@@suryatallavarjula3184 That's what's annoying about all this talk. Everyone is talking about the Yankees and the Dodgers getting cheated, but what about the Oakland A's who won 97 games two seasons in a row but didn't get to host a playoff series because of the Astros?
It's funny, at first i thought taking the title away was extreme, but after the constant lies and cover ups, there is no other option than to strip them of the title. If you strip them, they they can have a redemption storyline if they ever win again, if they keep it, no one will ever respect any other title they win.
Nah he's right. If years down they get new guys and they win a title after getting it stripped, it'll be redeemed. But as of now, it's gonna just be a big joke.
Houston can have its title. Why not just ban the players who were part of the plan and involved🤔 but the commissioner grants immunity to actual physical cheaters🤦♀️
Fiers is a rat and a cheater himself, has he given back his 2017 championship ring? And he cheated by using pine tar to throw that no hitter in Houston.
Maybe Garret Cole was sending a message when he gave his final interview after Astros lost the WS, with the cap of his agent instead of the Astros cap. Like saying: "I want out of this mess ASAP"
Cole's guilty too. If he had any sort of integrity he - and every other Astros player - would have spoken up as soon as the ring leaders started their cheating. And I don't want to hear about clubhouse rules. Every profession is expected to uphold standards of professionalism. Lawyers, teachers, military officers, etc. Ballplayers, specifically these players, are a disgrace.
@@stevencross6778 Is it true that there's footage of Cole looking visibly uncomfortable/perturbed when The Astros hit a game-changing home run in the playoffs?
@The Irish Italian That's an idiotic arguement. You could vacate the WS title and Altuves MVP without having to change/eliminate anyone's stats. No one cares about the postseason stats, fans and players just want to see proper punishment handed down (vacate title and individual awards from Astro players)
Ross Dilworth This is something that’ll happen going forward. They’re not going to take the Yankees titles away because of A Roid. Plus what the Astros did was way worse. It’s an organizational problem. A Roid juicing was an A Roid problem.
And Ortiz? Are the reds ox giving back rings? And Canseco/McGwire? A's aren't giving rings back, and on and on and on... Just to be clear, I'm not agreeing with you that the Astros should get to keep their ring because there was other cheating g that occurred. I'm pointing g out that EVERY team in the league had guys on PEDs. So one team having some didn't give them an unfair advantage. Having a camera in the outfield to steal signs and then relaying them to the clubhouse and then banging on a trash can to signal what pitch was coming obviously gives the Astros an unfair advantage and one that their opponents had no recourse to counter it. Its apples and oranges.
Dude .. as a die hard yankee fan & a Native New yorker the Dodgers are in our blood because of the Brooklyn connection Sir. You couldn't understand I guess.
It's so simple. I own a company in Ca and this is what I would have done if the union said grant them immunity: 1. No immunity if they dont cooperate and I will ban the team for three years. 2. Remove the title 3. Remove the trophy 4. Remove the awards 5. Remove the banner 6. Remove the rings The players will not be banned but let's see how the owner will handle this.
Johnny Bench said something earlier. He kinda defended Jim Crane, but then he said: " Who was receiving those signals in the dugout? Who's the guys that were whistling? Let's identify them. ... If I knew what was coming, I'd hit .700."
Except you wouldn't hit that high. Just because you have an idea or know what is coming doesnt mean you can hit it. Yes, you have an advantage but in the end you dont know placement or where the ball will land and you still have to swing and make contact. And even with that just making contact guarantees nothing. I dont know why people cant see this or understand this. Yes, the Astros were wrong for breaking the rules yet there is not enough evidence to prove that is what got them the title. They lost in 2018 while still utilizing it. Yet here we are all talking about this like every time they knew they got on base or hit a homerun.
Me - "Alexa, who won the 2017 World Series?" Alexa - "The 2017 World Series was vacated based on a Houston Astros cheating scandal." #MoreThanAPieceOfMetal
"It's difficult to discipline players." Really? Every year I see players disciplined for cheating. And difficult doesn't mean impossible. It means you need a man to do it. And Manfred is certainly not a man.
The Astros players were granted immunity. So even if Manfried tried to suspended them...the MLBPA would file a grievance and would win and those players wouldn't be suspended.
@@jonathancohoon Ummm...yes, I understand that. He was a moron for giving them immunity. It's laughable to say players can't be disciplined for cheating. Players are disciplined for cheating all the time. Corked bat? You're suspended. Vaseline on the ball? You're suspended. This is the biggest cheating scandal in the history of baseball...and the union and Commissioner's response (along with these dummy reporters) is that we can't suspend players for cheating.
@Pilot81 you don't actually understand evidence. It's not hearsay. And I guarantee you he could have gotten other players to come forward....if he had tried. But he's a nutless wonder so he didn't.
There was no document for the investigation, at least ones that grant immunity for cooperation, that's what they're getting at. MLBPA wouldn't allow the league to even speak to the guys if there would be any punishment handed out to active players. There would have had to have been a clause in the current CBA stating that players must truthfully cooperate in investigations in order for there to have have been any kind of breech they could go after a lying player for. I would hope the next CBA has language in it that would allow for punishment in these kinds of cases going forward, but it looks like there will be absolutely nothing done to these players, even if the buzzers are proven for 2019, as it could be taken to court if they go after these guys. At least that's what I'm piecing together from everything that has come out today. Best we can hope for is stripping the title, and I don't even see Manfred doing that
There was no "immunity" deal in the first place. The players are still lying about it so clearly this is just some bullshit Manfred is spinning for damage control.
This is a very good question. My guess is yes because that's what happened to A-Rod with his steroid scandal in 2013. A-Rod received a much bigger ban than everyone else in the Biogenesis scandal because he was, in the words of the Commissioner's office, "attempting to cover-up his violations of the Program by engaging in a course of conduct intended to obstruct and frustrate the Office of the Commissioner's investigation." So in other words, A-Rod was being uncooperative and maybe even untruthful during the investigation. If it was found that any of the Astros players were lying during the investigation, I'm sure that that would give Manfred the leeway to start suspending players. But that would mean that second investigation would have to occur.
Gotta choose your words carefully. They're a fraternity so a good bit of tact is necessary. Doubt he wants to make the story about what he has said either.
Players should sign a petition and send it to the Commissioner. Have the players on record requesting the title be taken away! The message would be clear!
Yes, take the Astros title away, but while you’re at it, take away the Red Sox 2018 title, and the Dodgers 2017 and 2018 NL Pennants away as well, all three used The Baserunner Method, a form of Electronic Sign Stealing. The Yankees used this as well, but didn’t win anything, so you can’t take anything away from them.
Vacating the title is the right thing to do but we have to remember that the Red Sox are just as guilty of this in 2018...MLB won't vacate back to back titles...it will hurt the league a lot and they're trying to save face.
@@GSP-76 you wish the Redsox cheated like what these asstros did lol. Redsox won it fair that year. Only reason why the Sox are mentioned is cuz of cora who was one of the master minds in the 2017 cheating scandals
@@jonathanrecinos5894 Yeah, I'm sure Cora turned over a new leaf in his life and found Jesus after being one of the masterminds in Houston...he helped Houston cheat their way to a championship and got offered the job in Boston because he was a part of a championship team. He took his "talents" to Boston. Your an infantile moron if you think it wasn't happening in Boston. Will they find evidence of it? I don't know. They also didn't find evidence of Altuve or any Astros players wearing buzzers. Ask people if they honestly think the Astros weren't wearing buzzers in 18/19.
Hopefully they do vacate the title but we'll all have to wait so we can laugh 10 or 20 years down the road when none of these guys getting into the Hall of Fame
Sox fan here. Love your videos and absolute hatred for the Astros. I live near Houston and the fans are hilarious. Looking forward to a good 2020. Hope the yanks stay healthy. God bless.
I just want to say throughout this entire circus show that the Astros and commissioner have put up, Ive really enjoyed this channel and hearing all of your opinions. 👏🏼
Don't take the banner away. Make them keep it and hang it upside down for as long as the franchise exists. They don't get to erase this; they have to live with it.
A-HA! Yes, let's hear from him. BTW, does anyone know what David Cone's feeling is about this, now that all of this post-investigation stuff is coming out? I know he's expressed disappointment and frustration, but, how's he feel now, considering the temperature all around baseball has gone up?
Please... who ever uploads these... give the volume a little kick in the butt. Every Michael Kay video I watch is SO QUIET that I need to turn everything else way down just to hear.
I’m a redsox fan , but I’m we were involved in 2018 the team deserves punishment , but I’m sure it wasn’t to the level of Houston . But if MLB wants to save the game they need to reopen the case. #firemanfred
I was watching ESPN yesterday morning and Stephen A. Smith gave the PERFECT answer to what the Players should do this upcoming Season to the Astros players. He said Pitchers shouldn't throw at them and nobody should slid dirty into 2nd base or collide with the Catcher. Manfred already said whoever does something like that will be pushed without warning. So instead of throwing at them and stuff like that, every team should come to the ballpark and not even acknowledge them. Don't shake their hands or chat with them before the game like players always do. Do converse with them whenever one of them gets on base, the Manager hands the lineup card to the Umpire from his Dugout because he doesn't want to shake hands with anyone on the Astros, and the players should all turn their back when it's time for the National Anthem. No one said players need to lineup along the 1st and 3rd base lines. Let the Astros line up for the National Anthem and then the other team lines up so they're facing the american Flag, but their backs are completely towards the Astros. Just don't even acknowledge them. They're not worth the time. THAT's how you treat the Astros this year without constantly getting ejected, fined and suspended from Regular Season games...
You don't know why the players are mad at the Commissioner? There was absolutely no need to talk to the players and give them immunity to prove that they cheated in 2017.
Yes I can blame the commissioner for not punishing them and here's why: He failed to use the power of public perception. All the commissioner had to do was tell the public what they did and that he wants to punish them but the players union wouldn't let him. Then he could have just sat back and watched the fireworks. I'm positive that the players union would have buckled not only from the public outcry but from it's own members....seriously when Mike Trout is talking bad about it.....
Great question at the end... Who is the baseball legend, playing or not, who is so respected, that everybody would listen to? I don't know if baseball has that kind of person... the maybes are Cal Ripkin, Derek Jeter, Hank Aaron, Mike Trout, etc.
He's saying to take electronics out of the game. You misunderstood. He said naturally picking up the signs on the regular TV feed then getting a man on second that's able to see the sign and knows what look for then can rely it to the batter quick enough. That's not as bad as setting up a seperate camera and using computer algorithms and a garbage can to rely messages on pitches in real time. Or potentially the use of buzzers.
Stephen C I don’t know if you lack reading comprehension, if you didn’t watch the video or just lack information. The reports are that the Red Sox were stealing signs from the replay room. Michael Kay said that’s not cheating because you need a runner on 2nd to take advantage of it. Tell me, what part did I misunderstand...?
@@ItzTruthHurts because that's part of the game... The replay room isn't a secret. He quite clearly said "if you want to stop cheating you need to take electronics out of the club house" The camera the Houston Astros set up is 100% against the rules (hence why they took it down after every game) then they were relying to the batter with a noise rather than the traditional method of having a man on second. There's a still a human element there rather than using a computer algorithm, illegal camera, and drumming.
Scott Morey Giants lost to the Angels, though sure, you could take the pennant. But they were individual players making their own choices, not team-wide systemic cheating like the Astros and potentially Red Sox had. Stop trying to deflect from the Astros. Any player could’ve been using steroids and it wouldn’t help them specifically at home or on the road. What the Astros did was specific to them. Obviously a random comment exchange on TH-cam isn’t going to change either of our minds, so have a nice day :)
@@bobheck7303 poor Bobby the pouter. If he doesn't get his way he calls names waaaaaa. They're keeping the title,they're world series champs and they cheated just like the steroid using YANKEES. Deal with it
Players need to look at them selves (the MLBPA) they are working with rules already in place. Now they need to change the rules. Players need to be upset with ASTROS, PLAYERS ASSOCIATION & MANFRED.
Essentially this is what Clark said: “We’re going to protect the rights of players who cheat in this game. “ That’s a hell of a message to send the fans , he might as well just come out in a press conference given everybody the middle finger and walked away.
Totally agree...if the title is taken away I think the players would move on much quicker, I find myself doing the same thing as a Fan, the more I hear about it, the anger stays, Manfred did a good job, the punishments were by the rules, Let’s just kick their Ass on the field!!
If this is not taken care of, it will leave a stain on our fantastic sport for ever at the expense to players and fans. This whole issue can only be resolved by action up to the scale of the fraude, thus taking the title away from the Astro's. Talking about it doesn't help anybody and hurts us all.
2 years later and I stand by what I said at the time. The penalty to the team should have been so severe that competing for the next decade should be near impossibke. They should have been banned as a team from post season play for 5 years (ggod luck attracting free agents to a team that isnt allowed in the post season) and had every single draft pick taken for the next 5 years and should have been banned from international FA signings for the next 5 years. Plus a massive fine. Obviously all awards or trophies from that season should have been taken away. Make the punishment so severe that no team would even dream of trying something like this going forward. And before anyone asks, yes, I would feel that should be the Yankees, who I've rooted for since 1987, punishment if they did What Houston did.
Smh... Being punished more means taking the title & that's 100% on Manfred! Still ZERO reason for not having already vacated the title! That is punishing the players & CAN & MUST be done! The sooner the better or this just gets uglier!
I agree. The anger towards Manfred is a little misplaced. Yea the trophy comment was dumb but in terms of suspension, his hands are tied. But he still has the chance to fix this and take away their title, rings , and bonuses
Dear Don, they actually tried to keep it under the rug, which is why Manfred's warning did not reach the players. How do you leave it up to the frontoffices to inform the players. That's what you do if you do not want to do that publically and keep the story low profile.
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It’s a good time to be a Mariners fan. Their record for years now is proof they don’t cheat.
Or they're just lousy at that too
chaosawaits mariners are too innocent to do that, plus we’re like in the hardest division
Imagine being an A’s fan for all these years
@@suryatallavarjula3184 That's what's annoying about all this talk. Everyone is talking about the Yankees and the Dodgers getting cheated, but what about the Oakland A's who won 97 games two seasons in a row but didn't get to host a playoff series because of the Astros?
@@marcels_wine9602 dude, it was a joke. The Mariners need talent, not cheating.
It's funny, at first i thought taking the title away was extreme, but after the constant lies and cover ups, there is no other option than to strip them of the title. If you strip them, they they can have a redemption storyline if they ever win again, if they keep it, no one will ever respect any other title they win.
Regardless, I think no one will respect any title they ever win again because of this scandal.
gorobot No one will ever respect them either way!
Nah he's right. If years down they get new guys and they win a title after getting it stripped, it'll be redeemed. But as of now, it's gonna just be a big joke.
Houston can have its title. Why not just ban the players who were part of the plan and involved🤔 but the commissioner grants immunity to actual physical cheaters🤦♀️
@@lalive2993 that's what I thought they were gonna do. But no. Manfred is making Goodel look like a people's man.
The commissioner doesn’t have the balls to take the title away
Y would he wen gm 7 was in LA?!?🤔😆
It's just a peace of metal to him
HOOKEM da Gawd and that means what?
HOOKEM da Gawd bro you guys got shit on by the Yankees at home in the ALCS. Lmao look at the road home splits
HOOKEM da Gawd they would have never made the World Series without cheating that’s why!
Mike Fiers should be commended for his honesty. He did the absolute right thing.
Fiers is a rat and a cheater himself, has he given back his 2017 championship ring? And he cheated by using pine tar to throw that no hitter in Houston.
@@metalmaniac1244 Virtually every team in the league has their pitchers use pine tar.
Imagine applauding a fuqin 🐀
@@colinmoe2871 wrong and it's against the rules but I guess it's ok for your team to cheat but not the Astros.
metalmaniac 101 why would he give back the ring if the commissioner hasn’t taken the title away
Take the title, the rings, MVP, the World Series bonuses, and 3 year ban from the playoffs.
impossible to accomplish
tawanda mwase not if MLB gets a new Commissioner.
Forced them to use the name Houston Assholes for those 3 yrs ban.
so punish the players who werent on the 2017-2019 teams. you just can't. I'd say suspend the position players that played on those teams for a year.
@@Nicky2Chains He granted immunity. I'll be perfectly fine if he took the title away
Maybe Garret Cole was sending a message when he gave his final interview after Astros lost the WS, with the cap of his agent instead of the Astros cap. Like saying: "I want out of this mess ASAP"
Fred Flintstone *Gerrit
He couldn't have gotten out of Houston fast enough.
That's what I thought like i can see Cole warming up in the bp and say no I'm not coming in
Cole's guilty too. If he had any sort of integrity he - and every other Astros player - would have spoken up as soon as the ring leaders started their cheating. And I don't want to hear about clubhouse rules. Every profession is expected to uphold standards of professionalism. Lawyers, teachers, military officers, etc. Ballplayers, specifically these players, are a disgrace.
@@stevencross6778 Is it true that there's footage of Cole looking visibly uncomfortable/perturbed when The Astros hit a game-changing home run in the playoffs?
They all got bonuses based off of the WS. Revoke that $$$.
2:33 what is that Peter ? 😂😂😂
Peter - idunno wasn’t me don’t kill me Michael
Michael put the fear of God into Peter lol
I think taking the title away and Altuve mvps would be acceptable.
David Comeau
That works
And give the MVP to judge
@The Irish Italian That's an idiotic arguement. You could vacate the WS title and Altuves MVP without having to change/eliminate anyone's stats. No one cares about the postseason stats, fans and players just want to see proper punishment handed down (vacate title and individual awards from Astro players)
David Comeau Judge deserved the MVP in the first place. He led in almost every offensive category.
@The Irish Italian who the fuck cares about that. Who won is what matters.
taking away the title would go a long way toward settling this, imo.
Why couldn't your amazing Yankees win anyway? Are you prepared to give away the title that a rod won? Beause he cheated.
Ross Dilworth This is something that’ll happen going forward. They’re not going to take the Yankees titles away because of A Roid. Plus what the Astros did was way worse. It’s an organizational problem. A Roid juicing was an A Roid problem.
@@driftracerr34 and Clemens? What about him. Cheating is cheating. They'll be a lot of lawsuits filed if you go down the road of taking titles away
And Ortiz? Are the reds ox giving back rings? And Canseco/McGwire? A's aren't giving rings back, and on and on and on... Just to be clear, I'm not agreeing with you that the Astros should get to keep their ring because there was other cheating g that occurred. I'm pointing g out that EVERY team in the league had guys on PEDs. So one team having some didn't give them an unfair advantage. Having a camera in the outfield to steal signs and then relaying them to the clubhouse and then banging on a trash can to signal what pitch was coming obviously gives the Astros an unfair advantage and one that their opponents had no recourse to counter it.
Its apples and oranges.
Jose Altuve went to a tattoo parlor over the weekend to get that "Mel" tattoo to corroborate Correa's story
Stanton... SPIT IT OUT ALREADY
everyone seems to have forgotten about the red sox investigation which will be concluded next week lol
No astros player from 2017 to 2019 should ever be considered to the hall of fame
I agree
Sell the team out of Houston, ban players involved, fire the commissioner, strip title. I'll be happy with any of those options.
All of them
Sell the team and strip the title. 100%. Donald Sterling was forced to sell his team so same thing can apply here.
@Daxtyn Cornelius thx bud
They gotta stay in Houston though, no reason to punish the fans
@@BootyStarfish sure but just like the NBA made Donald Sterling sell the MLB should make the Astros sell.
Only time Dodgers and yankee fans come together is the past few months
@UCq-j76P2n9ncaUcd_v85Hug i just sign the petition im from the philippines and we love our yankees here
I hate the fucking Dodgers. But this offseason made me actually feel bad and like them.
Dude .. as a die hard yankee fan & a Native New yorker the Dodgers are in our blood because of the Brooklyn connection Sir. You couldn't understand I guess.
Gotham Jetskier were u alive during the brooklyn dodgers?
I'm( Dodger fan) married to one (Yankee fan) she appreciates great baseball and has great taste in men as well.....LOL
It's so simple. I own a company in Ca and this is what I would have done if the union said grant them immunity:
1. No immunity if they dont cooperate and I will ban the team for three years.
2. Remove the title
3. Remove the trophy
4. Remove the awards
5. Remove the banner
6. Remove the rings
The players will not be banned but let's see how the owner will handle this.
The owner should be forced to sell the team. But otherwise I agree.
I like the way you think. I'm glad you own a company. Also, are you dressed like Sonny Crockett in your avatar? Please say yes.😎👍🏻
What does you owning a company have to do with this?
I think we are going to see Manfred resign over this soon. He couldn't have handled this any worse than he has.
Boy were you wrong
Johnny Bench said something earlier. He kinda defended Jim Crane, but then he said:
" Who was receiving those signals in the dugout? Who's the guys that were whistling? Let's identify them. ... If I knew what was coming, I'd hit .700."
Except you wouldn't hit that high. Just because you have an idea or know what is coming doesnt mean you can hit it. Yes, you have an advantage but in the end you dont know placement or where the ball will land and you still have to swing and make contact. And even with that just making contact guarantees nothing. I dont know why people cant see this or understand this. Yes, the Astros were wrong for breaking the rules yet there is not enough evidence to prove that is what got them the title. They lost in 2018 while still utilizing it. Yet here we are all talking about this like every time they knew they got on base or hit a homerun.
Mike Neeley nigga, STFU.
@@mrn32ayw dont be coming at everyone with all that logic! Makes too much sense for these people
@Realjayrome In no way is he right and you obviously don't know dick about baseball
Mike Neeley knowing what’s coming is like batting practice!!! Stfu every batters average would jump .400-.500
Me - "Alexa, who won the 2017 World Series?"
Alexa - "The 2017 World Series was vacated based on a Houston Astros cheating scandal."
#MoreThanAPieceOfMetal
Mike N ask Siri that question as well
Hahaha Dodgers choked and Astros won at their home.
Tyson Potter hahaha the Dodgers beat the Astros in Houston WHILE THEY WERE CHEATING. Gtfoh with that pathetic ass shit
The Irish Italian hmm, about the same as the Astros...except the Astros were cheating so they don’t deserve a title
Take the title. Only way Manfred will be able to remotely fix this
Manfred needs to come out and say, I misjudged the feelings and attitude of the players and fans, and VACATE the title.
They'll have to vacate a lot of titles. All the steroid teams that won titles. That's cheating also
@@steverenen6773 FOOLISH WHEN ALL TEAMS USED PED'S
Unions are allowed discipline their members who damage the other members. So the union response is pure B S
You should listen commissioner. Vacate. Take down their dirty banner for the love of the game.
"It's difficult to discipline players."
Really? Every year I see players disciplined for cheating.
And difficult doesn't mean impossible. It means you need a man to do it. And Manfred is certainly not a man.
The Astros players were granted immunity. So even if Manfried tried to suspended them...the MLBPA would file a grievance and would win and those players wouldn't be suspended.
@@jonathancohoon Ummm...yes, I understand that. He was a moron for giving them immunity. It's laughable to say players can't be disciplined for cheating. Players are disciplined for cheating all the time. Corked bat? You're suspended. Vaseline on the ball? You're suspended. This is the biggest cheating scandal in the history of baseball...and the union and Commissioner's response (along with these dummy reporters) is that we can't suspend players for cheating.
@Pilot81 ummm.....we found out from an outside investigation from Rosenthal and Jomboy....before any immunity was offered.
driver8m3 ..welcome to the age of the beta male
@Pilot81 you don't actually understand evidence. It's not hearsay. And I guarantee you he could have gotten other players to come forward....if he had tried. But he's a nutless wonder so he didn't.
If a player was caught lying during the investigation, would punishment then be allowed? Would that terminate the immunity clause?
Yes.
There was no document for the investigation, at least ones that grant immunity for cooperation, that's what they're getting at. MLBPA wouldn't allow the league to even speak to the guys if there would be any punishment handed out to active players. There would have had to have been a clause in the current CBA stating that players must truthfully cooperate in investigations in order for there to have have been any kind of breech they could go after a lying player for.
I would hope the next CBA has language in it that would allow for punishment in these kinds of cases going forward, but it looks like there will be absolutely nothing done to these players, even if the buzzers are proven for 2019, as it could be taken to court if they go after these guys. At least that's what I'm piecing together from everything that has come out today.
Best we can hope for is stripping the title, and I don't even see Manfred doing that
@@mfallen4277 he doesnt have the balls to do what's necessary in stripping the title.
There was no "immunity" deal in the first place. The players are still lying about it so clearly this is just some bullshit Manfred is spinning for damage control.
This is a very good question. My guess is yes because that's what happened to A-Rod with his steroid scandal in 2013. A-Rod received a much bigger ban than everyone else in the Biogenesis scandal because he was, in the words of the Commissioner's office, "attempting to cover-up his violations of the Program by engaging in a course of conduct intended to obstruct and frustrate the Office of the Commissioner's investigation." So in other words, A-Rod was being uncooperative and maybe even untruthful during the investigation. If it was found that any of the Astros players were lying during the investigation, I'm sure that that would give Manfred the leeway to start suspending players. But that would mean that second investigation would have to occur.
Wait until the fans start openly booing Manfred whenever he's in public.
Michael Kay called Rob Manfred "flaccid"! Highlight of my week!
The player's should start a patition to the commissioner to have the trophy taken away !!
Damien Ortiz disagree... keep the trophy, keep the rings, keep the money.... keep the lifetime ban... never play again
adrock1011 I like the head fake at the end there
Stanton sounds like he's speaking in slow motion in the beginning
Gotta choose your words carefully. They're a fraternity so a good bit of tact is necessary. Doubt he wants to make the story about what he has said either.
MLB need to “Take It Back”.
All 162 Astros’ games should be on the road and they need to have a meet & greet with the fans before each game.
More like a meet and beat
OvO Wilkins this is like if the Astros don’t get the title strip fans will riot
Players should sign a petition and send it to the Commissioner. Have the players on record requesting the title be taken away! The message would be clear!
Yes, take the Astros title away, but while you’re at it, take away the Red Sox 2018 title, and the Dodgers 2017 and 2018 NL Pennants away as well, all three used The Baserunner Method, a form of Electronic Sign Stealing. The Yankees used this as well, but didn’t win anything, so you can’t take anything away from them.
The commissioner should step down
Vacating the title is the right thing to do but we have to remember that the Red Sox are just as guilty of this in 2018...MLB won't vacate back to back titles...it will hurt the league a lot and they're trying to save face.
It’s only fair to wait to see what comes out about the Sox cheating. Doesn’t sound as bad as what Houston was doing but who knows.
@@harveydodd8803 it's just as bad...they probably don't have evidence of it...but these cheaters did it in Houston and Boston.
@@GSP-76 you wish the Redsox cheated like what these asstros did lol. Redsox won it fair that year. Only reason why the Sox are mentioned is cuz of cora who was one of the master minds in the 2017 cheating scandals
@James Davis Yeah sure, keep telling yourself that bullshit.
@@jonathanrecinos5894 Yeah, I'm sure Cora turned over a new leaf in his life and found Jesus after being one of the masterminds in Houston...he helped Houston cheat their way to a championship and got offered the job in Boston because he was a part of a championship team. He took his "talents" to Boston. Your an infantile moron if you think it wasn't happening in Boston. Will they find evidence of it? I don't know. They also didn't find evidence of Altuve or any Astros players wearing buzzers. Ask people if they honestly think the Astros weren't wearing buzzers in 18/19.
didnt we just find out tho that the PA called out manfred for lying that player punishment wasnt allowed?
I read that too. But it seemed like semantics.
I just dont understand why people dislike videos like this, very transparent and a fair conversation from end to start.
Hopefully they do vacate the title but we'll all have to wait so we can laugh 10 or 20 years down the road when none of these guys getting into the Hall of Fame
TTS bobby none of them are is gonna b so pleasurable seeing that
Sox fan here. Love your videos and absolute hatred for the Astros. I live near Houston and the fans are hilarious. Looking forward to a good 2020. Hope the yanks stay healthy. God bless.
Chase Hey!....rock on you sensible son of a bitch
Everyone wants the title vacated
I don't
Russ H Imagine wanting a title that’s absolutely, undeniably tainted to the point of being in the utter trash can. You people are jokes lmao
Some people want the title to the Yankees, or the Dodgers. While others believe nobody should get it
Awesome video game
Of course the POS Ass troll fans are good with it. Fkn scumbags!
Stanton sounding like he can barely breath.... 🧐
2:32 Comical look by Kay like "tha fuck...?" 🤣
"Flacid punishment" Love it!!
Send Aaron Judge and Giancarlo Stanton into the Houston locker room, and they'll mete out "justice" the old-fashioned way.
L. Ron Gardner that a very very good idea💪💪 😂😂😂😂
I just want to say throughout this entire circus show that the Astros and commissioner have put up, Ive really enjoyed this channel and hearing all of your opinions. 👏🏼
Take away the title, make then turn in their rings...and since there is no title, the players are then forced to cough up the bonuses.
As a big fan of MLB, I would be satisfied with Manfred vacating the 2017 title.
Rob Manfred needs to stripped the 2017 World Series title and take away the trophy and rings period.
20:38 20 minutes I’m not laughing at all at this serious conversation then I just start dying😂😂
There´s some fans banging on trash cans already to reminds them that they are not champions, they are CHEATERS!
Don't take the banner away. Make them keep it and hang it upside down for as long as the franchise exists. They don't get to erase this; they have to live with it.
Change the title to the Michael and Don Show
The Houston Astros should've known better than to use technology in baseball.It's a policy and they could've gotten disqualified for it.
Agreed 100% and Now Houston is Now Hated by Other MLB Fans!
Gerrit Cole is in a weird spot with all this huh? I heard him say he knew absolutely nothing but we all know that’s not true.
He can make up for it by leading us to 3 straight championships.
I’d love that, I’m just saying I’d be a little confused if I was mike trout playing 5x the amount of games!
Giancarlo Stanton speaking... **SNORE**
Has Nolan Ryan been heard from?
A-HA! Yes, let's hear from him. BTW, does anyone know what David Cone's feeling is about this, now that all of this post-investigation stuff is coming out? I know he's expressed disappointment and frustration, but, how's he feel now, considering the temperature all around baseball has gone up?
Honestly can’t wait for a few years down the road, when the players start to finally open up and talk about what really happened
After This Scandal In 2020 ... 2021 Pete Rose Better Be In The Hall of Fame!!!!!
And PEDs players like Bonds,Clemens,Sosa,McGuire,A-Rod,M.Ramirez,etc Also Joe Jackson from the The Black Sox Scandal
We could have trash can day when the Asstros show up or Altuve Buzzer day.
i will take a line from Scarface bury those cockroaches.
@Grande1124 Chico...
Please... who ever uploads these... give the volume a little kick in the butt. Every Michael Kay video I watch is SO QUIET that I need to turn everything else way down just to hear.
I’m a redsox fan , but I’m we were involved in 2018 the team deserves punishment , but I’m sure it wasn’t to the level of Houston . But if MLB wants to save the game they need to reopen the case.
#firemanfred
So if the red soxs are caught and did cheat in 2018, would you vacate the title?
OneAndOnly Lokey if it is proven that , the act was that severe it’s fair
I was watching ESPN yesterday morning and Stephen A. Smith gave the PERFECT answer to what the Players should do this upcoming Season to the Astros players. He said Pitchers shouldn't throw at them and nobody should slid dirty into 2nd base or collide with the Catcher. Manfred already said whoever does something like that will be pushed without warning. So instead of throwing at them and stuff like that, every team should come to the ballpark and not even acknowledge them. Don't shake their hands or chat with them before the game like players always do. Do converse with them whenever one of them gets on base, the Manager hands the lineup card to the Umpire from his Dugout because he doesn't want to shake hands with anyone on the Astros, and the players should all turn their back when it's time for the National Anthem. No one said players need to lineup along the 1st and 3rd base lines. Let the Astros line up for the National Anthem and then the other team lines up so they're facing the american Flag, but their backs are completely towards the Astros. Just don't even acknowledge them. They're not worth the time. THAT's how you treat the Astros this year without constantly getting ejected, fined and suspended from Regular Season games...
Take away the title and the rings!!!
20:38 ED! KRANEPOOL!!!!!!!! 🤣
Your job is to protect cheaters mlb is a joke 🤣
You don't know why the players are mad at the Commissioner? There was absolutely no need to talk to the players and give them immunity to prove that they cheated in 2017.
Players should boycott the season,until something goes down....
ROR 420 yes or the fans
ROR 420 hell no... the players want to play and win the title
Yes I can blame the commissioner for not punishing them and here's why: He failed to use the power of public perception. All the commissioner had to do was tell the public what they did and that he wants to punish them but the players union wouldn't let him. Then he could have just sat back and watched the fireworks. I'm positive that the players union would have buckled not only from the public outcry but from it's own members....seriously when Mike Trout is talking bad about it.....
Heres what Giancarlo has to say:
Giancarlo: ummmmmm
Lol!!!
He is so aggravating to listen to. Dude sounds dumb as shit. Spent 3
Full minutes saying a sentence and a half.
He can't even play the game. He shouldn't even be talking
I agree. While Judge is certainly entitled to his opinion, Stanton shouldn't be talking to media... he should be in the cage.
@@flickmybic7174 or a hospital bed.
Great question at the end... Who is the baseball legend, playing or not, who is so respected, that everybody would listen to? I don't know if baseball has that kind of person... the maybes are Cal Ripkin, Derek Jeter, Hank Aaron, Mike Trout, etc.
What drugs is Michael Kay on?
Looking at screens and stealing signs is gamesmanship? Huh?
He's saying to take electronics out of the game. You misunderstood. He said naturally picking up the signs on the regular TV feed then getting a man on second that's able to see the sign and knows what look for then can rely it to the batter quick enough. That's not as bad as setting up a seperate camera and using computer algorithms and a garbage can to rely messages on pitches in real time. Or potentially the use of buzzers.
Stephen C
I don’t know if you lack reading comprehension, if you didn’t watch the video or just lack information.
The reports are that the Red Sox were stealing signs from the replay room. Michael Kay said that’s not cheating because you need a runner on 2nd to take advantage of it.
Tell me, what part did I misunderstand...?
@@ItzTruthHurts because that's part of the game... The replay room isn't a secret. He quite clearly said "if you want to stop cheating you need to take electronics out of the club house"
The camera the Houston Astros set up is 100% against the rules (hence why they took it down after every game) then they were relying to the batter with a noise rather than the traditional method of having a man on second. There's a still a human element there rather than using a computer algorithm, illegal camera, and drumming.
@@ItzTruthHurts "I Don't knOW iF yOU lack rEaDInG cOmPreHeNSioN" you're the only idiot in this thread who can't read/listen
Stephen C
It’s part of the game to steal sign from the replay room?
I need your dealers number.
I agree, take the title and let’s move on. But everyone has a right to gripe because justice wasn’t done!
Same old story every day just strip them of the trophy
It would be fair for the Rodsox to get punished harder because they were the ones who were directly warned previously.
17:13 Yankees fan here. Strip them both, suspend a lot of people.
after he strips the Yankees for 99 and 2000 and the Giants with Bonds
Scott Morey Giants lost to the Angels, though sure, you could take the pennant. But they were individual players making their own choices, not team-wide systemic cheating like the Astros and potentially Red Sox had. Stop trying to deflect from the Astros. Any player could’ve been using steroids and it wouldn’t help them specifically at home or on the road. What the Astros did was specific to them. Obviously a random comment exchange on TH-cam isn’t going to change either of our minds, so have a nice day :)
@@steverenen6773 LITTLE SCOTTY 1ST GRADER!
@@bobheck7303 poor Bobby the pouter. If he doesn't get his way he calls names waaaaaa. They're keeping the title,they're world series champs and they cheated just like the steroid using YANKEES. Deal with it
@@steverenen6773 LITTLE GAY BOY TAINTED TROPHY SUCKER! DO YOUR HOMEWORK FLUNKY!
Players need to look at them selves (the MLBPA) they are working with rules already in place. Now they need to change the rules. Players need to be upset with ASTROS, PLAYERS ASSOCIATION & MANFRED.
Vacate the title
Essentially this is what Clark said: “We’re going to protect the rights of players who cheat in this game. “ That’s a hell of a message to send the fans , he might as well just come out in a press conference given everybody the middle finger and walked away.
Stanton got hurt on this interview
Chepe T 😂😂😂😂 that was good!!!
all teams stars should boycott the all star game unless title is taken away
Take away the titles, trophies, and all.
Replay the ‘17 Series b/t Yankees and Dodgers.
I think 2017 should be a blank year in the books never forget
Totally agree...if the title is taken away I think the players would move on much quicker, I find myself doing the same thing as a Fan, the more I hear about it, the anger stays, Manfred did a good job, the punishments were by the rules, Let’s just kick their Ass on the field!!
Protecting 3% of their brethren, much to the chagrine of the other 97%? Smh
If this is not taken care of, it will leave a stain on our fantastic sport for ever at the expense to players and fans. This whole issue can only be resolved by action up to the scale of the fraude, thus taking the title away from the Astro's. Talking about it doesn't help anybody and hurts us all.
Willie, Mickey, and the Duke are in disbelief!
Manfred is spineless. Tell them they're all getting lifetime bans. If they talk, maybe he'll negotiate it down to 5 year suspensions
2 years later and I stand by what I said at the time. The penalty to the team should have been so severe that competing for the next decade should be near impossibke. They should have been banned as a team from post season play for 5 years (ggod luck attracting free agents to a team that isnt allowed in the post season) and had every single draft pick taken for the next 5 years and should have been banned from international FA signings for the next 5 years. Plus a massive fine.
Obviously all awards or trophies from that season should have been taken away.
Make the punishment so severe that no team would even dream of trying something like this going forward.
And before anyone asks, yes, I would feel that should be the Yankees, who I've rooted for since 1987, punishment if they did What Houston did.
Smh... Being punished more means taking the title & that's 100% on Manfred! Still ZERO reason for not having already vacated the title! That is punishing the players & CAN & MUST be done! The sooner the better or this just gets uglier!
I agree. The anger towards Manfred is a little misplaced. Yea the trophy comment was dumb but in terms of suspension, his hands are tied. But he still has the chance to fix this and take away their title, rings , and bonuses
All baseball players should not play baseball till the Astros title is revoke.. that will damage MLB
Instead of taking electronics out of the game...you could take signs out. Give the pitcher and catcher two-way mics and be done with it.
I completely agree,and take the Red Sox 2018 title as well.
MLB did not vacate the title . Yankees & Dodgers had every chance to win in 2017 . It's over. Move on
All other teams should stop playing with the Astros until their title is removed.
Agree. It’s like having the playbook.
Dear Don, they actually tried to keep it under the rug, which is why Manfred's warning did not reach the players. How do you leave it up to the frontoffices to inform the players. That's what you do if you do not want to do that publically and keep the story low profile.
Eekk quite the speaker isn't he? Sounds like if Dwayne Johnson was drowning