I think its a matter of just how soon at this point. There are already a few IR sensors that support guncons on the Mister. So its just a matter of the Saturn cores being compatible. Which is in progress. Id say by next year the latest. But its always hard to gauge progress on the cores. Especially since most of the devs are doing analogue pocket FPGA in parallel. All good things.
This video has motivated me to connect my Mayflash Dolphin Bar to my PC! Was playing some Super Mario Galaxy with a real Wii remote at 4k this morning 😊
Definitely. And I’ve shown them on the channel. GunCon, GunCon 2, GunCon 3 on LCD, Wii controller, etc etc. But this is my fav genre of arcade game so I’m going to add every new option to my collection and this has been the best. Also if you take the BOM and built it yourself it’s what I’d consider cheap. The expense is the build time you put into it
@@METR0lDTH-cam automatically deletes comments with links in them, assuming they are spam, which is so annoying. I've had a lot of my comments deleted. Stupid idiots who run this site.
@@VideoGameEsoterica it would be nice. Because most of these videos on this topic are in Spanish, and it’s difficult to follow without knowing the language, or they are generally poorly made and barely explain anything
I’ve got a series starting soonish called “emulation night school” where I’ll be doing windows tutorials on all the most popular emulators, etc etc and May slide some control stuff in separate videos
@@VideoGameEsoterica wow wow wow, it's sounds very cool! I hope it's going to be more pc oriented. People have gone crazy over the emulator on Android, and almost every video is an explanation of how to install and setup it on Android. But all the emulators on the PC have also been updated, and almost all the videos on the topic are outdated... Well, with the exception of Duckstation maybe.
I've never had any issues with my GunCon 3, even when I purposefully tried to ruin the crosshair calibration by moving forward, backward, and stepping side to side away from the screen it still had perfect accuracy for me. I even spun around in circles like a fool, and had no issues. I bought 2 Sinden guns, but wasn't too pleased with using them, I barely got it work with Duckstation playing Time Crisis, but it wasn't close to playing Time Crisis on original hardware with a CRT. It would be amazing if we can get light guns back for modern consoles, new games on PS5, with an accurate gun that doesn't require fiddling with configurations and text files to make it work.
Yes the nice thing here is once you calibrate it you are good unless you change televisions. If you don’t move the sensors and don’t change the tv the calibration really holds true
I was hoping this would've been a setup tutorial on how to use it with the MISTer. I know JB joined the MISTer team and is working with them to get it working I just dont know when it'll be fully implemented.
@@VideoGameEsoterica ok that is AWESOME! I can get rid of the PC in my arcade now and just use the MISTer like I've always wanted. Maybe I'll get a Jamma board convert my arcade control panel and it'll be simple to use. Can't wait for next week!
I love that you only need to calibrate once, that's amazing! After accuracy, that would be its biggest asset for me. Do you know if 2 guns works off one set of IR's? More vids on this would be cool🤟🏻
Yes, more content on gun4ir. Ich have never used a system that is more hassle free and accurate than this. I build everything DIY and it's a breeze. The software needs ports and integrations in every mayor emulation, the MiSTer, then original hardware. It is the solution we are waiting for since 2003.
Depends on the game / how it functions. Crosshairs can be turned off for light gun games. For x/y coordinate (analog) lightgun style games the crosshair is in the game assets itself
Sinden Lightgun has a little bit of setup but based on all the videos I've seen, it's faster than Gun4IR, though that's probably dependent on your system. Also they're cheaper and in stock.
Having both I would disagree. Both work well and I doubt end users could perceive noticeable difference. The Sinden software has additional CPU load and the added border, both which the GUN4IR don't. If you have the skills (or know someone who can do it for you), the Gun4IRs are cheaper and you have a choice in gun shells as well. I will agree I was shocked at some of the prices for premodded Gun4IRs thought. JB's recently released PCBs sure make the task much easier.
@@VideoGameEsoterica A lot also depends on where you live. My first 2 GUN4IRs took some time (mostly because of old eyes and rusty soldering skills), but using JB's PCBs and 3D printed parts I was able to convert a Guncon2 conversion yesterday with Solenoid and rumble in a little over an hour. Much easier and cleaner especially if doing a Guncon1/2 conversion. Too bad there isn't a PIF program like printing Voron parts to get these in more users hands. Nice to share these fun classics that newer generation haven't seen. Tactile gun ouputs just adds so much more to these games.
I bought a lightgun thinking I can use it on my Raspberry Pi4... and I was told this is not the case. What console do I need for the gun4ir lightgun? Are there consoles the come with lightgun games included? What do you suggest? Thanks!
the best thing that could ever happen to lightguns would be if someone were to make a program that somehow could auto detect what lightgun you have and automatically tell emulators how to talk to it. the setup is such a hassle.
I find the tracking accuracy to be better and I appreciate not having a white border around the games. But that’s me. Sinden is a great product all the same
I wonder if you have access or could compare those with the Retro Shooter one's (comes with a Pandora's box, don't care, but with the PC module to use it for Mister / emulation)
The camera wasnt in the way with those glitches, the camera was further back than the gun. I bought an ems topgun 15 years ago. I thought there would be bigger improvements with the best light guns on the market today. Still laggy, still glitchy. Bit sad. It should be possible.
It’s in the way of direct line of sight. I was at a 45 degree angle over to the side of the camera. Which obscured its view of one IR sensor. In the way = I’m the area you should be holding the controller
How come you didn't use two sets of sensors? I thought the official recommendation from Gun4IR was 2 sets for screens larger than 65"? I wonder if your experience would be even better then...
The screen is 65” and I had no issues with visibility of LEDs. Did I say 70” in the video? I have another tv in another room that’s 70” that I don’t use for the channel snd maybe I conflated the sizes in VO
It's definitely not mandatory to add an extra set for big screens (it will still work with one set if it's placed properly), it just helps having a more stable tracking if you have a 70" or larger.
Gun4IR is definitely a nice kit, it's just too bad that it's so expensive even if it's just the kit let alone fully assembled in a Namco Guncon. Still, I have been considering trying to build a set using some faulty NES Zappers I have lying around to fill in the gaps for what my set of Sindens cannot accomplish. My Sinden lightguns have been great as plug n' play devices on my mini PC that I flashed Batocera to, but they can't play everything which can be frustrating. Most notably, they really just don't work with Sega AM3 (or Model 2 if you will) emulation so that means no House of the Dead or Gunblade NY for me unless I want to use a mouse. PlayStation lightgun games are also hit and miss, but that could be me using the wrong emulator. The Sindens do work great for LA Machine Guns and The Ocean Hunter via Model 3 emulation and pretty much anything on Final Burn Neo will work with Sindens just fine. One of my favorites on Neo is Space Gun, I absolutely love that lightgun game and I'm sad I never saw one in the arcades when I was younger cause I know I would've addored it then to. On the subject of the Guncon 3 for the PS3, Batocera recently added plug n' play support for them by basically treating them as Gun4IR's. I don't have the proper IR lights to really test this yet, but I do have to Guncon 3's and I did do some very light testing with the original IR lights just to see if Batocera would pick up the signal and it does work. Not properly due to missing the Gun4IR lights, but I'll test again once I have them. If they work good, then that could be an option for anyone who already have Guncon 3's lying around but it might be smarter to build an actual Gun4IR if they don't since Guncon 3's are becoming rare and expensive. It may also be tougher to affix a lens piece to a Guncon 3 versus going fully custom on a true Gun4IR build. I just so happen to already have two Guncon 3's because I've been collecting for consoles for roughly 8 years so I figured why not try them lol.
The Sindens can play everything the Gun4ir can. And yes they work fine with HOTD and gunblade if you use the right emu. The only difference between Sinden and Gun4ir is the technology used. In terms of emu compatibility they are both the same.
@@TitchgamerRG The thing is I don't use standalone emulators on a windows pc or anything like that. I use Batocera which employs the use of Retroarch and some specialized emulators. That may be why my Sindens tend to be spotty.
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Wow that's a very nice review! Hearing you talking about the gun4ir is making me even more motivated to continue working on it!
Thank you for making my Custom gun sir.
When will these be back in stock?
It looks amazing, thank you for your work
@@robbiej111 on the international shop, or my US partner rpeg electronics?
Please do
I built mine into a NES Zapper and I love it ❤
Good to know it fits inside the zapper too
this is why i love this channel
Aww thanks
I love these guns, I highly recommend grabbing one for anyone that is a hardcore lightgun fan. Great video review of this awesome product ❤.
And if there is one thing I am it’s a diehard lightgun game fan haha
Would love to see a detailed tutorial video for sure! Building out my home arcade cab currently and deciding on which lightgun system to go with.
I’ve done tutorials for some emulators. Still gotta do MAME
Someday we'll see a video like this announcing MISTer Saturn light gun support, and that will be a good day. 👍
I’m sure that’ll come eventually
I think its a matter of just how soon at this point. There are already a few IR sensors that support guncons on the Mister. So its just a matter of the Saturn cores being compatible. Which is in progress. Id say by next year the latest. But its always hard to gauge progress on the cores. Especially since most of the devs are doing analogue pocket FPGA in parallel. All good things.
Saturn isn’t going to be on Pocket so it’s def a one platform development at this point
@@VideoGameEsoterica I meant that most of the Mister Devs are working on Pocket cores in parallel. Not that the Saturn core would come to pocket.
Ahh then yes. Most arcade stuff is def multi platform these days
Yes please continue with gun4ir content. I will be attempting to convert both of my Sinden light guns to Gun4ir.
At least one more video is coming
Great video! Thank you! A lot of useful information elegantly delivered.
Glad you enjoyed!
This video has motivated me to connect my Mayflash Dolphin Bar to my PC! Was playing some Super Mario Galaxy with a real Wii remote at 4k this morning 😊
Nice. Always a fun time
Not trying to throw shade, but it's always better, cheaper and simpler to have a regular light gun and a CRT.
Definitely. And I’ve shown them on the channel. GunCon, GunCon 2, GunCon 3 on LCD, Wii controller, etc etc. But this is my fav genre of arcade game so I’m going to add every new option to my collection and this has been the best.
Also if you take the BOM and built it yourself it’s what I’d consider cheap. The expense is the build time you put into it
it's great. I'm really looking forward to original hardware support being added for ps2 in the future.
It’ll be interesting to see what else can be done with Gun4IR in 2024
I've been using Guncon 3s on my MiSTer. Love lightgun games!
I’m glad I opened my LED arrays and got the data out so more people could build them aftermarket for cheap
Noice. I'm using the LEDs from Misteraddons. 😎
Why do my comments keep getting deleted!? TH-cam has been removing a lot of my comments lately on the channel.
@@METR0lDTH-cam automatically deletes comments with links in them, assuming they are spam, which is so annoying. I've had a lot of my comments deleted. Stupid idiots who run this site.
Ugh no clue. Drives me nuts
Are you already know you need to make one of these setup videos man. Lol but seriously it would be great for all of us to learn as well
I did one for MiSTer. It’ll be out soon. I may do emu specific guides for PC. See how this does first before I start
@@VideoGameEsoterica dude you are the man vge
Haha thanks
more of that please! Thank you! Also demulshooter and wii remote as lightgun. And It would be dream come true 😁
I may do some more in the future
@@VideoGameEsoterica it would be nice. Because most of these videos on this topic are in Spanish, and it’s difficult to follow without knowing the language, or they are generally poorly made and barely explain anything
I’ve got a series starting soonish called “emulation night school” where I’ll be doing windows tutorials on all the most popular emulators, etc etc and May slide some control stuff in separate videos
@@VideoGameEsoterica wow wow wow, it's sounds very cool! I hope it's going to be more pc oriented. People have gone crazy over the emulator on Android, and almost every video is an explanation of how to install and setup it on Android. But all the emulators on the PC have also been updated, and almost all the videos on the topic are outdated... Well, with the exception of Duckstation maybe.
It’s all PC oriented
I've never had any issues with my GunCon 3, even when I purposefully tried to ruin the crosshair calibration by moving forward, backward, and stepping side to side away from the screen it still had perfect accuracy for me. I even spun around in circles like a fool, and had no issues.
I bought 2 Sinden guns, but wasn't too pleased with using them, I barely got it work with Duckstation playing Time Crisis, but it wasn't close to playing Time Crisis on original hardware with a CRT.
It would be amazing if we can get light guns back for modern consoles, new games on PS5, with an accurate gun that doesn't require fiddling with configurations and text files to make it work.
May have to check this out. I have a couple of Sinden guns, but I seem to be fiddling with the calibration more than I'm playing games.
Yes the nice thing here is once you calibrate it you are good unless you change televisions. If you don’t move the sensors and don’t change the tv the calibration really holds true
I'm looking forward to seeing how the Blamcon system compares when it becomes available
Yeah I’ve seen previews for it. Don’t know anyone who’s used one yet
I was hoping this would've been a setup tutorial on how to use it with the MISTer. I know JB joined the MISTer team and is working with them to get it working I just dont know when it'll be fully implemented.
That’s part 2. Already made. Next week it’ll air. Setup guide to get it calibrated and working on MiSTer
Same here! :)
Soon :) like next week soon
@@VideoGameEsoterica ok that is AWESOME! I can get rid of the PC in my arcade now and just use the MISTer like I've always wanted. Maybe I'll get a Jamma board convert my arcade control panel and it'll be simple to use. Can't wait for next week!
Yes once you get Gun4IR set up on MiSTer it’s great
I love that you only need to calibrate once, that's amazing! After accuracy, that would be its biggest asset for me. Do you know if 2 guns works off one set of IR's? More vids on this would be cool🤟🏻
Yes two guns will work off one set :)
@@VideoGameEsoterica That's great, thanks. I hope to pick one up at some point.
Yes, more content on gun4ir. Ich have never used a system that is more hassle free and accurate than this. I build everything DIY and it's a breeze.
The software needs ports and integrations in every mayor emulation, the MiSTer, then original hardware. It is the solution we are waiting for since 2003.
Original hardware would be the most fun
Oh man, setup video please with sugar on top! 😁
For MiSTer? I can’t remember what I asked now lol. But MiSTer is done. Airing soon
I’d love to see a detailed setup video.
Also curious how it compares to the Sinden light gun.
I’ll look at a more in depth emu to emu guide in the future
@@VideoGameEsotericaI just found some of your other comments on how it compares to Sinden. I think you’ve sold me. Thanks!
👍
How does this compare to a Sinden? That’s generally my go-to for light gun games these days.
I’d say better. It’s not like a night and day diff but it’s more accurate and easier to deal with after initial setup
How old is your TV, mate? My TV is from 2020 and the edges are about 3 mm thick. No chance to stick those sensors anywhere.
My new tv has the same issue. 2024 LG C4
Does this work on the old M2 emulator? Thinking Virtua Cop but could never get an air mouse or Wiimote to run accurwtely enough.
With some work yes
Thx for the review! Can you do a video on dedicated gun genre setup for pc?
I’ll work on it in the future :)
with the crosshair is that inherent to the Gun4IR? or is it an emulator setting that can be turned off?
Depends on the game / how it functions. Crosshairs can be turned off for light gun games. For x/y coordinate (analog) lightgun style games the crosshair is in the game assets itself
Sinden Lightgun has a little bit of setup but based on all the videos I've seen, it's faster than Gun4IR, though that's probably dependent on your system. Also they're cheaper and in stock.
Gun4IR requires a bit more up front setup but once that’s done it’s done for good unless you change screens
Having both I would disagree. Both work well and I doubt end users could perceive noticeable difference. The Sinden software has additional CPU load and the added border, both which the GUN4IR don't. If you have the skills (or know someone who can do it for you), the Gun4IRs are cheaper and you have a choice in gun shells as well. I will agree I was shocked at some of the prices for premodded Gun4IRs thought. JB's recently released PCBs sure make the task much easier.
The pre modded price isn’t cheap but the parts add up and the work hours do too
@@VideoGameEsoterica A lot also depends on where you live. My first 2 GUN4IRs took some time (mostly because of old eyes and rusty soldering skills), but using JB's PCBs and 3D printed parts I was able to convert a Guncon2 conversion yesterday with Solenoid and rumble in a little over an hour. Much easier and cleaner especially if doing a Guncon1/2 conversion. Too bad there isn't a PIF program like printing Voron parts to get these in more users hands. Nice to share these fun classics that newer generation haven't seen. Tactile gun ouputs just adds so much more to these games.
Yes the recoil really sells the immersion way more so than not having it. Def a must IMO
I bought a lightgun thinking I can use it on my Raspberry Pi4... and I was told this is not the case. What console do I need for the gun4ir lightgun? Are there consoles the come with lightgun games included? What do you suggest? Thanks!
It will work on Pi 4. You just need the drivers and the front end
@@VideoGameEsoterica thanks! But how would I go about finding such drivers and the front end? I'm new to all this.
No problem
That's awesome, never heard of it. Is it working on MiSTer FPGA? If it does, a video would be highly appreciated.
Next week MiSTer vid :)
@@VideoGameEsoterica Perfekt. Really looking forward to it.
Will be a fun one for sure
the best thing that could ever happen to lightguns would be if someone were to make a program that somehow could auto detect what lightgun you have and automatically tell emulators how to talk to it. the setup is such a hassle.
It’s def a more involved setup but it’d worth it in the end
Is there a light gun like this one or even the Sinden light gun that I can use on my old consoles like the NES and Saturn?
Not yet. Hopefully one day. But for real consoles you need a CRT
This is better than the sinden lightgun?
I find the tracking accuracy to be better and I appreciate not having a white border around the games. But that’s me. Sinden is a great product all the same
I wonder if you have access or could compare those with the Retro Shooter one's (comes with a Pandora's box, don't care, but with the PC module to use it for Mister / emulation)
I don’t have those. Not something I’d generally pick up due to expense / having diff ways to do it. If they sent some I’d def do a vid though
Where did you find those custom brackets for the LEDs?
They were in the box. JayBee made them
That's the ones I provide with my pre modded guncons, but I am working even better solutions that will come later this year.
When will you be playing - Sailor Zombie AKB48 - on the living room display?
Haha eventually
Spensive! And Sold Out!
If you take the BOM and build your own it’s not bad
The camera wasnt in the way with those glitches, the camera was further back than the gun. I bought an ems topgun 15 years ago. I thought there would be bigger improvements with the best light guns on the market today. Still laggy, still glitchy. Bit sad. It should be possible.
It’s in the way of direct line of sight. I was at a 45 degree angle over to the side of the camera. Which obscured its view of one IR sensor. In the way = I’m the area you should be holding the controller
Ugh, I want one so bad but I cant get one in Australia. I will be in Japan shortly tho...
If you learn to solder you can build one. And soldering really isn’t that hard :)
When are you coming to Japan? If I have enough time I might be able to prepare you a modded gun myself ;)
How come you didn't use two sets of sensors? I thought the official recommendation from Gun4IR was 2 sets for screens larger than 65"? I wonder if your experience would be even better then...
The screen is 65” and I had no issues with visibility of LEDs. Did I say 70” in the video? I have another tv in another room that’s 70” that I don’t use for the channel snd maybe I conflated the sizes in VO
It's definitely not mandatory to add an extra set for big screens (it will still work with one set if it's placed properly), it just helps having a more stable tracking if you have a 70" or larger.
Until they figure out how to play two player co-op in Time Crisis 2 and 3 with a pair of gun4IRs, I'll keep my pair of guncons and crts.
I need 2
Not cheap but worth it
Is it true that one gun costs $500 US?
Closer to $400 but that’s built. If you build your own it’s much less
When will these be back in stock?
You’d have to check with the maker JayBee. Go to his site (first thing you get when you google Gun4IR
depends on which country you are living in, I am managing the stock for EU and UK, and I have a local partner who is handling the US
@@jaybee1584 I'm in the US. Who is the US distributor?
Does it work with mister?
It does and I’ll have a tutorial and review for MisTer soon
You use crosshairs?
Not when I’m not making videos. I do for the videos for illustrative purposes
Show how to hook it up to Mister please
Next week
all the newer hdtv guns are $300 plus rich people only
The parts inside aren’t cheap
Really cool but way over my budget I'm afraid!
If you can solder the BOM is public with directions. Much cheaper if you DIY
Gun4IR is definitely a nice kit, it's just too bad that it's so expensive even if it's just the kit let alone fully assembled in a Namco Guncon. Still, I have been considering trying to build a set using some faulty NES Zappers I have lying around to fill in the gaps for what my set of Sindens cannot accomplish. My Sinden lightguns have been great as plug n' play devices on my mini PC that I flashed Batocera to, but they can't play everything which can be frustrating. Most notably, they really just don't work with Sega AM3 (or Model 2 if you will) emulation so that means no House of the Dead or Gunblade NY for me unless I want to use a mouse. PlayStation lightgun games are also hit and miss, but that could be me using the wrong emulator. The Sindens do work great for LA Machine Guns and The Ocean Hunter via Model 3 emulation and pretty much anything on Final Burn Neo will work with Sindens just fine. One of my favorites on Neo is Space Gun, I absolutely love that lightgun game and I'm sad I never saw one in the arcades when I was younger cause I know I would've addored it then to.
On the subject of the Guncon 3 for the PS3, Batocera recently added plug n' play support for them by basically treating them as Gun4IR's. I don't have the proper IR lights to really test this yet, but I do have to Guncon 3's and I did do some very light testing with the original IR lights just to see if Batocera would pick up the signal and it does work. Not properly due to missing the Gun4IR lights, but I'll test again once I have them. If they work good, then that could be an option for anyone who already have Guncon 3's lying around but it might be smarter to build an actual Gun4IR if they don't since Guncon 3's are becoming rare and expensive. It may also be tougher to affix a lens piece to a Guncon 3 versus going fully custom on a true Gun4IR build. I just so happen to already have two Guncon 3's because I've been collecting for consoles for roughly 8 years so I figured why not try them lol.
Ooh I didn’t see that about GunCon 3. That’s a fun addition
The Sindens can play everything the Gun4ir can.
And yes they work fine with HOTD and gunblade if you use the right emu.
The only difference between Sinden and Gun4ir is the technology used.
In terms of emu compatibility they are both the same.
Yes implementation is there for both. It’s the tech that varies
@@TitchgamerRG The thing is I don't use standalone emulators on a windows pc or anything like that. I use Batocera which employs the use of Retroarch and some specialized emulators. That may be why my Sindens tend to be spotty.
The most layers between the controls and the emulator the more sources where issues could crop up
more vids
Soon!
Vnice
Glad you enjoyed
Need to grab one. I have a Sinden but I can always use more technology!
That’s the spirit lol
thats gotta be a new record for saying 'in and of itself'
I gotta strive for records where I can
100%. Time for the VGE drinking game :)
It’s how I express myself lol