Pumping concrete with the Liebherr 38XXT concrete pump. Checkout how smooth the pumping action is with the patented "Power-Bloc" pumping cell from Liebherr.
All right I'm sure couch operator that's a badass pump you can't tell me you can't talk to your brother into getting something like that I mean I like that pump that pump is amazing like I said I got to watch this video again there is so much to take in on this side wow I would like to hear the pipe slot like you said on a Big slab pour that would be cool take care and have a good week
I would LOVE!!!!! to get one (the 36 meter, 5 section boom version specifically). The challenge we face in our market here is that profit margins for us on these smaller booms sizes is absolutely razor thin. We tend to do better with the big-booms and line-pumps. For us, the smaller boom sizes essentially just end up serving our customers needs to hopefully keep the more profitable pump sizes for us busy (yes, it sounds completely stupid… and is). I really want to discuss this aspect of the business during an upcoming livestream. I think it’s a great topic which we could all benefit in learning from one another. Considering the risks and liabilities we incur in this industry, the net margins are minuscule. We need to do better.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 I was curious about this industry I have done some pumping in my past in the lower mainland for a year before I moved back to the praires and realized there is almost no competition in my small town but I'd have no clue what sort of liabilities and overhead besides the pump itself would I incure soft costs and such. I was tempted to call you guys to in hopes talk to someone about this haha.
Love one down under,I’m on a putz 38-5 at the minute good machine but we just got a new powercrete 36m which is awesome and I’d love one of theses. Send it lads !
Assuming you can get the outriggers fully extended, how much would you have to raise the boom to clear the boom rest, deck pipe, cab etc., in a case where overhead interference (wires) comes into play? Similar to a z fold putz?
@@richardspence2005 Not a fan of the reducing hoses for a couple of reasons: -I do not like reducing in rubber (increased chance of the hose whipping in a plug and release scenario). -a good percentage of our jobs we are connecting up to additional line and/or reducing down to further to 2.5” or even 2”. -also, we find it much easier for the hose guy to push around ten foot 3” whip rather than the reducing hose which is essentially still a 5” diameter at the point where the hose-man is pushing from. I have buddies in markets not too far way from ours whom absolutely love them. For us they’re just not super practical.
Hey Scott is this something that maybe you can talk your brother into buying as a pump for your guys's collection of pumps for jobs or is this something that would be too big for your guys's fleet of pumps is that something that Dan his company would buy or is it something that Marie and his kids company would buy I'm just curious as to how you guys feel about this problem I have to watch this video again because there's a lot to it
I suspect that the plug on the prime wouldn't have occurred if previous clean out had been done properly. Judging from the look of the jib elbows, before we started, I doubt water washing was the culprit.
I don’t believe so Darin. The previous users had left a few treats is the deck pipe, but even that I do not believe was the cause of the plug. The culprit I am betting was the fact that we had brand new reducers as well as a brand new tip-hose on the boom (lots of fresh edges for things to catch on).
I only ever use the Hopper Vibration if the Concrete is Stiff and won't go down Tru the Grill because I find if you use it all the time it makes the wash out so much harder. And I have never done a Water wash in All the years I've been working Pump's since I was a kid over 30 years around PUMP'S I sometimes whould such back 1 soft Ball and washout then put the Ball into the back bend and when back in the yard Fill the Hopper with water and put the hose over the side and pump the water and then you know that the boom is clean just don't forget to open the hopper door to let the water out of the Hopper
We run our grate vibrators pretty much full time as we almost always a running a secondary screen. Securely makes sense what you mention about it making the washout more difficult. Sounds like an absolute 100% certain way of getting the boom clean. I like it! 👌👌👌
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 if the concrete is wet and you have the vibration going it can splash concrete all over like standing beside a poker As it's been taken out Of the concrete and you get the little splash everywhere I like having a Very Clean pump and Hopper with not even a little bit of concrete On the Hopper Grate Bar's you whould think it's brand new but it's almost 20 years old. I don't run the big Pump's anymore I like to stick to the Line pump or the PUMI 24m with the drum on it that can carry 6 metres of concrete. I've run all different kinds of pump's from 16m city Pump's up to a 63M Putzmeister now I work for a small company and we have 3 pump's and a few Concrete mixers and we do small little House job's of only one truck of concrete here in Dublin and I'm much happier doing the smaller job's
Do you have any of the PUMI Pump's over the in Canada? Because they can be so good doing a small job because you bring the concrete and pump it but if MORE then one truck don't start pumping until you know that the other load is on the way and pump him first and then you pump yourself out last so you can keep some Mud and add water to it to keep it moving if you ever need to wait for a Balance if they Run short
@@johnnybrophy8229 We actually don’t. I feel like that would cut into our most gravy of punk jobs those (quick little 1 load gigs). But sure why they never caught on here in North America.
Man, I can't help but think this machine over solves a lot of issues I've never had. Maybe I'm just old school, but it seems far too complex. Simpler is better in my mind 🤷
I think it really depends on the type of work as well as the area in which you are working. For us, a good amount of our work is tight job sites in downtown Vancouver. This outrigger system would be a HUGE asset for our customers as well as our business. I do very much agree that there’s a lot of features which folks in other markets may not necessarily need or fully utilize. It’s a pump which would fit our specific needs very well, but may not necessarily be for everyone (which is pretty much the case with each individual manufacturer). I’ll take my 36XXT in classic Liebherr yellow/grey. Please and thank you! 😁
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 For sure, and I understand that. But I think of things very simply, and concrete anything is always benefited by simplicity. The more systems that could in theory render my pump unable to complete the job, or get cleaned out...I dunno I don't like it. I also don't like that I need to call them up and get permission from the manufacturer to keep using after it's had an issue. Sorry, but I paid for it, I don't think I should have to ask for your permission to keep using it after it's had a problem. Just my two cents there I suppose.
@@mitchell7203 The bypass timer is a bit of a point of contention for me as well. I’d like to see a change there for sure. As far as the pump kit, it has more redundancies than other brand I’m aware of, so I think they’ve done good there. I’m admittedly a ginormous pump-nerd and as such, likely embrace much of he techy type stuff more than many others would. I appreciate your feedback and comments. Real world operators opinions are the best conversation when reviewing equipment like this. Appreciate you brother 🙏🙏🙏
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 It's very cool, I love the concepts of it for sure. I think of the situations where concrete pumping doesn't go so well, and as the company mechanic I see every bad day we have hahaha. I do also really like the idea of having no accumulator, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how you think it might perform on a big stick doing high volume pours, and if it could keep up. Either way, accumulators fail and it's one more maintenance item, definitely like the idea of not having to worry about those anymore!
@@mitchell7203 So that’s one of my biggest remaining questions as well. I really would have liked to see how the pump kit (specifically the S-tube changeover) would perform pushing a high volume and/or stiff mix. Definitely appears to make for a calmer/smoother pumping machine, not having an accumulator circuit.
@@tydavis3282 so I couldn’t really say with any certainty as our experience with reducing hoses is very limited. I will say however that from a safety standpoint point of mud prefer reducing in steel versus reducing in rubber. I’m just not super keen on the idea of having the body of the hose pressurized behind a plug which is very likely towards the end/reducing portion of the hose. Lots of other markets use/love them though. Could honestly just be speculation and theory on my end.
@@Jacob_6420 22’ in the front. I believe the Alliance 38M is just shy of 21’ The Liebherr outriggers are definitely longer because of where they tie into the subframe unit, but the actual spread is only slightly larger than the Alliance in the front, and slightly more narrow in the rear.
@canadianconcretepumper1979 probably just the way they fold out that looks different compared to mine. I've only ever been on an alliance so nothing else to compare it to in person
@canadianconcretepumper1979 ya we pretty much use a 5to4 reducer with a 12ft 4inch hose for most jobs except for some commercial or ICF then we will use a 5to3 reduced hose right off the elbo
Out here, on these smaller size booms, we prime slower as we’re typically reducing down to a 3” a smaller tip-hose. Larger size tip-hose we will prime through a little quicker (maybe 30-40 meters per hour). With our mixes, I never experienced positive results with prong faster. I’m thinking perhaps the more rocky the mix, the more benefit to priming through quicker. Our mixes are typically very heavy on sand and lighter on aggregate, in comparison to many other areas.
@@nico92viau I’d be scared shitless to prime though that quickly throw a 3” hose (especially a reducing hose). It’s also becoming blatantly apparent that I’m a ginormous wussy! 😂😂😂
All right I'm sure couch operator that's a badass pump you can't tell me you can't talk to your brother into getting something like that I mean I like that pump that pump is amazing like I said I got to watch this video again there is so much to take in on this side wow I would like to hear the pipe slot like you said on a Big slab pour that would be cool take care and have a good week
I would LOVE!!!!! to get one (the 36 meter, 5 section boom version specifically). The challenge we face in our market here is that profit margins for us on these smaller booms sizes is absolutely razor thin. We tend to do better with the big-booms and line-pumps. For us, the smaller boom sizes essentially just end up serving our customers needs to hopefully keep the more profitable pump sizes for us busy (yes, it sounds completely stupid… and is).
I really want to discuss this aspect of the business during an upcoming livestream. I think it’s a great topic which we could all benefit in learning from one another. Considering the risks and liabilities we incur in this industry, the net margins are minuscule. We need to do better.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 I was curious about this industry I have done some pumping in my past in the lower mainland for a year before I moved back to the praires and realized there is almost no competition in my small town but I'd have no clue what sort of liabilities and overhead besides the pump itself would I incure soft costs and such. I was tempted to call you guys to in hopes talk to someone about this haha.
Love one down under,I’m on a putz 38-5 at the minute good machine but we just got a new powercrete 36m which is awesome and I’d love one of theses.
Send it lads !
Assuming you can get the outriggers fully extended, how much would you have to raise the boom to clear the boom rest, deck pipe, cab etc., in a case where overhead interference (wires) comes into play? Similar to a z fold putz?
Hey boys Dan/ Scott where are the marker lights on the Boom on the rear ?
Beautiful pump. Price wise how much this one go for?
Right in the ballpark for Putz and Schwing machines of this same size range.
Why do you guys run the reducer with such a long hose and not just a 5-3 hose?
@@richardspence2005 Not a fan of the reducing hoses for a couple of reasons:
-I do not like reducing in rubber (increased chance of the hose whipping in a plug and release scenario).
-a good percentage of our jobs we are connecting up to additional line and/or reducing down to further to 2.5” or even 2”.
-also, we find it much easier for the hose guy to push around ten foot 3” whip rather than the reducing hose which is essentially still a 5” diameter at the point where the hose-man is pushing from.
I have buddies in markets not too far way from ours whom absolutely love them. For us they’re just not super practical.
@@richardspence2005 Also, they are SUPER expensive 😁😁😁
Man that's how it used to be in Ca 20 years ago you could wash out right where you sat they would back scrap your wash out makes great road base .
I’ve heard that many sites in Cali will even have a water truck to load the hopper up for the operator. Sounds like the way to do it for sure!
@@canadianconcretepumper1979yeah some sites do that
Hey Scott is this something that maybe you can talk your brother into buying as a pump for your guys's collection of pumps for jobs or is this something that would be too big for your guys's fleet of pumps is that something that Dan his company would buy or is it something that Marie and his kids company would buy I'm just curious as to how you guys feel about this problem I have to watch this video again because there's a lot to it
Very Nice! Was the plug up chunk from water washing possibly? Smooth shifting truck!
I suspect that the plug on the prime wouldn't have occurred if previous clean out had been done properly. Judging from the look of the jib elbows, before we started, I doubt water washing was the culprit.
I don’t believe so Darin. The previous users had left a few treats is the deck pipe, but even that I do not believe was the cause of the plug. The culprit I am betting was the fact that we had brand new reducers as well as a brand new tip-hose on the boom (lots of fresh edges for things to catch on).
I only ever use the Hopper Vibration if the Concrete is Stiff and won't go down Tru the Grill because I find if you use it all the time it makes the wash out so much harder. And I have never done a Water wash in All the years I've been working Pump's since I was a kid over 30 years around PUMP'S I sometimes whould such back 1 soft Ball and washout then put the Ball into the back bend and when back in the yard Fill the Hopper with water and put the hose over the side and pump the water and then you know that the boom is clean just don't forget to open the hopper door to let the water out of the Hopper
We run our grate vibrators pretty much full time as we almost always a running a secondary screen. Securely makes sense what you mention about it making the washout more difficult.
Sounds like an absolute 100% certain way of getting the boom clean. I like it! 👌👌👌
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 if the concrete is wet and you have the vibration going it can splash concrete all over like standing beside a poker As it's been taken out Of the concrete and you get the little splash everywhere I like having a Very Clean pump and Hopper with not even a little bit of concrete On the Hopper Grate Bar's you whould think it's brand new but it's almost 20 years old. I don't run the big Pump's anymore I like to stick to the Line pump or the PUMI 24m with the drum on it that can carry 6 metres of concrete. I've run all different kinds of pump's from 16m city Pump's up to a 63M Putzmeister now I work for a small company and we have 3 pump's and a few Concrete mixers and we do small little House job's of only one truck of concrete here in Dublin and I'm much happier doing the smaller job's
Do you have any of the PUMI Pump's over the in Canada? Because they can be so good doing a small job because you bring the concrete and pump it but if MORE then one truck don't start pumping until you know that the other load is on the way and pump him first and then you pump yourself out last so you can keep some Mud and add water to it to keep it moving if you ever need to wait for a Balance if they Run short
@@johnnybrophy8229 I’m the same as you, much happier on the small booms and line-pumps. Big-sticks are for the young bucks! 😁
@@johnnybrophy8229 We actually don’t. I feel like that would cut into our most gravy of punk jobs those (quick little 1 load gigs). But sure why they never caught on here in North America.
How long is the sponge gonna last? Will we ever find out?
My bet is that it falls out of the tool box and rolls away, never to be seen again!
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 😆 probably
I really like this pump
It was a treat to run it😊
Was super impressed with it James. Pump kit was unbelievably smoooooooooth!!!
Stretching out and bouncing the empty boom seems to give a pretty good indication of the full boom.
I do it to watch what the truck doing if the outrigger are lifting or sinking
@@jamessomero3617 exactly
Let me ask this have you put your boom in a frame behind and move to save time
@@jamessomero3617 no. But I have left outriggers out and moved ahead 100 ft
From our readings shown on the remote display, this would in fact appear to be the case.
Man, I can't help but think this machine over solves a lot of issues I've never had. Maybe I'm just old school, but it seems far too complex. Simpler is better in my mind 🤷
I think it really depends on the type of work as well as the area in which you are working. For us, a good amount of our work is tight job sites in downtown Vancouver. This outrigger system would be a HUGE asset for our customers as well as our business.
I do very much agree that there’s a lot of features which folks in other markets may not necessarily need or fully utilize.
It’s a pump which would fit our specific needs very well, but may not necessarily be for everyone (which is pretty much the case with each individual manufacturer).
I’ll take my 36XXT in classic Liebherr yellow/grey. Please and thank you! 😁
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 For sure, and I understand that. But I think of things very simply, and concrete anything is always benefited by simplicity. The more systems that could in theory render my pump unable to complete the job, or get cleaned out...I dunno I don't like it. I also don't like that I need to call them up and get permission from the manufacturer to keep using after it's had an issue. Sorry, but I paid for it, I don't think I should have to ask for your permission to keep using it after it's had a problem. Just my two cents there I suppose.
@@mitchell7203 The bypass timer is a bit of a point of contention for me as well. I’d like to see a change there for sure.
As far as the pump kit, it has more redundancies than other brand I’m aware of, so I think they’ve done good there.
I’m admittedly a ginormous pump-nerd and as such, likely embrace much of he techy type stuff more than many others would.
I appreciate your feedback and comments. Real world operators opinions are the best conversation when reviewing equipment like this.
Appreciate you brother 🙏🙏🙏
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 It's very cool, I love the concepts of it for sure. I think of the situations where concrete pumping doesn't go so well, and as the company mechanic I see every bad day we have hahaha. I do also really like the idea of having no accumulator, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how you think it might perform on a big stick doing high volume pours, and if it could keep up. Either way, accumulators fail and it's one more maintenance item, definitely like the idea of not having to worry about those anymore!
@@mitchell7203 So that’s one of my biggest remaining questions as well. I really would have liked to see how the pump kit (specifically the S-tube changeover) would perform pushing a high volume and/or stiff mix. Definitely appears to make for a calmer/smoother pumping machine, not having an accumulator circuit.
No 5-3 reducing hose? Lot of guys use them where I am (east TN)
In our area they’re just not very well liked. Most of the hose men prefer a 3” hose attached to steel reducers (easier for them to push around).
I have definitely thought about using the two reducers and a 3” hose. Do you experience any more plugs with this compared to a reducing hose?
@@tydavis3282 so I couldn’t really say with any certainty as our experience with reducing hoses is very limited. I will say however that from a safety standpoint point of mud prefer reducing in steel versus reducing in rubber. I’m just not super keen on the idea of having the body of the hose pressurized behind a plug which is very likely towards the end/reducing portion of the hose.
Lots of other markets use/love them though. Could honestly just be speculation and theory on my end.
I’m going to try this on my next formed wall job for sure!
He totally missed the prime . As soon as the crete starts to fall over the s tube I start the prime . I also prime in a z pattern almost every time
Seems like a beefy outrigger for a 38m. My 38 alliance fronts are nowhere near that long
@@Jacob_6420 22’ in the front. I believe the Alliance 38M is just shy of 21’
The Liebherr outriggers are definitely longer because of where they tie into the subframe unit, but the actual spread is only slightly larger than the Alliance in the front, and slightly more narrow in the rear.
@canadianconcretepumper1979 probably just the way they fold out that looks different compared to mine. I've only ever been on an alliance so nothing else to compare it to in person
We use a 5to4 reducer to a 12ft 4inch hose
We use the same for much of our commercial work. 5-4 + 4-3 and a 12’ long 3” whip for most residential wall pours.
@canadianconcretepumper1979 ya we pretty much use a 5to4 reducer with a 12ft 4inch hose for most jobs except for some commercial or ICF then we will use a 5to3 reduced hose right off the elbo
just need to win lotto to buy one scott
Here in quebec we prime at 70-80m/hour !
Out here, on these smaller size booms, we prime slower as we’re typically reducing down to a 3” a smaller tip-hose. Larger size tip-hose we will prime through a little quicker (maybe 30-40 meters per hour). With our mixes, I never experienced positive results with prong faster. I’m thinking perhaps the more rocky the mix, the more benefit to priming through quicker. Our mixes are typically very heavy on sand and lighter on aggregate, in comparison to many other areas.
I prime my 63 with a 5-3 hose everytime! Here its because concrete segregate too easy so we go fast while priming and it doesnt have time to !
@@nico92viau I’d be scared shitless to prime though that quickly throw a 3” hose (especially a reducing hose). It’s also becoming blatantly apparent that I’m a ginormous wussy! 😂😂😂
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 ahahah trick is to slow just before passing the hose 😂😂
I work in the Fraser valley and everyone I know who pumps primes the same as he did. Same process with the water in hopper too.
That's a bad habbit that operator has picked up and needs to loose dipping under the outriggers
Something I myself have never really even thought about. I’m guessing you mean in terms of potentially banging one’s head on the underside of the leg?
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 banging one’s head i’ve seen a few guys TKO themselves
I’m not sure on the way you write your number 4s 😬😂
I’m analyzing the footage as we speak 😂😂😁
Who gets the money for the pumping?😂
Liebherr 😂