was pull to heaven with a cord when he was dead
History Channel: ALIENS 😆
@@PaulAllen6304 I personally think as an autistic person that I constitute a separate hominid and that I have a different way of processing and relating and that a unique set of normalized behaviours is a component part of speciation. Because we know that homo sapien has interbred with at three different hominid species under the current definition we would all be one species.
Another question I have is are extra terrestrials actual extra terrestrial? Why would a more developed hominid want to interact with us? What would they gain? Any answer you come up with they have technology and understanding far beyond ours that renders that point moot. Not to mention the fact that we’d be a bunch of twats and try to take their stuff. I’m not saying any of what I say is 100% factually accurate but I’ve yet to see conclusive proof to disprove it. Once you remove all that’s impossible everything else is equally possible, not necessarily probable. But possible none the less and must be given equal consideration in the interest of a true and complete answer.
And for everyone that is skeptical…..if you discovered something that disproved a deeply held personal belief that you hold on faith…. What would you do? You would destroy it in rage. I, as a homo Felidae am more interested in being a factually correct contrarian than validating any one belief I hold. I hold very few as inalienable. Like that I’ve been accused of being a genius for decades so you don’t get to turn around now and tell me I’m broken and wrong because without really trying I pointed out inconvenient oversights that invalid years of effort and that pisses Homo sapiens off. I have no issues being wrong, please explain it to me so I can understand. Since I guess I’m a genius, other peoples words not mine, that means if you’re an expert by definition you should understand it well enough to be able to explain it to me so I can understand. If you can’t then you can’t really claim to be an expert. (I have said no where you have to. My comment is on capability, not intent. It’s how I know who else is a homo Felidae. They understand the concept the point of consideration and know I picked my words very carefully. They understand what I’m referring to instinctively. 🤷♀️)
@@ironheart5830 nyatri tsenpo hands were like ducks....we read in tibetan story book....
Everyone: The chill and thin air made the Tibetans nearly invincible in their own lands.
The Mongols: Hold my spear
well the Manchu not only conquered them in the 1700s but kept Tibet until early 1900s. Mongols were just good at conquering but not holding territory for a long time
Tibet is harsh but this didn't stop a lot of other empires from conquering tibet, mongols, khasa (nepali+indian), turks, persians, etc.
Yes, Tang Chinese victory come at the cost of their war god‘s lung, and passed away 3years later.
@@dsong2006 Tibetan empire has 70 times larger army.
@andrew ansyon nobody cares about nepal,lol
I'm really glad your channel is growing. Thanks to you, the history of the peoples of Asia is accessible to me and helping me to grow as a person.
Gotta say his pronunciation of Tibetan words are spot on..
He is tibetan
@@ctynwbraygalm i don't think he is, why do you say that?
yes i was surprised as well
Thank you for such an important information 🙏
Nicely done! Saying this as someone who has tried to know about Tibetan history.
Langdarma is so infamous in Tibetan Buddhism that his name is used to mean "apostate", or "bad person", in Mongolian.
Never heard langdarma word in mongolian language
@@ganbat Zoomer yumuu huu? Humuusiig Landram gej heldeg shdee.
Langdarma was around 6-8 century brother Mongolian came to Tibet around 12 th century ....they established the khoshut khanate ruled by gushri khan ....his descendants and his soldiers got mixed up with tibetan later on
An underrated topic on an underrated channel
Good video, about a mighty empire seldom talked about. Next time you could make something about the Tocharians or the Dali kingdom. These forgotten corners of history are always interesting.
Tocharians are Indo-Europeans thus is the job of westerners/white people to cover them
@G L ????
@@GL-iv4rw You don't have the authority to decide such a thing, nor is it possible for any person to legitimately claim that authority.
@@blarg2429 do i have to no the burden/obligation still lies with the west dont need anyone to state reality they are part of _their_ history, not China's, failing to do so would be neglect and you know how the west are in that regard
@@GL-iv4rw I understand where you're coming from, but preventing people from studying history unless that history revolves around their own culture is too far. It is, ironically enough, racist.
I do very much agree that the mainstream western perspective on a great many topics, especially those pertaining to the east, is a simplistic and wrongheaded perspective indeed, but without the freedom to seek this type of knowledge the situation cannot improve.
Furthermore, while studying a culture and history you do not participate in has many pitfalls, studying a culture and history to which you are native has pitfalls of its own. For example, most countries deny any war crimes committed by their militaries, refusing to educate their own citizens about these events and sometimes actively suppressing information on the topic; and in general there is a risk of nationalistic pride skewing someone's perspective.
If a native historian can look past their pride when it gets in the way of the truth, so can a foreign one.
Thanks for written inspired caption and clear interpreting 👍😁🙏Beri Jampa
Just found your channel through History with Cy, it’s great! I’ve been looking for well researched info about eastern Asia, outside of China, thank you!
My families religion is Buddhism and my family is from Vietnam so it’s Mahayana Buddhism
Amazing, got to tell my friends about Tibet.. Thank You..
so quick i want more
Whoop! The historical summaries are back.
This is fascinating. I study violence in Asian traditions, and it is astounding to see how it is existed both within and without of a culture that people often label as completely pacifistic.
Thank you for making this video sir.
Cool video! I'm waiting for Yughur-Uygur Empire. And also Qocho and Ganzhou Kingdoms.
Awesome
Your channel is great and very informative thank you for all of the knowledge I love learning about eastern cultures and empires!
"According to Mani Kabum, the ancestor of the Tibetans was a monkey".
So the Theory of Evolution pre dates Darwin ? The more you know, right guys .
it was a hybrid, monkey + demon
@@fannyalbi9040 details.
@@cgt3704 watch the video again
@@fannyalbi9040 dude. It was a joke.
@@cgt3704 that’s the reason i lazy to elaborate
BUDDHA BLESS TIBET
Wait, they went to Mordor? Are the Tibetans and the Orks related?
No, Orkney's an entire continent away.
yes
Bravo
Korea basically exists because the Tibetans drew troops away from Tang's Eastern Frontier, allowing the Silla forces to drive out the Tang-allied Jurchen contingents from the peninsula.
I am surprised the bit about Xue Rengui being routed was omitted from the video.
Tang + Khitan + Jurchen vs Silla + Goryeo
But in present day Koreans and Manchurians like each other and hate Chinese 😂
@@GL-iv4rw Bro Manchurian are literally gone, I’m one myself by genes but moved overboard, we don’t even care and honestly the people are already assimilated
@@GL-iv4rw I am Manchu Chinese, and thank you for known our existence. But how can I hate Chinese when I am Chinese myself? I don’t hate my country and Han Chinese so stop those bs
@@taejo4975 你是ABC？你还会说中文吗？
Very cool
Thank you for bringing this content. Now i know. 🥰
Thank you for the animated timeline
Zhang Zhung kingdom is arguably older than Egyptians and Sumerians. Tibetans almost wiped out their remnants. Only in Ladakh some traditions are of old bon.
Zhang zhung is our old kingdom. Just like Bhutanese are tibetan but still recognized as their own kingdom.
@@bavii5189 Bhutanese is NOT Tibetan and were never ever considered in any period of Tibetan history, they were never directly a part of the Tibetan empire ever. They fall under , below the Himalayas, south of the mountains, it was extremely difficult to maintain long standing control over a region as such. They just paid taxes to our government
@@sonam1959_ I think a monk who fled Tibet created Bhutan 🇧🇹 no .
@@sonam1959_ Bhutan never existed until Tibetans migrated to the area in 9th century and later Tibetan monk named the region Bhutan. Dzongkha is Tibetan dialect.
@@bavii5189yep Bhutan Sikkim Tibet Arunachal are Tibetan states
ODD COMPASS has a very informative video on the 'TIBETAN EMPIRE'
Highly recommended...!!!
Agreed
It's literally impossible for a regular person to live at those heights, let alone fight wars.
whoo hoo 2nd!
2:38
Nice segue lol.
Edit:
Very cool video also. The Tibetan empire is the Mithani empire of the east: epic, fascinating, mighty and utterly snobbed by history fans.
How about Uyghur Khaganate (also other Turkic empires) vs Tibetan Empire battles
Also Uyghur vs Dzungar & Tocharians (natives Tarim Basin/ Ancient Xinjiang)
Tocharians and Tibetans shared a close relationship, proof is in Gansu Xinjiang-Qinghai Tibet
needs to do one on gokturk for sure
Do the Chinese teach also this in school? Just curious. If for example the developers of age of empires 4 would add the Tibetans as a playable civ would the Chinese government ban the game?
Not a chance, even Spartan’s 3000 heroes depicted as rebels instead of standing against the Persian army in Chinese school text book.
中学的历史课上会教，不过不会讲的太多。真的要学习的话大学有专门的专业课程。说实话如果帝国时代4将西藏人作为可玩文明的话中国人应该会很高兴
@@unien6781 ཉིན་དེར་གནམ་གཤིས་དྭངས་བས་མཆོད་རྟེན་བྱ་རུང་ཁ་ཤོར་ལ་སྐོར་རར་ཕྱིན། ལམ་དུ་བལ་ཡུལ་རྣམ་རྒྱལ་མཐོ་སློབ་ཀྱི་བོད་ཡིག་དགེ་རྒན་ལྷག་པ་ལགས་ནས་ཁ་པར་འབྱོར་ཏེ་དུས་ཁོམ་ཡོད་ན་མཉམ་དུ་ཁ་ལག་བཟའ་བར་འགྲོ་ཟེར། ཁོང་ནི་དེ་སྔོན་ས་རཱ་བོད་ཀྱི་མཐོ་རིམ་གཉེར་ཁང་ནས་སློབ་མཐར་ཕྱིན་པ་དང་། དེ་རྗེས་རྣམ་རྒྱལ་མཐོ་སློབ་ཏུ་བོད་ཡིག་དགེ་རྒན་གྱི་ཕྱག་ལས་གནང་ནས་ཡུན་རིང་སོང་བའི་དགེ་རྒན་རྙིང་གྲས་ཤིག་རེད། ཁོང་ལ་ཁས་ལེན་གྱིས་ཕྱི་ཉིན་མཆོད་རྟེན་མདུན་སྒོར་ཐུག་རྒྱུར་ཁས་བླངས། ཁ་ཆད་བྱས་པ་ལྟར་ཕྱི་ཉིན་དེར་མཆོད་རྟེན་མདུན་སྒོར་ཐུག་མཚམས་གློའི་ཟ་ཁང་ཞིག་ཏུ་བལ་པོའི་ཁ་ལག་བཟའ་བར་མཉམ་དུ་བསྐྱོད། ཟ་ཁང་དེར་ཁ་ལག་ཟ་ཞོར་སྔ་རྒྱུས་ད་རྒྱུས་སྣ་ཚོགས་གླེང་ནས་ཡུན་རིང་བསྡད།
དེ་ནས་ཐོན་ཁར་ཁོང་གི་འཛིན་གྲྭའི་སློབ་ཕྲུག་རྣམས་ལ་བོད་ཀྱི་སྐད་ཡིག་གི་གལ་གནད་སྐོར་ལ་སྐད་ཆ་ཐུང་ཙམ་ཞིག་ཤོད་ཅེས་བརྗོད་པས། འདས་པའི་མི་ལོ་བཅུ་གཅིག་ཙམ་གྱི་རིང་རང་ངོས་ནས་ཐད་ཀར་བོད་ཀྱི་སྐད་ཡིག་དང་འབྲེལ་བའི་ཐོག་དོ་སྣང་གང་ཡང་མ་བྱས་སྟབས། འདི་འདྲ་ཞིག་བཤད་ན་ཕན་ཆེ་སྙམ་པ་གང་ཡང་སེམས་ལ་མ་ཤར་བ་མ་ཟད། ཁོང་གི་སློབ་ཕྲུག་ཁྲོད་བལ་ཡུལ་མཐའ་མཚམས་ཁུལ་ནས་ཡིན་པའི་ཧི་མ་ལ་ཡའི་བོད་རིགས་ཀྱང་མང་དུ་ཡོད་པར་བརྟེན་དེ་བས་བསམ་གཞིགས་དགོས་པ་ཆགས། འོན་ཀྱང་ཁོང་གིས་རང་མི་རིགས་ཀྱི་སྐད་ཡིག་ལ་བཅངས་པའི་ལྷག་བསམ་དེར་རྒྱབ་སྐྱོར་མཚོན་ཕྱིར་དང་། རང་ཡང་མཐོ་སློབ་དེ་མཐོང་འདོད་པས་གཤམ་གྱི་རྩོམ་ཡིག་འདི་ཁོང་གི་སློབ་ཕྲུག་ཚོར་གྲ་སྒྲིག་ཞུས།
རྣམ་ཀུན་སྐད་ཡིག་གི་གལ་གནད་གླེང་ཚེ་སྐད་ཡིག་གང་ལ་དབང་སའི་མི་རིགས་དེ་མ་གླེང་ཐབས་མེད་བྱེད་ཅིང་། དེའི་རྒྱུ་མཚན་ནི་མི་རིགས་གང་དེ་གྲངས་མང་མི་རིགས་ཁོངས་སུ་མངོན་མེད་སིམ་ཡལ་དུ་མི་འགྱུར་བ་དང་། རང་བཞིན་རྩ་བརླག་ཏུ་མི་འགྲོ་བའི་དོན་དུ་སྐད་ཡིག་དེ་སྲུང་སྐྱོབ་དགོས་པར་ནན་བརྗོད་བྱེད། དེ་ནི་སྐད་ཡིག་སྲུང་སྐྱོབ་དགོས་པའི་སྤྱི་ཡོངས་ཀྱི་རྒྱུ་མཚན་ཞིག་ཀྱང་རེད། མཐར་གཏུགས་ན་སྐད་ཡིག་སྲུང་སྐྱོབ་ཅེས་པ་མི་རིགས་དེ་མ་བརླག་པའི་དོན་དུ་ཡིན་པས། དེ་ནི་ཆབ་སྲིད་འཐབ་རྕོད་ཀྱི་ལྟ་བའི་ཆ་ནས་འགྲེལ་ཚུལ་ཞིག་ཀྱང་ཡིན་ངེས།
@@gutsikkyamo8426 Well you ever look into why?
@@taejo4975 they were defending their nation against an invading force. The reasons behind the greco Persian rivalry is long and complicated but the Spartans and the Greek forces were defending an invading force. Simple as that. I don't know how anyone can brand them as rebels! Lfmao
Awesome video as always my dudes. Also it'd be cool in the future to see you guys cover more of Southeast Asia ( perhaps Narai's embassy with King Louis XIV 8r discuss the rise and fall of the Angkor Wat/ just some of my favorite videos of yours was when you covered Majapahit and Vietnam).
Can you please make more about Tibet.
While you re at it with the early narration of legend / history .. why not follow up with the history / legend figure guru padmashambava .. how much historical is he ?
Can you do a history of the Gar Clan in Tibet and what happened to their clan after some were chased to china. I know later that much later there was a Gara lama also known as Nora rinpoche who was at Riwoche in Kham who the yellow hats accused of being a chinese spy. He went to china and became an important figure who revived vajrayana in china. Chiang Kai Shek gave him control over Buddhism in nationalist china and he established a center in Sichuan (or Chongqing). Would love to hear a more nuanced history of that family.
CJ: "Tibetan myth holds that humanity came to be when a particular monkey was blackmailed into sex by a snake demoness."
The History Channel: "WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!"
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Yeah I only learned about this empire trying to learn about the Tang Dynasty
tang empire is part of tibetan empire
@@premchopra6521 um no
@@Sparticulous hey bro, you can check history n tell me...I always stand by the truth, that's why I'm telling the truth. by the way I'm rakesh from bangladesh we support humanity
According to Tibetan legend Nyatri Tsenpo the founder of Yarlung dynasty was pull up to heaven with a cord when he was dead.
History Channel: ALIENS 😆
Creationist: We don’t come from no monkeys!
Tibetan Buddhist: We came from monkeys!
As Tibetan appreciate this 👍🏼👍🏼
Who are you? Sometimes Tibetans, sometimes Buryat Mongols, sometimes Manchus?
@@andrewmicheal5768Wdym?
@@andrewmicheal5768 she is troll account
wow i'm so curious
How people think of these ancient empire are highly related to what their modern successor looks like
For a second there, I read the Three Dharma Kings' names as "Songtsen Gampo, Trisong Detsen, and RALPH."
Mates, all empires crumbled because if failed finances. Tibetan Empire no exception, as the land left idle because men went to become monks, and population shrank. Hastened the decline, they even joint forces with the Mongolians and Manchurians to conquer China Proper. Escaped from the hook, as Han Chinese just drive the Mongolians out. But, the Han Chinese toppled the Manchurian Empire all upside down, so inherit the empire which included Tibet. This is in accordance with the International laws. Had India toppled the British Empire all the way at London, then it inherits both Australia and Canada. Thumbs up.
Tell me something about the Rinphungna Dynasty of tibet
They took Chang'An? If only they had held it! History would have been very different.
Chinese claim on tibet would have been even stronger. Like how they claim mongol and manchu territory
Would be interesting
Enjoyed watching it, however, found it a bit weird how some names are pronounced. Tang capital was Chang'an and not Tzangan....
This is a great episode and one of the few that explores Tibetan history in detail. I would love to see your take on other periods such as the Zhangzhung and Sumpa, the Era of Fragmentation, and the Yuan vassalage and rise and fall of the Guge kingdom.
3:59 If he mistakenly ask guidance from Gigachad....
Monkey:"Begone Thot!"
*And the land was filled with what she has cursed upon*
Tibetans in the Chinese capital 🤯
What are the speculations for the country of Mor?.
what happened after the Mongol empire collapsed?
Man was interested in marrying princesses like there's no tommorow 🤘
Very interesting video, I'd like to point out that speakers of the western tibetic branches speak one of the purest and archaic forms of the Tibetan language, these include people of Kinanur, Lahaul & Spiti, Ladakh, Zanskar, Ngari (Tibet), Gilgit and Baltistan and even those from Amdo. These regions are historically classified as "western tibet" , which was the land of the aryans or "Arya", the initial bon religion worshippers and followers of Tonpa Sherap, who was a Tajiki himself, having migrated from the Pamirs, and his disciples from the greater steppes of Central Asia and the Karakoram, the original inhabitants of Western Central Tibet (Ngari, Purang) and Ladakh, Baltistan, were all Indo Europeans, particularly Iranic people, in Ladakh known as the Mons, a people group closely related to Dards, who are found scattered all throughout Kashmir and POK, and northern Pakistan. The Bon religion is very similar to Zoroastrianism, you can see bon worshippers in the Iranic populations of Pakistan, Gilgit Baltistanis, etc. The region of Amdo is also very complex, the earliest settlers in the region were people related to the Scynthians, who were Iranic, who were great horsemen who used the great steppes to their advantage, mummifications and stone inscriptions are found all over Amdo and the Xinjiang Uyghur region. The Chinese have tried to destroy us and our heritage, but they will not take away our history. I would appreciate if you made another video about western tibetan regions and empires such as Guge, those of Ngari, Ladakh, Mustang Nepal, Zanskar, these are all regions where tibetan culture was born and modern day tibetan culture as we know it was adapted from, as well as the ancient Tibetan Bon religion and it's connections with Zoroastrianism and Persia.
Tibet is geographically Vast. Ancient Tibet does have connections with Persian, Indians & Arabs. But modern Tibetan were all Tibeto- Burman ethnic groups. Genetically Modern Tibetans were related to other East Asian population such as Chinese. Average Tibetan is 82% East Asian, 11% Central Asian with 8% others.
@@tsewangrinzin2421 "Tibeto-Burman" is not an ethnic group or a linguistic group, people can adopt languages, that doesn't change your genetic makeup. The oldest tibetans are found in Ladakh, they have dardic mixture, original tibetans are related to Iranic people groups. Common knowledge, the mongols swept out the native population of Central Asia.
@@tsewangrinzin2421 There is not enough research done on Tibetan people for you to come to a conclusion as such. Not to mention, people from every region of tibet has different genetic makeup, the most archaic tibetans are found in Western and northern tibet ( Amdo, Ngari, Changtang)
Tibetan were not related to Iranic people in a similar way as Northern Indians are. Linguist had noted a similarity between Tibetan, Burmese & Chinese language. With the exception of some Buddhist terms, Tibetan language is not related to neither India nor Persia. Even if we look at old Tibetan from Dunhuang manuscripts of 8th century, the Tibetan as a language hardly changed. I read couple Tibetan manuscripts of 8th century.
Even the Mongols like tribes were present since the beginning in the Eurasian steppe. It is only 11th Century, with the rise of Genghis khan, the Mongols became a Global force even conquering Tibet & China. But the Mongols had not swept the native of Tibet. The Dunhuang manuscripts predates the rise of Mongols.
@@tsewangrinzin2421 Northern India is inhabited by Tibetic people groups too. Also, learn to separate language and ones ancestry. You could speak a Indo-euroepan language but still be from a turkic dominant country and have turkic ancestry or vice versa. Ancient Tibetan language is very complicated, if you want to udenrstand ancient tibetan language and culture take a look at Ladakh. NO, the natives of the Central Asia particularly northern tibet were the tocharians, not mongol people. The Mongols dispopulated ALL of the region, don't get it twisted
I know this is a really off topic question but I don't really know anyone else to come and ask it and Google wasn't of much help!
What would you call someone obsessed with Asian culture apart from Japan or Korea? Around here we have Koreaboo's, Weeaboo's, even for Nazi Germany we have Wehraboo, I'd sincerely appreciate your input as I've heard other names but none seem to be quite standardized as the ones previously mentioned.
Good stuff. Not many people know that Tibet had an empire that even managed to successfully invade Han China several times. Also, not many people know the history of the Dalai Lamas, which could be compared to that of the Pope, or at least a Patriarch, in the west.
lol
The Tibetan Empire, collapsed in the late 9th century and never rose up to be a unified country again.
The position of Dalai Lama was never remotely comparable to the Pope in terms of influence. Its See & lineage only started in early 15th century as the head of the Gelug school ("Yellow Hat") of Tibetan Buddhism. The sector remained obscure until late 16th century. By the time it reached its zenith in late 17th century, it enjoyed the status of being the most dominant religion in the regions of Khalkha Mongolia, Tuva, Dzungaria, Tarim Basin, and parts of Nepal and Bhutan. Not a single country on the list above had a population greater than 1 million. The office of Dalai Lama only briefly rose to political prominence during the rein of the Fifth Dalai Lama between 1640s and 1680s. Even during these decades the Dalai Lama was technically a vassal of the Khoshut Khans of Oriat Mongols who ruled over Tibet. The Khoshut princes took back the power from the regency appointed by the Great Fifth after his death. The subsequent factional struggle between the Dalai Lama's Gelug School and the rival Karmapa Lama's Karma Kagyu School (the "Red Hat") brought about Dzungarian occupation of Tibet, and finally the incorporation of Tibet into the Chinese Qing Empire in 1721. It was under the Qing's rule, the Gelug School was given the precedence over the other three schools and Dalai Lama was installed as both the religious leader and secular prince over the region of U-Tsang and Westnern Kham. The high name recognition of the title "Dalai Lama" among modern Westerners results from the great works of advocacy carried out by the incumbent 14th Dalai Lama and his associates, after the exile to the West of him and his followers in 1959.
As popular as the 14th Dalai Lama has been in the past decades in the West, the image of influence he projects today is not a proportionally accurate reflection of the clout his office actually wielded in history.
The analogy drawn between Lalai Lama of Lhasa and the Pontiff of Rome in terms of historical influence is utterly nonsensical.
@@fanuelcui1109 Sure, that's a good explanation, which is why I also included the caveat that he would "at least" be comparable to that of a Patriarch. I did not write the above as some sort of idolization of the Dalai Lama or the Tibetan Empire, but rather as perspective on the inherently and factually political and belligerent history of Tibet and its leadership. Are you sure you disagree with my position?
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Chinese sending a princess or other nations maybe requesting one for better relations sounds interesting. Orkhon inscriptions talk about a similar thing too.
It is Tibet first required a princess from Tang Dynasty. Tang refused first then two fought
（Heqing） send princess is actually quite a common policy of all Chinese dynasty, I think only Ming did not have this practice. It give Chinese dynasty some influences in foreign court, while foreign entities have assurance(hostage) they will be not be attacked and trade occur normalcy. It does not always work. Also, normally, it someone with royal blood but not direct offspring of the imperial family.
More bro i love it do not forget more chinese dynastys bro
the mortal enemy of tang the tibetan
4:20 - Man after man?
Didnt they become the dali and nanzhao states before mongols?
Are the Tibetans the closest ethnic group to the Han Chinese? Sino-Tibetan is shared language group.
Tibetans are Tibetic people like Bhutanese but Han Chinese are Sinitic people like Wu, Hui, Hakka etc.
No, language group is not the best marker for culture & ethnicity, the Tibetan culture is much closer to the pastoralist nomads and the surrounding culture. Not only that, their DNA has evolved to adapt to high-altitude life.
Northern Han Chinese is closer to Koreans and Japanese, that's what I only know.
Han Chinese is actually not an ethnic group..but an assimilation over time in history..
So..this question cannot be answered
@@calvinblue894 By definition, that is an ethnic group, Calvin.
Wait... didn't they take over Burma at some point, too?
Pretty cool how they have the same monke origin story as most humans subscribe to today
What was the conception of "Buddha" in the context of the Tibetan origin myth? If humans didn't exist, how was there a Buddha?
In Buddhist cosmology this planet, or even this universe, isn't the first. Others have already taken place and had Buddhas appear in them as happened historically on earth. Bodhisattvas like Avalokiteshvara then appear continuously to help lead beings to liberation whenever there are the circumstances to do so.
oi bro, there have been countless buddhas in our universe
Buddha never die. It's a teacher when we read script
Zhang zhunh , yarlung and azha ... sounds like Chang thang , u.tsang and amdo
Enlightenment is hard. Once love material
our ancestor was a monkey.
darwin: yeah what a great guy.
our ancestor mother was a demon snake.
darwin: yeah ... wait what?
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Are they unchallenged by external forces because they’re actually “mighty” or simply because of geography? They didn’t seem to win any significant battles or conquer territories outside of the Tibetan plateau, the times they win against Tang China is because the Tang are more focused elsewhere or are experiencing a potential dynasty-ending rebellion lol. It just seems like the other major powers around them didn’t care too much about the Tibetan plateau to try and conquer them seriously.
Tibetan empire streches around present day baltistan in pakistan, ladakh xinjiang, nepal, bbutan, parts of myammar ... even came upto ganga river in india...
Bro why so much hate on tibetans….u clearly didn’t research before yap-pin….they fought in plains of arab land with the abassids and won against chinese tang
this is proof that humans did not migrate out of afrika but here
Tang version: _Long story about the Tibetans' shameful display._
Tibetan version: "We beat the shit out of them and got their princess' hand in marriage."
Impossible to say which is the more accurate account, but at least the Tibetans were concise.
There is a stone pillar or tablet of treaty between Tibetan and Chinese. It reads.. "..... Tibetans shall be happy in the land of Tibet, and Chinese in the land of China"... It is still there.
@@tenzinminz5150 Yes, there is!
free tibet
Khum umdo untsand . Can we stand together. Let's dance
Nepalese princess was Bhrikuti
will you be my brikuti
Thats... curious how tibetans have legends that are basically humans evolving from apes and spreading around the world, while also mentioning ice age and etc.
Kinda... strange. Interesting.
Yoooo
Damn that snake is thirsty. 😀
im so confused, perfect chinese pronunciation, but japanese english accent?
They anticipated Darwin and figured that humans came from monkeys.
The vídeo is beautiful to watch, the subject is very interesting but ... Why you speak soooo fast? It is difficult to understand this kind of information with different names and all as it was a person narrating a horse race. Please, speak a little more slow in a comfortable way to talk and listen. Nobody speak this way in a conversation, so at certain point to listen become uncomfortable. Thank you
The air nomads?
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Wait... Nepal existed in 7 th century? How old is this country? Isn't Nepal breakaway part of India or something like that?
No.but they r result of Tibetan armies raping some Indians at the border.......
Breakaway part of India?
Lol where did you learn that.
Our history dates back to Kiratas who dominated the hills and the mountains back then.
Mentions of Nepali woolen rugs can be found in Chanakays arthashastra itself which is old as 3rd BCE.
Nepal wasn't even occupied by British either
there wasnt nepal lichhavi dyansty here is being referred as nepal, word nepal was only used during malla dynasty and after the unification of nepal in the 19th century
great educational historical vlog ever,,thank u fr sharing such wonderful great real history of Tibet,,, hope Tibet will be free soon from Ccp china,,
Maybe next Nepalese history
and then china ended up dominating tibetans.
Didn’t the Monghols suffer from
Altitude sickness?
Attitude sickness
Basically Tibet surrendered to Mongols when they reached border without major battles, since the place was divided and did not have a united force to stop the Mongols.