Crusaders vs. Battlemasters - Zero Hour Battles #1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2017
- The first episode of ZHB!
Today we're matching the Crusader and the Battlemaster in epic fights!
Have a suggestion for the next episode? Leave in the comments!
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Zero Hour Battles is a series where you can enjoy the epic battles of various units from the game as well as learn the stats (damage, range, hitpoints and bonuses) that I explain.
Before you ask, I was using a graphics mod.
Here's the link for it if you'd like to check it out:
www.moddb.com/mods/project-rap...
The mod replaces particles, sounds and models. And is online compatible.
EDIT: There's a mistake in this video, the horde bonus does not give 25% bonus rate of fire! It gives +33.33...%! The battlemaster and crusader both take 2 seconds to reload. But with the horde bonus it takes 1.5 seconds for the battlemaster to reload. At first it seems +25% because 0.5sec is a quarter of 2sec. But if we calculate both tanks rates of fire in rounds per second: Battlemaster: 1/1.5 = 0.666... rounds/sec; Crusader: 1/2 = 0.5 rounds/sec. Now to calculate the bonus in % we do: (0.666...x100)/0.5 =133.33...%! - เกม
This video is exploding again, I just want to thank you all for the support and the 1k Subs, AMAZING!
Make another one. Like soldiers vs soldiers or another tank battles.
Hey man, i was wondering, how did you get the tank stats? I would like to know how did you get that info bout'em 'cuz i can't see them anywhere
Did you make a Mig vs Raptor
Keeep making these. I'd love to see battles with scorps, maurauders, china tank battlemasters, humvees, etc.
Can anyone tell me where i can find HP stats on units please ? I've been looking for it for ages and still couldn't find it
Battlemaster = Offense/Speed
Crusader = Defense/Armor
The battlemaster might be outclassed and outgunned by superior crusaders in terms of armor and damage. But the best thing about battlemaster are the upgrades. Autoloader, Uranium shells, Nuclear tank buff the damage and the speed of the battlemaster twice than the original.
Crusaders also have additional upgrades, Composite armor, Advance training, Drone Armor, Strategy Center (Bombardment/Search and Destroy/Hold the Line).
What makes the crusader special is the countermeasures basically all terms of strategy, if ever a veteran crusader tank was destroyed pilots can transfer other vehicles to gain additional veterancy (all vehicles have this feature), makes it a very effective vehicle from the rest of the mbt in generals in terms of tech.
This is why I love generals so much..
Very good points. I will make more battles with upgrades and strategy centers.
Dont forget the napalm shells which make it OP against crusaders
Composite Armor installed sir. God the voice makes my undies wet
@@joshuaandre8911 its a nuclear shell upgrade. But...fully upgraded?. The crusader in vanilla will win, especially with repair drone.
dont forget it can get a boost by getting a hellfire drone or get regen via repair drone, or detect stealth via scout drone upgrade
Battlemasters will aim at the pilot and waste firepower that's why Crusaders won
angilinwago this is the correct reason
lol ikr
Plus a lot of the battlemasters just sat there instead of advancing
angilinwago yup true reson
Crusader range advantage
TANKS BUILD MORE TANKS
xD
(c) General Kwai
General Kawaii
@@Mart-E12
General oppai
My lasers are going to turn your armour into vapour.
3000 Crusaders vs. 3000 Battlemasters
"Windows has stopped working"
Lmao.
You can buy 337 Battlemasters for the cost of 300 Crusaders, so in a real battle where both players have equal economy it should really be 337 Battlemasters vs 300 Crusaders.
Agree. But then the additional 37 tanks would guarantee its victory over the crusaders together with its passive horde bonus. I think one factor could be the pilots of the promoted crusaders were able to transfer to the other tanks. So there had an advantage too at the part of the crusaders
I was a Generals player (not zero hour), but if I am not mistaken tanks could also shoot to these pilots (wasted shots).
Yeah, sometime it auto target infantry especially in guard mode which will attack the closest one first.
You wouldn't have this type of setup with the numbers of tanks involved though. The Americans would have composite armour, advanced training and a strategy centre and the Chinese would have the Nationalism and nuclear shells upgrades.
With no upgrades and the extra tanks the Chinese would win.
E W Not sure if that applied to Kwai's BM. By the mean fully upgraded lets include the general point as well and BM gonna start out elite plus on top of vanilla upgrade it also has autoloader which boost its dps up to +100% (40x3, Autoloader upgrade changes BM's weapon entirely)
I think part of it comes down to pot luck and part of it comes down to transferrable veterancy for the Crusaders - every time a Veteran Crusader dies, it gets to move the pilot to the next one, a privilege the Battlemasters don't get. But that depends on a player manually giving the orders. I think the winner would probably depend on which side was more focused with the micro.
Hijynks That was my guess exactly. Well stated, sir.
Battlemaster's horde bonus
Correct
i think so
Also, horde bonus.
Round 1 was a line and each tank fought one other tank while round 2 was unorganized and there was more freedom to move around and get 2 or 3 crusaders to fight 1 battlemaster, and vice versa, plus piolets
Recon 3139 Flank strategy best strategy game ever made in history :)
More FREEDOM
Did you just say "Freedom"
We need generals 2 :(
true :(
No no no, we need generals remastered, no futuristic shit
EA ARE CUNT DIRTBAGS, THEY ARE THE DEVIL COMPANY, BAIT THE COMMUNITY AND THEN LET US DOWN, RELEASE GAMES WITH GLITCHES, BAN HAMMER HAPPY, THEIR T&C'S GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO BAN YOU AND YOU REVOKE YOUR RIGHT TO SUE THEM, DONT SUPPORT EA ANYMORE!
prefer Shockwave but i also like Rise of the Reds
EA: DENIED
Happy to know this game is still relevant...
This game never gets old.
I still play it to this day
It's a timeless work of art
The graphics of the game still hold it's up
Crusader tanks won cuz
Higher health
Higher speed
Pilots get battle master tanks attention
Boooom
There are only two good reasons for the Crusaders winning:
1: Battle Masters may target the pilots
2: The Crusaders are coded to be more organized
@@sanstheskeleton679
Wow man i found this vid in my recommendations again
And i checked the comments
And i saw my comments after 9 months
And i saw 2 replies
1 after 7 hours
And another after 2 hours
@@sanstheskeleton679 they are supposed to be organized. It would be improper if you had a bunch of advanced tanks which are expensive led by a retarded crew
I think range is also a factor, crusader has better range
Love the way they are balanced
The crusaders have strong firepower
The battlemasters are strong in groups
And scorpion tanks have fast fire rate
marauders have triple cannons when salvaged
Non Battlemasters are strong on firepower and fast firerate
because of the pilots who bail out of ranked tans and then move into unranked/lower ranked tanks
they do if its ai vs ai right? ;)
@lameduck if it wasn't AI controlling it. If it were AI then they could get in another tank
Pilots' existence is more than enough to make Crusader win without jumping into next Crusader because targeting AI in this game doesn't have priority of any kind - they shoot the closest enemy unit whether or not it pose a threat. And tank shell has huge damage penalty against infantry. So Battlemaster also wasted their time shooting at pilots whenever one emerged from the destroyed Crusader, so Crusaders got some free shots during that brief moment too.
But seriously, whoever build Crusader, or Laser Crusader, in multiplayer is guarantee to lose! Everyone knows that Humvee is the best tank in USA arsenal, accept no substitute! The same applies to Battlemaster as well; China only use Gatling and Dragon tanks unless you're Nuke General, but Nuke Battlemaster is just a wannabe suicide truck that can shoot a few shots before kabooming in enemy's face anyway, funny that it worked better than GLA suicide truck.
machaiping perhaps they should improve that on further iterations of the game. I mean, IF SOMEDAY EA launches them as i sadly doubt.
I will problably remake this battle and give the battlemasters a target priority set (it is possible with scripting). I can make the battlemasters only target crusaders, and then we can see how the results changed. Thanks for the reminder ;)
Would be interesting to see that.
Humvee's are not tanks, they are vehicles.
@@Pablo-se9qx I find a humvee with either 5 missile defenders or 3 with 2 snipers better than crusaders. Works with combat chinooks too. The missiles shoot faster and snipers deal with infant better then the flying top lookin drones the crusader uses to self repair.
Nice Video Man Love The Trivia
WE JUST HIT 40K VIEWS AND 300 SUBS, THANKS FOR ALL THE SUPPORT GUYS
SkyMix - Zero Hour well done Sky! So happy for you, keep up the good work.
where can I download the game?
Sej Atienza you can buy it in the cd version from Ebay/Amazon or anywhere you can find it OR download from origin website (original game) it comes as a pack of 17 games, wait for the offers, around £5 at times.
What music plays in battle 300 vs 300?
th-cam.com/video/OZdhLORS1Mw/w-d-xo.html
Wasn't expecting i would enjoy but i did XD especially the part near the end had suspense :0
because it´s, made in China ;)
hhhhhhhh of coursre
Emil Sand-Jensen
i mean if fully upgraded there is no way crusader can win
@@tendlerdark7053 thank you but i arabic
@@tendlerdark7053 ههههه حبيب كلبي
no made in ea
i think crusader won because existence of pilot .
so, when battlemaster lose their veteran unit, crusader could maintain veteran unit
Crusader won due to Veterancy of reusable pilots, and higher health. Health becomes more important because the battle wasn't really in a straight line unlike the 50 vs 50 where the tanks actually fight against the 1 in front of them only.
partly due to the fact that pilots from downed crusaders were jumping into others and then the fact that they had longer range so as soon as the battlemasters in front were killed the other ones were trying to path around them while the crusaders were plain and simply still shooting. not to mention the second that you single out a group of 5 battlemasters, if one gets destroyed the others lose the horde bonus. Pathing, pilots and attack range were all huge factors
Are you okay bruh? These types of battles look promising... do more if you can!
maybe in the future who knows
Wow, that's a epic battle O_O
better mobility. better speed. pilots.
wait... I thought the battlemaster was faster?
@@australianword3812 fully upgraded that is. Still have slower respond.
Do more stuff like that, that was lit
I will try !
I just wanna know please how do u get this cam and capture without mouse or the under bar in the game? Anyone can tell me and i will sbe so thankful.
This wasn't done on a normal match, I created this map on the World Builder tool that comes with the game, in this tool you can have scripts to tell what units do and how the game behaves, that's how I got the camera moving like that without mouse and no game UI.
While Battlemasters are better in large numbers if they attack together as seen in Round 1, they were unorganized in round 2 and didn't fully use their horde bonus effectively.
China relies more on numbers, and usually fail if USA has the same amount (the 50vs50 is different story since they all fired simultaneously, which rarely happens) . That's why they are cheaper than most US stuffs. So what if USA had 11 surviving crusaders, China did saved $30000!
Your first point makes no sence
China saved 3300$
This looks like if it was a real battle So good I love it
I think it was the concave formation the crusaders took throughout many parts of the battle. This results in a greater focus on each tank which eliminates more enemy guns more quickly then if they were spread evenly like in the first fight.
Ah, C&C Generals. The only C&C game where the main battle tank is practically never built. USA players: Rock-vee/Ambulance, GLA players: Quad/Buggy, China players: Listening post/Gats/MiGs.
Pilots…they soak up the damage
The first episode of ZHB!
Today we're matching the Crusader and the Battlemaster in epic fights!
Have a suggestion for the next episode? Leave in the comments!
Subscribe for more!
Zero Hour Battles is a series where you can enjoy the epic battles of various units from the game as well as learn the stats (damage, range, hitpoints and bonuses) that I explain.
hi
i know its not the purpose of the video to ask anything regarding to the mod but i got a tiny question
the mod stops installing at 100% altough i have the patch installed needed for the game
any ideas why ?
nope, sorry :(
thats ok, thanks for the reply ^-^
Epic Battle Begins!!!
i think its numbers really because the battlemaster have the bonus does not mean they will all ways win and since the battle masters cant get pilots too is another reason the crusaders have the upper hand
True, m8, its a Trump Card for USA's Survival Strategy
Sillypie Gamer was that a pun
it's just that the crusaders have pilots
Best recommendation!!!
1:55 Пожалуйста скажите что за композиция играет? Заранее спасибо!
Please tell me what music is playing? Thanks in advance!
here you go th-cam.com/video/OZdhLORS1Mw/w-d-xo.html
SkyMix - Zero Hour - Thank you! And hello from Russia.
I wonder,, how come you made this awesome video.
Request : M1 Abrams vs overlord tank.
M1 Abrams? There is no M1 Abrams in Generals?
Reason:
50 Vs 50 was 1 row Vs 1 row. So each tank attacked the other straight in front. 300 Vs 300, we know that as US assault vehicle gets upgraded and die, their pilot climb the nearest vehicle. But Chinese assault vehicles don't have this speciality. They get upgraded, yes but their pilot don't change vehicles. This gave the crusaders advantage because there were 3+ rows of tanks. So crusades efficiency actually increased.
In the last round, crusaders won because the battlemaster has equipped explosives which means when the battlemaster dies it will explode with an a mini mushroom cloud effect, the battlemasters are compressed to each other, when they die they explode which reduces the health of the tank that is close to the one that exploded, that's why crusaders have the advantage of decimating battle masters
probably due to the fact the US tanks and aircraft can eject pilots after they've achieved any kind of veteran status. That pilot either becomes a target causing the battlemasters to use their ammo shooting at them, or the pilot enters a brand new vehicle giving veteran bonuses to the vehicle, increased hit points, damage and fire rate.
Since the dps was the same in the 300 v 300, the total armor count of the crusaders was 144,000 and the armor count of the battlemasters was 120,000. The more tanks both sides had in a battle, the more the crusaders' armor could overpower the battlemasters' horde bonus.
Is this with upgrades nationalisme and armor with usa?
Whats the background song of the 2nd battle 300 vs 300?
Nathan L. Brusmer Here is a link for the music: th-cam.com/video/OZdhLORS1Mw/w-d-xo.html
Alright...tnx dude👌
Division of firepower, the 25% group bonus loses dividends very quickly as 1 of every five tanks is destroyed. Perhaps the tanks take a moment to regroup and regain the bonus firepower, or remain spread while under fire and attempt to attack a more powerful foe. Either way, the time spent regrouping with divided fire is certainly one reason for the loss at equal odds. It is clearly seen that during this battle there is a definitive split into two distinct battles. The power gained in numbers, via bonuses is lost and the commanders gain the advantage.
how did you get the tanks to fire against the one infront of them
Chinese units have a Hoard Bonus, but as individual units they aren't as powerful as USA units. If you take one individual Battlemaster and one individual Crusader than the Curseder would win.
On top of that, the upgrades that the Crusaders have (like advanced training, composite armor and the drones) wold give it an extra edge in battle. I'm certain that if ya had a single Fully Upgraded Battlemaster VS a single Fully Upgraded Crusader tank than the Crusader would win, but that Hoard Bonus that PLA units have is just incredibly powerful.
Without Propaganda Tower, Battlemaster's Defense State is average, and its a Advantage strategy for China Players
The best way to settle it would be to make it a 1v1, but have 5 battle masters so it would gain horde bonus and making sure only one of them is attacking the crusader.
it's the pilots, retaining training of an experienced tank defeats the horde bonus
The veterancy itsef does not compensate for the +33% RoF of the battlemasters. The Battlemasters wasting shots at the pilots from the destroyed crusaders is what tipped the scales.
The scene i always wanted to do when i was a kid
Focused hitting will allow eleminating more target units, when moving 300 unit you need tactics to make all units really engaged in firing not waiting to be hit, plus maneuvering and running around the battle field without engaging would cause youbto loose shots against enemy..
The combined dps of the crusaders wrecked the horde bonus especially since it was just a battle royale that time around
How Crusaders wins this battle? Simple answer: Pilots
Battlemasters have a "Horde bonus", but Crusaders (if are promoted to level 1 or higher) have an pilot, whos "upgrade" battle stats of Crusaders. They are faster, stronger and severe, so. If Crusader destroy many Battlemasters, then they "promoted" and destroy, Pilots going to Crusaders and upgrade them. Now Crusaders are stronger than Battlemasters.
Nice video! Keep going! :) Next time: Technical (upgrade with rocket launcher) vs. Humvee (full upgrade + drone)
Thanks for the suggestion, I took note :)
Humvee probably win the round.
Actually there was a few moments, when crusaders were standing as perfect wall, when china had to push by uneven lines, so that situation created some kinds of "focus fire" by crusaders, as result, china lost all their power approximately in the middle of battle
Keep in mind that I didn't film all 600 tanks at once, meaning that what you've said probably happened off-camera to battlemasters as well. Good point though.
that was epic
Why didn't you use the Nuclear Shells and Nuclear Engines for BattleMasters and Drones for Crusaders?
Maybe in some other episode.
Those upgrades are from the China Nuke faction no? If so, the comparable USA tank would be the Laser Crusader from the USA Laser faction.
Nice Vid Bro
Thx for the heart mate keep up the good work
how did you get all the tanks in formation?
I used the world builder tool and placed them manually.
Because of survivor pilots from the fallen crusaders upgrades the rank of the closest crusader they can get in, giving it more fire power.
Have you added the composite armor effect on Crusader? The HP will be 580 not 480. And you can use bombardment to add more damage too
the crusaders and the battlemasters are in their most basic form, there are no upgrades or strategy center plans.
Question: where can i play C and C zero houre online?
here cnc-online.net/
i'd have to say it was because not every shot was made on a crusader tank some shots were fire at the pilots that came out of destroyed crusaders
Hello is this a mod ?
And how can you do it?
How did you line them up like this?
Battlemasters aiming at pilots.
10 range advantage allowing crusaders to fire a earlier, thus getting in 1 more shot.
Boils down to range and concave engagements on the crusaders. Also if crusaders have the veteranancy upgrade.
Redistributed veterancy by pilots was the main driving factor in my opinion.
I would like to see how the results change once both tanks are fully upgraded ( including the drones)
will definitely do this in the future !!!
U have which mod? Why u have nice quality in game ? On me not like this ? Whats mod name?
The mod is linked in the video description. It's an enhanced graphics mod
Hello did you upgrade the Armor. Also if you give promotion they can battle to the last. Crusader tank is expensive the pilot got promoted he can escape. Also they can produce drones.
This battle had no upgrades.
what graphics mod u using to get those tank explosions
You can download it here www.moddb.com/mods/project-raptor-the-foxtrot-code/downloads/generals-hd-graphic-pack-10
How to make dis battle dude? I want try too
What do you guys think? Was it all by chance?
EDIT: There's a mistake in this video, the horde bonus does not give 25% bonus rate of fire! It gives +33.33...%! The battlemaster and crusader both take 2 seconds to reload. But with the horde bonus it takes 1.5 seconds for the battlemaster to reload. At first it seems +25% because 0.5sec is a quarter of 2sec. But if we calculate both tanks rates of fire in rounds per second: Battlemaster: 1/1.5 = 0.666... rounds/sec; Crusader: 1/2 = 0.5 rounds/sec. Now to calculate the bonus in % we do: (0.666...x100)/0.5 =133.33...%!
I know why the crusaders won the second round ;) There is a little secret in the games coding on the USA faction side, which very many should know of already!
What bias? Colour me curious (???)
I'd assume that with both sides acting on autopilot the pilots kept tanking shots for the tanks.
Other than that small clusters of Battlemasters lost their bonus due to unfortunate positioning during the battle (probably inconsequential)
guess: American Veterans have better stat bonuses, compounding over the duration of the battle.
The slightly higher speed of the Crusaders gives them a tiny boost in burst potential, making them line up enough damage to kill a Battlemaster in one barrage quicker and more often than the enemy, resulting in more Battlemasters dying before they can get mileage out of their higher attack speed. (Plus, crusaders take one more attacker each to be killed in one burst) - Movement Speed > Attack Speed when there is enough damage potential to instantly kill.
Because you Have pilots in the Crusaders easy it increases there stats +1 rank :)
SkyMix - Zero Hour strategy center, bombardment.
how did you put them in formation
Is the 300 v 300 theme from Zero Hour? Can't remember it.
what do you mean?
Just heard the music and can't figure it out if it is from Zero Hour or not.
It's from a community made mod th-cam.com/video/OZdhLORS1Mw/w-d-xo.html
Who saw soldiers in 4:25 hahah funny and respect for labor very nice video
hahahah nice I didn't see that. Thanks for the support
Pilots have the best survival in this tank battle.
Not to mention some of those -battlemasters are spread out so they don't get horde bonus.
-Some battlemasters also fighting 1v2 crusader or 4v5.
Fully upgraded battlemasters (Autoloader doesn't count since it only available on kwai) versus fully upgraded crusader plus bombardment from strategy center.
The winner will be the crusader. Because nuclear tank can also damage friendly. And they don't have bonus armor upgrade
I will try to do this.
Pilots transfer ranks so if they go in a crusader tank the crusader repairs itself meaning the crusader has enough health to finish off a battlemaster
Yes! Also higher rank increases tank damage and health.
Battlemasters got split up, thus taking away their horde bonus when their numbers fell but the crusaders stayed in a large group while others distracted the scattered battlemasters allowing the large group to run over the smaller groups of battlemasters. Well, that's what I guess.
Once the crusader dies, its pilot will go out leaving the machine. Pilots are considered infantry and infantry takes less damage from tank. So, the match is like having 300 battlemaster vs 300 crusader + 300 hard to kill pilots
Hey skymix what is the mod for that visual smoke and explosions?
This is where I got it from www.moddb.com/mods/project-raptor-the-foxtrot-code/downloads/generals-hd-graphic-pack-10
HORDE BONUS ENGAGED!
WE STAND TOGETHER!
I agree with the other commenter's uhhh (what do you call it?)opinions..?
Nice vid btw.also can you make on basic infantry units.(ex:usa ranger vs. China red guard)
Yes I can!
The horde bonus of battlemasters gives them a lot of advantage.
Where can I Download C&C zero hour @Skymix
here ^-^ www.mediafire.com/file/kg4sco09u45yymb/
Why use the battlemaster bonus? And then not use the drone ability for crusaders?
because the battlemaster bonus is passive, while for the crusaders you actually have to buy the drones
Pls Tell me how do u do that?
All forces prepare for the next assault
what if you try out the battle master with all of their upgrades and the crusaiders as well with their attack drones? still putting the money on the cusaiders since the vets retention is a plus in addition to the battle drones can repair when not in combat or the hellfire drones will do more damage. But that horde bonus from nationalism and nuclear shells isn't something to mark off.
This episode will have a sequel and I will have your suggestion as long as many others in it :)
The crusaders eject their pilots when they get destroyed. The pilots make good cannonfodder and soak up damage from the battlemasters.
how did you do this please tell me this is amazing
How do you create such battles?
World builder
Using the World Builder tool, it comes with every game installation. Maybe I will make a World Builder guide someday.
what is song in video
What music did you use at 1:56
you can find it here: th-cam.com/video/OZdhLORS1Mw/w-d-xo.html
Thx you
what is name song in video
The crusaders were targeting 1 battle masters at a time
because of the battlemasters position in the battle, every pro players know how much is important to take position in a battle.
what does positioning help you with? They're literally on flat land!
Because of the pilots
Pilots are a good distraction and also good booster for tanks
You're right!