These are the observations that people make that make me absolutely love being a part of these "lore nerd" discussions. I thought the same thing when I was looking through pictures of the ships in Halo Warfleet. 😂
Sounds like a design flaw. Also instance in Canon UNSC has no inertia forward negating or impulse. But sublight fighters depict banking and maneuvering in space.
Covenant had a culture of "Ritualized Warfare", which is a massive problem irl for all martial forces throughout all of human history. Great video, Thank You!
I believe that and it makes sense, if your population's interests and expertise aren't diversified you'll stagnate in progress and success. Eventually you'll be overcome by more versatile powers.
@@gammacompanymark I agree, yes, though there is another aspect. The Covvie leadership is driven by infighting, tribalism, propaganda & a rigid caste structure so their ruling classes were intentionally causing societal stagnation because it keeps the status quo. When the castes were changed it immediately caused a schism that broke the Covenant. It's not that the UNSC was more adaptable, progressive, or successful but that the Covenant itself was unsustainable & was doomed to break itself. Like Rome; it was always doomed to collapse.
Don’t forget about the honeycomb structure they use that they inherited from the Halcyons, reports on the halcyons said that because of that honeycomb structure they remained functional with 99% of their hull/armor destroyed or damaged
Although its nowhere anything like the lore, I loved watching a Pillar of Autumn in a Space Engineers tournament take absolutely catashropic damage but kept the pilot and missile launchers alive. The thing was just a floating hulk frame by the time the weapons finally fell silent
Hopefully now that the Infinity is gone the UNSC will refit the existing Valiants in the same manner they did the Pillar of Autumn, and roll out Valiant block II with the same sort of upgrades.
Well one could hope they do that and the same for the Marathon-classes as well since those had the best looking overall design compared to the Halycon/Autumns.
Eternity is still under construction and infinity was only compromised not destroyed all they have to do is take it over again then send in a few cradle repair ships to get it up and running again
Dude, with the amount of effort you are putting into these lore videos and with the sheer quality of them, you are gonna skyrocket up to the top of the list of Halo Lore Channels. You deserve every sub to come
I agree with you about 343 being obsessed with the Infinity, they put entirely too many eggs into one basket with that ship, which meant that when it would inevitably get cornered and mobbed to death by smaller ships, the Navy would lose half a fleet's worth of assets. Should've gone with the Grand Admiral Thrawn approach of a larger fleet of small to midsized ships that can more or less be everywhere rather than building a big supership to show how "manly" your faction is. As far as I see it, if your nation keeps building giant super ships, that you KNOW could cripple their navy if they got destroyed, yet they're still claiming it's "the pinnacle of their technological development", you know they're overcompensating for something. Building it big doesn't make it better.
8:50 you say that the autumns remained at earth during the requim campaign, though there are several autumns seen going into slipspace alongside the infinity in halo 4: forward unto dawn. As you can see in the Commissioning trailer for halo 4, some of the escort fleet (notably the Paris class frigates, but likely also autumns) actually arrived at requim, but was most likely destroyed by requims defenses, with the infinity crashing down to the surface, were we see it in the campaign. So the autumns didn't all remain at earth
Love me some halo lore lol keep up the good work! Would be cool to see some of the UNSC Carriers, aside from the Infinity they don’t get much spotlight.
I feel like the Autumn class needs more turrets like how the Pillar of Autumn turret placement, but anyway can you do the Valiant class Super Heavy Cruiser?
i mean, its been made quite apparent that during the war coilguns spread across the hull were pretty much irrelevant due to the shields. Whilst yeh, it would make sense for prolonged engagements due to ships post war beginning to be equipped with shields making the requirement of defending itself only long enough to fire its macs off, the mac is still undeniable the main piece of doctrine still in use.
@@bencurran3204still useful to have against lighter ships that you cant hit with a MAC. + if you manage to crack the shields with your MAC but the ship is still operable you can cut it apart instead of absorbing fire until your MAC reloads.
i still refuse to believe the infinity was destroyed in infinite, until i see a wreck or some sort of proof of its demise, its still kicking around out there disabled or somehow managed to retreat a field of scrap in infinite only shows there was a fight not the ship fell, and for its size you would see it on delta if it did crash
I love halo lore and I'm a huge fan of hearing about the ships. This is the first video I have seen by you and it is top tier. Amazing quality and I can't wait to watch more of your videos. Keep up the amazing work and you definitely got a like and subscribe out of me.
If I'm not mistaken some UNSC vessels can actually tuck the weapons away inside the ship in travel or for maintenance. Like the Spirit of Fire and Paris Class
I just found your channel, and I really appreciate your work! Been playing Halo since Combat evolved came out and I've always been interested in the fleet of halo
I would love to see something explaining all the differences of the smallcraft the UNSC employs, I have noticed that there seem to be multiple different types or versions of Pelican Drop-Ships, and also it would be really nice to get some clarification of the roles and deployment of Shortswords, Broadswords, and Longswords, similarly there seem to be a large number of different types of gunships. Just thought it would be something to bring up. 😅 Oh yeah! By the way, just posted this half a minute ago and am already editing, but I would love, LOVE, to see a breakdown of the Orion-Class Assault Carrier, from what I know it's designed to support an entire fleet and has the facilities to support itself and escorts for extended periods of time without resuply, what with being able to refine and fabricate spare parts and armaments, and are also equipped with crafts that gather raw resources.
Wait...people are saying the Autumn class isn't a real ship? Seriously? By the time of Halo CE, the original Halcyon design was outdated. IIRC, the Halcyon was a old even before the Human covenant war. So, why on Earth would the UNSC, Post War, start manufacturing an obsolete design already decommissioned from the fleet? They have all sorts of new technologies. It is far more effective and efficient to design a new ship with features of the Halcyon that incorporate all the improvements and upgrades and new tech like true artificial grav. It would be like if the US Navy gave up on the Arleigh Burke class destroyer and began building new Oliver Hazzard Perry class frigates. For those who may be confused, until relatively recently, (80's or 90's I think), the US had designated large destroyer leaders as frigates. Yes, it's counterintuitive. This caused a lot of confusion with the British Navy when we would hold joint exercises because, for the Brits, Destroyers have always been the larger ships. Eventually, the US Navy changed the designations making the smaller ships frigates and the larger ships destroyers. Yes, I know it's weird. No I don't know why the US Admiralty decided to call Destroyer Leaders Frigates. While the Frigates of the 60's developed out of the destroyer leader concept, the actual result was closer in some ways to the relationship between Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts (sloops/corvettes to you Brits). Anyway, the end result was the Arleigh Burke class destroyers replaced the OHP frigates.
Admittedly not my favorite unsc ship I always thought the autumn-class was slept on as a ship, sure design wise it's not winning any awards but the technology put into is groundbreaking for the unsc fleet. Also, great videos man, might I ask if you are doing any covie ships soon? I'd particularly like to hear your take on the Kewu-pattern battleship or the Varric-pattern heavy cruiser.
I've been getting more requests for covie ships lately, there's definitely some on my list. And we're in the same boat for the Autumn, not bad, not great, but underrated.
7:00 You mention 220 ODSTs, but only 216 drop pods being able to be launched simultaneously, and now I'm thinking about the 4 dudes who get left behind in such a drop. Just awkwardly sitting there while everyone else drops.
Well when you think about it. The infinity like Cortana says in halo 4 was just being constructed and took them like all of the covenant war to finish so some of the systems may not be on par with other ships when you really think about it
One thing thats never really mentioned, is the integration of captured covy tech. Like covy borer Ophon-class slipspace drives. Yes, more violent but much MUCH faster.
Dont know if anyone else noticed, but the closest autumn class cruiser to the camera here has the name plate "Song of the East" i wounder what story it has in lore.
On the Valiant-class, one could simply update the design and tech like the Autumn-class coming from the Halycon-class. Though I wished they used the Marathon-class as basis for the next-gen crusier design.
I think I prefer the aesthetics of the Valiant, and I think they could possibly bring them back as rarer fleet leaders. Or maybe reserve them for protecting high value targets.
@@gammacompanymark So more purpose built as command cruisers for the Valiant derivatives? For the Marathon-class design, considering the Halycon design ended up being a heavy cruiser; it would be fitting if the Marathon-class design ended up reclassified as a light cruiser - frigate/destroyer leaders and deployed en-masses as line units.
I wonder how they got around the overheating issue with railguns. The reason the Zumwalt doesn't use railguns today is because of the massive amount of heat generated due to the weapons energy requirements to power it. So after firing the rails and thr barrel would very suddenly heat up and then cool - and what happens to metal when it rapidly heats up then cools down? The metal suddenly expand and then contracts, and doing this repeatedly causes the metal to become brittle and this is what causes the rails to become unusable after about 5-10 rounds or risk destruction of the weapon during operation. I also would like to know why the UNSC went with artillery isn't of missiles when in modern naval warfare, artillery has mostly been made obsolete aside from close in defense thanks to missiles being able to do pretty much anything artillery can do but simpler, quicker more accurately. This is why modern warships don't operation large artillery turrets like the ones that were used during the 1st and 2nd world wars - and ought to still be true centurys later, assuming lazer weapons dont come to prominence by then. (Which is unlikely since the US is already making headway in the lazer weapon department for point defense against incoming air targets like aircraft, drones, and missiles.)
I do think that the PoA has earned the UNSC being sentimental about it. That ship is the catalyst to Humanity's survival of the war, and- victory, I suppose. If it hadn't been for that ship, and those that crewed her, Humanity would have eventually fallen. (But that does mean the PoA II has some big shoes to fill.)
I don't get how the shields activate "after" an impact on the hull. Maybe there's a small sacrificial 2nd hull or something? Otherwise, I feel like it would have to detect it slightly before impact or maybe the literal nanosecond impact occurs. I guess if the shield truly is "part" of the armor. Normally it's a second layer separate from shields just outside a ships armor, so be interesting if it was a shielded armor. That would be different than like, ablative armor.
The issue with the covenant races and technological development wasn't necessarily being war focused, the irony of it that would help if it wasn't for a different issue which you state, due to their religious fanaticism they refused to adjust the designs of what they believed was the correct means of using the things they discovered. So whilst humanity was altogether less developed, it was much more technologically intuitive and most sciences were for sure ahead of covenant equivalents. The only reason the covenant had better warships was due to the foreunners like you said. the Sangheili or however you spell it would've definitely been a force to be reckoned with by themselves if they were not tied down by the holy laws. I say this because, well, war is a driving factor for scientific and technological development of humanity. Look at the things catapulted forwards decades by ww1 and ww2, the Autumn class is a prime example of this again. Humanity survived, looked at the tech went, "the fuck is this so inefficient" and made it good. War drives development, yeh it doesnt control it, but thats made clear by the Human-Covenant War and such
MAC round standardization seems greater commonsense .... Frigate MAC fires a 600 ton projectile, likely Cruiser would fire same bullet,MUCH faster velocity. More kinetic energy. Second, UNSC fusion reactors undoubtedly improved to provide more power.
Eh do a complete over view of UNSC naval doctrine, from solar wars, to insurrection, to covenant war to post covenant war, covering both void battles and planetary support missions, breaking it up into several parts
You know? I'm not sure that the Autumn-class was the best UNSC cruiser. But it has two main points that makes it quite popular. 1) was originated from the Cruiser that led to turn the tide of the war against the Covenant, so it boost morale. 2) it was cheaper than others. From what I saw about the specifica of UNSC cruisers on the Encyclopedia and the other documents, the Marathon-class was the best cruiser around. But of course it was also quite expensive. Something you can afford to produce in mass numbers when your civilization is about to disappear and so money loses it's value. After the war, money was still a thing and it had to be spared so: "Welcome Autumn-class!... That is just an upgraded version of an already obsolete class of light cruisers!"
Shield efficacy by scifi franchise Independence Day: 10/10 💯 Star Trek: 9/10 🌟 Halo (Covenant) 7/10 Halo (humanity) 6.5/10 Up from Zero Star Wars: negative 3... what shields
The Autumn is put simply, a THICC girl. The Engine housing is the largest section of the hull. I have the die cast replica and, I really never liked it much. It feels stubby.
so here is one question. the official halo warfleet book says that the autumn-class is 1400m+ long while the Halcyon-class is 1170m long. Does the antenna on the front of the Autumn's count in the length?
Could you do a vid on a ful size covenant battle cruiser I’m talking like regret’s type cruiser VS the UNSC Infinity idk if this would be s good battle or not idk the size comparison but if it is similar it would be cool 😎… Just started watching your vids and love them already keep going 👍
I think each Cruiser would probably need their own videos to be complete videos in a reasonable time frame. I've done one on the Halberd-Class Light Destroyer and I'm currently working on one for the Hillsborough-Class Heavy Destroyer and the Dilligence-Class Light Destroyer. The only other destroyers aren't named and wouldn't really work as full videos, unfortunately.
One of the most ignoring things in Halo when it comes to ships is the crew and compliment numbers. On a ship of the size of those seen in Halo one would expect more personnel. If not more crew than more troops being carried . I mean seriously the Autumn class Heavy Cruisers measure 1,425 meters long by 383 meters wide by 431 meters in height. And yet the compliment is supposed to be 45 Marines and 220 ODSTs. That is far below what they should have on board ships that size. I personally think the writers of these books should spend some time on an Aircraft Carrier or a USMC Assault ship such as the Wasp-class amphibious assault ship. Which usually houses 1,871 Marine troops and 66 officers, 1,004 enlisted crew. That's 2,941 personnel on a ship 843 ft long. The Autumn class heavy cruisers have a crew and complement combined of 1,065 personnel for a ship that is 3,831 ft or 1167.6 meters longer than the USMC Assault ship. See what I'm saying ? The writers for 343 and Bungie don't know anything about how to calculate realistic crew numbers. Which isn't surprising considering they have yet to correct the scaling issue when it comes to the sizes of their ship's. At cannon numbers the Longsword fighter Chief used to escape the original Pilar of Autumn before it blew up destroying the ring. Wouldn't have fit in the hanger bay. And been large enough for anyone above 3ft tall to have flown it. So Halo has a major scaling issue. In terms of both realistic numbers of personnel and the size of the ships.
Well the Wasp was an assault ship so I guess it was intended to have a large force inside it. While Autumn class cruisers and other UNSC ships like the Marathon and Stalwart were essentially flying guns that take up 60% of the ship which means less crew but yeah.
@thesovietduck2121 With the size of those hanger bays. They should have a lot more crew and a larger compliment. Not to mention, the UNSCs ships were designed to be capable of carrying enough troops and equipment to attack planets if they got out of line. Your average fleet would include support ships, battleships, or cruisers and carriers. Basically, the UNSC operates each battle group similar to a US Navy Carrier strike group. Sure, the carrier and supply ships carry most of the extra supplies, but the intention was for each ship to be self-sufficient. Especially during and after the Human-Covenant War. The Suppy ships mainly carry equipment and supplies to make parts and vehicles.
Could you do a video on the game Project Stardust? Its on Roblox, but it is one of the best space combat games out there. It includes ships from multiple shows and games, including HALO.
Well that's what the armor is for, but it would be more functional against lasers if there was some kind of curved mirror armor. But the covenant has never really used lasers for anything but point defense, and since they lack ingenuity I guess the UNSC figured it wasn't a big enough threat.
Great ship but god damn, those ramparts have such shit firing arcs. The autumn has to have one of the worst AA suits in the entire UNSC. Personally, i would have put those 4 tucked in sentries in dorsal and ventral positions. I don't think there is any proper lore for them, but i always thought they were dual purpose cannons, so putting them where they have the nest possible firing arcs would help the ship greatly.
I doubt the Autumn class could be considered the "best" cruiser. It is after all, a modernization of an older design. If it could be done to some old Halcyons, then there is no reason a Marathon or Valiant couldn't receive the same or better upgrades and be just as effective as an Autumn class. That "lower hanger" is a result of DIGIC not knowing what they were doing when they made that cutscene, imo. How is it sealed off from vacuum? Shielding over the entrance like Infinity? Man, the scaling of UNSC ships is so broken it hurts.
I’m sorry, 800 crewers? There’s no way. I build models to scale with each other of ships, and a beast that gigantic versus a modern day aircraft carrier (crews of 3,000 at a fifth the length and a pittance the draft and beam) tells me that behemoth needs at least 20,000 just to keep it running. Maybe it needs 800 officers, but… jeez. (Fyi, this isn’t me bagging on you, I know you only report this, not make it, I just had to rant after hearing those numbers.)
Those first 30-45 seconds is why the Covenant called Chief “Demon”
Truly terrifying
Sir... shaking what Dr.Halsey gave me.
I like how the reverse thrusters would melt off several of their secondary weapon turrets
I think they're slightly angled outward, but yes that is a definite issue I could see lol
These are the observations that people make that make me absolutely love being a part of these "lore nerd" discussions. I thought the same thing when I was looking through pictures of the ships in Halo Warfleet. 😂
Sounds like a design flaw. Also instance in Canon UNSC has no inertia forward negating or impulse. But sublight fighters depict banking and maneuvering in space.
zero efect
Makes the projectiles extra spicy, it's a feture
Covenant had a culture of "Ritualized Warfare", which is a massive problem irl for all martial forces throughout all of human history.
Great video, Thank You!
I believe that and it makes sense, if your population's interests and expertise aren't diversified you'll stagnate in progress and success.
Eventually you'll be overcome by more versatile powers.
@@gammacompanymark
I agree, yes, though there is another aspect.
The Covvie leadership is driven by infighting, tribalism, propaganda & a rigid caste structure so their ruling classes were intentionally causing societal stagnation because it keeps the status quo.
When the castes were changed it immediately caused a schism that broke the Covenant.
It's not that the UNSC was more adaptable, progressive, or successful but that the Covenant itself was unsustainable & was doomed to break itself.
Like Rome; it was always doomed to collapse.
Don’t forget about the honeycomb structure they use that they inherited from the Halcyons, reports on the halcyons said that because of that honeycomb structure they remained functional with 99% of their hull/armor destroyed or damaged
Although its nowhere anything like the lore, I loved watching a Pillar of Autumn in a Space Engineers tournament take absolutely catashropic damage but kept the pilot and missile launchers alive. The thing was just a floating hulk frame by the time the weapons finally fell silent
Hopefully now that the Infinity is gone the UNSC will refit the existing Valiants in the same manner they did the Pillar of Autumn, and roll out Valiant block II with the same sort of upgrades.
Well one could hope they do that and the same for the Marathon-classes as well since those had the best looking overall design compared to the Halycon/Autumns.
@@pkyboi937 oh my god YES PLEASE let’s see some Valiant Flight II cruisers
Eternity is still under construction and infinity was only compromised not destroyed all they have to do is take it over again then send in a few cradle repair ships to get it up and running again
Dude, with the amount of effort you are putting into these lore videos and with the sheer quality of them, you are gonna skyrocket up to the top of the list of Halo Lore Channels.
You deserve every sub to come
You guys are KILLING me with the nice comments, thank you so so much.
I always try to make every video better than the last
@@gammacompanymark its working out
@@gammacompanymark awesome channel, watching you since pre-1k
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I agree with you about 343 being obsessed with the Infinity, they put entirely too many eggs into one basket with that ship, which meant that when it would inevitably get cornered and mobbed to death by smaller ships, the Navy would lose half a fleet's worth of assets. Should've gone with the Grand Admiral Thrawn approach of a larger fleet of small to midsized ships that can more or less be everywhere rather than building a big supership to show how "manly" your faction is. As far as I see it, if your nation keeps building giant super ships, that you KNOW could cripple their navy if they got destroyed, yet they're still claiming it's "the pinnacle of their technological development", you know they're overcompensating for something. Building it big doesn't make it better.
8:50 you say that the autumns remained at earth during the requim campaign, though there are several autumns seen going into slipspace alongside the infinity in halo 4: forward unto dawn. As you can see in the Commissioning trailer for halo 4, some of the escort fleet (notably the Paris class frigates, but likely also autumns) actually arrived at requim, but was most likely destroyed by requims defenses, with the infinity crashing down to the surface, were we see it in the campaign. So the autumns didn't all remain at earth
Love me some halo lore lol keep up the good work! Would be cool to see some of the UNSC Carriers, aside from the Infinity they don’t get much spotlight.
Noted, that's defo going on the docket.
I feel like the Autumn class needs more turrets like how the Pillar of Autumn turret placement, but anyway can you do the Valiant class Super Heavy Cruiser?
Sure thang, its goin on the list!
i mean, its been made quite apparent that during the war coilguns spread across the hull were pretty much irrelevant due to the shields. Whilst yeh, it would make sense for prolonged engagements due to ships post war beginning to be equipped with shields making the requirement of defending itself only long enough to fire its macs off, the mac is still undeniable the main piece of doctrine still in use.
@@bencurran3204still useful to have against lighter ships that you cant hit with a MAC. + if you manage to crack the shields with your MAC but the ship is still operable you can cut it apart instead of absorbing fire until your MAC reloads.
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Always loved the pillar of autumn and the fact they made a class of ship based off the design and hold the name is awesome captain keys would be proud
i still refuse to believe the infinity was destroyed in infinite, until i see a wreck or some sort of proof of its demise, its still kicking around out there disabled or somehow managed to retreat a field of scrap in infinite only shows there was a fight not the ship fell, and for its size you would see it on delta if it did crash
They would be dumb to get rid of her. My theory is she’s barely alive like she escaped with a massive whole in her side
Pillar of Autumn II, electric boogaloo.
I love halo lore and I'm a huge fan of hearing about the ships. This is the first video I have seen by you and it is top tier. Amazing quality and I can't wait to watch more of your videos. Keep up the amazing work and you definitely got a like and subscribe out of me.
Thanks I really appreciate it, glad whenever anyone can find enjoyment in these.
That intro was fucking perfection. Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I stumble across you and honestly, im glad I did. I love lore and your humor is awesome. Thank you for creating content.
If I'm not mistaken some UNSC vessels can actually tuck the weapons away inside the ship in travel or for maintenance. Like the Spirit of Fire and Paris Class
I just found your channel, and I really appreciate your work! Been playing Halo since Combat evolved came out and I've always been interested in the fleet of halo
A great video to relax with after work, thanks mate
👍 glad to be of service
I would love to see something explaining all the differences of the smallcraft the UNSC employs, I have noticed that there seem to be multiple different types or versions of Pelican Drop-Ships, and also it would be really nice to get some clarification of the roles and deployment of Shortswords, Broadswords, and Longswords, similarly there seem to be a large number of different types of gunships. Just thought it would be something to bring up. 😅
Oh yeah! By the way, just posted this half a minute ago and am already editing, but I would love, LOVE, to see a breakdown of the Orion-Class Assault Carrier, from what I know it's designed to support an entire fleet and has the facilities to support itself and escorts for extended periods of time without resuply, what with being able to refine and fabricate spare parts and armaments, and are also equipped with crafts that gather raw resources.
A great idea, so great that I've started writing it already!
As a very mid halo fan I’ve always loved the ship design amazing videos. An easy channel to subscribe to! Look forward to new videos
Why thanks, glad to have you on deck!
I'd love to see breakdowns of covie and forerunner ships at some point, these vids are insane
Wait...people are saying the Autumn class isn't a real ship? Seriously? By the time of Halo CE, the original Halcyon design was outdated. IIRC, the Halcyon was a old even before the Human covenant war. So, why on Earth would the UNSC, Post War, start manufacturing an obsolete design already decommissioned from the fleet? They have all sorts of new technologies. It is far more effective and efficient to design a new ship with features of the Halcyon that incorporate all the improvements and upgrades and new tech like true artificial grav. It would be like if the US Navy gave up on the Arleigh Burke class destroyer and began building new Oliver Hazzard Perry class frigates.
For those who may be confused, until relatively recently, (80's or 90's I think), the US had designated large destroyer leaders as frigates. Yes, it's counterintuitive. This caused a lot of confusion with the British Navy when we would hold joint exercises because, for the Brits, Destroyers have always been the larger ships. Eventually, the US Navy changed the designations making the smaller ships frigates and the larger ships destroyers. Yes, I know it's weird. No I don't know why the US Admiralty decided to call Destroyer Leaders Frigates. While the Frigates of the 60's developed out of the destroyer leader concept, the actual result was closer in some ways to the relationship between Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts (sloops/corvettes to you Brits). Anyway, the end result was the Arleigh Burke class destroyers replaced the OHP frigates.
Admittedly not my favorite unsc ship I always thought the autumn-class was slept on as a ship, sure design wise it's not winning any awards but the technology put into is groundbreaking for the unsc fleet.
Also, great videos man, might I ask if you are doing any covie ships soon? I'd particularly like to hear your take on the Kewu-pattern battleship or the Varric-pattern heavy cruiser.
I've been getting more requests for covie ships lately, there's definitely some on my list.
And we're in the same boat for the Autumn, not bad, not great, but underrated.
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Aw shucks, you're making me blush.
7:00 You mention 220 ODSTs, but only 216 drop pods being able to be launched simultaneously, and now I'm thinking about the 4 dudes who get left behind in such a drop. Just awkwardly sitting there while everyone else drops.
Get in the pelican I guess
The shameful Helljumper Pelican ride.
SOEIV -Single Occupant Entry Insertion Vehicle
I've sort of got a breakdown of the soeiv scheduled within a different, longer video.
That halcyon of Theseus joke with cursed Markiplier got me a good laugh 😂
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Thanks! It's a bit overwhelming, honestly lol
Definitely sounds like just the kind of cruiser the UNSC needs.
The book noises at the beginning killed me 💀
Not to mention the drop pod bays are basically a giant 200+ missile battery for bombarding anything big privided you have the explosives
Well when you think about it. The infinity like Cortana says in halo 4 was just being constructed and took them like all of the covenant war to finish so some of the systems may not be on par with other ships when you really think about it
As you've got access to a lot of fleet resources I'd love to see a break down of the known fleet size pre covenant war
I just so happen to be working on a video that will cover that precise topic
One thing thats never really mentioned, is the integration of captured covy tech.
Like covy borer Ophon-class slipspace drives. Yes, more violent but much MUCH faster.
Why is masta chief bustin it down sexual style for like 40 seconds i nearly died
the autum class is what the pillar of autum would beif it had time to incorporate covenant tech.
At least you are honest to us. Unlike TH-cam I'm not explaining.
A breakdown of the Point Blank prowler would be an interesting video
Okay but I still think the marathon is up there in power.
Dont know if anyone else noticed, but the closest autumn class cruiser to the camera here has the name plate "Song of the East" i wounder what story it has in lore.
Armor plating still plays Essential role in battle configuration. Because a ship needs survival against radiation, micrometeors and small weapons
Awesome vid got my sub
Thanks and welcome!
When you say when you say rapid cycling Mac coils, does that mean that the autumn class can you three slugs like pillar of autumn ?
On the Valiant-class, one could simply update the design and tech like the Autumn-class coming from the Halycon-class. Though I wished they used the Marathon-class as basis for the next-gen crusier design.
I think I prefer the aesthetics of the Valiant, and I think they could possibly bring them back as rarer fleet leaders. Or maybe reserve them for protecting high value targets.
@@gammacompanymark So more purpose built as command cruisers for the Valiant derivatives?
For the Marathon-class design, considering the Halycon design ended up being a heavy cruiser; it would be fitting if the Marathon-class design ended up reclassified as a light cruiser - frigate/destroyer leaders and deployed en-masses as line units.
In the first strike book chief and others jump into the bubble shield on the covenant ship because it opens to fire
I think it's interesting the items only one kilometer longer where the previous pillar of autumn was around 2 to 4.
1,171 meters.
UNSC Orion Class Assault Carrier please my Favorite ship
Definitely going on the list
I wonder how they got around the overheating issue with railguns.
The reason the Zumwalt doesn't use railguns today is because of the massive amount of heat generated due to the weapons energy requirements to power it.
So after firing the rails and thr barrel would very suddenly heat up and then cool - and what happens to metal when it rapidly heats up then cools down?
The metal suddenly expand and then contracts, and doing this repeatedly causes the metal to become brittle and this is what causes the rails to become unusable after about 5-10 rounds or risk destruction of the weapon during operation.
I also would like to know why the UNSC went with artillery isn't of missiles when in modern naval warfare, artillery has mostly been made obsolete aside from close in defense thanks to missiles being able to do pretty much anything artillery can do but simpler, quicker more accurately.
This is why modern warships don't operation large artillery turrets like the ones that were used during the 1st and 2nd world wars - and ought to still be true centurys later, assuming lazer weapons dont come to prominence by then.
(Which is unlikely since the US is already making headway in the lazer weapon department for point defense against incoming air targets like aircraft, drones, and missiles.)
I do think that the PoA has earned the UNSC being sentimental about it. That ship is the catalyst to Humanity's survival of the war, and- victory, I suppose. If it hadn't been for that ship, and those that crewed her, Humanity would have eventually fallen. (But that does mean the PoA II has some big shoes to fill.)
The only thing that I like about the Valiant class are the voice lines in Sins of the Prophets
7:54 I think 6 PDTs is a bit low. Double that to 12 PDTs and it’d be more acceptable
What game/sim was some of the ship footage from at 9:59
Those extra hangers in the back r just 343 trying to retcon the ship coz they don't want it to be as big as it was in bungie
I don't get how the shields activate "after" an impact on the hull. Maybe there's a small sacrificial 2nd hull or something? Otherwise, I feel like it would have to detect it slightly before impact or maybe the literal nanosecond impact occurs. I guess if the shield truly is "part" of the armor. Normally it's a second layer separate from shields just outside a ships armor, so be interesting if it was a shielded armor. That would be different than like, ablative armor.
The issue with the covenant races and technological development wasn't necessarily being war focused, the irony of it that would help if it wasn't for a different issue which you state, due to their religious fanaticism they refused to adjust the designs of what they believed was the correct means of using the things they discovered. So whilst humanity was altogether less developed, it was much more technologically intuitive and most sciences were for sure ahead of covenant equivalents. The only reason the covenant had better warships was due to the foreunners like you said. the Sangheili or however you spell it would've definitely been a force to be reckoned with by themselves if they were not tied down by the holy laws. I say this because, well, war is a driving factor for scientific and technological development of humanity. Look at the things catapulted forwards decades by ww1 and ww2, the Autumn class is a prime example of this again. Humanity survived, looked at the tech went, "the fuck is this so inefficient" and made it good. War drives development, yeh it doesnt control it, but thats made clear by the Human-Covenant War and such
MAC round standardization seems greater commonsense .... Frigate MAC fires a 600 ton projectile, likely Cruiser would fire same bullet,MUCH faster velocity. More kinetic energy.
Second, UNSC fusion reactors undoubtedly improved to provide more power.
While unfortunate, the Valiant Superheavies went the route of Wet navy Dreadnaughts. Modernised Cruisers are just better both space or wet navy.
I have a theory that series 8 macs are not a substitute for mark 8s but gen 8 Mac’s
Where can we get this encyclopedia?
Eh do a complete over view of UNSC naval doctrine, from solar wars, to insurrection, to covenant war to post covenant war, covering both void battles and planetary support missions, breaking it up into several parts
He never talked *In depth* about the autumn classes odd fighting style, notable for rotating the entire body while ruthlessly firing all turrets
You know? I'm not sure that the Autumn-class was the best UNSC cruiser.
But it has two main points that makes it quite popular.
1) was originated from the Cruiser that led to turn the tide of the war against the Covenant, so it boost morale.
2) it was cheaper than others.
From what I saw about the specifica of UNSC cruisers on the Encyclopedia and the other documents, the Marathon-class was the best cruiser around.
But of course it was also quite expensive. Something you can afford to produce in mass numbers when your civilization is about to disappear and so money loses it's value.
After the war, money was still a thing and it had to be spared so: "Welcome Autumn-class!... That is just an upgraded version of an already obsolete class of light cruisers!"
Having more ODSTs than Marines doesn't make sense to me. ODSTs are Special Forces, so if they started mass producing them they're gonna lose quality.
Shield efficacy by scifi franchise
Independence Day: 10/10 💯
Star Trek: 9/10 🌟
Halo (Covenant) 7/10
Halo (humanity) 6.5/10 Up from Zero
Star Wars: negative 3... what shields
The Autumn is put simply, a THICC girl. The Engine housing is the largest section of the hull. I have the die cast replica and, I really never liked it much. It feels stubby.
so here is one question. the official halo warfleet book says that the autumn-class is 1400m+ long while the Halcyon-class is 1170m long. Does the antenna on the front of the Autumn's count in the length?
We can't forget about infinity's planned sister ship or was that discontinued or cancelled?
Oooohhhh can we do what you think the best infantry vehicle is in the UNSC?
A good idea. Since they all have their uses, it would have to be like a list of useful vehicles. The warthog would defo not be on there lol.
@@gammacompanymark not a chance lol
Could you do a vid on a ful size covenant battle cruiser I’m talking like regret’s type cruiser VS the UNSC Infinity idk if this would be s good battle or not idk the size comparison but if it is similar it would be cool 😎…
Just started watching your vids and love them already keep going 👍
Forgot to type this earlier…
If it’s not a good size comparison then you could do a smaller class covenant cruiser or a corvette
Sounds good, I've been toying with the idea of doing ship vs battles for a while, and I'll put them on the list now that someone's asked.
I don't understand how the shields work.
What about Corvette
you've done 2 videos on the frigates of the unsc, have you also done that for the destroyers & cruisers?
I think each Cruiser would probably need their own videos to be complete videos in a reasonable time frame.
I've done one on the Halberd-Class Light Destroyer and I'm currently working on one for the Hillsborough-Class Heavy Destroyer and the Dilligence-Class Light Destroyer.
The only other destroyers aren't named and wouldn't really work as full videos, unfortunately.
@@gammacompanymark will be looking forward to it
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One of the most ignoring things in Halo when it comes to ships is the crew and compliment numbers.
On a ship of the size of those seen in Halo one would expect more personnel. If not more crew than more troops being carried .
I mean seriously the Autumn class Heavy Cruisers measure 1,425 meters long by 383 meters wide by 431 meters in height.
And yet the compliment is supposed to be 45 Marines and 220 ODSTs.
That is far below what they should have on board ships that size.
I personally think the writers of these books should spend some time on an Aircraft Carrier or a USMC Assault ship such as the Wasp-class amphibious assault ship. Which usually houses 1,871 Marine troops and 66 officers, 1,004 enlisted crew.
That's 2,941 personnel on a ship 843 ft long.
The Autumn class heavy cruisers have a crew and complement combined of 1,065 personnel for a ship that is 3,831 ft or 1167.6 meters longer than the USMC Assault ship.
See what I'm saying ? The writers for 343 and Bungie don't know anything about how to calculate realistic crew numbers.
Which isn't surprising considering they have yet to correct the scaling issue when it comes to the sizes of their ship's.
At cannon numbers the Longsword fighter Chief used to escape the original Pilar of Autumn before it blew up destroying the ring. Wouldn't have fit in the hanger bay. And been large enough for anyone above 3ft tall to have flown it.
So Halo has a major scaling issue. In terms of both realistic numbers of personnel and the size of the ships.
Well the Wasp was an assault ship so I guess it was intended to have a large force inside it. While Autumn class cruisers and other UNSC ships like the Marathon and Stalwart were essentially flying guns that take up 60% of the ship which means less crew but yeah.
@thesovietduck2121 With the size of those hanger bays. They should have a lot more crew and a larger compliment.
Not to mention, the UNSCs ships were designed to be capable of carrying enough troops and equipment to attack planets if they got out of line.
Your average fleet would include support ships, battleships, or cruisers and carriers.
Basically, the UNSC operates each battle group similar to a US Navy Carrier strike group.
Sure, the carrier and supply ships carry most of the extra supplies, but the intention was for each ship to be self-sufficient. Especially during and after the Human-Covenant War.
The Suppy ships mainly carry equipment and supplies to make parts and vehicles.
Could you do a video on the game Project Stardust? Its on Roblox, but it is one of the best space combat games out there. It includes ships from multiple shows and games, including HALO.
5:55 who says the turrets don’t have their own shield generators?
Can u do all exo suits in the unsc
I've meant to get on that for a while, thanks for reminding me.
@@gammacompanymark welcome I really love your videos even tho I’m new
Can the autumn beat the ccs
Nice
I feel like the ship stats and in game ship scales are waaaaaay off
So their shields should be useless against Lasers?
Well that's what the armor is for, but it would be more functional against lasers if there was some kind of curved mirror armor.
But the covenant has never really used lasers for anything but point defense, and since they lack ingenuity I guess the UNSC figured it wasn't a big enough threat.
#Installation00 should collaborate with you!
Great ship but god damn, those ramparts have such shit firing arcs.
The autumn has to have one of the worst AA suits in the entire UNSC.
Personally, i would have put those 4 tucked in sentries in dorsal and ventral positions. I don't think there is any proper lore for them, but i always thought they were dual purpose cannons, so putting them where they have the nest possible firing arcs would help the ship greatly.
I doubt the Autumn class could be considered the "best" cruiser. It is after all, a modernization of an older design. If it could be done to some old Halcyons, then there is no reason a Marathon or Valiant couldn't receive the same or better upgrades and be just as effective as an Autumn class.
That "lower hanger" is a result of DIGIC not knowing what they were doing when they made that cutscene, imo. How is it sealed off from vacuum? Shielding over the entrance like Infinity? Man, the scaling of UNSC ships is so broken it hurts.
The unshielded hangar could just be a hangar that isn't pressurized, a la Anchor 9 from Halo Reach.
@@gammacompanymark Do you mean the multiplayer map or during the campaign? If I recall, the multi map had those shielded hangers.
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But the Valiant is SO BAD ASS… I’m sorry but an updated Valiant would be so many more levels of bad ass.
Look's like a vape
Microsoft should open up halo to other studios, for rts, 4x, strategy, action, ect style games in the same universe to really unleash it potential.
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I’m sorry, 800 crewers? There’s no way. I build models to scale with each other of ships, and a beast that gigantic versus a modern day aircraft carrier (crews of 3,000 at a fifth the length and a pittance the draft and beam) tells me that behemoth needs at least 20,000 just to keep it running. Maybe it needs 800 officers, but… jeez.
(Fyi, this isn’t me bagging on you, I know you only report this, not make it, I just had to rant after hearing those numbers.)
343 content is fanon. Only Bungie content counts.