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I agree. Bonnie is missing really because of Burntrap/Vanny. Question is though, if Monty had been functioning properly before being tweaked, would there even have been any jealousy to work with? Perhaps the personality flaws the animatronics have are all glitchs after Glitchtrap hacked them one at a time. I doubt with his relatively new abilities he could have just taken over the whole network and all connected through it at once. Monty having anger issues could have just been a lucky coincidence for Vanny. I do believe they planned something, but doubt they could have the foresight to know how exactly it would work out.
I agree that Foxy was planned as an upcoming attraction, that's the only way to make sense of his absence while accounting for there being no 'where did Foxy go?' messages in the logs. I mostly agree with your Bonnie conclusion too. My two most likely scenarios are that either Vanny sabotaged Bonnie and staged it to look like Monty was responsible like you said, or that Monty was hijacked by Glitchtrap and forced to attack Bonnie directly.
My theory on Reddit and the RyeToast Discord about it focused on 3 key facts: 1- Why Bonnie would have left his Green Room 2- Where he would have gone based on different motives 3- Who were the possible suspects and why they may or may not have been willing and able to harm Bonnie. I found an interesting thing that people keep overlooking. Monty DID NOT HAVE his claws back then, but Bonnie DID HAVE CLAWS. We're told by the game that they're essential for any Glamrock to play bass, so we know Bonnie had claws and Monty did not. Also, the walk from Bonnie's Green Room, according to the message Missing, took 2 hours 16 minutes, but when I tested it, I found a Glamrock could walk it in about 12 minutes. So either we have the wrong arrival time, in which case, if the arrival time's wrong, what else in those movements is wrong? Or we have over 2 hours of Bonnie's activities and movements unaccounted for. Where was Bonnie during that time and what was he doing? The message does not say, so if it skipped that, what else did it skip? Did Bonnie enter and leave Monty Golf safely and went somewhere else and died there? Did Bonnie go to Monty Golf at a different time then the message indicates? Did he even go there at all? Given this, Missing is a paradox, for any possibility to be true, another must be false, and therefore the whole message is suspect and can't be relied upon as evidence. It's been tampered with but the tampering left a logic trap that would reveal the tampering upon any level of scrutiny beyond just blindly accepting it as immutable law that can't possibly be anything other then true.
Tbh I think Foxy might of been a plan to put in security breach, because if you go in kids cove and see where you would go down the slide at the top of the light house, there is a door up there. It could have been a plan for Foxy to slide down and then chase us around, and probably a plan for the kids so they can go on the slide too. ;-; Sorry this is a random response...
Chica shouldn't want to eat so much. I feel like Chica's behavior should be a hint about the Glamrock series and how they work. Monty is aggressive in private AND public; it isn't an "act"/scripted behavior, or else why would he do it while off-stage by himself? Chica eating anything off the ground, including rotten food isn't endearing; it's off-putting and it's something she does (again) while no one is looking. Roxy talking to herself, again, alone with no guests around, contributes nothing to their collective "performance". And Freddy; he's too empathetic for a robot. Freddy caring/missing Bonnie (again) adds nothing to his persona for the purpose of interacting with guests. Why does Freddy care so much? Why are the Glamrocks so emotional and expressive in ways that are not there strictly for stage purposes? None of this seems like programed behavior. Perhaps it's the extension of something programed in; perhaps Chica was "told" to like eating pizza way too much; but maybe to a robot Pizza extends to all food and all food extends to all things that fit into the category of food even if it is in an inedible state? Given how Security Breach was a mess behind the scenes, I think the only way to make sense of the story is to try to pick up the dropped (but still there) plot threads and ask how they were suppose to connect. The Glamrocks are very unique, the same way the Funtimes are unique and the Toys are unique. Often each "set" is literally programed and built differently to contain functions not shared across any past or future sets of robots. So what are the things that we can name that define the Glamrocks as their own unique traits? Is being emotional their "thing" and how is that derived from computer programing? Or is the point it shouldn't be possible?
I think in the endo area it shows how they were “teaching” the endos how to act, and I use quotation marks cause it’s poor at best and basically abuse at worst. If they were basically giving the endos new born minds and then locking them in a box I’d assume that all of their robots would be messed up mentally. So any traits they were taught were “for them”, could be amplified to extremes, like monty’s aggression and Chica’s gluttony
Well we've seen in the fnaf universe not just in the games but the books that it would seem inanimate objects can have spirits or curses attached to them. In the real world there are entire museums of objects people believe have their own souls in addition to the ones those objects caused harm. I always liked the idea that in fnaf when you make an animatronic it is alive to an extent we see this with the existence of remnant and with things like balloon boy, and bellora's minis that idealistically wouldn't have souls attached to them specifically but, a soul could easily attach itself to something around them that allows their existing life to be a bit stronger. Kind of a night of the museum effect. Which is kind of the same logic fnaf runs on. I mean in night of the museum 1 we never saw things like bobble heads and T-shirts come to life and we didn't know that you could literally walk into paintings but, in the sequel we see that's absolutely possible with the tablets rules being so vague. Fnaf has that kind of magic system if we're using writer's terms that you can allow ideas like the animatronics by themselves having a sort of Small Soldiers style sentience even without the kids attached. Though I don't think this is factual it's more just something I use for fun when writing fanfics and I think it would be fun to play with if the franchise ever got like a cartoon or comic series.
@@royalhydra9790 This would be fantastic to play with as a What If fanfiction type of thing. The idea of what this place would be if afton wasn't in the basement at all. If the fire before actually worked if the company would have unknowingly created a whole new kind of tragedy with these endos. We already have the appearance of a endo uprising in the Bonnie Golf easter egg. Could you imagine of Gregory never came to the pizzaria, if afton wasn't there but they still kept tormenting these robots that they don't realize have feelings? It's like something out of Small Soldiers.
I like the idea of Foxy possibly being added in later. Because it really gives Roxy something to worry about. She would know everybody loves Foxy. And she's already got issues with her self worth. Psyching herself up and saying everybody loves her. She's scared the guests won't like her anymore if Foxy shows up.
Her insecurities are possibly because of Foxy, she’s worried that she won’t be enough to fill foxy’s shoes. She also probably faced backlash from customers(such as children and angry parents) who were major fans of the iconic pirate fox
a detail that was left out (another person noticed this, not me): there's a security log saying that Monty was given claws to better play the bass. This would imply that glam rock Bonnie had claws since he was the bass player before Monty. And what does burntrap has? claws. he and Monty are the only animatronics to have them
I wholeheartedly agree with these theories! Glad to know I’m not the only one who believes Monty was framed! Vanny needed to do anything and everything so as to not cause suspicion and keep people off her scent. And adding Foxy down the line as part of a future expansion? It makes sense. Theme parks go through a similar process when they want to expand either the park’s physical space or interactivity of certain park elements.
I always thought Foxy’s endoskeleton was used for Roxy? I’m not sure about the specifics (I’m not a great theorist lol) but the eyes, the similar physical features (aside from hair and colours there’s not a big difference between a fox and a wolf animatronic) and the companies reputation for fixing things up and reusing them. I think it’d also be interesting as to why she has self esteem issues, it’s like she’s literally trying to be something that she isn’t, a wolf. Again it’s not loads of evidence, and your theory does make sense, especially bc they wouldn’t use the exact same designs for glam rock foxy as they would the OG or Funtime foxy
See that's what I was thinking too, but my thoughts come down to why? There are a lot of similarities between foxy and Roxy but other than that there's no real reason why they'd reuse foxy to make a wholly new animatronic
Not like they don't have a record of similar with Foxy -> Mangle instead of a funtime foxy. Could just be branding or marketing. Pirates don't exactly fit the retro aesthetic they're going for afterall.
@@RyeToast That and Foxy would have a male endo and Roxy has a female endo, which are clearly different sizes and shapes, with the male ones being a bit taller, and have broader shoulders and a deeper torso then the female ones.
I believe the theory of them just wanting to have the main four be two guy characters and two girl characters Bonnie already replaced by a cooler image and Foxy? well seems they decided a femal Foxy would be weird and just wanted a new character
A theory I always carried in regards to Bonnie's disappearance was that the STAFF bots were the one's to do him in, but because this happened in Monty Golf, Monty saw everything. This in turn caused Monty's previous temper to flare a lot, especially towards the Staff Bots (as seen in his room). The only downside to Bonnie being used to fix Peepaw Willie, is that there weren't any distinct elements of Bonnie in the design which could give us an angsty moment of Freddy realizing where his friend went. Basically I wish it was angstier than we got lol.
Here's the thing I don't get: they confirm through Vanessa dialogue that they can literally just slap any character casing onto any animatronic and it will give you the same character. Are we seriously going to believe that they don't have ANY additional casing to replace on animatronics if parts get damaged? Go back to 1987 and we're led to believe that The Mangle was literally caused by children pulling the animatronic apart, so you'd have a hard time convincing me that Fazbear Entertainment multiple decades later didn't account for the possibility of someone kicking Monty in the shins with a steel toe boot. Simply put- it makes me think there's some OTHER reason why Bonnie must not be present. Maybe whatever it was Bonnie did had scared some kids, like they may have found him crushed by the Monty bucket and freaked out, and so they basically said "Ah, welp. Gotta do something to move FAR AWAY from this PR disaster"
That's a good point honestly. Like maybe when they first started abducting kids they used Bonnie, but one day he got caught so they blamed the animatronic
I totally forgot about that. Unless Bonnie was SPECIFICALLY unique to the other animatronics they could have did another casing for him and bring him back. The mystery as to why he's gone is so bizarre.
@@Staurcomb I wonder if Vanessa's threat wasn't actually sanctioned by the company. Keep in mind that, for some reason, Mike has somehow come into possession of Freddy. Why is this the case? Was this orchestrated by someone in Freddy's? If Freddy's casing was stuck on a different endo, I doubt Michael would carry with it. This means that at the very least Freddy hasn't been replaced since Michael possessed him, which is implied to have been quite a while before. Given Freddy is the main animatronic, it's safe to assume that if anyone's endo got replaced it'd be his. But it hasn't been. There's potentially a reason there as to why they don't have spare casing.
I got some great points about the time line from this. Your comments on Bonnie's disappearance being recent are interesting. There is a clue that you, like just about everyone else who talks about the Bonnie-Monty connection seems to miss. "Monty Mischief ERRENT BEHAVIOR REPORT - Monty didn't show up for the Main State performance again. We found him in the same place we always do, the catwalks over Monty Golf. We can't have a repeat of last month. Someone hit a hole in one and the Hurricane bucket knocked him down. Both legs were broken and required emergency Parts and Service work." That implies at least a couple of months between whatever happened to Bonnie and the events of SB. As for Freddy's deep, emotional response and unwillingness to confront Bonnie's loss, we see evidence many in the company don't treat the Glamrock like AIs with emotions and possible sentience. No, they treat them like normal, uncaring robots, little better then STAFF bots. They're still not publicly acknowledging the loss of Bonnie by the time of SB. Would they have enough regard for the Glamrocks to have let them hold any sort of memorial service or given them any time off for bereavement? Not likely. Hell, they don't even treat their fully human staff much better then the STAFF bots. It's likely that such treatment would prolong grief, and promote more unhealthy reactions to it in the 4 surviving Glamrocks. We see notes telling us their behavior is deteriorating over recent time. One of the notes even addresses Monty specifically, that he's gradually becoming more aggressive and anti social.
That's a fair point, I guess I just assumed it happened recently because Bonnie bowling was still pretty Bonnie reliant thematically yet they seem to be trying to explain him out of it. That's a good reason for why Monty would be aggressive afterwards. I hadn't considered that theory you posted for the cause because I agree with you that Monty didn't do it on his own volition. But I didn't consider the repercussions
@@Seriously_Unserious Frankly I did a faulty search. I was looking for notes about Bonnie, instead of notes about related parties. Therefore I simply forgot about the note
@@RyeToast That's probably why that one gets missed. It's a note about Monty specifically. When I did my Bonnie theory and was examining the Monty part of it, I focussed on Monty lore I could find in the game so that note came up and gives solid evidence Monty's not happy with either being in the band, or the way he ended up in the band.
This seems the most likely, and it explains why animatronics like Roxanne and Chica seem to have deep problems that weren’t addressed in the game. Maybe Roxanne’s self esteem is so low because she is constantly afraid that she will be replaced like Bonnie was. She needs to reassure herself that she is better than the others and won’t be replaced for a while. And Chica started eating a lot because she it made her feel happy. Bonus: I think the reason why Chica rushed to Freddy’s aid when he failed during the performance was because she is scarred by the loss of Bonnie and was concerned about Freddy and if he would be okay.
The bonnie theory is proven even more by the replaced arm you mentioned. The arm that scraptrap had missing that got replaced has the same kind of claws as monty, which is stated in a different maintenance log that he needed them so he could "play the bass better" and because bonnie was the bass player before monty, he would've needed the same kind of claws to pluck the strings.
I’ve always believed that Bonnie was used to Repair William, and that fact also explained why he was in a Recharge Booth. I also agree that Foxy was never on site, but never thought about them preparing to bring him in.
Monty might’ve never wanted to harm any of the members of the band to begin with, there’s another message that says that he’s missed ANOTHER show and they found him where they *always* find him: the catwalk in gator golf. In that same message it even says that he got hit by the hurricane hole in one bucket and they had to rush repair him(which honestly could also explain why he’s so aggressive for an animatronic meant to be around kids, maybe they didn’t fully check to make sure everything was in working order in regards to his personality programing when they prioritized the physical aspect for a rush repair job), if he genuinely went to the lengths of harming another animatronic just to be in the band then why is he missing so many shows? It could either be that he remembers being made to attack Bonnie and he feels immense guilt over it OR perhaps him and Bonnie were hanging out on the catwalk that fateful night and Bonnie got irreparably damaged by the hurricane hole in one bucket. We know that Monty was the most physically imposing animatronic that we had to go up against and he was still able to crawl around and kill us even after losing his legs and his arms being wrecked(not to mention when the bucket first came down he was only able to hold it back by just a little bit, now imagine you’re a weaker animatronic in his shoes and you’ll see where I’m taking this), there’s a pretty good chance that Bonnie wasn’t built as sturdy as Monty was and getting hit by the hurricane bucket wrecked him beyond repair(which would also explain why Burntraps new rabbit parts still look so broken down, because they were shattered from getting the blunt force trauma of the hurricane bucket falling down on them and at high speeds at that) and Monty missing shows always to be found on that same catwalk, we know the animatronics were programmed with a complex range of emotions and it sound more like Monty was mourning what happened to Bonnie, heck maybe even guilt stricken with the thoughts of “why didn’t I save him?” And him being so focused on those thoughts that he can completely miss hearing the sound of that very same bucket come crashing down on him as well and needing rushed repairs. That’s my hot take on it at least.
@@frankieepurr perhaps Vanny in order to leave a paper trail of Monty being aggressive and jealous so that way corporate focuses on him instead of what she’s doing? That’s the only thing I can think of because something like that would have to be programmed into an arcade game and I’m not sure what the animatronics full range of tech communication is, they seem to be able to access certain protocols but unable to do other things(first thing that comes to mind is the pizza making mini game, Gregory had to control the staff bot to make the pizza even though he clearly didn’t know what he was doing, it would’ve made more sense if Freddy took control of it unless that’s a completely separate system that the animatronics don’t have access to).
@@jackierocha5096 I'm confused why fazbear entertainment didn't attempt to reprogram monty to stop missing shows and destroying things in the first place
@@frankieepurr probably for the same(unknown) reason why they don’t reprogram Chia to stop compulsively eat trash and Roxanne’s self confidence issues, or even why they didn’t remove their upgrades when they were causing more trouble then intended(Monty’s I get why his was needed since they’re meant o help him play bass easier but Chica’s is a literal safety hazard to the any and all animatronics near her), at least that’s all that I can think of.
@jackierocha5096 some people think that chica was programmed to eat to teach kids how to eat but vanny made it so she eats trash, I was just confused why FE didn't bother fixing them, we also see that chica attacks people for monty mystery mix and roxy destroys staff bots who are trying to fix her own track even though she wants it repaired
Glamrock Bonnie isn't used for Burntrap, at least not the one that goes missing in the Pizzaplex. Spoilers for Tales From The Pizzaplex: in TFTPP, which is almost 100% canon to the games, we see the Glamrock endoskeletons come in. Only one of them is beaten up, a Bunny endoskeleton. One of the workers wants to be in the tech crew but got put on construction for clearing out endoskeletons in the fnaf 6 building which is going to be used as a museum. That worker wanted to prove himself and reprogrammed the Glamrock Endoskeleton to take apart the endoskeletons in the pizzeria, only I guess it only registered half the order because it begins to take apart the workers in the pizzeria. One of them gets away and gets the door sealed. This bunny endoskeleton that went haywire almost definitely becomes the endoskeleton for Burntrap. Another thing to mention is that in Under Construction, which admittedly is debatable for whether or not it is canon to the games, we see the main character go on a ride that has a Foxy hologram appear, and while we aren't sure of when it takes place, in that same book we see an AR booth that has no sign of existing in the main Pizzaplex, so we can assume that the ride was taken down, so this probably takes place awhile before the main gameplay, so while it doesn't debunk the idea that Foxy was work in progress, it's still something to note
Another interesting thing about Bonnie being gone is the fact that the company doesn't replace him at all, despite the many endo skeletons and technology available within their own facility. Kinda adds to the weirdness of his disappearance.
If you take a look at Fuhnaff's "I solved FNAF Security Breach", you could theorize that there was nobody there to replace Bonnie, because Vanessa had everyone relevant to anything she needed to get involved with killed.
Hey, so I wanna point something out with the glamrock Bonnie section of this theory. Altho yes, it was a popular theory that parts from the destroyed Glamrock Bonnie were used for Burntrap, the epilogue at the end of the most recently released FNAF book, Tales From the Pizzaplex #1 Lally's Game, seemingly disproves this. Lemme explain (also if u haven't read it already and don't want spoilers for the epilogue, then don't read): In the epilogue, it's specifically stated, that while the Pizzaplex is still under construction, Fazb. Ent. received a delivery of random animatronic parts that they never asked for. During the epilogue story, when the characters are in the underground location attempting to renovate the FNAF 6 building so it can be used as like a museum, they're attempting to clean up all the endos received in the delivery and just dump them in a pile in the corner of the room. Tho an interesting thing is that there's an odd one out in the endos. There's one specific endo that's shaped like a rabbit, with full ears arms and legs, etc, but has seemingly sustained some form of fire damage from something that happened in the past. One of the members, trying to expedite the process of cleaning up the endos, decides to try and reprogram that rabbit endo specifically, to do their job for them, and collect all the endo arms and heads. But the endo malfunctions and instead just receives the command to just simply receive arms and heads, no specification on what type of arms and heads. This leads to the endo going around and ripping the construction crew apart, with only one left standing, and he rushes out, yelling at a delivery crew to seal the door, with the story ending there. Now I think it's pretty obvious that this is the endo that ends up being used for Burntrap, but there's various odd things: 1. Where did it come from? It'd seem like it's a brand new endo and not scraptrap's since it's not missing any body parts, but at the same time, why would it have sustained fire damage at some point? So let's make the assumption that it IS Scraptraps. But then that leads to another problem: 2. Where's Afton's corpse? If it's Scraptraps, wouldn't Afton's remains be still left hanging in there? and 3, the most important detail: Where did it get it's new arm from. It was assumed that it got it from Glamrock Bonnie, but that's seemingly been disproven, since this story takes place DURING the construction of the Pizzaplex, meaning that Glamrock Bonnie most likely wasn't fully constructed yet, so that couldn't have been the source
Why do I get the feeling that Montgomery has Bonnie's casing for his hands and feet and his shoulder pads? The casing wouldn't be deemed as important as the actual endo so....kind of creepy if it's true 😬
I wonder now that I heard about your Foxy Theory, I wonder if that will be how he'll play a part in the Ruin DLC! (I know it's not confirmed we'll see Foxy, but bare with me.) I feel like while The STAFF were supposibly Advertising Foxy around the PizzaPlex, They decided to built a Foxy Robot for the sake of if he got popular one day, he was simply put in a backroom until then. Fast Forward to the Ruin DLC, Foxy somehow and mysteriously powers up on his Convear Belt, gets up and is greeted to what's left of the PizzaPlex, wondering what had happened while he was shutdown. And then maybe afterwards we play as him for most of the segment until we find that Girl Character found in the Teaser, creating a sort of Freddy and Gregory 2.0.
That could be interesting, it would make sense if they were already in the process of building him. The question then becomes would he be a friend or foe?
@@RyeToast I'd say friend, considering he would be on shutdown, thus, Vanny/Glitchtrap wouldn't find a way to Hack him. Also it would be a nice little nod to FNAF 2 on how Foxy isn't fooled by the mask, Freddy only (nearly) got hacked during the Burntrap Fight and Bonnie is pretty much not here for all of this. And *maybe* even a nod to the slightly ridiculous "Foxy is a Good Guy" theory.
What I got from it is if that were planned, that would have been when the Pizzaplex was open for business. Any timeline where it's closed and/or ruined, could not have Foxy being added, as there's no venue to add him to.
@@Seriously_Unserious that's the thing, it *was* open for business, and Foxy was just *about* to be added, until thanks to Gregory committing a bit of Arson, The Pizzaplex is in Shambles, and just at that moment while that was all happening, from the burning and stuff, Foxy was locked away in a Backroom, lucky for him, it was a pretty far away backroom, considering how humongous the Mall is, Foxy mysteriously awakens and is greeted to The Ruined Pizzaplex.
@@sunsetlover123-y7c If Foxy were to appear, him being friendly would be more likely then not. He'd have missed the Glitchtrap hacks most likely. However, Freddy was hacked and infected with the Gltchtrap virus before SB. The reason he's not being affected by it in SB is his on stag crash and safe mode reboot. It disables Glitchrap in Freddy and his normal personality is able to show, while Roxy, Chica and Monty are still showing their buggered up personalities, probably programming bugs manifesting as side effects of Glitctrap combined with possible PTSD like symptoms from being controlled to do things they would find abhorrent.
Technically Monty destroying another animatronic wouldn't be against his programming. Sure he was programed not to hurt people but there's a loophole to that, he was programed not to hurt the customer and staff, nothing in his programming said he couldn't hurt another robot.
I like how you built off the Bonny theory, but the Foxy theory was really interesting. Foxy is my favorite and I was a bit bummed when he wasn’t present and assumed that Roxy was in his place. I like the idea that he was going to be brought in at any point.
finally someone who realizes there is no connection between Foxy and Roxanne, so many people think she replaced him similar to Monty and Bonnie, I love this whole theory because it disproves that
I feel like the foxy area could have been like the daycare but for older kids like 12-15, foxy is a character who in the fan base is a fan favorite amongst teenagers, however I don’t know why they would have the slide
I always assumed that Vanny used the Hurricane Hole in One to decommission Bonnie. Looking closely at Monty, it seems he has Bonnie's old legs (especially since he straight up leaps at you, which is odd for a gator to do) It would also explain why Bonnie was so messed up to the point of decommission, because Vanny immediately took parts and the Pizzaplex couldn't rebuild him, so they just threw his legs and claws on Monty for mobility and the bass playing aspect. It also explains why Monty so easily breaks in half when you do him in with THHIO, because it's not his lower body.
I disagree that Foxy's existence, because he was not mentioned in dialogue or security log, doesn't mean they will leave out a popular mascot from the fazbear gang. I believe that both of them were in some way used to build burntrap.
honestly the whole Monty attacking Bonnie thing kinda doesn't make sense because it's very dangerous to have an animatronic capable of hurting customers as part of the band. And if it was the case Monty did destroyed Bonnie, then Monty would've had his endo replaced and the attraction would be closed temporarily but, that's a personal thought
"It's very dangerous to have an animatronic capable of hurting customers as part of the band" Bonnie isn't a customer. And we can see very clearly Monty has no problem destroying non human things.
@@CaramalGoddessFrFr of course he's not a costumer, what I meant is that: if an animatronic will hurt another just because it can, what will it stop it from hurting actual costumers? after all, just a little glitch and it will hunt a child, if you know what I mean
I fink Monty killt bonni like in de begining wehre gregory kralt truh de vents monty brok his intaier room and i fink bonni was in der to Monty killt bonni in montys room.And i fink montys room was bonnis romm
I’ve always believed that since all the posters said “coming soon” for Foxy, the animatronic was never made to begin with anyway n maybe the movie would adjust this according to the sales. I mentioned this briefly in the stream anyway so I won’t say too much else, but I agree with u on that one. For Bonnie I just assumed Monty attacked him for whatever reason whether that was jealousy or maybe to just be in the band as he and Bonnie were the only ones with the claws for it or something like that? And the company is just trying to disguise it maybe until people forget about Bonnie or they fix him? No idea but I think the theory is pretty spot on
Wow you are so true why isn't bonnie coming? In the DLC just why foxy to retire from his stuff of being in pirate co so and bonnie he got destroyed by Monty because vanny brainwashed Monte and now Bonnie is now rubbish
And I hope she ever comes if he doesn't come all of us will be mad right we will all be mad I want to see a good ending when bonnie and Freddy see each other because we always want them he is never coming to DLC we can't see him only mods can make him real so what is your answer we don't care of vanny because she is a b*** and thank God Gregory he killed vanny of the destructions of foxy has been retired so don't worry about him he will come in the next update if not we should have begged for him to get in the pizza Plex but unfortunately not so what do you think should be back and bonnie foxy and bonnie🎉
ive seen this bonnie theory before, with an addition that bonnie was hacked as a testrun of the computer security system before hacking the entire system
I feel like Roxanne Wolf was meant to be a reimagine of Foxy. If Foxy was an animatronic in the Pizzaplex, we would've had a mention of him atleast. And the Bonnie theory makes sense, and it explains why Bonnie was scrapped insteadof his suit being put on a new endo.
I think they wanted to have both Roxy, to fit the style of the main band, and Pirate foxy for the Kids cove area. It would've been odd to have Glamrock animatronics, with a random pirate shoved in the band, so they made Roxy. But then they had spare room, so maybe they were testing the idea of adding pirate foxy back in, they probably had most of the foxy parts anyway, so, why waste them and make a whole new robot to fit the position.
@@RyeToast I got this idea from a comment, back in 1987 a Foxy model AKA Mangle caused the Bite of 87. (Don't fight me on this.) And I feel like FE, decided to keep Foxy, since he was a fan favorite. And by 2023 (When FFPS happens, yet again, don't fight me on this) FE decided to finally to discontinue Foxy. (Maybe because kids were getting bored of Foxy.) Yet FE wanted Foxy still, but didn't want the public to realise that it's just Foxy, so they made Roxanne wolf a reimagined version of Foxy. An animatronic that was similar to Foxy, but kids couldn't realise.
I agree with this theory. Because when Freddy went to bonnie’s previous location he said he misses him but when he goes to Foxy’s location he has nothing to say at all almost like he doesn’t know who he is.
Ever since Freddy mentioned that Bonnie was missing my entire life has been in shambles, I've never known peace after searching for clues for literally the only interesting enough SB theory that isn't Identity wars I understand Matpat now.
One thought that I've seen is: before hacking the main 4, Vanny and Glitchtrap likely hacked other robots to ensure the breach is successful. STAFF bots before going over to Bonnie as an initial test subject; meandering around the building 'til, as we see with the other Glamrocks, got all withered-looking up to the point of being out of commission.
Monty actually feels remorse for destroying bonnie as he destroys his out of anger and regret. Monty was controlled by Vanny to destroy Bonnie. Just wanted to point that out.
We know that other kids went missing in the Pizza Plex, so perhaps Bonnie was attempting to help one of them (the timing fits in “Missing”), without Freddy’s hiding space, so they knew Bonnie was helping the kid, and either Monty took this as his chance to take his “rightful” place or Vanny took it as a chance to get parts for Afton, since Bonnie was already going against them to help the kid.
Oooh I remember this theory of what happened to Bonnie It is a really good theory and I love how you tweaked it And I love the theory of how foxy was planned to be added
A lot of people think there was a glamrock foxy but there never was everyone thinks that cuz of kids cove but that is just part of the daycare and the reason why there was a lot of foxy themed things it was because of him being a og member of the fazbear gang, Bonnie was the only one that existed out of those two. I just wanted to say that so more people know. Cool theory though :)
There is a scrapped 3d model of Glamrock Bonnie in a dump of Security Breach. It is a new Bonnie head on Freddy's body and kind of looks like that drawing you showed. I don't know if it was really found in the files or added by the person making that dump as a prank
Okay no no no… So I really like the Bonnie theory, I really do, but with Foxy, Vanessa found Foxy helping kidnapped children escape the pizzaplex, so Vanessa took out his endoskeleton, and then rebranded him as a wolf, AKA, Roxy! Also my theory is a little backed-up with the names of the animatronics, because there’s Glamrock Freddy, Glamrock Chica, Glamrock Bonnie, and Glamrock Foxy, yet with Monty and Roxy, it’s just Montgomery Gator, and Roxanne! Like what happened to the Glamrock before the name? Also, tbh Roxy and Foxy sound very similar.
I honestly agree with what happened to both. For Foxy cause once you are in the pirate cove, Freddy makes no comment about the area or about Foxy cause maybe he didn’t know Foxy was gonna arrive. For Bonnie I do believe Monty was hacked by Vanny to destroy him so she could use his parts for Burntrap’s body but i believe she didn’t use his shell, she mostly used his endoskeleton cause the arm that was missing from Afton only had the skeleton and not the shell of what would be Bonnie’s arm unless it happened a long time ago which I doubt
I know where foxy and Bonnie is, right at the start of the game in rockstar row, in some of the glass cases, you can find foxy’s endo skeleton head, torso, jaw, and one of his feet, and for Bonnie, he was led to monty golf when glitchtrap took control of monty and dismantled him, he did this to rebuild himself underneath the pizzaplex, you can see he now has 2 arms as in fnaf 6 we saw afton only had one
Not sure about the vanny taking bonnie apart to use for burntrap, I even did digging comparing the two bodies of the burntrap endo and the glamrock endo and find nothing fit for burntrap. And also the recent leak of the SB guide book says burntrap is a "Withered Spring Bonnie". So it is most likely Bonnie wasn't used for parts, he was just trashed by Monty. yeah it seems weird he has a rage issue, but Roxy being vain and Chica having an eating disorder does seem to show they have personalities. Also something most don't talk about is the Gold plushies, the Golden Monty Plushie is found in Bonnie's Bowling Alley and Golden Freddy's plush is found in Monty's room, it's an interesting choice to put Monty's Plush in the bowling alley instead of Freddy's who we know Freddy is Bonnie's best friend while not putting Monty's plus in his own greenroom.
the foxy theory could make sense as for bonnie imma point something out burntrap has 5 fingers instead of 4 and he doesnt have the glamrock torso as you can see the springlock torso in his suit
Theory: I have seen a recent idea thrown out into the community ether that Bonnie underwent a similar glitch as Freddy does in the game. Here are the main questions: Why did Bonnie leave Rockstar Row? Why did Vanny use Bonnie specifically to reconstruct Afton, if the theory shown is to be believed? For the latter question, one could make the argument that Vanny wanted to keep with the branding of Afton, but that seems like a stretch to me. If she really wanted to bring Afton back, why not just use any of the plethora of exoskeletons? In this theory, she planned to, but something came up. This leads to the first question: why did Bonnie leave Rockstar Row? One could argue that Vanny programmed to Bonnie to do this, but I think this would come with some risk. Surely other staff might notice some scraps of Bonnie left over from Monty attacking (again, if that is to be believed), and upon seeing this, would lead to further investigation. No, this seems to me that Bonnie was acting on his own accord, and that was messing with Vanny's plans. Perhaps Bonnie experienced a glitch or just tried to rescue a lost child much like Freddy. Vanny finds out about this and sends the closest animatronic to decommission him. However, I'm not sure Monty has anything to do with this crime at all. For example, the note that showed the peculiar actions of Bonnie via video cameras early in the morning brings forth several questions. One, it is early in the morning, and it is implied by the beginning of the game and the record that all animatronics should be in Rockstar Row. Bonnie was an irregularity. If that is the case, then why is Monty NOT MENTIONED leaving Rockstar Row as well. He should be there after all. But it doesn't because he didn't. Monty never left Rockstar Row. Instead, Vanny could have sent Staff Bots after Bonnie like she does in the Vanny endings. I will admit, there is a weak point in this theory, and that is that Monty did not reside in Rockstar Row. Instead, much like Sundrop and Moondrop in the Daycare, Monty could have had residence in Monty Golf. But that is a bit speculative. Tell me what you think.
I think Bonnie is maybe down in parts and service and leaves to go check a area each time we come as he may be hacked by vanny getting the hack program into his system. And freddy says “I miss him” as being Bonnie. What if vanny wiped their system of knowing what happened to Bonnie after he may of got destroyed and being rebuilt. I’ll do foxy soon cause yeah!
For the people who don’t know If you go to Monty Golf and play his minigame, make the points set up as 1987 ( like the first hole make a hole in one then the next one do it in 9 tries, continue…) then u will get a secret ending about Bonnie
6:24 Dude I didn’t see your cat jump in the chair. 😂Scared the crap out of me when there was motion in the chair. I thought this was about to be a jump scare vid.
Finally, someone's fleshed out the idea of Monty being framed! Him killing Bonnie out of jealousy has always seemed too convenient to me. I'm up in the air on whether Vanny did it herself or whether she controlled Monty to do it, but I could see either way, depending on just how sentient these guys are. I feel like the more sentient the animatronics are, the more likely she is to have controlled Monty to do it (imagine knowing one of your friends died at your own hands and you were powerless to control your body. i'd probably be as angry as monty is. good way to frame him.), but I don't think it really matters much anyway.
As an obvious Monty Stan, I have to give you my theory. Monty didn't want Freddy's position in the band, that was just a meta-story. The ending level of Monty Golf is just part of the meta, created by the experience staff to flesh out Monty's story. In reality, Monty doesn't dislike Freddy any more than the other two do.
Agreed. I don't actually think the actual Monty we see wants any of the things that happen to him, but I believe the story of the characters they're built to represent is that Monty is a little jealous.
On the Foxy part, this is a stretch but going off your 'Foxy wasn't here to begin with' idea: what if the Pizzaplex's current 'Foxy' is a human performer to stand in whilst they gauge interest to see if a robot would be worth the investment. Sure there are no messages supporting this, but the lack of 'why is foxy not here yet' or 'where did Foxy go' messages also pushes in the 'human stand-in to fill the void in the meantime' direction: because they'd be at home revising tomorrow's show script and sending in reports on customer interest. Given the plushies of original and toy animatronic sat in staff only zones, like in the sound booth, it may not be a stretch to say that one of the few human staff could have filled the position.
I know Monty was framed 100% I agree. He was most likely only agressive AFTER getting the claw upgrades, because that's when they started reporting his behavior. Also Burntrap's endoskeleton has *claws* and Bonnie was the only one with claws (to play bass). That means Monty didn't have the propper claws at the time to damage Bonnie enough to be irreparable. But you know who can? The Staff Bots. We saw them destroy Freddy in SECONDS with the push of a button, they could've done it to Bonnie too. This can also be why Monty allegedly hates staff bots, seen broken in his own room. Case closed 😎
"Foxy was planned to be added soon" No, don't do that. Don't give me hope Jk, it's actually a cool theory. I've always assumed that Foxy was just rebooted to be Roxy, y'know, Foxy-Roxy, both are dogs, a lot of companies do this, it just made sense. But this makes sense too. Still, it would be weird for the Fazbear Ent. Franchise to have two canine characters. Also, I'm so glad you said Monty was framed. Idk, something always felt off about the Monty decommissioned Bonnie just because theory. It just seems much more likely that Vanny tampered with Monty's AI than Fazbear Ent. actually programming one of their expensive bots to be completely aggressive towards other two bots, essentially killing one of them and making the company lose millions of dollars y'know
It would have been at least cool if like an easter egg you'd find like parts or like paint cans down in parts of service that were palette for a Foxy to hint that he was being planned. Though there is still allot of mysteries, one of the endings shows Glamrock Mr.Hippo, now we don't know if the newspaper article of him was instantaneous or not, but if it was then that means there are other Animatronics in storage because Mr.Hippo replaced Freddy pretty quickly in that ending.
Freddy also explains that his friends could never hurt anyone. so even IF Monty did something to Bonnie (that would be predictable and honestly, very cliché...haha aggressive gator haha........) he was under the control of Vanny. maybe she was testing if the animatronics can harm anyone while hacked. also, why was Bonnie heading to Monty golf? I mean sure, he took a walk, but...it's odd.
yes I agree the bags are weird as collectables, it fits to have stuff in it but for emails?? those should've been broken/lost faz watches, maybe also employee's watches
I think there is a hole in your Bonnie theory. If Monty had destroy Bonnie why would the company keep him ? Wouldn't they be afraid Monty destroys the others too ? I think the giant bucket in Monty golf would have done enough damage, just look at Monty after we destroy him. Plus I think there is a log telling us the bucket is dangerous. And there is a log saying that they modify Monty claws to play the base, maybe Monty started destroying things because his upgrade would alow him too. So how could he destroy Bonnie without the update ? (plus his hands are purple)
The Bonnie theory is really dramatic. I seriously don't see why people can't just accept and believe that Monty kicked Bonnie in and that Vanny took the parts after they were tossed out. The whole 'monty going against his programming' thing is dumb. He's not just a little violent. He is INSANELY violent from the very start of the game. He's putting on such a violent display that the staff locked him in his room and closed off all viewing before closing. But you can hear his rage and violence in the vents. Him destroying the guns in his course wasn't 'a little aggressive'. He straight up man handled them into pieces. You can believe Monty did it and is violent and still like him. You can like both Monty and Bonnie. I do. But I still think Monty offed Bonnie lol.
Right, but think about this logically. Why would they program him to be so violent? It feels like he was probably programmed to be a little pushy and bro-y. And then Glitchtrap or Vanny cranked that up. Just like chica and Roxy, how both of them are like extreme versions of their likely personalities
i personally dont think theyd keep the monty animatronic if bonnie was presumably destroyed by it, they might just make someone else, like maybe freddy, the bass player if they thought that monty was jealous and dangerous, whats more likely to me is that there were reports of a rabbit near missing children, and to avoid bad pr, they gave a reason to get rid of bonnie by staging an accident where bonnie attacks monty and when that ended, they decommissioned bonnie and dumped it, leaving Vanny to rebiuld afton to her liking
So what IS a character? The endo, the casing and the personality board. And in some cases, a child's soul. Unused endos are everywhere. There is probably a limited number of character casings and where would the personality programs be stored? Most games have a set number of animatronics, normally 4. It's weird to think about there being more than that. Some people think Roxy is a repainted Foxy. So we had the Freddy/Bonnie/Chica/FoxRox where did Monty even come from? And do we count Mr Hippo as canon to the mall? In my opinion, the 'banned' section of kids cove was Pirates cove. Mainly the ship ride from help wanted. This probably included all the cut outs from both games. There was probably an 'incident' there too. The ride got close, and Foxy was 'erased'... phone guy mentions this. this isn't the only time Foxys section is out of order in the timeline.
Okay, it’s great that they justify why William Afton has a new bunny suit with this information about Bonnie. However, they should’ve focused on this a bit more in the story as proper foreshadowing because not many players knew about this fact. Just another example of Security breach being rushed and way too vague.
before I even watch this video: I will say I believe Foxy wasn't a thing because Fazbear entertainment realized he wasn't really that popular anymore around the time of FNAF 2 and 1, so they made Roxy instead. but kept the merch and decor
I figured Burntrap must've cannibalized Bonnie, poor bun, decommissioned by a bunch of killers in rabbit suits. Haven't seen this much murder-bunny since Watership Down.
Just a thought, but if Foxy was going to added, this might explain why the endos have a similar freeze-if-you-are-watching mechanic like Foxy. They are prototypes for a future Foxy. And in the cartoon teaser for security breach, Foxy joins as the last member of the band, I believe. I’m not as sure about the Bonnie theory, only because I’m not totally certain that’s what the developers intended. Spring trap has five digits on his replaced hand, unlike all of the glamrock animatronics. We know Bonnie only has four digits as well due to his Bonnie bowling artwork. He also lacks claws on his replacement foot, something all the animatronics we see with claws on their hands have(chica is an exception because she has wings/talons). So, if they had intended this, which is undeniably more compelling than just finding random parts…somewhere, I wish they had just tweaked those few details to match.
Vanny probably has an influence on some of the animatronics like a monkey and moon that's why they are all of a sudden more violent and by using Monty to destroy bonnie they were able to get the bonnie animatronic parts like the claws and the ears
The Hannah Barbarra mini teasers actually confirm the "foxy was never there to begin with" theory. Also the fact that something happened to Bonnie, as his frames were constantly messed up. But the fact that in the end of every single cartoon, he's REVEALED to be an animatronic. Then we see him playing with the band. The REVEAL of Foxy you could say. So you're probably right.
These are some great theories, based on what evidence is available in-game. I think Springtrap's body must still be undergoing a lot of repairs and needs more replacement parts. His animatronic body is based on the earliest animatronic models i.e, the springlock suits. Those are primitive in comparison to the Glamrocks or the Funtime ones and haven't been manufactured in decades, so it makes sense that they're retrofitting Glamrock Bonnie's parts to fit this older body. Since they are the ones that would match the most. It looks like he only got his arms replaced though, I thought one of his feet was replaced, but looking at it again it's the same burned one from Pizzeria simulator. I think he must have already done some minor repairs to himself, prior to that game, since his feet weren't covered in FNAF 3. That might also explain that horrible head he had in Pizzeria Simulator too, he'd maybe replaced it due to the FNAF 3 fire or just general wear and tear? That seems to still be the same Pizzeria simulator head/mask, with the addition of half a damaged ear. But yeah he's still super fragile, evidenced by how he struggles to move fast in the ending and gets grabbed by the blob with ease. The Foxy theory totally fits as well. Freddy would probably have spoken fondly about Foxy if he'd gone missing too. There would have been messages between departments about it as well.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro and Explanation
01:04 Where is Bonnie in FNAF Security Breach?
07:35 Where is Foxy in FNAF Security Breach?
09:56 Outro and Recap
Quick question who is the kitty 7:50
@@thenightmare3305 that's Casey! named after Casey Jones from TMNT
Awwwww and also why I wanted to know that is because I love cats that’s why
Also love the theory
I agree. Bonnie is missing really because of Burntrap/Vanny. Question is though, if Monty had been functioning properly before being tweaked, would there even have been any jealousy to work with?
Perhaps the personality flaws the animatronics have are all glitchs after Glitchtrap hacked them one at a time. I doubt with his relatively new abilities he could have just taken over the whole network and all connected through it at once.
Monty having anger issues could have just been a lucky coincidence for Vanny. I do believe they planned something, but doubt they could have the foresight to know how exactly it would work out.
I agree that Foxy was planned as an upcoming attraction, that's the only way to make sense of his absence while accounting for there being no 'where did Foxy go?' messages in the logs. I mostly agree with your Bonnie conclusion too. My two most likely scenarios are that either Vanny sabotaged Bonnie and staged it to look like Monty was responsible like you said, or that Monty was hijacked by Glitchtrap and forced to attack Bonnie directly.
My theory on Reddit and the RyeToast Discord about it focused on 3 key facts:
1- Why Bonnie would have left his Green Room
2- Where he would have gone based on different motives
3- Who were the possible suspects and why they may or may not have been willing and able to harm Bonnie.
I found an interesting thing that people keep overlooking. Monty DID NOT HAVE his claws back then, but Bonnie DID HAVE CLAWS. We're told by the game that they're essential for any Glamrock to play bass, so we know Bonnie had claws and Monty did not.
Also, the walk from Bonnie's Green Room, according to the message Missing, took 2 hours 16 minutes, but when I tested it, I found a Glamrock could walk it in about 12 minutes. So either we have the wrong arrival time, in which case, if the arrival time's wrong, what else in those movements is wrong? Or we have over 2 hours of Bonnie's activities and movements unaccounted for. Where was Bonnie during that time and what was he doing? The message does not say, so if it skipped that, what else did it skip? Did Bonnie enter and leave Monty Golf safely and went somewhere else and died there? Did Bonnie go to Monty Golf at a different time then the message indicates? Did he even go there at all? Given this, Missing is a paradox, for any possibility to be true, another must be false, and therefore the whole message is suspect and can't be relied upon as evidence.
It's been tampered with but the tampering left a logic trap that would reveal the tampering upon any level of scrutiny beyond just blindly accepting it as immutable law that can't possibly be anything other then true.
Tbh I think Foxy might of been a plan to put in security breach, because if you go in kids cove and see where you would go down the slide at the top of the light house, there is a door up there. It could have been a plan for Foxy to slide down and then chase us around, and probably a plan for the kids so they can go on the slide too. ;-;
Sorry this is a random response...
@@Dippety did u even watch the video?
@@sorratana1 I didn't watch the whole thing when I said that 🙁
So please, don't be rude
Or are you not being rude?
Idk...
and also the kid’s cove existence in fnaf sb
Chica shouldn't want to eat so much. I feel like Chica's behavior should be a hint about the Glamrock series and how they work. Monty is aggressive in private AND public; it isn't an "act"/scripted behavior, or else why would he do it while off-stage by himself? Chica eating anything off the ground, including rotten food isn't endearing; it's off-putting and it's something she does (again) while no one is looking. Roxy talking to herself, again, alone with no guests around, contributes nothing to their collective "performance". And Freddy; he's too empathetic for a robot. Freddy caring/missing Bonnie (again) adds nothing to his persona for the purpose of interacting with guests. Why does Freddy care so much? Why are the Glamrocks so emotional and expressive in ways that are not there strictly for stage purposes? None of this seems like programed behavior. Perhaps it's the extension of something programed in; perhaps Chica was "told" to like eating pizza way too much; but maybe to a robot Pizza extends to all food and all food extends to all things that fit into the category of food even if it is in an inedible state?
Given how Security Breach was a mess behind the scenes, I think the only way to make sense of the story is to try to pick up the dropped (but still there) plot threads and ask how they were suppose to connect. The Glamrocks are very unique, the same way the Funtimes are unique and the Toys are unique. Often each "set" is literally programed and built differently to contain functions not shared across any past or future sets of robots. So what are the things that we can name that define the Glamrocks as their own unique traits? Is being emotional their "thing" and how is that derived from computer programing? Or is the point it shouldn't be possible?
Hmmm interesting
I love this theory 🙏
I think in the endo area it shows how they were “teaching” the endos how to act, and I use quotation marks cause it’s poor at best and basically abuse at worst. If they were basically giving the endos new born minds and then locking them in a box I’d assume that all of their robots would be messed up mentally. So any traits they were taught were “for them”, could be amplified to extremes, like monty’s aggression and Chica’s gluttony
Well we've seen in the fnaf universe not just in the games but the books that it would seem inanimate objects can have spirits or curses attached to them. In the real world there are entire museums of objects people believe have their own souls in addition to the ones those objects caused harm. I always liked the idea that in fnaf when you make an animatronic it is alive to an extent we see this with the existence of remnant and with things like balloon boy, and bellora's minis that idealistically wouldn't have souls attached to them specifically but, a soul could easily attach itself to something around them that allows their existing life to be a bit stronger. Kind of a night of the museum effect. Which is kind of the same logic fnaf runs on. I mean in night of the museum 1 we never saw things like bobble heads and T-shirts come to life and we didn't know that you could literally walk into paintings but, in the sequel we see that's absolutely possible with the tablets rules being so vague. Fnaf has that kind of magic system if we're using writer's terms that you can allow ideas like the animatronics by themselves having a sort of Small Soldiers style sentience even without the kids attached. Though I don't think this is factual it's more just something I use for fun when writing fanfics and I think it would be fun to play with if the franchise ever got like a cartoon or comic series.
@@royalhydra9790 This would be fantastic to play with as a What If fanfiction type of thing. The idea of what this place would be if afton wasn't in the basement at all. If the fire before actually worked if the company would have unknowingly created a whole new kind of tragedy with these endos. We already have the appearance of a endo uprising in the Bonnie Golf easter egg. Could you imagine of Gregory never came to the pizzaria, if afton wasn't there but they still kept tormenting these robots that they don't realize have feelings? It's like something out of Small Soldiers.
I like the idea of Foxy possibly being added in later. Because it really gives Roxy something to worry about. She would know everybody loves Foxy. And she's already got issues with her self worth. Psyching herself up and saying everybody loves her. She's scared the guests won't like her anymore if Foxy shows up.
There are pictures of a pirate foxy too. So he probably was going to come.
5:03
Her insecurities are possibly because of Foxy, she’s worried that she won’t be enough to fill foxy’s shoes. She also probably faced backlash from customers(such as children and angry parents) who were major fans of the iconic pirate fox
I wonder how the both of them would interact tbh
Wait... Isn't Roxy the Female ver of Foxy?????
a detail that was left out (another person noticed this, not me): there's a security log saying that Monty was given claws to better play the bass. This would imply that glam rock Bonnie had claws since he was the bass player before Monty. And what does burntrap has? claws. he and Monty are the only animatronics to have them
I wholeheartedly agree with these theories! Glad to know I’m not the only one who believes Monty was framed! Vanny needed to do anything and everything so as to not cause suspicion and keep people off her scent.
And adding Foxy down the line as part of a future expansion? It makes sense. Theme parks go through a similar process when they want to expand either the park’s physical space or interactivity of certain park elements.
Right? I feel like it's the most logical conclusion
If you complete the golf simulator/game in gator golf theres a comic that shows that monty was actually controlled by vanny, so yall are right
I always thought Foxy’s endoskeleton was used for Roxy? I’m not sure about the specifics (I’m not a great theorist lol) but the eyes, the similar physical features (aside from hair and colours there’s not a big difference between a fox and a wolf animatronic) and the companies reputation for fixing things up and reusing them. I think it’d also be interesting as to why she has self esteem issues, it’s like she’s literally trying to be something that she isn’t, a wolf. Again it’s not loads of evidence, and your theory does make sense, especially bc they wouldn’t use the exact same designs for glam rock foxy as they would the OG or Funtime foxy
See that's what I was thinking too, but my thoughts come down to why? There are a lot of similarities between foxy and Roxy but other than that there's no real reason why they'd reuse foxy to make a wholly new animatronic
Not like they don't have a record of similar with Foxy -> Mangle instead of a funtime foxy. Could just be branding or marketing. Pirates don't exactly fit the retro aesthetic they're going for afterall.
@@RyeToast That and Foxy would have a male endo and Roxy has a female endo, which are clearly different sizes and shapes, with the male ones being a bit taller, and have broader shoulders and a deeper torso then the female ones.
I believe the theory of them just wanting to have the main four be two guy characters and two girl characters
Bonnie already replaced by a cooler image and Foxy? well seems they decided a femal Foxy would be weird and just wanted a new character
@@Silly_Sulky_Seli Foxy's been female before. Funtime foxy and Mangle are female versions of Foxy.
A theory I always carried in regards to Bonnie's disappearance was that the STAFF bots were the one's to do him in, but because this happened in Monty Golf, Monty saw everything. This in turn caused Monty's previous temper to flare a lot, especially towards the Staff Bots (as seen in his room).
The only downside to Bonnie being used to fix Peepaw Willie, is that there weren't any distinct elements of Bonnie in the design which could give us an angsty moment of Freddy realizing where his friend went. Basically I wish it was angstier than we got lol.
Peepaw 🤣🤣🤣 omg
For real life
I'm glad Foxy wasn't absent for supernatural reasons, but simply for company experimental reasons, and to test his popularity.
I mean I can't think of any other reason that makes sense
Here's the thing I don't get: they confirm through Vanessa dialogue that they can literally just slap any character casing onto any animatronic and it will give you the same character. Are we seriously going to believe that they don't have ANY additional casing to replace on animatronics if parts get damaged? Go back to 1987 and we're led to believe that The Mangle was literally caused by children pulling the animatronic apart, so you'd have a hard time convincing me that Fazbear Entertainment multiple decades later didn't account for the possibility of someone kicking Monty in the shins with a steel toe boot.
Simply put- it makes me think there's some OTHER reason why Bonnie must not be present. Maybe whatever it was Bonnie did had scared some kids, like they may have found him crushed by the Monty bucket and freaked out, and so they basically said "Ah, welp. Gotta do something to move FAR AWAY from this PR disaster"
That's a good point honestly. Like maybe when they first started abducting kids they used Bonnie, but one day he got caught so they blamed the animatronic
I totally forgot about that. Unless Bonnie was SPECIFICALLY unique to the other animatronics they could have did another casing for him and bring him back. The mystery as to why he's gone is so bizarre.
@@RyeToast Would make sense, William's always had a thing for the Bonnie line.
@@Staurcomb I wonder if Vanessa's threat wasn't actually sanctioned by the company. Keep in mind that, for some reason, Mike has somehow come into possession of Freddy. Why is this the case? Was this orchestrated by someone in Freddy's? If Freddy's casing was stuck on a different endo, I doubt Michael would carry with it. This means that at the very least Freddy hasn't been replaced since Michael possessed him, which is implied to have been quite a while before. Given Freddy is the main animatronic, it's safe to assume that if anyone's endo got replaced it'd be his. But it hasn't been.
There's potentially a reason there as to why they don't have spare casing.
Gotta admit, you petting your cat while talking about Monty attacking Bonnie makes you look a bit like a villain.
[Another great video btw]
That would actually be fun for a Halloween episode, stroke a cat menacingly while talking from the point of view of William or something
@@RyeToast That would be pretty cool, not gonna lie.
@@RyeToast do it
I honestly got distracted by the cat in the back
@@RyeToast you didn't do it. Coward.
I got some great points about the time line from this. Your comments on Bonnie's disappearance being recent are interesting. There is a clue that you, like just about everyone else who talks about the Bonnie-Monty connection seems to miss.
"Monty Mischief
ERRENT BEHAVIOR REPORT - Monty didn't show up for the Main State performance again. We found him in the same place we always do, the catwalks over Monty Golf. We can't have a repeat of last month. Someone hit a hole in one and the Hurricane bucket knocked him down. Both legs were broken and required emergency Parts and Service work."
That implies at least a couple of months between whatever happened to Bonnie and the events of SB. As for Freddy's deep, emotional response and unwillingness to confront Bonnie's loss, we see evidence many in the company don't treat the Glamrock like AIs with emotions and possible sentience. No, they treat them like normal, uncaring robots, little better then STAFF bots. They're still not publicly acknowledging the loss of Bonnie by the time of SB. Would they have enough regard for the Glamrocks to have let them hold any sort of memorial service or given them any time off for bereavement? Not likely. Hell, they don't even treat their fully human staff much better then the STAFF bots. It's likely that such treatment would prolong grief, and promote more unhealthy reactions to it in the 4 surviving Glamrocks. We see notes telling us their behavior is deteriorating over recent time. One of the notes even addresses Monty specifically, that he's gradually becoming more aggressive and anti social.
That's a fair point, I guess I just assumed it happened recently because Bonnie bowling was still pretty Bonnie reliant thematically yet they seem to be trying to explain him out of it. That's a good reason for why Monty would be aggressive afterwards. I hadn't considered that theory you posted for the cause because I agree with you that Monty didn't do it on his own volition. But I didn't consider the repercussions
@@RyeToast I'm curious, what lead you to skip the Monty Mischief note? I see it get skipped so often and I'm curious why.
@@Seriously_Unserious Frankly I did a faulty search. I was looking for notes about Bonnie, instead of notes about related parties. Therefore I simply forgot about the note
@@RyeToast That's probably why that one gets missed. It's a note about Monty specifically. When I did my Bonnie theory and was examining the Monty part of it, I focussed on Monty lore I could find in the game so that note came up and gives solid evidence Monty's not happy with either being in the band, or the way he ended up in the band.
This seems the most likely, and it explains why animatronics like Roxanne and Chica seem to have deep problems that weren’t addressed in the game. Maybe Roxanne’s self esteem is so low because she is constantly afraid that she will be replaced like Bonnie was. She needs to reassure herself that she is better than the others and won’t be replaced for a while. And Chica started eating a lot because she it made her feel happy.
Bonus: I think the reason why Chica rushed to Freddy’s aid when he failed during the performance was because she is scarred by the loss of Bonnie and was concerned about Freddy and if he would be okay.
The bonnie theory is proven even more by the replaced arm you mentioned. The arm that scraptrap had missing that got replaced has the same kind of claws as monty, which is stated in a different maintenance log that he needed them so he could "play the bass better" and because bonnie was the bass player before monty, he would've needed the same kind of claws to pluck the strings.
also historically Bonnie was usually the bass player of the band
What if Monty was never intended to replace Bonnie, but instead an additional to the band just like Foxy's theory.
That's possible, I don't think it changes much about what I've said here though
I believe this, that Monty was mainly meant to be the golfing mascot before being upgraded.
It did say Monty was already around when Bonnie disappeared
I believe that Bonnie was used to create burntrap.
Due to his destructive nature, I think he use to be the band’s drummer before his promotion to bassist
I’ve always believed that Bonnie was used to Repair William, and that fact also explained why he was in a Recharge Booth. I also agree that Foxy was never on site, but never thought about them preparing to bring him in.
Monty might’ve never wanted to harm any of the members of the band to begin with, there’s another message that says that he’s missed ANOTHER show and they found him where they *always* find him: the catwalk in gator golf. In that same message it even says that he got hit by the hurricane hole in one bucket and they had to rush repair him(which honestly could also explain why he’s so aggressive for an animatronic meant to be around kids, maybe they didn’t fully check to make sure everything was in working order in regards to his personality programing when they prioritized the physical aspect for a rush repair job), if he genuinely went to the lengths of harming another animatronic just to be in the band then why is he missing so many shows? It could either be that he remembers being made to attack Bonnie and he feels immense guilt over it OR perhaps him and Bonnie were hanging out on the catwalk that fateful night and Bonnie got irreparably damaged by the hurricane hole in one bucket. We know that Monty was the most physically imposing animatronic that we had to go up against and he was still able to crawl around and kill us even after losing his legs and his arms being wrecked(not to mention when the bucket first came down he was only able to hold it back by just a little bit, now imagine you’re a weaker animatronic in his shoes and you’ll see where I’m taking this), there’s a pretty good chance that Bonnie wasn’t built as sturdy as Monty was and getting hit by the hurricane bucket wrecked him beyond repair(which would also explain why Burntraps new rabbit parts still look so broken down, because they were shattered from getting the blunt force trauma of the hurricane bucket falling down on them and at high speeds at that) and Monty missing shows always to be found on that same catwalk, we know the animatronics were programmed with a complex range of emotions and it sound more like Monty was mourning what happened to Bonnie, heck maybe even guilt stricken with the thoughts of “why didn’t I save him?” And him being so focused on those thoughts that he can completely miss hearing the sound of that very same bucket come crashing down on him as well and needing rushed repairs.
That’s my hot take on it at least.
Then who put freddy in the trash on that arcade level
@@frankieepurr perhaps Vanny in order to leave a paper trail of Monty being aggressive and jealous so that way corporate focuses on him instead of what she’s doing? That’s the only thing I can think of because something like that would have to be programmed into an arcade game and I’m not sure what the animatronics full range of tech communication is, they seem to be able to access certain protocols but unable to do other things(first thing that comes to mind is the pizza making mini game, Gregory had to control the staff bot to make the pizza even though he clearly didn’t know what he was doing, it would’ve made more sense if Freddy took control of it unless that’s a completely separate system that the animatronics don’t have access to).
@@jackierocha5096 I'm confused why fazbear entertainment didn't attempt to reprogram monty to stop missing shows and destroying things in the first place
@@frankieepurr probably for the same(unknown) reason why they don’t reprogram Chia to stop compulsively eat trash and Roxanne’s self confidence issues, or even why they didn’t remove their upgrades when they were causing more trouble then intended(Monty’s I get why his was needed since they’re meant o help him play bass easier but Chica’s is a literal safety hazard to the any and all animatronics near her), at least that’s all that I can think of.
@jackierocha5096 some people think that chica was programmed to eat to teach kids how to eat but vanny made it so she eats trash, I was just confused why FE didn't bother fixing them, we also see that chica attacks people for monty mystery mix and roxy destroys staff bots who are trying to fix her own track even though she wants it repaired
Glamrock Bonnie isn't used for Burntrap, at least not the one that goes missing in the Pizzaplex. Spoilers for Tales From The Pizzaplex:
in TFTPP, which is almost 100% canon to the games, we see the Glamrock endoskeletons come in. Only one of them is beaten up, a Bunny endoskeleton. One of the workers wants to be in the tech crew but got put on construction for clearing out endoskeletons in the fnaf 6 building which is going to be used as a museum. That worker wanted to prove himself and reprogrammed the Glamrock Endoskeleton to take apart the endoskeletons in the pizzeria, only I guess it only registered half the order because it begins to take apart the workers in the pizzeria. One of them gets away and gets the door sealed. This bunny endoskeleton that went haywire almost definitely becomes the endoskeleton for Burntrap. Another thing to mention is that in Under Construction, which admittedly is debatable for whether or not it is canon to the games, we see the main character go on a ride that has a Foxy hologram appear, and while we aren't sure of when it takes place, in that same book we see an AR booth that has no sign of existing in the main Pizzaplex, so we can assume that the ride was taken down, so this probably takes place awhile before the main gameplay, so while it doesn't debunk the idea that Foxy was work in progress, it's still something to note
Another interesting thing about Bonnie being gone is the fact that the company doesn't replace him at all, despite the many endo skeletons and technology available within their own facility. Kinda adds to the weirdness of his disappearance.
If you take a look at Fuhnaff's "I solved FNAF Security Breach", you could theorize that there was nobody there to replace Bonnie, because Vanessa had everyone relevant to anything she needed to get involved with killed.
@@dreadhavoc Ahh, cool. Thanks for that.
Hey, so I wanna point something out with the glamrock Bonnie section of this theory. Altho yes, it was a popular theory that parts from the destroyed Glamrock Bonnie were used for Burntrap, the epilogue at the end of the most recently released FNAF book, Tales From the Pizzaplex #1 Lally's Game, seemingly disproves this. Lemme explain (also if u haven't read it already and don't want spoilers for the epilogue, then don't read): In the epilogue, it's specifically stated, that while the Pizzaplex is still under construction, Fazb. Ent. received a delivery of random animatronic parts that they never asked for. During the epilogue story, when the characters are in the underground location attempting to renovate the FNAF 6 building so it can be used as like a museum, they're attempting to clean up all the endos received in the delivery and just dump them in a pile in the corner of the room. Tho an interesting thing is that there's an odd one out in the endos. There's one specific endo that's shaped like a rabbit, with full ears arms and legs, etc, but has seemingly sustained some form of fire damage from something that happened in the past. One of the members, trying to expedite the process of cleaning up the endos, decides to try and reprogram that rabbit endo specifically, to do their job for them, and collect all the endo arms and heads. But the endo malfunctions and instead just receives the command to just simply receive arms and heads, no specification on what type of arms and heads. This leads to the endo going around and ripping the construction crew apart, with only one left standing, and he rushes out, yelling at a delivery crew to seal the door, with the story ending there. Now I think it's pretty obvious that this is the endo that ends up being used for Burntrap, but there's various odd things: 1. Where did it come from? It'd seem like it's a brand new endo and not scraptrap's since it's not missing any body parts, but at the same time, why would it have sustained fire damage at some point? So let's make the assumption that it IS Scraptraps. But then that leads to another problem: 2. Where's Afton's corpse? If it's Scraptraps, wouldn't Afton's remains be still left hanging in there? and 3, the most important detail: Where did it get it's new arm from. It was assumed that it got it from Glamrock Bonnie, but that's seemingly been disproven, since this story takes place DURING the construction of the Pizzaplex, meaning that Glamrock Bonnie most likely wasn't fully constructed yet, so that couldn't have been the source
Why do I get the feeling that Montgomery has Bonnie's casing for his hands and feet and his shoulder pads? The casing wouldn't be deemed as important as the actual endo so....kind of creepy if it's true 😬
It does make sense. Apparently the claws are what allow Monty to play bass, and Bonnie was the previous bass player
@@RyeToast Oh God I just realised that the only image we have of bonnie confirms that he had claws!!
I wonder now that I heard about your Foxy Theory, I wonder if that will be how he'll play a part in the Ruin DLC! (I know it's not confirmed we'll see Foxy, but bare with me.)
I feel like while The STAFF were supposibly Advertising Foxy around the PizzaPlex, They decided to built a Foxy Robot for the sake of if he got popular one day, he was simply put in a backroom until then.
Fast Forward to the Ruin DLC, Foxy somehow and mysteriously powers up on his Convear Belt, gets up and is greeted to what's left of the PizzaPlex, wondering what had happened while he was shutdown.
And then maybe afterwards we play as him for most of the segment until we find that Girl Character found in the Teaser, creating a sort of Freddy and Gregory 2.0.
That could be interesting, it would make sense if they were already in the process of building him. The question then becomes would he be a friend or foe?
@@RyeToast I'd say friend, considering he would be on shutdown, thus, Vanny/Glitchtrap wouldn't find a way to Hack him.
Also it would be a nice little nod to FNAF 2 on how Foxy isn't fooled by the mask, Freddy only (nearly) got hacked during the Burntrap Fight and Bonnie is pretty much not here for all of this.
And *maybe* even a nod to the slightly ridiculous "Foxy is a Good Guy" theory.
What I got from it is if that were planned, that would have been when the Pizzaplex was open for business. Any timeline where it's closed and/or ruined, could not have Foxy being added, as there's no venue to add him to.
@@Seriously_Unserious that's the thing, it *was* open for business, and Foxy was just *about* to be added, until thanks to Gregory committing a bit of Arson, The Pizzaplex is in Shambles, and just at that moment while that was all happening, from the burning and stuff, Foxy was locked away in a Backroom, lucky for him, it was a pretty far away backroom, considering how humongous the Mall is, Foxy mysteriously awakens and is greeted to The Ruined Pizzaplex.
@@sunsetlover123-y7c If Foxy were to appear, him being friendly would be more likely then not. He'd have missed the Glitchtrap hacks most likely. However, Freddy was hacked and infected with the Gltchtrap virus before SB. The reason he's not being affected by it in SB is his on stag crash and safe mode reboot. It disables Glitchrap in Freddy and his normal personality is able to show, while Roxy, Chica and Monty are still showing their buggered up personalities, probably programming bugs manifesting as side effects of Glitctrap combined with possible PTSD like symptoms from being controlled to do things they would find abhorrent.
Man you're REALLY good at coming up with theories with the very little info the game gives us.
Thanks so much!
Technically Monty destroying another animatronic wouldn't be against his programming. Sure he was programed not to hurt people but there's a loophole to that, he was programed not to hurt the customer and staff, nothing in his programming said he couldn't hurt another robot.
That's fair. People are not robots and vice versa
But why would he be able to hurt bonnie just because he's not programmed to not hurt him
I like how you built off the Bonny theory, but the Foxy theory was really interesting. Foxy is my favorite and I was a bit bummed when he wasn’t present and assumed that Roxy was in his place. I like the idea that he was going to be brought in at any point.
finally someone who realizes there is no connection between Foxy and Roxanne, so many people think she replaced him similar to Monty and Bonnie, I love this whole theory because it disproves that
There really isn't any good evidence for it, besides that their names are similar and they're both dog adjacent. Which is speculative at best
I feel like the foxy area could have been like the daycare but for older kids like 12-15, foxy is a character who in the fan base is a fan favorite amongst teenagers, however I don’t know why they would have the slide
I always assumed that Vanny used the Hurricane Hole in One to decommission Bonnie. Looking closely at Monty, it seems he has Bonnie's old legs (especially since he straight up leaps at you, which is odd for a gator to do)
It would also explain why Bonnie was so messed up to the point of decommission, because Vanny immediately took parts and the Pizzaplex couldn't rebuild him, so they just threw his legs and claws on Monty for mobility and the bass playing aspect. It also explains why Monty so easily breaks in half when you do him in with THHIO, because it's not his lower body.
That's a cool theory!
I disagree that Foxy's existence, because he was not mentioned in dialogue or security log, doesn't mean they will leave out a popular mascot from the fazbear gang. I believe that both of them were in some way used to build burntrap.
That's fair
It could just be a funtime chica situation, maybe they rented him out to another pizza plex?
@@mcmacc337 I’m pretty sure they have sister locations in mind
honestly the whole Monty attacking Bonnie thing kinda doesn't make sense because it's very dangerous to have an animatronic capable of hurting customers as part of the band. And if it was the case Monty did destroyed Bonnie, then Monty would've had his endo replaced and the attraction would be closed temporarily
but, that's a personal thought
"It's very dangerous to have an animatronic capable of hurting customers as part of the band" Bonnie isn't a customer. And we can see very clearly Monty has no problem destroying non human things.
@@CaramalGoddessFrFr of course he's not a costumer, what I meant is that: if an animatronic will hurt another just because it can, what will it stop it from hurting actual costumers? after all, just a little glitch and it will hunt a child, if you know what I mean
I fink Monty killt bonni like in de begining wehre gregory kralt truh de vents monty brok his intaier room and i fink bonni was in der to Monty killt bonni in montys room.And i fink montys room was bonnis romm
I fink bonnis brother is freddy .
I’ve always believed that since all the posters said “coming soon” for Foxy, the animatronic was never made to begin with anyway n maybe the movie would adjust this according to the sales. I mentioned this briefly in the stream anyway so I won’t say too much else, but I agree with u on that one. For Bonnie I just assumed Monty attacked him for whatever reason whether that was jealousy or maybe to just be in the band as he and Bonnie were the only ones with the claws for it or something like that? And the company is just trying to disguise it maybe until people forget about Bonnie or they fix him? No idea but I think the theory is pretty spot on
I assumed coming soon meant the movie but that's a good point
Wow you are so true why isn't bonnie coming? In the DLC just why foxy to retire from his stuff of being in pirate co so and bonnie he got destroyed by Monty because vanny brainwashed Monte and now Bonnie is now rubbish
And I hope she ever comes if he doesn't come all of us will be mad right we will all be mad I want to see a good ending when bonnie and Freddy see each other because we always want them he is never coming to DLC we can't see him only mods can make him real so what is your answer we don't care of vanny because she is a b*** and thank God Gregory he killed vanny of the destructions of foxy has been retired so don't worry about him he will come in the next update if not we should have begged for him to get in the pizza Plex but unfortunately not so what do you think should be back and bonnie foxy and bonnie🎉
ive seen this bonnie theory before, with an addition that bonnie was hacked as a testrun of the computer security system before hacking the entire system
That is actually a smart addition. We don't have hard evidence for that but it makes a lot of sense
I feel like Roxanne Wolf was meant to be a reimagine of Foxy. If Foxy was an animatronic in the Pizzaplex, we would've had a mention of him atleast. And the Bonnie theory makes sense, and it explains why Bonnie was scrapped insteadof his suit being put on a new endo.
I see that, the only question is why tho
@@RyeToast probably the same reason why the STAFF from Fnaf 2 made Mangle/Toy Foxy, she's technically also a reimagined Foxy.
I think they wanted to have both Roxy, to fit the style of the main band, and Pirate foxy for the Kids cove area. It would've been odd to have Glamrock animatronics, with a random pirate shoved in the band, so they made Roxy. But then they had spare room, so maybe they were testing the idea of adding pirate foxy back in, they probably had most of the foxy parts anyway, so, why waste them and make a whole new robot to fit the position.
@@RyeToast I got this idea from a comment, back in 1987 a Foxy model AKA Mangle caused the Bite of 87. (Don't fight me on this.) And I feel like FE, decided to keep Foxy, since he was a fan favorite. And by 2023 (When FFPS happens, yet again, don't fight me on this) FE decided to finally to discontinue Foxy. (Maybe because kids were getting bored of Foxy.) Yet FE wanted Foxy still, but didn't want the public to realise that it's just Foxy, so they made Roxanne wolf a reimagined version of Foxy. An animatronic that was similar to Foxy, but kids couldn't realise.
I agree with this theory. Because when Freddy went to bonnie’s previous location he said he misses him but when he goes to Foxy’s location he has nothing to say at all almost like he doesn’t know who he is.
Ever since Freddy mentioned that Bonnie was missing my entire life has been in shambles, I've never known peace after searching for clues for literally the only interesting enough SB theory that isn't Identity wars I understand Matpat now.
One thought that I've seen is: before hacking the main 4, Vanny and Glitchtrap likely hacked other robots to ensure the breach is successful. STAFF bots before going over to Bonnie as an initial test subject; meandering around the building 'til, as we see with the other Glamrocks, got all withered-looking up to the point of being out of commission.
Monty actually feels remorse for destroying bonnie as he destroys his out of anger and regret. Monty was controlled by Vanny to destroy Bonnie. Just wanted to point that out.
It’s really sad that Bonnie just got replaced like that, especially since it seems like kids really seemed to care about him 3:44
We know that other kids went missing in the Pizza Plex, so perhaps Bonnie was attempting to help one of them (the timing fits in “Missing”), without Freddy’s hiding space, so they knew Bonnie was helping the kid, and either Monty took this as his chance to take his “rightful” place or Vanny took it as a chance to get parts for Afton, since Bonnie was already going against them to help the kid.
6:44 the chair got a soul of its own
My cat jumped out of it 🤣
@@RyeToast
Lmao I assumed that your cats adorable
Oooh I remember this theory of what happened to Bonnie It is a really good theory and I love how you tweaked it
And I love the theory of how foxy was planned to be added
Glad you liked it!
A lot of people think there was a glamrock foxy but there never was everyone thinks that cuz of kids cove but that is just part of the daycare and the reason why there was a lot of foxy themed things it was because of him being a og member of the fazbear gang, Bonnie was the only one that existed out of those two. I just wanted to say that so more people know. Cool theory though :)
There is a scrapped 3d model of Glamrock Bonnie in a dump of Security Breach. It is a new Bonnie head on Freddy's body and kind of looks like that drawing you showed. I don't know if it was really found in the files or added by the person making that dump as a prank
Okay no no no…
So I really like the Bonnie theory, I really do, but with Foxy, Vanessa found Foxy helping kidnapped children escape the pizzaplex, so Vanessa took out his endoskeleton, and then rebranded him as a wolf, AKA, Roxy!
Also my theory is a little backed-up with the names of the animatronics, because there’s Glamrock Freddy, Glamrock Chica, Glamrock Bonnie, and Glamrock Foxy, yet with Monty and Roxy, it’s just Montgomery Gator, and Roxanne! Like what happened to the Glamrock before the name? Also, tbh Roxy and Foxy sound very similar.
I honestly agree with what happened to both.
For Foxy cause once you are in the pirate cove, Freddy makes no comment about the area or about Foxy cause maybe he didn’t know Foxy was gonna arrive.
For Bonnie I do believe Monty was hacked by Vanny to destroy him so she could use his parts for Burntrap’s body but i believe she didn’t use his shell, she mostly used his endoskeleton cause the arm that was missing from Afton only had the skeleton and not the shell of what would be Bonnie’s arm unless it happened a long time ago which I doubt
Those are super fair points
I know where foxy and Bonnie is, right at the start of the game in rockstar row, in some of the glass cases, you can find foxy’s endo skeleton head, torso, jaw, and one of his feet, and for Bonnie, he was led to monty golf when glitchtrap took control of monty and dismantled him, he did this to rebuild himself underneath the pizzaplex, you can see he now has 2 arms as in fnaf 6 we saw afton only had one
I wanna say “did I ask for your opinion” but this guy is so cool and so likable, and that this is good!
Well thank you lol
Bro but if you watch theory videos and say "Did I ask for your opinion?" Why would you even watch then- 😭
Not sure about the vanny taking bonnie apart to use for burntrap, I even did digging comparing the two bodies of the burntrap endo and the glamrock endo and find nothing fit for burntrap. And also the recent leak of the SB guide book says burntrap is a "Withered Spring Bonnie". So it is most likely Bonnie wasn't used for parts, he was just trashed by Monty. yeah it seems weird he has a rage issue, but Roxy being vain and Chica having an eating disorder does seem to show they have personalities.
Also something most don't talk about is the Gold plushies, the Golden Monty Plushie is found in Bonnie's Bowling Alley and Golden Freddy's plush is found in Monty's room, it's an interesting choice to put Monty's Plush in the bowling alley instead of Freddy's who we know Freddy is Bonnie's best friend while not putting Monty's plus in his own greenroom.
the foxy theory could make sense as for bonnie imma point something out burntrap has 5 fingers instead of 4 and he doesnt have the glamrock torso as you can see the springlock torso in his suit
That's fair
bonnie fell off monty golf, broke his legs and is currently undergoing maintinence
One of the posters for foxy obviously says "coming soon" too at 0:39
I thought that was referring to that pirate movie thing but you're not wrong
i like that Rye's cat is just chilling in the backround for the whole video
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Loved the video! Another banger as usual :D
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Theory: I have seen a recent idea thrown out into the community ether that Bonnie underwent a similar glitch as Freddy does in the game. Here are the main questions: Why did Bonnie leave Rockstar Row? Why did Vanny use Bonnie specifically to reconstruct Afton, if the theory shown is to be believed?
For the latter question, one could make the argument that Vanny wanted to keep with the branding of Afton, but that seems like a stretch to me. If she really wanted to bring Afton back, why not just use any of the plethora of exoskeletons? In this theory, she planned to, but something came up.
This leads to the first question: why did Bonnie leave Rockstar Row? One could argue that Vanny programmed to Bonnie to do this, but I think this would come with some risk. Surely other staff might notice some scraps of Bonnie left over from Monty attacking (again, if that is to be believed), and upon seeing this, would lead to further investigation. No, this seems to me that Bonnie was acting on his own accord, and that was messing with Vanny's plans.
Perhaps Bonnie experienced a glitch or just tried to rescue a lost child much like Freddy. Vanny finds out about this and sends the closest animatronic to decommission him.
However, I'm not sure Monty has anything to do with this crime at all. For example, the note that showed the peculiar actions of Bonnie via video cameras early in the morning brings forth several questions. One, it is early in the morning, and it is implied by the beginning of the game and the record that all animatronics should be in Rockstar Row. Bonnie was an irregularity. If that is the case, then why is Monty NOT MENTIONED leaving Rockstar Row as well. He should be there after all. But it doesn't because he didn't. Monty never left Rockstar Row. Instead, Vanny could have sent Staff Bots after Bonnie like she does in the Vanny endings.
I will admit, there is a weak point in this theory, and that is that Monty did not reside in Rockstar Row. Instead, much like Sundrop and Moondrop in the Daycare, Monty could have had residence in Monty Golf. But that is a bit speculative. Tell me what you think.
I think Bonnie is maybe down in parts and service and leaves to go check a area each time we come as he may be hacked by vanny getting the hack program into his system. And freddy says “I miss him” as being Bonnie. What if vanny wiped their system of knowing what happened to Bonnie after he may of got destroyed and being rebuilt. I’ll do foxy soon cause yeah!
That could be possible. It's just weird we don't see him though
@@RyeToast yeah it really is
Monty could definitely become jealous since Roxy can be insecure
This is the first theory you've made where I'm positive your right. Great job man.
Thank you! I'm glad I won you over
For the people who don’t know
If you go to Monty Golf and play his minigame, make the points set up as 1987 ( like the first hole make a hole in one then the next one do it in 9 tries, continue…) then u will get a secret ending about Bonnie
That's 👏 not 👏 true 👏 it's 👏 fan 👏 made
I flipping love your videos, partly for your cat, partly for your content
Thank you! And I totally get it my cats are awesome
6:24 Dude I didn’t see your cat jump in the chair. 😂Scared the crap out of me when there was motion in the chair. I thought this was about to be a jump scare vid.
Lol don't worry. I've learned to not put jumpscares in, or if I do put some kind of audio and visual warning cause doing it without one is not cool
Finally, someone's fleshed out the idea of Monty being framed! Him killing Bonnie out of jealousy has always seemed too convenient to me. I'm up in the air on whether Vanny did it herself or whether she controlled Monty to do it, but I could see either way, depending on just how sentient these guys are. I feel like the more sentient the animatronics are, the more likely she is to have controlled Monty to do it (imagine knowing one of your friends died at your own hands and you were powerless to control your body. i'd probably be as angry as monty is. good way to frame him.), but I don't think it really matters much anyway.
Do u still think so
I think Monty and Roxy replaced Foxy and Bonnie
Their names are very similiar sounding.
"MON-ty", "BON-ie"
"FOX-y", "ROX-y"
As an obvious Monty Stan, I have to give you my theory. Monty didn't want Freddy's position in the band, that was just a meta-story. The ending level of Monty Golf is just part of the meta, created by the experience staff to flesh out Monty's story. In reality, Monty doesn't dislike Freddy any more than the other two do.
Agreed. I don't actually think the actual Monty we see wants any of the things that happen to him, but I believe the story of the characters they're built to represent is that Monty is a little jealous.
On the Foxy part, this is a stretch but going off your 'Foxy wasn't here to begin with' idea: what if the Pizzaplex's current 'Foxy' is a human performer to stand in whilst they gauge interest to see if a robot would be worth the investment. Sure there are no messages supporting this, but the lack of 'why is foxy not here yet' or 'where did Foxy go' messages also pushes in the 'human stand-in to fill the void in the meantime' direction: because they'd be at home revising tomorrow's show script and sending in reports on customer interest.
Given the plushies of original and toy animatronic sat in staff only zones, like in the sound booth, it may not be a stretch to say that one of the few human staff could have filled the position.
I hope these two appear in the dlc, especially Glamrock Foxy
Me too
A year later in RUIN now we know what happened to bonnie , but what happened to Foxy? Still no answers?
Man he forgot to say "now let's collect our ingredients" 😭😭
I actually had to cut it out because of an audio glitch 😔
I know Monty was framed 100% I agree. He was most likely only agressive AFTER getting the claw upgrades, because that's when they started reporting his behavior. Also Burntrap's endoskeleton has *claws* and Bonnie was the only one with claws (to play bass). That means Monty didn't have the propper claws at the time to damage Bonnie enough to be irreparable. But you know who can? The Staff Bots. We saw them destroy Freddy in SECONDS with the push of a button, they could've done it to Bonnie too. This can also be why Monty allegedly hates staff bots, seen broken in his own room. Case closed 😎
"Foxy was planned to be added soon"
No, don't do that. Don't give me hope
Jk, it's actually a cool theory. I've always assumed that Foxy was just rebooted to be Roxy, y'know, Foxy-Roxy, both are dogs, a lot of companies do this, it just made sense. But this makes sense too. Still, it would be weird for the Fazbear Ent. Franchise to have two canine characters.
Also, I'm so glad you said Monty was framed. Idk, something always felt off about the Monty decommissioned Bonnie just because theory. It just seems much more likely that Vanny tampered with Monty's AI than Fazbear Ent. actually programming one of their expensive bots to be completely aggressive towards other two bots, essentially killing one of them and making the company lose millions of dollars y'know
bonnie is in ruin but damaged but not missing his shell
I think Roxy is the replacement for Foxy and that's why he isn't there, but I could see him being added if there is enough demand.
It just feels weird and outta nowhere
It would have been at least cool if like an easter egg you'd find like parts or like paint cans down in parts of service that were palette for a Foxy to hint that he was being planned.
Though there is still allot of mysteries, one of the endings shows Glamrock Mr.Hippo, now we don't know if the newspaper article of him was instantaneous or not, but if it was then that means there are other Animatronics in storage because Mr.Hippo replaced Freddy pretty quickly in that ending.
I’m lovin your theories!
Thanks so much!
If Bonnie was in this game, I think he would be helping Gregory as well,
finally! a reasonable person
Lol thanks I try
Freddy also explains that his friends could never hurt anyone. so even IF Monty did something to Bonnie (that would be predictable and honestly, very cliché...haha aggressive gator haha........) he was under the control of Vanny. maybe she was testing if the animatronics can harm anyone while hacked. also, why was Bonnie heading to Monty golf? I mean sure, he took a walk, but...it's odd.
Also question i brought up in the discord where is el chip? he has his own location was he just never popular enough to be built?
That's a good question, but idk if he'd be popular enough to warrant his own animatronic
@@RyeToast maybe its like foxy it was a trial run but he wasnt popular?
yes I agree the bags are weird as collectables, it fits to have stuff in it but for emails?? those should've been broken/lost faz watches, maybe also employee's watches
Right? Or even like manila folders lying around
Staff bots might be possessed
I love your theories, this is so interesting! Also your cat is so adorable ✨♡
Thank you! And isn't he??
Ur theory makes since. Especially about Foxy and his whereabouts.
Glad you think so!
I like it! Once again you’ve made a great theory that makes sense for the lore!
Thanks so much!
You're true
I think there is a hole in your Bonnie theory. If Monty had destroy Bonnie why would the company keep him ? Wouldn't they be afraid Monty destroys the others too ? I think the giant bucket in Monty golf would have done enough damage, just look at Monty after we destroy him. Plus I think there is a log telling us the bucket is dangerous. And there is a log saying that they modify Monty claws to play the base, maybe Monty started destroying things because his upgrade would alow him too. So how could he destroy Bonnie without the update ? (plus his hands are purple)
The Bonnie theory is really dramatic. I seriously don't see why people can't just accept and believe that Monty kicked Bonnie in and that Vanny took the parts after they were tossed out. The whole 'monty going against his programming' thing is dumb. He's not just a little violent. He is INSANELY violent from the very start of the game. He's putting on such a violent display that the staff locked him in his room and closed off all viewing before closing. But you can hear his rage and violence in the vents. Him destroying the guns in his course wasn't 'a little aggressive'. He straight up man handled them into pieces. You can believe Monty did it and is violent and still like him. You can like both Monty and Bonnie. I do. But I still think Monty offed Bonnie lol.
Right, but think about this logically. Why would they program him to be so violent? It feels like he was probably programmed to be a little pushy and bro-y. And then Glitchtrap or Vanny cranked that up. Just like chica and Roxy, how both of them are like extreme versions of their likely personalities
i personally dont think theyd keep the monty animatronic if bonnie was presumably destroyed by it, they might just make someone else, like maybe freddy, the bass player if they thought that monty was jealous and dangerous, whats more likely to me is that there were reports of a rabbit near missing children, and to avoid bad pr, they gave a reason to get rid of bonnie by staging an accident where bonnie attacks monty and when that ended, they decommissioned bonnie and dumped it, leaving Vanny to rebiuld afton to her liking
That makes a lot of sense actually, I'll give you that one.
Cute cat dude
Thank you! His name is Casey
So what IS a character? The endo, the casing and the personality board. And in some cases, a child's soul.
Unused endos are everywhere. There is probably a limited number of character casings and where would the personality programs be stored?
Most games have a set number of animatronics, normally 4. It's weird to think about there being more than that. Some people think Roxy is a repainted Foxy. So we had the Freddy/Bonnie/Chica/FoxRox where did Monty even come from? And do we count Mr Hippo as canon to the mall?
In my opinion, the 'banned' section of kids cove was Pirates cove. Mainly the ship ride from help wanted. This probably included all the cut outs from both games. There was probably an 'incident' there too. The ride got close, and Foxy was 'erased'... phone guy mentions this.
this isn't the only time Foxys section is out of order in the timeline.
Okay, it’s great that they justify why William Afton has a new bunny suit with this information about Bonnie. However, they should’ve focused on this a bit more in the story as proper foreshadowing because not many players knew about this fact. Just another example of Security breach being rushed and way too vague.
before I even watch this video: I will say I believe Foxy wasn't a thing because Fazbear entertainment realized he wasn't really that popular anymore around the time of FNAF 2 and 1, so they made Roxy instead. but kept the merch and decor
Nice theory also OMg I’m so flippin early
Right?? Like immediate, bless up
I figured Burntrap must've cannibalized Bonnie, poor bun, decommissioned by a bunch of killers in rabbit suits. Haven't seen this much murder-bunny since Watership Down.
Yes.
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Just a thought, but if Foxy was going to added, this might explain why the endos have a similar freeze-if-you-are-watching mechanic like Foxy. They are prototypes for a future Foxy. And in the cartoon teaser for security breach, Foxy joins as the last member of the band, I believe.
I’m not as sure about the Bonnie theory, only because I’m not totally certain that’s what the developers intended. Spring trap has five digits on his replaced hand, unlike all of the glamrock animatronics. We know Bonnie only has four digits as well due to his Bonnie bowling artwork. He also lacks claws on his replacement foot, something all the animatronics we see with claws on their hands have(chica is an exception because she has wings/talons). So, if they had intended this, which is undeniably more compelling than just finding random parts…somewhere, I wish they had just tweaked those few details to match.
Your theory are very good 😊
Thank you!
Vanny probably has an influence on some of the animatronics like a monkey and moon that's why they are all of a sudden more violent and by using Monty to destroy bonnie they were able to get the bonnie animatronic parts like the claws and the ears
isnt roxy legit foxy? arent they the same? i mean 9other than color?
I mean the only evidence we have is the name similarity and snout. So it's hard to say we have hard evidence
@@RyeToast fair enough i guess
The chair moved at 6:45!! 😮
My cat 😅
That Foxy part was really smart. I like it.
Thank you! I'm glad you thought so
Chicken nuggets
So true
The Hannah Barbarra mini teasers actually confirm the "foxy was never there to begin with" theory. Also the fact that something happened to Bonnie, as his frames were constantly messed up. But the fact that in the end of every single cartoon, he's REVEALED to be an animatronic. Then we see him playing with the band. The REVEAL of Foxy you could say.
So you're probably right.
These are some great theories, based on what evidence is available in-game. I think Springtrap's body must still be undergoing a lot of repairs and needs more replacement parts. His animatronic body is based on the earliest animatronic models i.e, the springlock suits. Those are primitive in comparison to the Glamrocks or the Funtime ones and haven't been manufactured in decades, so it makes sense that they're retrofitting Glamrock Bonnie's parts to fit this older body. Since they are the ones that would match the most. It looks like he only got his arms replaced though, I thought one of his feet was replaced, but looking at it again it's the same burned one from Pizzeria simulator. I think he must have already done some minor repairs to himself, prior to that game, since his feet weren't covered in FNAF 3. That might also explain that horrible head he had in Pizzeria Simulator too, he'd maybe replaced it due to the FNAF 3 fire or just general wear and tear? That seems to still be the same Pizzeria simulator head/mask, with the addition of half a damaged ear. But yeah he's still super fragile, evidenced by how he struggles to move fast in the ending and gets grabbed by the blob with ease.
The Foxy theory totally fits as well. Freddy would probably have spoken fondly about Foxy if he'd gone missing too. There would have been messages between departments about it as well.
POV:most people think that Bonnie is a guitarist
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Five nights at freddy's fans know that bonnie is LITERALLY a BASSIST.
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