Personally I started out with the jb4 and then moved on to the first version of the lap3. Jb4 seemed better for launch control, but the lap3 imo was much better a roll racing. Either way best comparison I've seen, great job man.
@@Kzxo At the time yes, but now the JB4 has had a lot of upgrades and refinement but so has the new lap3 tuner. I havent used either one. Personally I would go with lap3 just because of familiarity and good experience i had.
As someone who owns a JB4 I can confirm that 4.2s are the most consistent runs in 0-60. I have 25lbs wheels on 265s PS4S with SSR downpipes and a Muffler delete, all my runs are done on 91 octane on a GT RWD. However that 4.2s number means almost nothing to me as I've beat plenty of cars off the dig that claim 0-60 in under 4s. I rarely do dig races however, most my encounters are roll races.
I also have a Stinger GT but stock. Had it for nearly 2 years and the car is AMAZING, very happy with it. Came close to beating one of the latest BMW's think it might have been a 4 series, but we had 4 people in my car. Still he was looking at us like wtf?? lol DEFINITELY getting the MODS soon ;)
@@jeffreylewis535 nice man, I raced a BMW M340i and gave him a run for his money I've also raced a couple M3s who thought they'd gap me but never even split
Hey im thinking about buying a jb4 have you had any problems with it ? I will most likely run just map 2 with upgraded plugs but my main concern is long term reliability. Have you experienced any issues?
Wow, thank you, i live in Montreal and i just bouught my 2020 Gt2 Awd, and i wasn sure with chip tune to choose now i know i will remain with my first choice. JB4 for the run. THANKS A. LOT FOR THIS VIDEO! All hail to Stinger Nation.
I’m running a Custom Map6 on my Stinger and it’s ridiculously fast. Map 1 and Map 2 are decent, but there is a lot more potential with E30 and improved Octane.
Awesome video guys. I was considering the lap3 but decided to go with jb4 just because of the price difference. I agree completely because I was hands down going to buy the lap3 but then I said to myself there probably wouldn't be much of a difference between them. I am however a veloster N owner sadly I didn't buy a stinger almost did but wanted to do more track days than drag racing. However I don't believe you guys were unfair in your comparison. Great job loved the video.
Enjoyed the video guys! Thanks for taking the time to put this together. I'd also like to see a 1/4 mile comparison and might as well add the Racechip GTS to the competition!
Great job, I know it's hard to do the exact same sequences to fairly test both ecu's. The difference in the Lap3 falling off on the later runs could be due to a number of factors (stock ecu interfering differently, heat soak, even the humidity / air temps being different from the time you ran the jb4 vs lap. Either way, excellent work!
@@choyoung7432 2.0 user here, Installed my jb4 last night. I have an Injen intake and ran stock spark plugs stock exhaust last night. Map 1 no issues, I didn’t try map 2. I’ll be installing HKS m45XL spark plugs gapped to .022 tonight.
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Great video, but from experience standing starts aren't the best way to compare differences as the launch can affect the result, a better way is a rolling test, say 30-100 or 60-130 and the best way in may opinion is to do the test in one gear, say 2-nd or 3-rd gear (test acceleration between speeds that correspond to rev range 2000 - 2500 rpm to rev limit)
@@VividVisual Аs I understand it, the point of this test is to see if and how much difference there is (in power/ drivability ), and the best way to do it is to minimize the effects of variables like launching, gear shift etc. , you could do it even between say 10-40/50 miles (as this is awd ). Just trying to help as I've bean doing such tests for years on different cars(fwd,rwd,awd,manuals,auto, from 100hp to 600-700hp etc.), and have spent a lot of time trying to get the best and most consistent method. P.S. if the comparison is meant only for 0-60 then you can disregard what I've written, but that is just part of the story when comparing chips/tunes/tuning boxes/power bands etc.
@@joretoGT1 No that makes sense, yeah most people wanted to see the 0-60 runs because of the hype of doing o-60. I could definitely go over some 10-50 rolls though and touch base on that but I was going to do it in an explanation video. Harder to show that rather than explaining what it feels like as your doing it but definitely agree there are some talking points that I could have covered.
It's not only about 0-60 man that people go with different piggyback tunes. It's the driveability, the way it delivers it's torque, mpg etc. Some people might like the "slower" tune, even if it's only by .2 seconds slower to 60 but it might be better to live with day to day. No stuttering, no off idle stutter, smoother delivery etc. With that said, i love these cars. I have a scatpack charger as my 1st choice to get as my next daily. But a deal falls through, then the stinger gt is my next choice.
That's not the videos focus, and everyone who is watching the video wants to know exactly what I'm showcasing in the video. We all know how they drive, this is mostly to showcase for people who have one or the other and want to know the difference in 0-60 runs. They each drive fine and don't have problems daily driving so there isn't a point to cover that topic.
@@VividVisual No it's a good video, i'm not knocking it but i don't think anyone who has a stinger, and hasn't bought one of these tuners yet, is going to get one based on 0-60 alone. Also on top of that, if we can get technical here, it's not accurate because many factors are being played in between runs. Your tire pressures, heatsoak, gas in the tank etc. Even if it's minuscule you have to take that into account. I bet if you did 6 runs on one tuner you would have came with the same results as opposed to doing 3 of each tune. Or you should have done the average of the 3 runs per tune, and comparing the 2 times. Unless i missed that part in the video.
@@theguy1224 I did 3 runs with the first and 4 runs with the second. If that's the case then there is literally no way to make a perfect video for the community but it was a great attempt.
I would Love to see this compared to a Tork Motorsports ECU Tune Stage 1! Maybe you guys could do a video collaboration or something? Maybe not? Anyways I Love your videos, Great Job! Just picked up my Stinger last week!
Its a couple of guys on TH-cam doing 11.8s and 11.7s with mild bolt ons using just pump gas consistently in the 1/4 mile with the tork ecu tune. A dragy is close but its not a real 1/4 mile imo coming from a 5.0 owner. At the end of the day the ecu flash tune will perform the best had kia put a legit fuel system on the stinger gt they would be putting down m3 numbers the 3.3l tgdi engine is literally a B58 with slightly better engineering what you have is an over engineered block due to it being the first coming out party in your face performance sedan from kia and genesis (g70) just like BMW did with the n55 same engineers just moved to different brand and middle finger to the other germans The rods, crank, heads and block is all top grade aluminum the pistons are quality powdered metal material all good for about 800-900hp at the (crank)
Hey man, quick question... I have a GT2 with a tune box on the way. Did you upgrade to higher performance (ie Iridium) spark plugs and if so, what did you upgrade to?
Did the JB4 have the fuel wires connected too on the grey car ? Great video ! You're probably getting heat soak. The 4.1s is interesting though... Would the JB4 have had similar results with the slightly late launch control ? Thank you to your whole team for this video, it's really, really useful !
Yes fuel wires were installed. Didn't know you could get heat soak in cold weather? It could have but I think that's the best run I've pulled with it. Thanks for watching :) Information is all that matters here
You can get heat soak in any weather. Ambient temperature will help cool it down quicker, but you will still get heat soak, especially if you do back to back runs without the correct amount of time to cool the car down.
@@VividVisual cool! I'm a kdm fan so I don't choose any side because of that. I'm stoke that more than one companies are tuning kdm! I don't own any of the newer kdm's. But with all the beef going on I'm really surprised you guys didn't do further test. 0-60 isn't the the only test🤦🏼♂️ and everyone knows that lol. It doesn't prove much. Only acceleration. So many cars/races has been lost at the top end. Get walked down. I found the test inconclusive. I can't wait for more results. Thank you for taking the time to do this🙏👊
@@philamguambomb This video specifically was aimed toward the average consumer who uses these products for road use. In which case the best real world experience is to go 0-60 because most consumers aren't buying these products to strictly track the car, but to use it as daily driving. So that 0-60 acceleration was to give perspective on everyday use, not just quarter mile track times. I hear what your saying and hopefully can provide more info as time moves forward!
@@truittkeeler you cut the brake signal wire to the ECU, install a switch so you can brake boost. The ecu cuts all power if you press the brake pedal and accelerator at the same time. Makes a big difference in how the car launches, I can consistently get 4 sec 0-60 with brake boosting , 4.2 usually with launch control.
Dragy results are either valid within 1% downhill or invalid. All lap 3 runs were invalid aka downhill while jb4 were valid and slightly uphill. To be fair you would have to run the same direction over the same grade.
Get Stung I’m less worried about the discrepancy with regard to incline as I am with the DA. The Da was outstanding for both, but better for the jb4. I don’t like those DA Correction calculators, but we all know how crucial DA is. But to do a test like this and to eliminate all variables is impossible. I like what they did here. It’s not perfect because it can’t be. But it’s something very useful that they did for us.
@@VividVisual Oh OK, just strange the slope was so different. 0-60 is such a short measure. Next time do 1/4 mile it tends to show any differences better as the runs are much longer. If you do the Burger burnout switch you can get that 0-60 to 3.8s with both tuners BTW. :)
@@VividVisual Interesting because the slope given by dragy suggests otherwise. Not saying you didnt just that all the lap 3 runs show negative slope and the jb4 positive. That said, I dont think slope or da on the dragy are that accurate.
@@BurgerMotorsports I figured it was a little misleading because of the distance every run was different slopes, I spoke about it in the edit but took it out because of other things I was side tracking on so didn't include it in the cut, figuring that the people watching understood we were using the same spot in the same location but I guess a few comments are asking for more clarification which is what I was ready to respond to. Also, haven't done the BMS brake mod yet but sincerely look forward to doing that!
Thanks for the comparison! Important question: Did you do a set of runs with neither? You also already have intake and exhaust upgrades which can make a difference. I don't know, all in these times aren't drastically better than the stock times put out by the various outlets. It's a decently quick car straight from the factory.
JDubbs07 I think stock data on his car and that street would have been a good baseline. Because my guess is that he would have run worse than advertised stock times without either piggyback.
Yea I said all cars will have different results but this is to give an idea of the gain differences between the two. You wouldn't be able to use these unless you switched to HKS spark plugs, and then you couldn't go past map 1 unless you started to add intake and exhaust.
And then another thing you should have done was since there is such a big price difference. What is the 0-60 time with the e85 on a JB4 and is that still cheaper? Doing all that than it is getting the lap three because right there would be everything you would most likely achieve faster times by far than a lap three by itself and I bet it's cheaper
What does the car run without these devices? Also any other modifications? I have a Golf R 2017 with a JB4, it made a huge improvement on that car. I also did draggy testing and stock it did around 4.5-4.8 second 0-60 at 13.1 1/4 @105 MPH. With just the JB4 and nothing else it did 4.0 second 0-60 and 12.4 1/4 at 110 MPH. With just a high flow cat DP, bigger inter-cooler, and K&N drop in filter it now does 0-60 in 3.6-3.8 seconds and 11.9 to 12.0 1/4 mile @ 114 MPH. I am very happy with the JB4, I cannot see paying $600 more for a different plug in device with more or less the same results. If anything the JB4 seemed a lot more consistent which is a good indicator for reliability. I don't know this other device or what it might offer for double the price but it doesn't seem to be worth the added cost. The JB4 has been used for years on other platforms and has an excellent reputation for reliability and customer service. Plus they have the blue tooth option where you can log data, read codes, fine tune boost and fuel, and monitor engine parameters.
Stock it's 4.7 0-60 times. I have full bolt on actually plus the piggy back so it throws it about .6 sec quicker. I've seen other stingers with different bolt ons running quicker numbers.
@@VividVisual It would be interesting if you could do a full 1/4 mile run because 0-60 isn't the best indicator of power. Looking at your draggy g force data I can see that the Golf hits a lot harder right off the line, probably the difference of the dual clutch vs torque converter transmission, or maybe you were on a really slippery road/tire? Had it just rained recently? because it looked like the road might have been damp? That can make a big difference in traction, some think that if you have AWD that kind of stuff doesn't matter but it does.
@@ericmichel3857 Road was slightly damp for sure and it was cold at the same time. 0-60 test because of real world use, most people aren't doing quarter mile runs on the roads lol
Good, no-nonsense comparison. What other mods are on the car? Intake? Exhaust? I've been considering leasing a Stinger. Would I be able to use the JB4 and remove it without detection (assuming I don't screw something up)? Is it even worth it on a stock GT1?
Heat soak on the second tuner could have been an issue too. But that’s crazy for almost double the price and you get half a second faster launch? Not worth it if you ask me
@@KatoTheKiaStinger um... dragy times say different :) Oh wait, we don't even have methanol on the AWD car or the RWD car yet and Dragy results are starting to show interesting results.
John Bushbaum so you’re saying you want to fly me out for a race? That’s what I think you’re saying. Lol. I’d fly myself out, but I’m on a budget... new baby and all. I am not a fan of Dragy comparisons, however. I like organized drag races with lights, lasers, and spectators. Ask around... Kato wins car to car and his driver is the best around. That being said, I am honestly interested and excited to see what y’all run at a track with whatever you’ve been doing over there with your Stingers. I’m all about the community. A win for the bee is a win for the hive.
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Bro can you provide a link for the exact window guards / vent visors / wind deflectors. Whatever you wanna call it. I love your videos BTW but I need those in my life!!!
Thinking about the 2022 gt2 with 🦂.. I'm in the chi also. Need to give my escalade a rest too many miles and gas is a beeeeyotch plus new job location easy to get to but no easy way home in afternoon traffic need a better fuel efficient car. But I want some power also 😂 and I will drive in winter so a charger is out don't like the charger gt
0 to 60 is very sensitive to conditions/surface/tires/ Temps. There is just too many confounding factors to measure a tune based on that. A roll race would take care of most of these problems and gives a wider window for comparison. I am disappointed that you do not know this already. If you are into tuning you should be aware of this.
hi I'm thinking in getting JB4 for my stinger every one says its the best.i noticed you're using your phone to set maps etc. did you have to buy the JB4 Wireless Mobile Connect Kit -- in order for the phone to work with jb4?
I don't get the E symbol.. I'm told it's a Kia thing, but it's not a K or S or anything really ?? If I change mine, it'll be to say Stinger or GT.. Nice Runs !! I don't really race it and want to go to the track starting coming spring 1-2 per year just for fun.. so iffy on if I care about getting tunes and stuff... not going to use it every day.... do they have eco modes that actually save you even more $$ on fuel than stock ? if want to use that mode daily ? those savings, if enough, would at least cover the cost... can you take it off easy if have to go in for warranty reasons ? will dealership know if you've had one on and give you trouble for any warranty ?
Appreciate the effort but the testing itself is a little misleading. First many customers do run JB4 map3 on 93 octane, but more to the point the JB4 runs were up hill while the Lap3 runs were down hill. That's going to make a huge difference in the results. At the end of the day both tuning systems have similar tuning potential although the JB4 offers more features, lower cost, easier install, and a wider network of tuning support.
Have them test the 2 products all over again with real time and values. Boost, temperatures, launch/stall time creating heat soak. Test and tune drag strip? Its flat there and can show numbers also. Compare a stock car/tune before installations
@@brockhansen880 Honestly it's pointless both systems can produce the same results, the JB4 has 8 maps including a user programmable map that can be set from stock to maxing out the factory turbos. The results are just a function of the settings on either system. Where the JB4 shines is in its features, app integration, lower cost, easier install, superior tuning support.
Vivid Visual are people not watching the same video I am? You’re obviously in the same spot for each run and it’s the draggy software showing diff slopes. Also it’s in the video description. Good job man, from someone paying attention
@@sleepyjordan887 Idk if people are skipping through the video just to see numbers or what lol Thank you for watching! Hope this attempt was to give an exact real world example.
Personally I started out with the jb4 and then moved on to the first version of the lap3. Jb4 seemed better for launch control, but the lap3 imo was much better a roll racing. Either way best comparison I've seen, great job man.
I'll have to live with it a few weeks to get a better feel for what you just said. Good to hear though so I know what to look for! Thank you
Do you think it was worth the upgrade from JB4 to Lap3?
@@Kzxo At the time yes, but now the JB4 has had a lot of upgrades and refinement but so has the new lap3 tuner. I havent used either one. Personally I would go with lap3 just because of familiarity and good experience i had.
@@noneya6679can you remove speed limiter with jb4?
For the difference in price I'm going to stick with my JB4
As someone who owns a JB4 I can confirm that 4.2s are the most consistent runs in 0-60. I have 25lbs wheels on 265s PS4S with SSR downpipes and a Muffler delete, all my runs are done on 91 octane on a GT RWD. However that 4.2s number means almost nothing to me as I've beat plenty of cars off the dig that claim 0-60 in under 4s. I rarely do dig races however, most my encounters are roll races.
I also have a Stinger GT but stock. Had it for nearly 2 years and the car is AMAZING, very happy with it. Came close to beating one of the latest BMW's think it might have been a 4 series, but we had 4 people in my car. Still he was looking at us like wtf?? lol DEFINITELY getting the MODS soon ;)
@@jeffreylewis535 nice man, I raced a BMW M340i and gave him a run for his money I've also raced a couple M3s who thought they'd gap me but never even split
JB4 had the most consistent runs
Hey im thinking about buying a jb4 have you had any problems with it ? I will most likely run just map 2 with upgraded plugs but my main concern is long term reliability. Have you experienced any issues?
Wow, thank you, i live in Montreal and i just bouught my 2020 Gt2 Awd, and i wasn sure with chip tune to choose now i know i will remain with my first choice. JB4 for the run. THANKS A. LOT FOR THIS VIDEO! All hail to Stinger Nation.
Thanks for following this was for sure intended to delivery people some answers!
I have a K5GT 2.5T in Montreal also and definitely get the jb4 also.
Where them likes at! Let's get it for Stingers!
Thanks :)
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I’m running a Custom Map6 on my Stinger and it’s ridiculously fast. Map 1 and Map 2 are decent, but there is a lot more potential with E30 and improved Octane.
I agree but that's not what the average consumer is going to do. For most they just want to install it and play on normal gas.
Great video. Seems like you've got some really great friends from all of your vids. Happy for you my guy!
Have an awesome crew here around me #Blessed
Awesome video guys. I was considering the lap3 but decided to go with jb4 just because of the price difference. I agree completely because I was hands down going to buy the lap3 but then I said to myself there probably wouldn't be much of a difference between them. I am however a veloster N owner sadly I didn't buy a stinger almost did but wanted to do more track days than drag racing. However I don't believe you guys were unfair in your comparison. Great job loved the video.
Love it, thanks for being here!
Enjoyed the video guys! Thanks for taking the time to put this together. I'd also like to see a 1/4 mile comparison and might as well add the Racechip GTS to the competition!
Both these tuners are going to be quicker than the race chip but quarter mile would be nice to see!
As I was doing my research the JB4 seems more promising than the racechip.
Awesome comparison video.. can’t get much better for the real street user!!
Thank you :)
I'm finally going ahead with one and will go with the jB4. Check out my current 1/4 mile runs with my Stinger GT
Great job, I know it's hard to do the exact same sequences to fairly test both ecu's. The difference in the Lap3 falling off on the later runs could be due to a number of factors (stock ecu interfering differently, heat soak, even the humidity / air temps being different from the time you ran the jb4 vs lap. Either way, excellent work!
Man Im up in Milwaukee wouldnt mind chilling with you guys and the Kdmke guys
Stay tuned for our upcoming meets and show up!
Should do a roll race next to see what differences there are then
I could do that, 40 and up.
Thanks for the comparison video. Looking forward to see the widebody. Keep the videos coming.
Super excited about the body kit!
Great Video.!
This was interesting to see a honest test of two comparable performance products for the stinger platform...
Great comparison, I am JB4 WMI stinger and I love it.
I wanna try meth one day but nervous about it!
@@VividVisual Don't be, running JB4 methanol kit for around a year now and haven't had one issue. Install is under 2 hours.
@@balk8595 That's good news!! Thanks for this!
Good video Anthony! Keep them coming
Appreciate the watch!!
THIS is a GREAT video Vivid, nice work
Thanks for tuning in!!!
Excellent video. I hope to see more product review comparison and every car.
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This is cool. Someone needs to do one for the 2.0 as well I’m kinda interested in what can be done with those
Highly doubt the 2.0 users will buy both though to do those runs but would help the community out I agree!
@@VividVisual is the racechip gts not close to any of the two you used?
@@mikeangeski2118 Correct
Damn that's what I need to know... my Stinger 2.0 needs power. With exhaust/intake/ spark plugs think i could run one of these?
@@choyoung7432 2.0 user here, Installed my jb4 last night. I have an Injen intake and ran stock spark plugs stock exhaust last night. Map 1 no issues, I didn’t try map 2. I’ll be installing HKS m45XL spark plugs gapped to .022 tonight.
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Great video, but from experience standing starts aren't the best way to compare differences as the launch can affect the result, a better way is a rolling test, say 30-100 or 60-130 and the best way in may opinion is to do the test in one gear, say 2-nd or 3-rd gear (test acceleration between speeds that correspond to rev range 2000 - 2500 rpm to rev limit)
When will an average consumer go 30-100 or 60-130?
@@VividVisual Аs I understand it, the point of this test is to see if and how much difference there is (in power/ drivability ), and the best way to do it is to minimize the effects of variables like launching, gear shift etc. , you could do it even between say 10-40/50 miles (as this is awd ). Just trying to help as I've bean doing such tests for years on different cars(fwd,rwd,awd,manuals,auto, from 100hp to 600-700hp etc.), and have spent a lot of time trying to get the best and most consistent method.
P.S. if the comparison is meant only for 0-60 then you can disregard what I've written, but that is just part of the story when comparing chips/tunes/tuning boxes/power bands etc.
@@joretoGT1 No that makes sense, yeah most people wanted to see the 0-60 runs because of the hype of doing o-60. I could definitely go over some 10-50 rolls though and touch base on that but I was going to do it in an explanation video. Harder to show that rather than explaining what it feels like as your doing it but definitely agree there are some talking points that I could have covered.
It's not only about 0-60 man that people go with different piggyback tunes. It's the driveability, the way it delivers it's torque, mpg etc. Some people might like the "slower" tune, even if it's only by .2 seconds slower to 60 but it might be better to live with day to day. No stuttering, no off idle stutter, smoother delivery etc. With that said, i love these cars. I have a scatpack charger as my 1st choice to get as my next daily. But a deal falls through, then the stinger gt is my next choice.
That's not the videos focus, and everyone who is watching the video wants to know exactly what I'm showcasing in the video. We all know how they drive, this is mostly to showcase for people who have one or the other and want to know the difference in 0-60 runs. They each drive fine and don't have problems daily driving so there isn't a point to cover that topic.
@@VividVisual No it's a good video, i'm not knocking it but i don't think anyone who has a stinger, and hasn't bought one of these tuners yet, is going to get one based on 0-60 alone. Also on top of that, if we can get technical here, it's not accurate because many factors are being played in between runs. Your tire pressures, heatsoak, gas in the tank etc. Even if it's minuscule you have to take that into account. I bet if you did 6 runs on one tuner you would have came with the same results as opposed to doing 3 of each tune. Or you should have done the average of the 3 runs per tune, and comparing the 2 times. Unless i missed that part in the video.
@@theguy1224 I did 3 runs with the first and 4 runs with the second. If that's the case then there is literally no way to make a perfect video for the community but it was a great attempt.
Great video, JB4 is definitely going on the list 🫦
Thanks for the comparison vid!
Your welcome!
Great video bro 👍
Thanks for being here!
Great comparison, thank you!!
Thanks for the brief comparison.
No problem! Thanks for watching!
what exhaust are you running? sounds really good
borla exhaust with ultimate performance HFC set up and JB4 which helps give it a growl
I would Love to see this compared to a Tork Motorsports ECU Tune Stage 1!
Maybe you guys could do a video collaboration or something? Maybe not?
Anyways I Love your videos, Great Job! Just picked up my Stinger last week!
Its a couple of guys on TH-cam doing 11.8s and 11.7s with mild bolt ons using just pump gas consistently in the 1/4 mile with the tork ecu tune.
A dragy is close but its not a real 1/4 mile imo coming from a 5.0 owner.
At the end of the day the ecu flash tune will perform the best had kia put a legit fuel system on the stinger gt they would be putting down m3 numbers the 3.3l tgdi engine is literally a B58 with slightly better engineering what you have is an over engineered block due to it being the first coming out party in your face performance sedan from kia and genesis (g70) just like BMW did with the n55 same engineers just moved to different brand and middle finger to the other germans
The rods, crank, heads and block is all top grade aluminum the pistons are quality powdered metal material all good for about 800-900hp at the (crank)
Where are all the Chicago/ burb youtubers at??? We need a meet!
I agree would be dope.
Hell yea! Next year ima try to get something together!!
Your follow-up from Iraq, and I have a TH-cam TH-cam special for cars, I hope to experience racing together
Thanks for following!
You have a nice following :)
Of course, yes, because my channel contains more than 68,000 subscribers
@@Hassan2022 built it up, very well done! Consistency is key
I want a Kia Challenge that will deny the Dodge Charger
Hey man, quick question... I have a GT2 with a tune box on the way. Did you upgrade to higher performance (ie Iridium) spark plugs and if so, what did you upgrade to?
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Great video, thank you for the information.
Appreciate you watching!
Great video, thanks for the street comparison. Both cars look and sound amazing!
man I miss your channel!
Thanks, I'll sum up in next video why it's been a while since my last posts
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Did the JB4 have the fuel wires connected too on the grey car ? Great video ! You're probably getting heat soak.
The 4.1s is interesting though... Would the JB4 have had similar results with the slightly late launch control ?
Thank you to your whole team for this video, it's really, really useful !
Yes fuel wires were installed. Didn't know you could get heat soak in cold weather?
It could have but I think that's the best run I've pulled with it.
Thanks for watching :) Information is all that matters here
You can get heat soak in any weather. Ambient temperature will help cool it down quicker, but you will still get heat soak, especially if you do back to back runs without the correct amount of time to cool the car down.
Very interested in the jb4. Would I be able to get away with the stock intercooler? My current mods are injen intake borla exhaust ark mid pipes.
Stock intercooler is fine unless you’re trying to make a TON of power then you’ll need to upgrade. Map 2 is fine with stock intercooler
Will be classic in 20 years
YOU should of 0-120 or 40-120 for the guys that like to do roll race. To squash more doubts on any comparisons.
This is smart! I'll take this into consideration for future videos!
@@VividVisual cool!
I'm a kdm fan so I don't choose any side because of that. I'm stoke that more than one companies are tuning kdm! I don't own any of the newer kdm's. But with all the beef going on I'm really surprised you guys didn't do further test. 0-60 isn't the the only test🤦🏼♂️ and everyone knows that lol. It doesn't prove much. Only acceleration. So many cars/races has been lost at the top end. Get walked down.
I found the test inconclusive. I can't wait for more results. Thank you for taking the time to do this🙏👊
@@philamguambomb This video specifically was aimed toward the average consumer who uses these products for road use. In which case the best real world experience is to go 0-60 because most consumers aren't buying these products to strictly track the car, but to use it as daily driving. So that 0-60 acceleration was to give perspective on everyday use, not just quarter mile track times. I hear what your saying and hopefully can provide more info as time moves forward!
@@VividVisual 👍😎👊
Now time to do the brake mod and see how low that 60’ goes ;)
Plan on trying it ;)
@@VividVisual what mod is that?
@@truittkeeler I believe you cut out a fuse near the ECU or connected to it. You can read about it in the forums
@@truittkeeler you cut the brake signal wire to the ECU, install a switch so you can brake boost. The ecu cuts all power if you press the brake pedal and accelerator at the same time. Makes a big difference in how the car launches, I can consistently get 4 sec 0-60 with brake boosting , 4.2 usually with launch control.
LAP3 is best for the KDM market.
Dragy results are either valid within 1% downhill or invalid. All lap 3 runs were invalid aka downhill while jb4 were valid and slightly uphill. To be fair you would have to run the same direction over the same grade.
Get Stung I’m less worried about the discrepancy with regard to incline as I am with the DA. The Da was outstanding for both, but better for the jb4. I don’t like those DA Correction calculators, but we all know how crucial DA is. But to do a test like this and to eliminate all variables is impossible. I like what they did here. It’s not perfect because it can’t be. But it’s something very useful that they did for us.
Every single run was in the same exact direction at the same exact starting point. Why would we do a video going in different directions??
@@VividVisual Oh OK, just strange the slope was so different. 0-60 is such a short measure. Next time do 1/4 mile it tends to show any differences better as the runs are much longer. If you do the Burger burnout switch you can get that 0-60 to 3.8s with both tuners BTW. :)
@@VividVisual Interesting because the slope given by dragy suggests otherwise. Not saying you didnt just that all the lap 3 runs show negative slope and the jb4 positive. That said, I dont think slope or da on the dragy are that accurate.
@@BurgerMotorsports I figured it was a little misleading because of the distance every run was different slopes, I spoke about it in the edit but took it out because of other things I was side tracking on so didn't include it in the cut, figuring that the people watching understood we were using the same spot in the same location but I guess a few comments are asking for more clarification which is what I was ready to respond to. Also, haven't done the BMS brake mod yet but sincerely look forward to doing that!
Try the tork motor sports spare ecu
Not until stage 2 is out
Thanks for the comparison! Important question: Did you do a set of runs with neither? You also already have intake and exhaust upgrades which can make a difference. I don't know, all in these times aren't drastically better than the stock times put out by the various outlets. It's a decently quick car straight from the factory.
JDubbs07 I think stock data on his car and that street would have been a good baseline. Because my guess is that he would have run worse than advertised stock times without either piggyback.
I said that every car is going to have different results with different mods but this is to show both products on the same car with the same mods :)
Are the tunes intended for stock versions of the Stinger? Your car has aftermarket performance parts, so wouldn’t that cause different results?
Yea I said all cars will have different results but this is to give an idea of the gain differences between the two. You wouldn't be able to use these unless you switched to HKS spark plugs, and then you couldn't go past map 1 unless you started to add intake and exhaust.
This is such a nice car I dream of having one 😁
You can one day ;) easily, especially with depreciation that hit kia's !
I like this video!!!
Thank you!
They recommend doing a dual oil catch as well. Was this done??
please do a video on papi's stinger. im about to do my white stinger with a black roof and powder coat rims
I have a bunch of videos on my channel of his stinger. th-cam.com/video/V6Dt4cg6OlA/w-d-xo.html
And then another thing you should have done was since there is such a big price difference. What is the 0-60 time with the e85 on a JB4 and is that still cheaper? Doing all that than it is getting the lap three because right there would be everything you would most likely achieve faster times by far than a lap three by itself and I bet it's cheaper
What does the car run without these devices? Also any other modifications?
I have a Golf R 2017 with a JB4, it made a huge improvement on that car. I also did draggy testing and stock it did around 4.5-4.8 second 0-60 at 13.1 1/4 @105 MPH. With just the JB4 and nothing else it did 4.0 second 0-60 and 12.4 1/4 at 110 MPH. With just a high flow cat DP, bigger inter-cooler, and K&N drop in filter it now does 0-60 in 3.6-3.8 seconds and 11.9 to 12.0 1/4 mile @ 114 MPH.
I am very happy with the JB4, I cannot see paying $600 more for a different plug in device with more or less the same results. If anything the JB4 seemed a lot more consistent which is a good indicator for reliability. I don't know this other device or what it might offer for double the price but it doesn't seem to be worth the added cost. The JB4 has been used for years on other platforms and has an excellent reputation for reliability and customer service. Plus they have the blue tooth option where you can log data, read codes, fine tune boost and fuel, and monitor engine parameters.
Stock it's 4.7 0-60 times. I have full bolt on actually plus the piggy back so it throws it about .6 sec quicker. I've seen other stingers with different bolt ons running quicker numbers.
@@VividVisual It would be interesting if you could do a full 1/4 mile run because 0-60 isn't the best indicator of power. Looking at your draggy g force data I can see that the Golf hits a lot harder right off the line, probably the difference of the dual clutch vs torque converter transmission, or maybe you were on a really slippery road/tire? Had it just rained recently? because it looked like the road might have been damp? That can make a big difference in traction, some think that if you have AWD that kind of stuff doesn't matter but it does.
@@ericmichel3857 Road was slightly damp for sure and it was cold at the same time. 0-60 test because of real world use, most people aren't doing quarter mile runs on the roads lol
The Lap3 ECU Tune stage 2.5 is miles ahead now in 2022. (Not pro-tuner...ecu tune)
Good, no-nonsense comparison. What other mods are on the car? Intake? Exhaust? I've been considering leasing a Stinger. Would I be able to use the JB4 and remove it without detection (assuming I don't screw something up)? Is it even worth it on a stock GT1?
Yes its worth it and yes you can take it off and your back to normal again. If you want more power than do it man
@@vroomgc Good to know.
Is it not a good idea to use a piggyback tune if your car is your EDD? What map can you run the JB4 on with only 91 octane?
Map 2. And so far with about 18k miles with the tunes it's been fine.
@@VividVisual Factory plugs or upgraded?
@@streamaid9934 upgraded to www.k8stingerstore.com/products/hks-m45il-spark-plugs?_pos=1&_sid=089be29d5&_ss=r
What is EDD?
What is EDD?
Heat soak on the second tuner could have been an issue too. But that’s crazy for almost double the price and you get half a second faster launch? Not worth it if you ask me
Can we see a ecu tune next?
I would love to participate in an ECU tune shooot out against these piggy backs :)
I need a Lap3 Stinger and an ECU tune Stinger to compete against. Spoiler alert: I plan on winning. Lol
@@KatoTheKiaStinger um... dragy times say different :) Oh wait, we don't even have methanol on the AWD car or the RWD car yet and Dragy results are starting to show interesting results.
John Bushbaum so you’re saying you want to fly me out for a race? That’s what I think you’re saying. Lol. I’d fly myself out, but I’m on a budget... new baby and all. I am not a fan of Dragy comparisons, however. I like organized drag races with lights, lasers, and spectators. Ask around... Kato wins car to car and his driver is the best around. That being said, I am honestly interested and excited to see what y’all run at a track with whatever you’ve been doing over there with your Stingers. I’m all about the community. A win for the bee is a win for the hive.
Yea I plan on tuning it soon but not during the winter ;)
What exhaust setup are you running, that sounds so good.
Borla exhaust with ultimate performance primary and secondaries!
www.k8stingerstore.com/products/borla-exhaust?_pos=2&_sid=ab27698c8&_ss=r
www.k8stingerstore.com/products/ultimate-performance-dp-mp-kit?_pos=2&_sid=e32f084c2&_ss=r
Damm guess I'm dropping 1100$ on that exhaust 😅
@@dubclokz Do it
Your car is sounding really different as compared to the demo on kiastingerstore!. Have you done anything else except the borla exhaust switch
@@Hotshot97 Ultimate performance pipes
www.k8stingerstore.com/products/ultimate-performance-dp-mp-kit?_pos=2&_sid=e71c650bc&_ss=r
What is the App your using on your phone to track the times ?
Draggy
Wait!!! Before watching let me like the video.
That's a fire comment right there
What did you gap your spark plugs to run the Lap3 and JB4?
Should compare this to unichip
Awww man don't make me buy another one haha
Would like to see unichip also, I'm contempting going the UC
@@jaycevdb UC is slower then each of these
Awesome man, what app you using?
To record the times? Dragy
Yes , thank you.
Bro can you provide a link for the exact window guards / vent visors / wind deflectors. Whatever you wanna call it. I love your videos BTW but I need those in my life!!!
engine getting hot
Wouldn't think so. JB4 did just fine with no issues
You were over a 1% downslope on the lap3 pulls and like 4 percent downhill on another lap3 lol...you were a slight uphill on all the jb4 times
I know. Clearly not taking off from the same spot. The big invalid sign on the top right should mean something
We are bacccccc🔥🔥🔥🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Hahahaha yessssssirrrrr
Probably won’t get a response. But what exhaust is the car running?
Thinking about the 2022 gt2 with 🦂.. I'm in the chi also. Need to give my escalade a rest too many miles and gas is a beeeeyotch plus new job location easy to get to but no easy way home in afternoon traffic need a better fuel efficient car. But I want some power also 😂 and I will drive in winter so a charger is out don't like the charger gt
I have the sunset yellow stinger GT 2018
0 to 60 is very sensitive to conditions/surface/tires/ Temps. There is just too many confounding factors to measure a tune based on that. A roll race would take care of most of these problems and gives a wider window for comparison.
I am disappointed that you do not know this already. If you are into tuning you should be aware of this.
Any long-term opinions about these?
Did you guys run these tests using an external GPS or the GPS in your phone?
Draggy app
What kind of color is your car paint sir? Thanks for the video!!
The paint color Ceramic Silver. Its a stock color.
So from some comments it looks like JB4 is a pretty good tune then for Stingers?
lap3 test are on more downhill than jb4 . that would havs effect on the 0-60 forsure.
where is the Racechip? Racechip vs Lap3 V2 can be really nice Comparision
I'll have to invest in it I guess haha
I am just wondering what phone app do you use for 0-60MPH
How is nobody going to mention that the JB4 runs were all Valid with minimal slope. And all Lap3 runs were Invalid with crazy downhill % slopes.
hi I'm thinking in getting JB4 for my stinger every one says its the best.i noticed you're using your phone to set maps etc. did you have to buy the JB4 Wireless Mobile Connect Kit -- in order for the phone to work with jb4?
Warranty 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈
How can you guys do all this will your warranty still be ok or is it all void??????
I was wondering if that voids the warranty also
Dumbass 👏🏻jb4 👏🏻does 👏🏻not 👏🏻void 👏🏻warranty👏🏻 so sit down
Beautiful car!!!! dang.
93 octane is kind of hit or miss in my area. Are the 91 Octane tunes with supporting mods (intake and full turbo back) going to get solid numbers?
Search up tork motor sports, I believe they do some testing on 91
When you coming to cali?
lol I just got back Friday
Ahh mann!
@@p_ricojl2875 I'll come out in Jan or Feb for a week
@@VividVisual ill keep an eye if you come in January, there is a KDM meet
I love my GT.
why arent there flash tunes?
Spark plug swap is a must for the JB4?
You can regap the original plugs and they’d do fair.
4.275 map 2
I need an exhaust
True story
The white car's cold start was solid, right ? I get all excited when my Stinger starts in the morning with the stock exhaust lol.
Which Map you drive in the jb4?
I don't get the E symbol.. I'm told it's a Kia thing, but it's not a K or S or anything really ?? If I change mine, it'll be to say Stinger or GT.. Nice Runs !! I don't really race it and want to go to the track starting coming spring 1-2 per year just for fun.. so iffy on if I care about getting tunes and stuff... not going to use it every day.... do they have eco modes that actually save you even more $$ on fuel than stock ? if want to use that mode daily ? those savings, if enough, would at least cover the cost... can you take it off easy if have to go in for warranty reasons ? will dealership know if you've had one on and give you trouble for any warranty ?
Jb4 is constantly good
Appreciate the effort but the testing itself is a little misleading. First many customers do run JB4 map3 on 93 octane, but more to the point the JB4 runs were up hill while the Lap3 runs were down hill. That's going to make a huge difference in the results. At the end of the day both tuning systems have similar tuning potential although the JB4 offers more features, lower cost, easier install, and a wider network of tuning support.
Have them test the 2 products all over again with real time and values. Boost, temperatures, launch/stall time creating heat soak. Test and tune drag strip? Its flat there and can show numbers also. Compare a stock car/tune before installations
@@brockhansen880 Honestly it's pointless both systems can produce the same results, the JB4 has 8 maps including a user programmable map that can be set from stock to maxing out the factory turbos. The results are just a function of the settings on either system. Where the JB4 shines is in its features, app integration, lower cost, easier install, superior tuning support.
I ran both products at the exact same spot going the exact same directly. Nothing is invalid here except the draggy slopes.
Vivid Visual are people not watching the same video I am? You’re obviously in the same spot for each run and it’s the draggy software showing diff slopes. Also it’s in the video description. Good job man, from someone paying attention
@@sleepyjordan887 Idk if people are skipping through the video just to see numbers or what lol Thank you for watching! Hope this attempt was to give an exact real world example.
Doesn't jb4 tunes blows motors after a longer use
So do both tunes set themselves?
stack both tuners...?