Is the TELECASTER TONE Only In The Pickups? | Tonefox Elcaster | Gear Corner
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How does a tele with P90 pickups sound like? Is it even still a "proper tele"? Can you tone match P90 and traditional tele pickups? Or is the telecaster tone only in the pickups?
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Introduction
0:19 Intro Song | Elcaster w/ King of Tone
1:27 What is this Tonefox guitar?
2:18 And the tele for the comparison
2:48 The two comparison rounds are
3:31 PLAYING | ROUND 1 | Tone comparison CLEAN
5:04 PLAYING | ROUND 1 | Tone comparison CRUNCH
6:19 The second round
6:42 PLAYING | My tele w/ The Double Trouble
7:40 PLAYING | ROUND 2 | Tone matching experiment
8:45 How close did I get
9:37 My thoughts on "tone matching" guitars
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Have one P-90 equipped Schecter PT Custom and it rocks. First P90 and I instantly loved the sound. Can't go wrong with P90 equipped Tele. Best Regards Chris!
Amazing job on this comparison, thanks!
great video! both sound like great teles...one beefier one more classic! love em both!
Kris, thanks for another cool video. I like P-90's and I think it has a little more warmth than the 'Traditional' Telecaster sound. My Telecaster has V-Mod ll pickups which has a little more mid-range so I am kind of used too hearing this warmer tone. I agree that we should enjoy each guitar for what it is and let it inspire your playing.
Kris, I gotta say, the way you recorded these guitars really impressed me. I could clearly hear the difference in the character of these two guitars over TH-cam and the garbage speakers in my computer monitor. This was a really well done demo. I've been pining for maybe some P90's in my Tele but I think now I won't. I really enjoy the Tele being a Tele!
Thanks a lot! What I really enjoyed about this Elcaster is that it has the tele mojo and plays like one but it has a very warm and punchy tone. Which is the only thing that some people miss on teles. It’s not a substitute for a traditional tele, it’s a different animal.
Hello Kris, not only the Telecaster is versatile but you are a very versatile guitar player as well! I would love to see videos from you breaking down each genre with tips and hacks. You play so many different genres!
What kind of scales, licks and rhythms are mostly commons for each genre, as well as amp/pedals settings. Cheers!
that was kinda fun to see and hear ! I just yesterday got a used Squire Tele custom II p90. Been all day fixing the neck, nut and frets and setting it up proper bc it was not playing well. But just sat down and compared tonight the Tele classic vibe 50`s I got, and the tele with p90. same results :) you just gotta like the sound of that tele with p90 ! 😄
Nice video, beautiful sounding guitar man. ❤
Another great video Kris! I really need to get myself a P90 guitar. I love that tone!
BTW, my Dynamis is here!! :)
I had really high expectations but that clean channel is even chimier and bell-like than my red knobs Twin. But the Red channel is my dream distortion tone. So chewy but defined, warm but very punchy. And you weren't kidding. It IS a loud amp and having played 100 wattters all my life I was a bit afraid it would not be loud or punchy enough. Well, it's really loud, present and immediate. Best amp I ever played for sure! Now I won't be so jealous of yours ;)
That is so cool!! Congrats man, so glad you like the amp that much. What I love the most about the clean channel is that it has that Fender style vibe (wide tone, beautiful chime, immediate attack and tons of dynamics) but it’s not scooped like a black/silverface amp. In a way it’s not very far from a good Bassman. And it takes drive pedals better than any other amp I’ve ever tried. Happy for you man, have fun with it! 🤩
Great Playing as always
Nice playing Kris !!! Love P90’s.
Nagyon fasza ez a téma az elején! Meg az összes videód is! Keep it up! 👊🏻
Köszi Dénes! 🙏😁
jako si to lijepo rekao
Might have done me a favour here Kris - been pondering a P90 Tele for a while but just much preferred the single coils here!
Great tone and playing! Thank you
Thanks a lot!
Kris, thanks a lot as always - very nice music and interesting videos! I have to admit that the only side effect of your channel is starting to lust for a custom tele 😬😍
I think it's interesting you said "cherish the guitar for what it is". When I got my first guitar, an 82 Fender Bullet Strat (it's what I could afford) I tried to make it sound like a Gibson. All my guitar heroes played Gibsons or non-Fender guitars. I finally gave up and just appreciated it for what it was. It helped that the neck pickup went out not long after I bought it, and since it was such a new model the guy at the guitar shop where I bought it said he didn't have a replacement pickup so he "just put a 69 Strat pickup in it ". Being it was in 82, a 69 Strat pickup was "just an old pickup". Win! I had that guitar for over 30 years but sadly had to sell it to pay bills.
That's why I only play P90's. Clearer than single coils without the ice pick and as much bottom end as a humbucker without the mud or compression. Great Job as always Sir. Thank You for this because it's a great service to the community for people to see and hear this information. Best Regards and Best Wishes!
Both of them look and sound amazing. 😊
You should try the G&L ASAT Classic and Special models if you haven't, they are supposed to be improved teles. I would say the bridge has also something to do with the classic tone, however it's mostly about the pickups. The bridge pickup also works along with anything you could think, from jazzmaster, p90, humbucker or even TV Jones/Dynasonic Gretsch pickups. I love all teles!
that was a perfect test of both pickups types Kris ,i reckon if you
swapped body/pickup either way the result would be the same!
its just how the p90`s differ from s/c I guess, if you put buckers
in your tele its a les paul but telecaster shaped ! 🙂👍
Have been so curious to see how the Fishman Fluence Greg Koch P90s in a tele will compare to standard tele pickups. I'm betting/hoping the single coil voice 3 would be virtually instinguishable while also providing the versatility of a low and high output P90 in Voice 1 & 2. I have the Fishman P90s and love them, but am not I love with the guitar I have them at the moment. Am now looking into a tele build that will have 3 3xP90 arrangement.
nice playing in the intro!
I have a Porter p90 on the bridge of my fender baja telecaster special edition shell pink and it sounds amazing
Very cool. The P90 neck pickup is wound to 8.5k and stronger bar magnet, and tele neck is 43 gauge wire wound to 7.5k with weaker magnetic pole pieces. I think you played with lots of distortion and staccato notes you might not notice much after EQ. But if you play lighter and let the note decay, you could still hear a difference and the attack will be different.
As I said before, you GOTTA record that song. It is really really good!! Great video, my friend. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Aw man, you’re just way too cool. 🤩 Thanks so much, I will do it!
So I'm new to your channel.
I'm a Tele fan because Leo got it right.
But I recently seen a Tele with p90s which is an unmistakable pick up.
However hearing you actually demo the sound in my head it just seems that Leo's sound is all a Tele needs.
But I'd mess around with perhaps a cheaper knock off. To me I just love the true Tele sound.
Thanks that was fun to hear!
Cheers
Doug 😎
The bridge is the 2nd biggest component next to the metal plate on the bridge pickup, in making the tele sound like a tele. Sounds great though!
the interesting question for me would be which sound is more supportive in the band context and to me, this is where the Original might have a little advantage - *because* of the thinner sound. But I would also agree, this will very much depend on the type of music that is played
Egy újabb kiraly video, koszi Kris. Ez a fajta párosítás a p90/ soapbar, az en agyalapi mirigyeimet is csiklandozza, mar csak ez hianyzik az arzenálbol. Meg sok ilyen videót!!!
Hellóka, nagyon köszi! Én pár éve szerettem bele a P90ekbe és azóta nincs visszaút 😆
@@KrisBarocsi megértem... További sikeres munkát kívánok!!!
My tapped P90's are THE solution. The Strat spec winding taps capture the Fender EQ, but the plain strings don't get thin/weak like the rod mag format.
They both sound different and awesome.
I have been thinking about a Tele with P90s or Filter Trons, but wouldn't mess with the ones I already have. (regular with hot rails, and a normal Thinline) They both sound different, as do all my guitars and basses, and each has a purpose depending on what tone I need. Great Demo Kris! I am gassing for a P90 one now 🤪
Gassing for P90s is something that I can totally relate to. Haha! A tip: if you want a P90 with a bit more sparkle and less low mid growl go for a 10% underwound pickup. I might have an interesting video for you in just a few weeks. 😜
A p90 will sound good in nearly any guitar but a Tele with filtertrons is one of the best and most unique sounds of all time. Nothing sounds like my Tele cabronita, it's incomparable.
I really like the thicker bridge sound of the P90 but the clearer sound of the neck's regular lipstick. That might be a winning combo for my taste.
0:55 switch to the neck is 🙌
I put a SD lil 59 in the bridge of a Tele and multiple people told me it was one of the best sounding Les Pauls they ever heard. That's the beauty of it, you never know what it's going to sound like until you try.
Exactly! I love those lil 59s, I had one in my strat for a long time. One of the coolest tone I ever had!
So I just bought a new Noventa Tele, (or rather I bought a new complete loaded Noventa Tele body and a really nice new one piece maple Player Tele neck from the STRATOSphere that mated together exceptionally well😊). To me, it’s the perfect blending of a Les Paul Junior and a Tele. Growls like a Junior, but still twangs like a Tele pretty well. Just love it.
I think we need that steel plate as in the usual bridge pickup (think AVRI or original 52 or most non p90 or non humbucker tele)
None sounded like the other, hors concours. Maybe as both single coils, but absolutely different spectra and core tonality, spankiness, et cetera
BUT... Kris, you made a great job emulating them at the end. Your tones are absolutely tasteful and your recording technique second to none in YT these days!
It really does sound, to me anyway, like someone took a great traditional Tele and a Gibson SG with P90s and slammed them together. I love the way it sounds!
I built an offset shaped 2 x P90 Tele hybrid and as expected it shares many tonal characteristics with the one you have.
As you confirmed here, it really doesn't sound like a standard Tele, but it has a character of its own - and it is quite an impressive palette of sounds at that - I wired it up inspired by the Jerry Donahue signature Tele. It has a 4 way switch with the usual 3 Tele positions, and a series mode in position 4 (HOOOOOT). Then I have a push-push pot to switch to 'half out of phase mode' which gives another set of 4 sounds where especially the middle positions are quite radically different, like tonal 'mirror images' of the normal setting.
I've found myself getting quite creative with the volume and tone control on that guitar too, since the P90s I put in it are overwound and when set to full blast, they just want to blast everything in sight. But when dialling them back I can get some really sweet tones that are better suited to fingerpicking and strumming (and I can crank the amp too, so that my picking dynamics determine how much grit and bite the tone has).
Thanks for the experiment, and sorry for the essay.
I watched this video couple times, before landing some comment. The first impression from the very first jam, was, that guitar sounds like very spanky example of old Les Paul (what is funny, as many people refers to proper Les Paul sound as Tele on Roids).
And then the "normal" Tele sounded exactly like I imagine good Tele to sounds like. And as the video progressed, it was either like "this is not the right guitar of choice for that job (settings), or we are trying to make the guitar something, what it just dont want to be".
Generaly, what I found so far, there are 2 basic schools of thoughs about guitar/amp tone relationship (and neither is bad).
One is: guitar just needs to be very comfy and ergonomic instrument with very neutral sound and I just dial all in thru my amp (pedals, modeler, mainly modeler).
The other is: this is my prescious guitar and I want all of its personality to shine thru my rig.
And the rig needs to reflect that. Some amps are just not good to honor what the guitar is (and that apply also to many full valve amp), but are great at shapeing tone. While other just has some sound and the changes comes from different instrument putted thru it.
Hey Stan, I love your comment! I’m clearly in the “second school” of players and my rig definitely shows the difference between guitars. 😅 That’s why I carefully selected each and every component. 👍
Nice guitar Kris. Would you tell me what the Neck Radius is please? Thanks and Cheers from the US.
Hey Rick, the Elcaster has a relatively flat radius. I think it was 14 or 16”. It feels more modern than the 9.5” of my tele. Cheers!
Hi Kris, I just wondering a tonal different between a squier (with gotoh tunner, bone nut, stailess steel fret wire, fender custom shop pickup & wiring, gotoh bridge with full brass block) and fender custom shop it self.
That is an amazing question for a Comment Time episode. 👌 I have a good story.
So the Mk.3 go back to Mk.1 specs ? Nice.
I think Tonefox did a solid with catering to all those who missed out on the Mk.1
You got it closer than I thought you would, and probably close enough in a band context that casual listeners wouldn't know/care.
Just to be sure though, rout your custom shop for p90s and record that combo too, for science 🤣😉
Oh yeah, sure. Give me a minute, I need to fire up the router... 😂 I love how this Elcaster has the tele mojo but a very different animal. I loved playing these two guitars.
I actually loved the p90
great vid - very useful content much appreciated! Sweet playin' too! The fact that one is Maple Ash vs Alder Rosewood-fingerboard, is prolly having some influence too, but the P90 is just more like a bassball bat vs Katana blade of the traditional tele caster single coils. I like both guitars a lot - but only one actually sounds like a 'tele'
Thanks so much man! Yeah the Elcaster with the P90s has just the right amount of tele mojo but on steroids. Haha! Both great guitars.
I have a Tele with porter 90's. Defo different. Like you say just treat it on its own merits.
Not sure if it’s still a “Tele” but it sounds damn cool!
Kris that p90 gtr is pure zz top, Leo got the tele right first time, it can't be improved upon
Rumor is Tom Delonge used these pickups for Enema of the State which is considered Jerry Fins most successful album for blink and the guitars are the signature sound for blink.
You bugger! Now I want a Tele with P90s. Hey there's room for both in my life. Quality comparison 👏
Haha, Im sorry… I guess. 😅 Thanks a bunch Brian! P90s are just so cool. Best of both worlds, really.
@@KrisBarocsi no need to be sorry Kris, I'll tell my wife you told me to buy one.....hehe
I would agree. Take the guitar for what it is and let it inspire you
Yeah, you can shape the tone of a guitar to sound close enough to other guitars but what's the point? I mean it's great if you're playing in a top 40 band but the true character of guitars is what makes me fall in love with their tone. Cheers!
Is gonna be interesting to compare Fender Parallel Universe Whiteguard Stratocaster and Telecaster...what is there is Fender sweep only body guitar of telecaster with stratocaster(neck,pickups. bridge are from telecaster). To see how much difference in sounds is gonna give actualy body sweep(stratocaster have more holes, less mass in body) it is big difference or not, because mostly people complane about telecaster other guitars are more comfortable to play because telecaster shape of body. Greetins from Serbia.
When you listen à reverend charger 290 with bass contour you can have real sound of telecaster with p90 but when you roll down the bass contour its the real sound of classic telecaster.
Kris you can test this guitar!
I take both 👍🤭
that p90 need to be as close to the bridge as possible to get that airy jangly lp jr sound!
Kris, you confirmed it...I need a Tele!
😂 That I can confirm again if need be. Danny, you definitely need a tele.
The true Tele has more single coil spank and clarity .... but I prefer the beefier Elcaster tones with the P90's.
So
If we could only have a p90 /single cool switch
I’m aware they are very different pickups with extra windings
Just musing about what a great thing that would be !!
Thanks Kris
Love the music 👍
Thanks so much Paul! Well, the Seymour Duncan P-rails do kind of what you described. Those are awesome, check them out.
@@KrisBarocsi wow Kris the mind is in overdrive (😁) now
I have a bc rich warlock that plays well
I’m thinking this could be save up and mod time
Better as a pair for balance ?
Thanks Kris
Hope the Family are all well and keeping you in your toes!!
Fishman Fluence Greg Koch P90s are your dream come true. I have them and highly recommend them. They have a single coil voice in addition to a vintage and hotter output P90 voicing. I'm looking for a Tele like build to put them into now as I am not in love with my current axe that I have them in.
Is it OK if I love them both ? Those P90's have a nasty attitude but I also love the rounded tone of the Tele neck. Give me both 😁
Kris the p90s sound killer
Yes, the sound for which Telecasters are known, as with all electric guitars, comes primarily from the pickups and electronics. Although the wood and the design do influence the sound, for electric instruments, nothing matters more than pickups and electronics. P90s will sound different in a Les Paul than in a Tele, but they will still sound essentially like P90s. P90s in a Tele will not sound anything like a typical Telecaster with Telecaster pickups.
Additionally, I don’t think a Telecaster has any particular “mojo”, it just has a particular sound, which may or may not be what a player is looking for. For me, the Telecaster has never interested me. I don’t like the sound, and I don’t like the look. The only Leo Fender designed guitar I actually like is the Music Man StingRay. And for pickups, my favorites are Seymour Duncan Hot Jaguars, Seymour Duncan Seth Lovers wired in parallel, or Lace Alumitones.
Great intro playing! Wish I could hear that with a full real band.
Thanks a lot Lewis!! Except for the drums which I programmed, it was a “real band”. Well… it was all played by me so not really but you know what I mean. 😅 I make these intro songs because A: I love creating and recording music and B: I want to show the subject of my videos in the environment that matters most -> a band mix. Cheers!
@@KrisBarocsi good job. I meant live with a full band at volume.
@@GraniteSoundtrack 🙌 That’s always best!
I like that the bodies are double bound.
Tele should be as designed with two single coils.......Love your Butterscotch and wins hands down...If you want quality you go with Single coils ......If you want noise you go P-90
Everytime someone says the word P-90, no matter where he/she is in the world, Rhett Shull gets chills.
The smile tells the story.
Both sounded great. But the P90s didn't do the tele thing for sure. Just EQing won't change the core tone enough. I know this as a strat guy that also loves classic LP tones. Nope! You need both guitars.
Pickups + the 25,5" scale length..
What happened with “tone is in the fingers”?
Seriously though… let the guitar sound as it should. I have a P90 equipped telecaster style handmade one of a kind guitar… it is probably the best guitar I’ve ever played but it does not sound like a telecaster in a traditional sense… it’s its own animal and totally awesome.
That said, I have also a Gibson Les Paul Custom with a very special set of P90/Staple. Each pickup has six voicings. Four traditional with references to decades 50s to 80s and two complete different than anything I’ve heard or tried… and the best part… none of the voicings are a compromise on tone. Expensive though, but the stock ones just didn’t do it…
nah. Current comment section meta is "its all pickups". :D
Just the factor of having a rosewood fretboard vs a maple natural fretboard.
it does sound good, but also different to a standard tele
Yeah, right? It has the twang but so much warmer. It’s awesome!
@@KrisBarocsi imho, the perfect guitar to fill the sonic space between a single coil twangy tele and a LP with humbuckers is a bolt-on guitar with P90s
p90 and Tele were made for each other.. try it!
the texas teles give you best of both worlds......
The P90s have a sweet sound on that Tele but I do not find them as expressive and articulate as standard Tele pickups. P90s belong on non-Fender guitars . They work better on an SG. And I've tried them and modified them all. That being said a P90 through an ashtray bridge will give you a supersonic sound. The ashtray is the Tele TM.
another religious tele beleiver
Tele bridge, p90 neck.
Talking about that PU combination… 😉 something is coming up very soon.
Foxy axes from them folks.
P90’s have a magic all there own , I prefer it to single coils.
Today anyway tomorrow my opinion will probably be different.
Sounds cool but not enough twang
P90 is good in any guitar!
Now that is THE spirit! 🙌
I dont agree.
Buy a steinway piano instead.
I've heard better from the cheaper brand SX in their Furrian. The woods in this one aren't very resonant. I wouldn't buy this one unless it was $100 or less... just for the parts.
Same pick? One sounded stiffer😉
Gute Videos, aber ich frage mich die ganze Zeit, ob du einen Dialekt hast, sobald du deutsch sprichst... :D
Auf jeden Fall! Ich spreche erst seit 14 Jahren Deutsch. 😅 Ich bin in 2008 nach DE gezogen und die Sprache gelernt. 🤷♂️ Keine leichte Sache, ich sag’s dir. Haha!
@@KrisBarocsi Achso, ich wusste gar nicht, dass das eine Fremdsprache für dich ist :0 :D Ich dachte du wärst aus Bayern - mit einem ausländischen Nachnamen. :D
I have a tele with p90 on a neck position. Wery good pickup match, beacuse I have that standard tele sound on a bridge, and beefier p90 for jazzy and ratm tones. Best of both worlds. Btw. Those telebans in a comments below. My god, how annoying they are.
I prefer the p90 ones...
Tele is the AK47 of guitars, it does it all! P90s sound great too. I’ll take both….. that will solve any issues!!!
The ash body vs alder alone will bring tone differences in the mix.
Those aren’t P-90’s but they’re similar
I'd throw the P90 neck pup in the garbage. Bridge sounds fine with distortion. Regular Tele sounds better in every respect to my ears.
Sorry, but a telecaster needs a maple neck with a maple fretboard, that is as far as my guitar snobbery goes ;)
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Love p90's but guess what? 99.9% of an audience won't know or hear a difference.
Talking to grannies😅
p90s are sassy and its taking action in whatever emotion is being played
Your playing is sublime which makes up for the awful tone.
P90’s stole the soul of the tele. I can accept that someone could prefer that sound BUT: do not belong to tele.
It's not a Tele with p90s in it.
1.). An Outcaster is not a Telecaster. You may want to rename this video. 2.). Tone comes from the player. You could make a toy guitar sound wonderful.
Nothing against this guitar. It’s not a Tele.
Just from the video I would pick the traditional. The 90s seems to enforce the mids to much. I want some new pickups. Telecaster is over due. Only for Springsteen who can't play. Great video! I will buy an Mexican tele and put in a whammy or bigsby.