I’ll never forget my reaction to my first time reading prims death. I was just stunned and silent until we see katniss start reacting, especially the part where she’s yelling at buttercup. That’s what drove me to tears, the portrayal of grief and sorrow. It was so powerful to me.
Somehow, you verbally piecing together what exactly Prim went through and how she died healing people hit me more than it did in the movie. It's so intense how it feels like Katniss saving Panem was a failure. A hero in the eyes of millions, but a failure in her own.
Yeah know I never really thought about that whole “what does your main character really want, and never let them get it” until this video. That’s really something to think about every time a read a new novel
It’s especially sad because if it weren’t for prims death coin would’ve been president and panem and nothing would have changed for the people they would still be under a dictatorship. I’m sure a “symbolic hunger games” would have happened anyway knowing katniss and haymitch would’ve voted against it if prim didn’t die. So it had to happen
There’s no way anybody can convince me that President Coin didn’t purposefully set up Prim’s death. At Prim’s age Coin would’ve had to sign off for her to be allowed in a medical unit (during an active war situation especially). If Katniss didn’t die storming the Capitol then she’d be demolished with the death of Prim. Coin wanted Katniss destoyed so she could use either Katniss’s rage or her apathy (whatever developed) to allow Coin to restart the Games and take control without Katniss meddling. And Katniss did get a world safer for Prim. It just wasn’t Prim her sister but Prim her daughter.
She may have also been concerned that Prim would take up the baton, after Katniss is dead or disabled, or otherwise be a nexus of rebellion -- it was intended to wipe out the bloodline !!!
Prim’s death was such a gut punch when I first read the books. Out of all the heroines in young adult books, I related to Katniss the most. Not because of her personality or awesomeness, but because I’m a big sister to a much younger one. We had a relationship very similar to Katniss and Prim. We had a rough childhood, and I took care of her a lot. I totally would have volunteered as tribute without a second thought. I had to set the book aside for awhile when Prim died. I couldn’t handle the concept of what losing my little sister would be like.
Coming from an older sibling that has gone through trauma with siblings I felt Katniss' pain throughout my reading experience but also just in life. Remembering that life isn't picture perfect. I think another thing that resonated with me was Johanna as a character. So steely and vicious but underneath she, like many others, was tortured by the Capitol and forced into a box. I just remember feeling her pain when I read and watched the movies. Sorry this is a long comment I just love your Hunger Games month so much!
It was Prim's death that made me realise Katniss' superobjective to save her sister. It's brutal and Katniss couldnt do a thing. As if both hunger games experiences were for nothing. Katniss knew after winning her family may be at risk so she kept trying to protect them and played whatever role she needed to. And still.... brutal. Great video.
This video is interesting, I had always thought of it through the perspective of Johanna and how they "took everything from her" to the point she didn't care what people thought anymore, and that this was that moment for Katniss in which she was broken and finished emotionally, willing to do anything at any cost to stop the horrors and atrocities by both sides of the same "coin".
I find it interesting that you didn't mention how prim was a year too young to be on the front lines and was not a doctor or a medic at the time, merely learning.
The series is definitely not everybody's cup of tea lol. I really like anything that is fantasy or post-apocalyptic. I truly love your content keep on making it.
I'm wondering more about how much Gale knew. And what that plan was. Because I only saw the movie which does a poor job at properly telling the story with everything covered.
Great video! I was shocked and devastated when she died. Which was so strange because like you, I hadn't really connected to Prim. Collins lulled me into believing she was safe and I hadn't even considered that she would be in danger at that point of the story! The whole series was the capital or Snow that was the direct threat to Prim, out of nowhere Coin comes in and is the one responsible for her death. One thing I wish the movies did mention from the books was that in District 13 citizens were called soldiers at age 15/16, but Prim was only 14. She should have never been at the front lines of a war even if she had been training as a doctor... When reading that part I actually felt anger and hatred for Coin. She obviously did that shit on purpose. And Katniss knew it. The books were so great!! I think the movies couldve made that more apparent and it would've been clearer why Katniss wanted to kill Coin more than Snow with her arrow.
Discovered your channel about sixth months ago… blown away with how eloquent and sincere you are! You find the deeper meaning in everything, your voice is so soothing to listen to, and you’re passionate about stories and your faith. Wow, I feel like we could be besties 🤣Love your content, especially your Harry Potter and Hunger Games. May the Odds be ever in your favor!
I always thought Prim had to die because everyone loses something in war. That's the price of war and it wouldn't have made sense if Katniss got out of it with everything. Its the same reason Jack had to die in Titanic. If he didn't then the sinking would have been seen as a good thing because it brought Rose and Jack together.
It took me some time to actually watch this video, but this was good! I love how it has such a good structure and how you analyze all the details! Great video :)
Too many small parts I love that didn't make it to the movies. Like when effie refers to 12 as barbaric. Or how katniss called an orange a special treat.
Remember that Katniss was only 17 at the time her sister died so she has a ton of hormones going through her body and she didn’t want the death ☠️ to affect her I really think she wanted Prim to die in her 🛌 next to her sister and mother
Prim was my favorite character when i first read the books at age 12 ish. Im re reading the series now about 10 years later and she still is my favorite. It hits especially hard nowadays because I lost a sibling to a tragic death too. I sobbed sooo hard when i first saw her death at the movie theater & im not ready to relive it through the books again 😭 It is the most hard hitting thing emotionally through the series for me. It was all for Prim.
Just found this channel tonight and watched all the HG vids. If you were in the hunger games how would you tactically maximise your chances from the moment your name is drawn out at the reaping to raise your chances of winning? I'd love a video breaking that down. Also I really love Finnick as a character, I know he is touched on in the book and there's a lot to it that the movie fans wouldn't realise, but also the fact that he was the youngest ever victor is really interesting and seeing you touch on him would be cool. Watching your vids (besides the latest prequel) it seems like the idea of there being anymore Hunger Games universe books isn't appealing to you but I would love to see Finnick's Hunger games from his perspective made into a book or film one day, he is too epic of a character not to wonder about the full picture.
Have you ever read Swann's Way? Your lovely comments on the power of reading to change you reminded me of a bit in it where the main character talks about why he loves reading so much. It's quite long, so please forgive me, but it's exactly the kind of thing you were talking about. It goes - "Those afternoons contained more dramatic events than does, often, an entire lifetime. These were the events taking place in the book I was reading; it is true that the people affected by them were not "real," as Francoise said. But all the feelings we are made to experience by the joy or the misfortune of a real person are produced in us only through the intermediary of an image of that joy or that misfortune; the ingeniousness of the first novelist consisted in understanding that in the apparatus of our emotions, the image being the only essential element, the simplification that would consist in purely and simply abolishing real people would be a decisive improvement. A real human being, however profoundly we sympathize with him, is in large part perceived by our senses... if a calamity should strike him, it is only in a small part of the total notion we have of him that we will be able to be moved by this; even more, it is only in a part of the total notion he has of himself that he will be able to be moved himself. The novelist's happy discovery was to have the idea of replacing these parts, impenetrable to the soul, by an equal quantity of immaterial parts... which our soul can assimilate... And once the novelist has put us in that state... he provokes in us within one hour all possible happinesses and all possible unhappinesses just a few of which we would spend years of our lives coming to know and the most intense of which would never be revealed to us because the slowness with which they occur prevents us from perceiving them..." I cut it down a bit so you weren't swamped with too long comments haha, but our connection to protagonists that you were talking about reminded me of this deconstruction of why fiction works for us. It's a really good book. Lovely vid.
I am certain even if you didn’t read Divergent you know that Tris the main character ultimately dies but I think what you said the whole don’t let your protagonist have it is why she had to die. It was one of the most painful deaths I ever read only because I never witnessed YOUR OWN PROTAGONIST dying in a novel but all she wanted to do was die through all the things she went to and when she finally sees the light and optimism of life she dies. it’s one of the most poetic deaths that still makes me cry. People always cringe at Divergent series but I’m curious to know if you ever read or gave the series a try (movies flop and don’t do the story justice) and if you did would love to see you go through the emotions of that series!
i read the series this year for the second time bc in the first i was too intoxicated by the movies (which i don't like very much and so the books became just as boring for me) and my sister spoiled me without realising i said i remebered a few things from my previous read (which i did about 8 years ago) and she looks at the catching fire in my hand and says "is this the one where prim dies?" we were at the mall i just stopped, looked and her and said "prim dies?" and she was like oops anyways thats my opinion on prim's death, i read 2 of the 3 books expecting her to die so when she did i was just oh there she goes
Omg I hear you re reacting to books. Hugh Jackman’s earlier work, paperback hero has a scene where he is confronted in a restaurant by Claudia Karvan’s character for killing somebody in his book. She’s in tears… you can tell the people around them think he really killed a guy 😂 don’t we all wish we can have that moment… even just once.
I would like to know your opinions on rebellion in the context of the United States and modern times you seem fairly knowledgeable on the subject would love any input thank you
Well, I've definitely hinted to my thoughts on that in previous videos (mostly from last year, I think). I tend to keep that in the shadows though as I'm still researching and learning. I also try to keep politics out of my videos, but with this series (as I'm sure you can imagine), it's hard not to find the similarities and desire to discuss them. I will say this: how I view this series in light of US does not follow how mainstream media or celebrities would twist it to be. Thank you for watching and for your comment!
I’ll never forget my reaction to my first time reading prims death. I was just stunned and silent until we see katniss start reacting, especially the part where she’s yelling at buttercup. That’s what drove me to tears, the portrayal of grief and sorrow. It was so powerful to me.
Somehow, you verbally piecing together what exactly Prim went through and how she died healing people hit me more than it did in the movie.
It's so intense how it feels like Katniss saving Panem was a failure. A hero in the eyes of millions, but a failure in her own.
Yeah know I never really thought about that whole “what does your main character really want, and never let them get it” until this video. That’s really something to think about every time a read a new novel
It’s especially sad because if it weren’t for prims death coin would’ve been president and panem and nothing would have changed for the people they would still be under a dictatorship. I’m sure a “symbolic hunger games” would have happened anyway knowing katniss and haymitch would’ve voted against it if prim didn’t die. So it had to happen
There’s no way anybody can convince me that President Coin didn’t purposefully set up Prim’s death. At Prim’s age Coin would’ve had to sign off for her to be allowed in a medical unit (during an active war situation especially). If Katniss didn’t die storming the Capitol then she’d be demolished with the death of Prim. Coin wanted Katniss destoyed so she could use either Katniss’s rage or her apathy (whatever developed) to allow Coin to restart the Games and take control without Katniss meddling.
And Katniss did get a world safer for Prim. It just wasn’t Prim her sister but Prim her daughter.
She may have also been concerned that Prim would take up the baton, after Katniss is dead or disabled, or otherwise be a nexus of rebellion -- it was intended to wipe out the bloodline !!!
Prim’s death was such a gut punch when I first read the books. Out of all the heroines in young adult books, I related to Katniss the most. Not because of her personality or awesomeness, but because I’m a big sister to a much younger one. We had a relationship very similar to Katniss and Prim. We had a rough childhood, and I took care of her a lot. I totally would have volunteered as tribute without a second thought. I had to set the book aside for awhile when Prim died. I couldn’t handle the concept of what losing my little sister would be like.
Coming from an older sibling that has gone through trauma with siblings I felt Katniss' pain throughout my reading experience but also just in life. Remembering that life isn't picture perfect.
I think another thing that resonated with me was Johanna as a character. So steely and vicious but underneath she, like many others, was tortured by the Capitol and forced into a box. I just remember feeling her pain when I read and watched the movies.
Sorry this is a long comment I just love your Hunger Games month so much!
It was Prim's death that made me realise Katniss' superobjective to save her sister. It's brutal and Katniss couldnt do a thing. As if both hunger games experiences were for nothing. Katniss knew after winning her family may be at risk so she kept trying to protect them and played whatever role she needed to. And still.... brutal.
Great video.
This video is interesting, I had always thought of it through the perspective of Johanna and how they "took everything from her" to the point she didn't care what people thought anymore, and that this was that moment for Katniss in which she was broken and finished emotionally, willing to do anything at any cost to stop the horrors and atrocities by both sides of the same "coin".
We love the double braids to honor Prim.
That was totally unplanned too lol
@@TheGeekApprentice I totally forgot that Prim had the double braids
I find it interesting that you didn't mention how prim was a year too young to be on the front lines and was not a doctor or a medic at the time, merely learning.
Katniss did all that just for Prim to be reaped, not by the capitol, but by Alma Coin. Just gut wrenching.
Prim hit me hard. I recently just did the divergent series and with no spoilers. There is a death in that series that hit me the same way as prim
Oh I know which one you're talking about, I can't sympathize though cause I didn't like the series or that character :P
@@TheGeekApprentice I really think that Finnick was the death that hit me hard besides Prim and Rue
The series is definitely not everybody's cup of tea lol. I really like anything that is fantasy or post-apocalyptic. I truly love your content keep on making it.
Prim’s death was the only time I cried reading a book/watching a movie. And I already knew she dies
I'm wondering more about how much Gale knew. And what that plan was. Because I only saw the movie which does a poor job at properly telling the story with everything covered.
Great video! I was shocked and devastated when she died. Which was so strange because like you, I hadn't really connected to Prim.
Collins lulled me into believing she was safe and I hadn't even considered that she would be in danger at that point of the story!
The whole series was the capital or Snow that was the direct threat to Prim, out of nowhere Coin comes in and is the one responsible for her death.
One thing I wish the movies did mention from the books was that in District 13 citizens were called soldiers at age 15/16, but Prim was only 14. She should have never been at the front lines of a war even if she had been training as a doctor...
When reading that part I actually felt anger and hatred for Coin. She obviously did that shit on purpose. And Katniss knew it.
The books were so great!! I think the movies couldve made that more apparent and it would've been clearer why Katniss wanted to kill Coin more than Snow with her arrow.
Discovered your channel about sixth months ago… blown away with how eloquent and sincere you are! You find the deeper meaning in everything, your voice is so soothing to listen to, and you’re passionate about stories and your faith. Wow, I feel like we could be besties 🤣Love your content, especially your Harry Potter and Hunger Games. May the Odds be ever in your favor!
You're too kind! Thank you!! God bless!
You as well! I’m not Catholic, but I’m a strong Christian and I love finding other people who are passionate about their faith-and love good books! 🧡😋
I always thought Prim had to die because everyone loses something in war. That's the price of war and it wouldn't have made sense if Katniss got out of it with everything. Its the same reason Jack had to die in Titanic. If he didn't then the sinking would have been seen as a good thing because it brought Rose and Jack together.
don't forget ashoka losing Anakin and obi wan
I saw Finnick’s death and that shook me the fact that he was about to have a son is so messed up
It took me some time to actually watch this video, but this was good! I love how it has such a good structure and how you analyze all the details! Great video :)
Too many small parts I love that didn't make it to the movies. Like when effie refers to 12 as barbaric. Or how katniss called an orange a special treat.
Remember that Katniss was only 17 at the time her sister died so she has a ton of hormones going through her body and she didn’t want the death ☠️ to affect her I really think she wanted Prim to die in her 🛌 next to her sister and mother
The book death that hit me the hardest was Ragnar Volaris from Redrising
I threw my book when Prim died and I quit reading
😢she deserves to be alive that feeling of anger sadness reminds me of fives
Prim was my favorite character when i first read the books at age 12 ish. Im re reading the series now about 10 years later and she still is my favorite. It hits especially hard nowadays because I lost a sibling to a tragic death too. I sobbed sooo hard when i first saw her death at the movie theater & im not ready to relive it through the books again 😭 It is the most hard hitting thing emotionally through the series for me. It was all for Prim.
I remember where I was sitting in fifth grade when I was crying my dang eyes out about finnick and prim. Eager to reread it now that I’m grown
Just found this channel tonight and watched all the HG vids. If you were in the hunger games how would you tactically maximise your chances from the moment your name is drawn out at the reaping to raise your chances of winning? I'd love a video breaking that down. Also I really love Finnick as a character, I know he is touched on in the book and there's a lot to it that the movie fans wouldn't realise, but also the fact that he was the youngest ever victor is really interesting and seeing you touch on him would be cool. Watching your vids (besides the latest prequel) it seems like the idea of there being anymore Hunger Games universe books isn't appealing to you but I would love to see Finnick's Hunger games from his perspective made into a book or film one day, he is too epic of a character not to wonder about the full picture.
Have you ever read Swann's Way? Your lovely comments on the power of reading to change you reminded me of a bit in it where the main character talks about why he loves reading so much. It's quite long, so please forgive me, but it's exactly the kind of thing you were talking about. It goes -
"Those afternoons contained more dramatic events than does, often, an entire lifetime. These were the events taking place in the book I was reading; it is true that the people affected by them were not "real," as Francoise said. But all the feelings we are made to experience by the joy or the misfortune of a real person are produced in us only through the intermediary of an image of that joy or that misfortune; the ingeniousness of the first novelist consisted in understanding that in the apparatus of our emotions, the image being the only essential element, the simplification that would consist in purely and simply abolishing real people would be a decisive improvement.
A real human being, however profoundly we sympathize with him, is in large part perceived by our senses... if a calamity should strike him, it is only in a small part of the total notion we have of him that we will be able to be moved by this; even more, it is only in a part of the total notion he has of himself that he will be able to be moved himself. The novelist's happy discovery was to have the idea of replacing these parts, impenetrable to the soul, by an equal quantity of immaterial parts... which our soul can assimilate... And once the novelist has put us in that state... he provokes in us within one hour all possible happinesses and all possible unhappinesses just a few of which we would spend years of our lives coming to know and the most intense of which would never be revealed to us because the slowness with which they occur prevents us from perceiving them..."
I cut it down a bit so you weren't swamped with too long comments haha, but our connection to protagonists that you were talking about reminded me of this deconstruction of why fiction works for us. It's a really good book. Lovely vid.
I am certain even if you didn’t read Divergent you know that Tris the main character ultimately dies but I think what you said the whole don’t let your protagonist have it is why she had to die. It was one of the most painful deaths I ever read only because I never witnessed YOUR OWN PROTAGONIST dying in a novel but all she wanted to do was die through all the things she went to and when she finally sees the light and optimism of life she dies. it’s one of the most poetic deaths that still makes me cry. People always cringe at Divergent series but I’m curious to know if you ever read or gave the series a try (movies flop and don’t do the story justice) and if you did would love to see you go through the emotions of that series!
It just dawned on me. Prim died in the 76th Hunger Game.
i read the series this year for the second time bc in the first i was too intoxicated by the movies (which i don't like very much and so the books became just as boring for me) and my sister spoiled me without realising
i said i remebered a few things from my previous read (which i did about 8 years ago) and she looks at the catching fire in my hand and says "is this the one where prim dies?" we were at the mall i just stopped, looked and her and said "prim dies?" and she was like oops
anyways thats my opinion on prim's death, i read 2 of the 3 books expecting her to die so when she did i was just oh there she goes
Omg I hear you re reacting to books. Hugh Jackman’s earlier work, paperback hero has a scene where he is confronted in a restaurant by Claudia Karvan’s character for killing somebody in his book. She’s in tears… you can tell the people around them think he really killed a guy 😂 don’t we all wish we can have that moment… even just once.
Mrs. Everdeen became "distant and unreachable"? Why didn't you just simply state that she had succumbed to depression?
I quoted the book. Most I imagine understand what that meant.
"Increasingly relevant" is right...
first glimpse into the video and for a micro second I actually thought the girl was the actress of Prim
I would like to know your opinions on rebellion in the context of the United States and modern times you seem fairly knowledgeable on the subject would love any input thank you
Well, I've definitely hinted to my thoughts on that in previous videos (mostly from last year, I think). I tend to keep that in the shadows though as I'm still researching and learning. I also try to keep politics out of my videos, but with this series (as I'm sure you can imagine), it's hard not to find the similarities and desire to discuss them.
I will say this: how I view this series in light of US does not follow how mainstream media or celebrities would twist it to be.
Thank you for watching and for your comment!
@@TheGeekApprentice I have much respect for you thank you for your words
Love these deep down analysis
😢prim death reminded me of fives death from star wars
😢😢😢😢why couldn't prim survived,reminds you of star wars prequels
First!
Just say its because she's cute