Another Deadly Plane Crash! (3 Disasters Explained)
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- Today we will be talking about the deadly plane crash in Philadelphia along with an update on the Potomac mid-air disaster and the Vans RV-10 crash in Fullerton, California.
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Without a doubt, you are the best aviation content creator for this type of analysis. You are so careful to not include anything that is not verified, and when you express an opionion, you very clearly state that is your informed opinion. Your integrity is rare in the TH-cam platform, and greatly appreciated!
Ditto
Nah. Juan Brown is just as great.
Tied with mentor my son flys for the same airlines as Hoover, I told him get me his autograph if he ever sees him 😂😂😂 I already have my sons parents are very proud of their aviator offspring!
Thanks Hoover. I can hear your passion for aviation and your dismay and frustration regarding these senseless accidents. Your commentary is second to none and I love the excellent graphics you supply.
Cheers mate
Please take care of yourself. It is obvious how stressed you are reporting this sad subject and you are a kind, sensitive person that cares about the loss of lives. Hope you are doing things to work on the stress of the tragic part of this. You are doing a great service to the aviation community.
Self care 1st for our Buddy Hoover!!
I think Hoover is going to be ok
@pilotdebrief hoover; thank you for your service and as niece via marriage of a fallen u s a army sgt medic christopher kozlowski ft hood - i became a clinical trauma support specialist and in light of your military service i provide complimentary clinical trauma support for active military and military veterans
I was thinking the same thing. There’s a lot of tragic accidents lately. Take care Hoover!
I think he's just sad. He's seen stress before.
You're a class act Hoover, keeping it factual, trying to understand, and always with compassion for victims and their families. Massive respect to you.
The first one you went over with the Vans RV. The fact that you left out that last radio call shows exactly who you are. I appreciate what you do as do many others. We watch you for this exact reason. We have all heard that last call from other sources and it simply tears our hearts out. Thank you again sir for being professional and respectful. We expect Nothing less from you. Keep them coming !
Well said!
Well said. I heard it once when it first happened. I was not looking forward to hearing it again. Thank you to Hoover.
I haven't heard it and I don't want to. I am so glad there is a channel I can trust not to dwell on upsetting details.
Indeed. We are not here for the macabre.
Hoovie has a heart, thats for sure. The fact that he respects the families that may see his content and he chooses respect over sensationalisation and clicks.....tells me everything I need to know about his character. God bless this man.
As an ex-teacher, I really appreciate the work you put into your presentations. I watch a lot of people looking for their files, pictures etc. Not that it bothers me greatly, anymore, I'm not grading them. But, it does show you live the talk, you talk, you are thoroughly planned, prepared, and ready. Exactly how a pilot should be!
I was a part-time Flight Nurse for 45 years. We always flew dual pilot. I've seen spatial disorientation when operating in IFR conditions with one of the pilots, but NEVER in both pilots at the same time.
And I have had it as the pilot of jets with both of us fighting it.
@@johnkeith2450 That's wild. I was the Safety Officer in Flight Surgeons Office for all squadrons in Carrier Wing Eight (CVW-8) aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) during Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF). I've had pilots who experienced spatial disorientation (usually after aggressive air combat maneuvering), but NEVER had both the Pilot AND their RIO/WSO in the back seat have spatial disorientation at the same time.
This was a check ride so there were probably distractions on the flight deck.
@ I'm confused. How did you determine it was a check ride on the Lear 55? I've always seen checkrides under Part 135.297 done with a third person in the cockpit.
@@PfizerRN_NavyReserveCaptain The helicopter that hit the PSA jet was performing a check ride.
I’m born and raised in Northeast Philly . I witnessed the flash over the night sky when it happened. I’m a regular viewer of this chanel , and never expected an aviation accident for which i’ve both lived thru and witnessed with my own two eyes. Thank you for covering this material. Take care ❤.
Same but I live further down the blvd about 8 min from the crash
Lived at Bustleton and Magee back in 1959-67. Used to transfer buses at Cottman and Bustleton for NEHS.
Can’t even imagine the impact of realizing the trouble the pilot is in, but also the realization of the peril his young daughter faces. There cannot be a more heart wrenching understanding of the gravity of the moment. Especially remembering that going back to readdress the secondary door locking mechanism was something he never got around to. The heart sickness in your voice could not be more palpable.
I bet when Dr Touset was going down in his Bonanza his thoughts were if only he’d not taken two of his children with him.
I'm not a pilot (I have flown with instructors, I'm not licensed) but some of my family were naval aviators and one was a flight test pilot for what became the F-15 and F-18. I don't pretend to know what it takes to fly a any jet anywhere.
What I do know is that very much appreciate what you do, and more specifically, how you do it. I know these videos have to be hard to do sometimes but I'm grateful that you do them.
I'm not even a frequent flier. I'm just a person who enjoys all of your knowledge. Thank you for sharing this with us. As others have said the loss of life is tragic. Blessings to you.
You are thoughtful and knowledgeable, and your assessment of these accidents really are a public service for all of us out here that are avid aviation enthusiasts. Thank you. ❤
You nailed the description of the RV10 door situation. I am a RV10 builder and operator who also completed my build in 2011. The door latching mechanism was found a bit lacking early on; it was possible to actuate the door handles where the door pins would not engage. I found the light system difficult to setup and maintain so I disconnected and ignored my light system and replaced it with a checklist item to visually confirm all 4 door pins were engaged. That is until a service bulletin and repair part kit became available from Vans and alternative solutions became available from 3rd parties. I installed one of the 3rd party solutions which was getting positive reviews from the RV10 communities. The door latching mechanism is no longer a concern but the visual check on all 4 pins remains in my pre-takeoff checklist. In addition, I brief passengers that only, I, the pilot, is permitted to operate the door latches.
TMI but wanted to say, “well done Hoover”.
I'm a Europa builder and operator. Europa is a UK homebuilt with similar door configuration. There have been several door opening (and detachment) mishaps and there have been mandatory modifications by the UK light aircraft association to mitigate this. The latest one was to install a block on the outside of the fuselage next to where the door pins engage so that if you try to latch the door with the latch pin not aligned with the socket you can't push the door close handle fully forward. These modifications in the UK are mandatory,
Wanted to add that this channel speaks so much sense in a world where all sorts of rubbish is published, so thank you Hoover,
😅Great explanation 👍
As a pilot of a single engine fixed wing aircraft, I’ve been watching your videos for the last two years. I regard you as a pilots pilot. I definitely would feel safe flying with you any day. I use your videos to improve my piloting skills. I really like your emphasis on doing the check list out loud. I also like your basic approach to always aviate,navigate and communicate. This approach really keeps things clear. Keep up the wonderful work.
Hoover- Warthog pilot “Mustang” here…. You do a great job; best TH-camr in this category in my opinion. I’ve done a lot of safety work at my airline, in the USAF, and now with a law firm defending pilots. Keep up the excellent work!
Hogs rule!
Hoover - your channel has become like a collective grief counseling and debriefing hub after these tragic incidents as we try to make sense of what happened. First channel many of us turned to. Thank you!!!
Thank you for posting these livestreams for those who miss it live! I really appreciate these videos you do an amazing job!
I’ve been watching for your analysis on these tragedies. Always so good. Thank you for providing the service to the people who want to understand.
I certainly appreciate your care for all concerned in these debriefs. I think all of us as pilots feel your pain in doing these. Thank you.
ditto, your pilot smarts are helping me be a better vehicle driver.
Great comments!! Retired AA Captain here. Flew in and out of DCA 1976-2002. Your discussion on 3° approach, Hit the nail on the head.
Amazing there was not a conflict and accident before with choppers.
I didn’t look at any articles or anything on social media about these because I knew you’d be able to explain it way better. The amount of misinformation being thrown around is crazy!
You keep mentioning that the helicopter "lost sight" of the crj, but i think another explanation is that they had sight of a different crj, they thought tower was referring to _that_ aircraft, and they never had sight of the conflicting crj in the first place
This is the only channel I come to get credible information. As soon as this happened, I knew the videos were coming, claiming to know more than everybody else.
Blancolirio is also a good channel for facts without a bunch of speculation.
Yep. Hoover is very credible. When he’s speculating/opining, he’ll clearly state so and indicate what additional information is needed or what NTSB will be looking at. I definitely do appreciate his opinions.
I hear your frustration on the mid air collision brother. I share that sentiment. This really should have been prevented. Maintaining visual separation at night in such a highly trafficked air space with fast moving aircraft seems impossible for even the most experienced of pilots. Not to mention we have vector guidance for a reason. I can imagine this takes a toll on you to analyze over and over again, but I speak for all of us aviators in saying “thank you.” Your work helps us be better, keeps us sober to the consequences of a millisecond of decision making lapse and preparation, and keeps us safe. Thank you for your work.
You are providing a great service to those of us who need the rundown in a technical way, not as a media frenzy. It may be stressful but you are doing a great amount of good, Hoover.
Hoover, you provide such an amazing and excellent service to all pilots and non-pilots.
These two incidents obviously have caused you great stress. I think if you go back and watch the video you will see your pain in your face and in your sighing.
Thank you for all you do! Keep well.
I was the Safety Officer in Flight Surgeons Office for all squadrons in Carrier Wing Eight (CVW-8) aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) during Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF). I've had pilots who experienced spatial disorientation, BUT NEVER had both the Pilot AND the RIO/WSO in the back seat have spatial disorientation at the same time.
They're not flying the plane.
I’m not a pilot, but I like listening to your intakes on pilot accidents. I have learned many things during your debriefs. You do an amazing job describing what happened, but also just as important the lessons we can take away from it-thanks for all that you do,
Was waiting for your take on the Philadelphia crash. Your assessment of any of these situations is the most intelligent out there.
👍👍👍
Idk, I personally prefer Petter on Mentour Pilot, but I just think he explains complicated engineering concepts so even I can understand.
Plus love his reenactment and how he doesn’t sensationalize the accidents like so many others. When everyone else was blaming the pilots on the 747MAX flights he was admitted believing it was pilot error but he made a mistake. Super rare to find someone who openly admits that they were wrong these days.
Sadly this my 1st time on your site. Been in the industry for 20+ yrs = intelligent breakdown useful to NTSB considerations...
With all the aviation insanity flying through the airwaves right now I am so grateful for your voice of calm, reasoned sanity and objectivity. Thank you so much!
Your content is second to none! As a Gulfstream pilot always looking to improve, I’m grateful for what you do.
🦘🇦🇺 Thanks Hoover. You’ve lifted the bar again. Such sensitivity with clarity & detail. What you present is really hard to retain objectivity but you have the gift of cutting through speculation allowing a clear logical journey to probability. Greatly appreciated in this world of unbridled speculation. 🙏
Thanks Hoove, for keeping it real and sticking to the truth. There are a lot of people hurting out there, after these events.
Thanks for the clarity and objective review of these tragedies. Thanks for being so very respectful of those who are involved. I appreciate your coverage and views and have learned so much watching you. You are Good People. Thanks!❤
You're good guy Hoover. Go ahead and say it: no more helicopters maneuvering anywhere near approach/departure paths for commercial airliners. My father and uncle were WWII US Army Corps, my father became career USAF. My brother, USAF, and I, US Army, are veterans. Soldiers are as human as anyone, and they make mistakes.
Hello Pilot Debrief, thank you for the work you do on your explanations. This whole thing reminds me of a 1986 CNN interview with Richard Feynman about six months after the space shuttle Challenger disaster: He essentially said that there were warning signs leading up to the space shuttle explosion and he (Feynman) compared it to a child who runs across a busy road without looking and is warned by his parents how dangerous that is. The child does this several times, and although hears some brakes squealing and some cars swerve to miss him at the last second, he never actually gets hit. So, the kid, despite warnings and the close calls, gets into the idea that since he hasn't been hit yet, that he never will. Until one day the luck runs out.
I agree Melk. It appears that this was an accident waiting to happen
I agree. It was shocking how casual PAT25 was about requesting and accepting responsibility for maintaining separation from aircraft from ATC when the conditions don’t seem realistic for this to be possible…but it’s worked enough times it no longer seems dangerous.
Same thing the VANs; he flew without the secondary door safeties for so long without incident that he probably forgot they weren’t there.
Very sad and Hoover’s work reminds us how unforgiving aviation is of mistakes.
Former Marine A6 driver here. Pretty clear PAT25 is going to take most of the blame, but I do have a gripe with the controller's advisory. He didn't give a position reference and I think should have, especially in a crowded corridor. He should have said, "do you have the CRJ your 11 o-clock and 1/2 mile." If the helo was mistaking a different aircraft it would have likely alerted them to the situation.
Fair, that would have been better. But in the controllers defense, they were understaffed and we should have a policy that allows diverting or delaying in these situations to manage controller workload. Basically, being understaffed should be handled similarly to bad weather.
If it was wrong for ATC to agree visual separation it was wrong for the pilot to request it. See and avoid is never going to be a robust system, especially at night.
I admire your knowledge and expertise…I’m not a pilot…a 72yo retired RN…but I searched for your video on these tragedies for accurate and understandable explanation…thank you Hoover
Clinical lab here and ditto, plus I've commented more than once his thinking about the plan has helped me to perform more thoughtfully as a senior motorist.
Hoover was/is a military pilot. A very skilled, and passionate man. It’s incredible to me the amount of effort he puts into these videos. It seemed like this one being rather off the cuff may have somewhat disrupted his flow a little or made him nervous which is understandable. This many unrelated crashes in rapid succession is to my knowledge unprecedented. There is no telling what the NTSB, and FAA will impose in response to this, and it could lead to changes in the aviation industry the likes of which we’ve never seen. This man does a lot, and absolutely deserves respect for his work.
Another retired RN. I appreciate your explanations and sensitivity
This one really touched me... ❤ Hoover, seeing you so concerned shows how much you care about people and your work. 🙏✨ I’ve seen so much nonsense on social media about this accident that it was honestly sickening. 🤢 Thank you, Hoover, for the great work-truly the best channel on the subject! 👏🔥
You're awesome at accident commentary, Hoover. Big thumbs up!
Respect to Hoover for being the best in the business
During my last recurrent training we did a session with a runaway trim issue at low level. We crashed. Our sim session was almost exactly like the med jet profile. If the pilot took off his autopilot at a low level with a runaway trim with high speed the aircraft would pitch straight down. Not enough time to pull the pitch trim breaker and recover.
wow!
Excellent job Hoover, you and folks like Juan Browne and Petter really do a great job breaking down the details. Thank you and always appreciate your careful analysis of these tragic events.
I think of a jet vs. a helo crossing the same way as a train crossing. The train can't stop, but the vehicles can and do just like a helo can hover in place while a jet in the air can't.
Man, thanks a lot for the info. I've been binging your videos for over a year, and I can see how frustrating and difficult it can be to go over these details. I really appreciate how you do it professionally and with the utmost respect for the victims. Greetings from Monterrey, Mexico.
You did a fantastic (and very difficult) job here Hoover!! You’re so very good at this and, just as important, you’re a kind, caring person. Thank you so very much. I’ve waited to hear from you above all. ❤
Hoover I hear in your voice this really does pain you to have to describe these accidents. I really appreciate how you put your heart into these videos and try and make sense of the cause of these tragedies. I hope you are aware you are helping save lives. All my colleagues who are pilots go straight to your videos and discuss your videos and try to be better pilots. It takes a toll on your heart but it really can save lives talking about these tragedies. God bless and greetings from Canada. Take care
I don't understand why the fatalities on the ground get so little attention in comparison to the fatalities of the souls on board the plane. In Philly, a man died when his car was hit with debris. His death is every bit as tragic as the 6 on the plane.
It’s so sad that this plane was carrying a sick little girl and her mother. It a tragedy and sad that everyone died. But the little girl that was sick and was flying to a hospital for care, and she died with her mom. I feel so bad for the father and husband of these two. That would be so hard to have to go through.
The one thing is the NTSB did say though, is that the helicopter pilot could hear the tower talking to the CRJ in realtime. Tower was broadcasting on both frequencies at the same time. So the helicopter should've known the CRJ wAS stepping over to shoot an approach on runway 33.
The day before the DC crash we were coming into SeaTac at night. For some reason I was fixated on the thought of another aircraft slamming into us and sending our jet into Puget Sound. Just a very unsettling feeling.
The day of this crash I just happened to be outside and hear a helicopter, I had the urge to film it as a UFO joke. As I filmed it I looked at it and seen no markings and thought it could be a Blackhawk. I since verified this with on flight radar. Just odd because of the timing and the urge to film it. It's flight path was doing a big loop from a mountain top with nothing in it according to Google maps and to a national guard training facility near the West Coast.
Something is going on and i think it's obviously related to a certain email shawn Ryan shared among other topics as well.
Esp is a real thing, it's not a coincidence. Someone else predicted the 2 crashes pretty much to a T, just 2 days before it happened in tiktok
@@hopperbopperlink
@@hopperbopper There 2 people that predicted it on TikTok, one was an irish woman and the other was a Mexican woman who predicted it 1 week earlier. Even the date was accurate, she even describe a mid air collision which would end up in a sea. She mentioned she dreamt a person's decapitated hand was floating on the water. Very graphic yet accurate prediction.
With all the near misses (and now non-misses/crashes) that are coming to light, it becomes very arguable that aviation safety isn’t anywhere it needs to be.
It's todays work ethic. It's infected everything including crucial services. We knew this would eventually come.
None of the media outlets are ready or willing to acknowledge that elephant in the room.
I'm not American, but it seems to me that you are very lax when it comes to enforce the safety laws. It seems that any average Joe can have a license. Your road death toll is an indicative of this also.
Thanks for taking an incredible amount of time to put this video together & such an extraordinary amount of time in explaining it to all of us civilians
As sad and heartbreaking as these disasters were, ISO appreciate your time explanation of everything. It really helps when you try to put the pieces together. Thank you so much❤
My go to channel for all things flight, thanks for making things understandable for your non aviator, strictly passenger viewers
I hear your pain. Absolutely heartbreaking. So much tragedy. So much loss and sadness. Love and healing to the families, friends, and communities left behind. ❤🇨🇦
Thank you, Canada. 🇺🇸❤️🇨🇦
Thank you for your extensive knowledge and detailed explanation for those of us with limited expertise in this area.
It really looks like that Washington helicopter route #4 is/was an accident waiting to happen due to the thin margin between the route ceiling and the RWY 33 approach path.
transgendered pilot.
You are SUCH a gift to all who just want truth, heart, empathy and a tone of experience. You are winning at life
Hoover, It's been a horrible week and I can see this is weighing heavy on your heart 💔. Make sure YOU take the time for yourself.
Thanks Again my friend
He sounds so distraught...which is understandable, but a bit worrisome. I🙏 he is okay. Tku for sharing your expertise but take care of yourself too.
This was a tough video to do and I can tell it's affecting you. We really appreciate the analysis. I learn so much from you and other analyst
Bar none best aviation mishap analysis's on youtube (or most likely anything else). Thanks for what you do and how much you care.
Thank you for the more detailed analysis on these three incidents, Hoover. None of these have to be easy to analyze much less discuss, given the magnitude of the tragedies involved.
You scared me for a minute there with your title ... the old superstition that crashes come in threes. But you did your typical thorough job on updating us on all three of these heartbreaking incidents. Thanks!
Lol. I don't fly or drive on Friday the 13th. Not because I'm superstitious but because other people are and it has a very real impact on their focus and confidence level.
@@Lurch-BotBeing superstitious brings bad luck…
The sighs say it all. Keep up the good work. I know it's hard, but as a pilot, I truly appreciate your thoughtful and detailed analysis if these incidents. Thank you for everything you do.
Your investigative reporting is extraordinary, sensitively done, full of kindness and compassion, wisdom, insight and proven experience, your authenticity and integrity in putting together your observations. Thank you for the generous amount of time you give to educate. The depth of emotions and empathy you feel for these three tragedies is not lost on your viewers. Humanity has grown afraid of publicly showing heartfelt emotions, sadness and/or grief responses to tragedies and loss. Thank you for sharing with us what these tragedies meant to you. Thank you also for the calm you bring to your reporting. You are surely providing a tremendous service to humanity. Keep taking care of you. 🤎✨
38:30 I suspect the finding will not be that the heli "lost" visibilty of the CRJ, but that the heli was looking at the other CRJ behind it the whole time. They probably never had visibility to begin with. Anyone who has ever been a passenger flying into that airport at night knows that there is a crazy amount of light everywhere.
I believe that the NTSB has reported today or late yesterday that the heli was too high by about 100 ft or so. Don’t trust my memory though. It was a quick read because it popped up and I was going to read something else
Thanks for taking the time to post this and answer questions!
I'm watching a few hours after the stream dropped. I have the utmost respect and appreciation for what you've achieved and what you do, BUT, it breaks my heart every single time I push the thumbs up to like these videos. I do, and will continue to like your videos, as much as it is so devastating the reason we must watch them.
Thank you Hoover.
Thank you so much for your excellent experience explaining the details. I appreciate your time and attention ❤
It’s been a really tough week in 🇺🇸 and I didn’t even know anyone or any victims. I’m praying for them and their families. 💔, thank you for your work De-brief 🤙🏼
Hoover, please take a break brother. You can not continue to give info which we all learn from if you continue to immerse yourself in these tragedies without a vacation. You've earned it buddy. Take a month if needed. Your no good to anyone if you burn yourself out. Prayers to you my friend.
How do you manage to cover three crashes simultaneously?! Terrific job!
Good job Hoover on pilotsplaining things. I am a flight instructor since 1979.
This is the one channel I come to when I want sound analysis based on the amount of data being presented. I see the stress this causes as it is clear Hoover refuses to jump to conclusions while these horrific visuals unfold. Thanks, Hoover.
and he's getting over a congestive chest, we all wish Trevor well, hope he feels back to his normal self soon, is able to enjoy his family while keeping genuinely informed, heart cha Hoover.
Thanks!
Hoover, I watched the NTSB investigator news conference. While he was speaking, he mentioned "swiss cheese." Thanks to watching you, I knew what he was talking about.
Last night's NTSB briefing from DC was heartbreaking. To hear the Investigator begging for the previous NTSB Suggestions to be adopted (300+ iirc) was so hard to believe. As he said, those suggestions are written in blood and sorrow and meant to prevent future tragedies.
This new regime is meant to create future tragedies.
Thank you for helping us to understand these tragic. It is sad and very stressful watching people suffering. Can’t imagine the people at that scary moment. Sad to see all these individuals disappear just like that. May peace be with them and their families. May peace be with you and all the aviation profession. Can’t imagine what you guys are going through and the stress level bringing upon you guys. Great job covering these. Thank you!
If the controller was unhappy with the separation "Pat25 Hold in position or stop" I worked at ORD Tower and worked many helicopters across the field or traffic helicopters.
Hoover, I haven't heard anyone talk about this: What is the alternative to visual separation? If Blackhawk pilot declines visual separation, does the tower then give the pilot heading and altitude to fly? Maybe what should come out of this accident is, visual separation should not be permitted at night, in the vicinity of a city, near busy airports, because it's very difficult to discern and avoid aircraft with so many lights around, and a pilot's depth perception is reduced after dark. 🤷😳🛫🛩️
ATC should actively hold or vector the helicopter around the traffic. Visual separation is only a bonus.
Spot on Hoover... wrt the DC incident, at the end of the day, the procedures in place allowed the two aircraft to arrive at the same bit of airspace at the same time. There was absolutely no room for error. This is why we have procedures, to mitigate those risks and I hope the investigation highlights this as the MAIN factor contributing to the accident. Pilots make mistakes, this is why we have these procedures and SOP's prevent a threat becoming an accident.
As for the RV10 accident, when I was a low time new CPL holder, I almost drove a B58 Baron into the ground on a dark moonless night after having the door pop on takeoff. 30 years later it still gives me shivers thinking about it. Thankfully. that's where I truely learnt the meaning of "aviate, navigate, communicate" and it's served me well in the last 3 decades of airline flying...😔
has it been confirmed if ATC at the time was a DEI hire? That might be the ultimate root cause
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@@puzzlite bruh
Thanks for you showing us this with such professionalism. Thanks again, you’re my go to guy.
I was waiting for these reviews from your advanced point of view.
Thanks Hoover. Your presentation was very informative. As someone who is not involved in aviation at all, you make these situations easy for me to understand. I also thank you for not getting into baseless speculation. You state the facts that you have, combine that with your knowledge and experience and provide the best analysis you can. You do all of this while making sure listener understands that this is still very early days in all of these investigations.
Thank you for this.
I'm not an emotional guy, but i went out of my way to find that last transmission & i completely understand why you didn't add it here.
what was said?
@@beezymeech It's the cadence and silence and then reporting and confirming the reality the ships are down.
Yeah that was heart breaking. Poor souls.
@@beezymeech A hyperventilating, omg, and crash.
@@GoliathFish75where did you find it?
47 year old Lear Jet, you can only bend a paperclip so many times. Keep up the good work Hoover.
Scary and terrifying.The horror.
I’m not a pilot, not ever been in the military but I love how you always refer back to your procedures and training you received while flying during your service. Like the story of how when you were disoriented you would immediately notify your crew member so he can provide audible callouts of what he’s perceiving right now until your brain is able to, as you put it “catch up.” Which is something just really devoid of any egos or anything extra. Which brings me to why I love how you bring up said stories or training because the military procedures and doctrine really seem to revolve around nothing but what “works.” Like there aren’t procedures in place solely for someone’s ego trip or to save face. Everything that you’re trained to do is the way it is because it “works” and has been working that way. If something doesn’t “work” it’s changed. Which to think about all the pioneers before us that had to learn all these things the hard way and have put such procedures in place that are followed to this day. Like imagine a WW2 fighter pilot in dogfights and how easily they could end up spatially disoriented. So they probably relied on a wingman or gunner to help them in such cases. Just really cool to see something so simple and utilitarian as your crew member calling out what he’s perceiving solely for you to regain your awareness of the situation.
1000 thumbs up. You're the best. You give great information. I wish you could report on the news and give better information than the news gives
Boy you sound overwhelmed about the collision, I don't blame you, I believe the air traffic controller should have told the Heli after asking him the 2nd time. do u see the CRJ do you see the incoming plane ( I don't believe he see's the one I'm talking about ) Pat 25 hold your position, hover where you are until I give you further instructions.😮
Thank you for the indepth analysis of recent accidents. The one that boggled my mind was the military helicopter vs AA5342 and your explanation of flight paths and altitude min and max was very helpful. All accidents are very sad and I hope we learn from all of them!
I am shocked that a busy airport would allow any helicopter to navigate by sight at night. especially since their mobility of being able to go up and down is sharp and immediate.
It was a woman helicopter pilot.
@@evanschulz7375…and?
@@evanschulz7375The pilot was Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Eaves who had over 1000 hours of flight time.
And woman or man is completely irrelevant.
@@jaycareaga9929the pilot was Rebecca Lobach. Eaves was the instructor pilot. But yeah, male or female is irrelevant.
@@mkdmlsIt is irrelevant but the narrative that some people are already pushing is that she was made a pilot just because they needed to meet some "woman quota".
Thanks Hoover! I’ve been flying for 33 years and am dumbfounded by the Lear 55 accident. I’m not buying the disorientation right now. These guys flew all the time and certainly encountered IMC all the time in various high workload environments and this wasn’t high workload. Climbing out and making a 40 degree turn is as easy as it gets. We’ll see….i used to fly the old Lears and the YD malfunction could have teeth. Inadvertent TR deployment? At 200 knots that would cripple the airplane. Just spit balling. So sad, thanks again for the video, always appreciate your valuable input
I agree with you that it is probably not SD. I fly a CJ1 and in my last recurrent session at flight safety this past November, my instructor set the same situation up. Low level, normal speed, with autopilot on. He failed the runway trim down. As soon as we released the autopilot, the sim took a very sharp nose down attitude, as recall about 70 degree nose down. We came out of the clouds and then the whole screen went red. Crashed. Climbing out, they would have been engaging the auto pilot, if they sensed runaway trim, they could have disengaged the autopilot off. If the trim was in the full nose down position when this happen, nose would have gone sharply down. In IMC and limited altitude, the dive would have been unrecoverable. It was for us in the sim. The next day we ran the same scenario and better results with a minor change in procedures. One last thing. My sim partner was based in Mexico. The flight safety guys know their stuff. As light jet pilot, I will be anxious to read the final report.
Did anyone else see the part where there was a Helo near miss at DCA nearly identical about 24 hours earlier ? I am thinking these controllers get numb to the volume and advisories beeping on their screens. I get the feeling it just happens every shift.
I wonder if the incoming airline pilots aren’t as aware of the danger is the ATC’s
Complacency is something that can affect all of us. It’s even more of a struggle when it’s coming from the top down.
In this incident, the controller informed the helicopter (PAT 25) that flew in VFR twice about the traffic. Both times, the helicopter crew confirmed it. In my opinion, you can't blame the controller at all.
That was not a near miss of the recent posts are accurate. 1000 ft separation
@@ajswiss - I could see the NTSB finding that the controller’s failure to advise the CRJ of the helicopter traffic as a contributing factor.
A long time helicopter pilot who's flown through the area many times, said that ATC usually holds or slows down helicopters so they stay short of traffic landing on 33. They don't allow visual separation.
They did in this case
Thx for the great coverage Hoover. Simply tragic and sad. First question in my mind was, why are helicopters running manoeuvres on cross pathway to one of the most critical landing pathways in the nation? To me this is criminal! It’s like using landing planes and people as crash, test dummies. Absolutely insane. It was only a matter of time. There should be no conflicts like this thrown at pilots who have lives in their hands, and in a space with super critical margins. So sad. Thank you again. You brought a lot of light to the matter. Hope someone in charge pays attention!
The fact that no such tragedy happened before the female DEI helo pilot flying committed murder in the skies over the Potomac River tells us about the tremendous skill of the other helo pilots flying those PAT missions in that route.
She was politically connected as a guide/aide in Biden's White House, and they took 3 days before announcing her as the last crew member of the helo to give them enough time to scrub her internet & social media footprint.
Thanks, Hoover, for so generously sharing your expertise with us. Your meticulously researched analyses always help us understand these tragic events better.
I remember and will never forget when my pop had me up in a Cherokee in probably 1978 or 9. The door next to me kept flying open. Yeah you would think the airflow itself would keep it closed but NO! I still remember my dad leaning over me and slamming the door shut, but it just kept opening. That was the only time I felt even a little bit frightened in a plane. I was 7 or 8 years old at the time and needless to say, that flight was cut short. I absolutely always loved flying, but because I have an eye disease called retinitis pigmentosa. My dreams of flying were dashed. I commented about the door because when you were talking about the doors, it brought up that memory. My dad quit flying in the early 80s and the last time I was up in a single prop was when I was 12. My dad's friend from work had a 40's Piper Cub. Wood and canvas taking off and landing on grass was like going back in time.
THE DOORS, of course, deeply important, deadly if not attended to.
It seems mind-boggling to me that you can build an aircraft as an amateur construction, but apparently nobody then inspects it to confirm that you have done basic stuff like fitting the door catches correctly. What if you skimp on engine mountings or tack on the control surfaces with self-tapping screws and contact adhesive?
Great reporting as always. Your channel is the way it should be done. I used to live in NE Philly and got my pilot’s certificate out of KPNE. Tragic loss of lives in all of these crashes.