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Have you noticed the parallel between Jon and Joffrey? Everyone thought Jon was a bastard, but he's really a king. Everyone thought Joffrey was a king, but he was really a bastard.
Holy Cow! I have watched the full eight seasons more than once and I have gotten deep into the show, but I never connected that concept, because they never interacted in the show. 😮🤯 Thank you kind Sir! 😁😎
@@BewareTheJabberwock You're welcome. I admit it's not originally my own observation, I think it was some other TH-cam commenter who made that connection. I just thought it was an interesting thing to notice. GoT is a deep and complex show indeed.
Still Joffrey died a king but Jon will sadly die a bastard (even in books)
@@AnkitSingh-cd7tw I suppose that may depend on whether or not G.R.R Martin ever finishes writing the next ASOIAF novel. I don't know. Books like that are too long for me to be interested in reading them.
there is a really nice forshadowing sentence in the first book, when king Robert is at Winterfell with his family. Jon isn't allowed to practice sword fight with Joeffrey and Tommen like Robb and Bran do because "a bastard isnt worth to fight against a prince" (or something ike that)
My guess is Ned would tell Jon Snow about his parents right before or after he took the oath to the Night Watch. Once Jon Snow renounced all titles and lands, he would be safe.
I also like the theory that Benjen helped Lyanna escape to the Tower of Joy.
5:11 he absolutely would have kept his word. if the time had ever come, Jon would’ve been bound by his Nights Watch vows so any threat of his claim to the throne would be irrelevant. Ned knew the Nights Watch was the safest place Jon could be
When Ned had to choose between honor/duty and family, he chose family. He "dishonored" himself by pretending that he cheated on his wife to protect Jon. He dishonored himself by pleading guilty to treason (right before he was executed) to protect his daughters. I think the morale of the story is you can have your principles, your morals etc., but when it comes down to it, nothing is more important than family.
isn't sacrificing your own "honor" and even your life for your family one of the most honorable things someone can do?
he dishonored catelyn
@@MiguelStinson88 exactly
Also, there is a lot of foreshadowing. 1st episode, when they find a dead direwolf and stag where each dead animal represents either house Stark or Baratheon. Both Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon ended up dead like the two dead animals.
Spoiler Alert!!!!
This video is so masterfully done, not just in how it presents the evidence for Jon's identity, but also the way presenting Ned's choice and sacrifice at the end of it, ends up forshadowing Jon's choice and sacrifice. Because although he is Rhaegar's son, more than anything or anyone, he is Ned's son in every way that matters.
I think he would have told Jon, absolutely. Ned keeps his word after all, and he promised Jon, he takes promises and oaths etc very seriously. Second to that, once he was safely at the wall where he had renounced his name and titles, lands etc, he would not be able to claim the Throne so Ned would be secure in the knowledge that telling him wouldn't start a war. What I really want to know, is if Benjen was aware of his identity as well. I'm positive Ned confided in his brother.
This vid is from after S5, but another clue was S6 is that, when Arya is training and says she has 4 brothers, she gets a swat that that is a lie. She has to modify her answer to 3 brothers + Jon.
The part of the story in the show that is missing is the Saga of the Knight of the Laughing Tree. If it is true that Lyanna was in fact the Knight of the Laughing Tree and Rhaegar, who was sent to find him/her, did indeed find her...it adds to the answer to the question of 'Why'. awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Knight_of_the_Laughing_Tree
Thank you for actually taking the video in and waiting til the end to react. So many other reactors talk at key points in these videos, like Littlefinger’s look to Sansa.
How many man cheat their wife and hide---many
How many didn't cheat their wife still accepts cheating?----only one Ned stark😭😭
how many bring home babies and NOT tell his wife, where he came from, and then never mention it again?
for 15 years?
At 4:12 - In the season one scene where Sam and Jon are talking - carved into one of the wooden columns behind them are the letters "R" and "L". Weird. i.imgur.com/ZRMNYxr.png
There are so many little things like that that I missed. I read about that scene with the R & L but I totally forgot to point it out to her. Nice catch! Thanks victorsixtythree
Ebonheart Pact in the context that it was carved by a character in the story it is weird, if it was carved just as an Easter egg for viewers then not weird!
Ebonheart Pact nothing says that, however given they are documented to have gone South its fair to say it is extremely unlikely that Rhaegar passed Robert and Ned’s territory and further North to the Wall following the tournament at Harrenhall. Of course Lyanna is even less likely to have visited Castle Black as despite the number of woman there during the later seasons, Westerosi women very rarely visited the Wall. She could have visited in disguise I suppose but to openly carve initials in the post within a common room frequented by the men of the Nights Watch similarly seems unlikely to me!
Ebonheart Pact you are right, perhaps they jumped on a dragon and flew over Robert and Ned’s armies, after all there is no evidence they didn’t!
This vid made me so emotional. lol To my shock, it made me realise that when Ned was so opposed about Robert killing the Targaryen girl, he was thinking of Jon too. When Ned was wanting to the L when he had his head cut off, he was not only protecting his daughters but Jon also. He died keeping the secret to the grave.
About Baelish, I think he's the one that spread the lies about Rhaegar kidnaping Lyanna and raping her. I mean it all adds up. How has this lie been created and why? Baelish hated Brandon Stark who had injured him in battle cause Baelish loved Cat. Then after the "kidnaping" of Lyanna, the kingdom goes to Hell, pissed off Brandon Stark goes to King's Landing and he is burned alive by the Mad King. Maybe Baelish convinced Rhaegar and Lyanna to escape together. Then spread the lie. And who knows, maybe he could have sent a letter to KL to the Mad King himself passing himself as a Stark saying "we're coming for you" or something like that, making the MK even more paranoid.
3:20 actually there are theories that say littlefinger had a part in telling Neds older brother Brandon Stark that Raegher "kidnapped" Lyanna despite him knowing the truth of their love just to create his famous ladder.
Pardon the rambling ass TL:DR 😂 but this is how I explained R+L=J to a friend after the season 6 reveal as it leaves us with Jon's parentage, but not his status:
Me : So from the very start of the show, we heard of Robert's Rebellion that took down the Targeryan Dynasty. For the most part the story is told from the Baratheon/Stark viewpoint. But what if that's just one side of the coin? After the Rebellion, the story spread that Rhaegar Targeryan kidnapped & raped Lyanna. But what if this is just a case of 'history is written by winners'? In S1 we saw just how much Robert hated the Targeryans(with some justification), he didn't do anything about Tywin slaughtering all the Targeryan children. If you remember the very first scenes of Episode 1, we saw Robert & Ned in the crypts of Winterfell in front of Lyanna's statue with Robert raging about killing Rhaegar in his dreams every night cause he took his betrothed Lyanna away from him. But what if that was all jealousy & spite, what if Lyanna didn't actually love Robert? We took Robert & Ned's version of the Rebellion for granted cause the show painted them as infallible heroes from the jump, but....
Friend : But what if they were covering up a lie the whole time?
Me : And what lie is that?
Friend : That Lyanna & Rhaegar loved each other. Hmm..but would Robert go out of his way to kill bastards who are not in the line of succession & so were not a threat to him?
Me : Joffrey did.
Friend : But Robert never came across like that. He had somewhat of a moral compass. He could still be reasonsed with. Like he spared Dany.
Me : True. But is there something that would make sure Robert kills Jon?
Friend : If Jon is not a bastard.
Me : So what, he's still a vertically challenged border patrol agent with 1 facial expression throughout 8 seasons 😂😂😂
😂😂 Lol. Very true!
That's waaay better than anything I said. Lol. I'm certainly no GOT expert & I'm just not good at explaining things, I guess....boy, I really didn't think this through.
😒😉😂 Thanks H OC
Jon is more than a bastard, he's a great bastard because both his parents were from noble houses. They called him the White Wolf in 6x10 because in their history, sometimes bastards started their own houses and it was common for them to invert the colors on the sigil of their parents' house. And the Stark sigil is a gray wolf on white field, so it would be a white wolf for him. Big clue in the very first episode, giving Ghost to Jon.
They missed an opportunity there after the Battle of the Bastards, when the Stark banner is unfurled over the battlements, it's the old Stark sigil. It should have been a white wolf on a black background. A minor bit of symbology, but it would have been cool to see. I wish we could have seen Jon wearing his crown as well, another minor thing but it would have been interesting.
What really moves me about this video compilation is that Maester Amon tells Jon that sometimes a man will have to choose the ones he loves over honor. That statement perfectly described Ned Stark. He allowed people to believe he wasn’t faithful to his wife because he loved his sister and it was her dying wish that he protect Jon. Ned also publicly dishonored himself to keep his family safe, but was killed by Joffrey. The last thing Ned does before he is killed - as all of the background noise fades away, is look to the statue of Baelor to confirm his friend saved Arya and that she wouldn’t have to watch him die. Heartbreaking. 😢❤️
I lost it at 12:26!! Her mind was blown. I was waiting for her to get it with the way you were explaining it. I LOVE your reactions vids
I think Ned actually was planning to explain to Jon his background after he took his night watch vows, knowing Jon wouldn’t press his claim to the throne after taking the black
I discovered your channel last week, and since then I have gone back and watched every single one of your GoT reactions. You two are a HOOT! 😂 Your reactions have given me so much joy and laughter! Also, the way that you edit your videos is SO well done and fun to watch - especially the funny text commentary and the hilarious visuals. I just wanted to say a sincere THANK YOU! ❤️
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Thank you so much Irret73!
I have a lot of fun editing these videos. Maybe too much. I'm so happy you've enjoyed them. I'll admit, I was giggling while editing in Cardi B's "coronavirus" moment. Thanks for watching with us. More to come. XO
Welcome to the fan club:) There are so many good reactors, but Bel and Jamie, are the ladies with it going on:)
@@lucylastic Heeey! Thanks Lucy. ❤❤❤
I think you'll notice when Sansa brings up with Littlefinger that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna, his facial expressions show he knew better...he's the one that had to have told Brandon Stark (Ned's older brother) that Rhaegar ran off with his sister, which started the war on a larger scale (Robert probably would've blustered about trying to rebel, but wouldn't have had the Starks or the Arryns or the Tullies and their bannermen if Brandon had not been goaded into going down to King's Landing in the first place) And do not get me started on how quickly their friendship would've severed if Robert had treated Lyanna the same way he treated Cersei (Rickard, Brandon, Ned, and Benjen...not to mention Lyanna herself...would've killed Robert for that shit...Tywin thought it was more pragmatic to look the other way, but ultimately, he did her almost as dirty as he did Tyrion)
Ned wanted Jon to take the black before he tells him. Once Jon takes his vows he can’t leave and it would be safe to tell him. I think his uncle was going to tell him as well because he told him they would talk after his return from beyond the wall. After Jon takes his vows.
Ah! Yes. That makes sense. Thanks Majic!
No wonder your sister didn't understand the rightfull heir question. From all she knows Rhaegar was married to Ellia Martell, which would make Jon a bastard and a bastard has no claim on the throne.
Yep, At this point in the show there is no evidence/support to suggest that Jon is legitimate, he would still be a bastard just rheagars not neds
Not entirely true. GoT seems to follow English monarchical law. When Henry VIII for example struggled to produce a male heir, the English crown would have fallen to his bastard son, of whom he was very fond of. The only reason he wasn't legitimised was because eventually Henry did produce a male heir. Even bastard sons rank higher than natural-born daughters if there is no natural-born male heir. Usually they are legitimised
I always seemed completely out of character to me that Ned would have cheated but I just didn't think to question it. That was really the biggest clue.
Fuck I just came up with a better scene in my head between Ned and robert, after their argument as Ned exits the room the king's guard hears the commotion, says your grace?! Robert says from the love I've graced your sister, stand down...then Ned sheathes his sword...take that grrm lol
5:15 sorry to be so nerdy but there are also theories that suggest that Ned wanted to wait until Jon had taken his oath because then he would be relatively save for his claim would be worthless and attacking the nights watch would be a great scandal in the north
No worries. We love nerdy!
And yes. I have now heard that theory, and it kind of makes sense. Thanks Chinaski!
@@Sisnerdly silly me i mean it's sisnerdly lol thanks :D I'm not aware if you're into ASOIAF book content but if not yet I highly recommend In Deep Geek for such theory and background content. His videos eventually made me start reading the books. :D
the rightful heir would be the trueborn son of the eldest son. that makes it Jon IF Lyanna and Rhaegar married. that is the law of primogeniture.
Jamie video=heartbreaker ❤💔
I believe Ned would have told Jon who his mother was
Love it! 🥰
Thanks, Girl! ❤❤❤
❤️😭that is all
He would have told Jon for the same Reason that Amon Targaryen was alive. Once you take the nights watch you give up all claims to titles. So Jon would not have been in danger.
ok, the outro music is superb! what is it?...huggles ladies, nice reactions to R+L=J. Cant believe you are season 7 already! I dont want it to end, dammit
Hugs Lucy! I know. We don't want it to end either. Here's the song I used Song: Ice and Fire (Game of Thrones Soundtrack)
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@@Sisnerdly I dunno how I missed that until now, thanks :) its so gorgeous
@@Sisnerdly downloaded, thank you :)
@@lucylastic Your welcome, Love!!
Have you seen the game of throne the musical video?
We have reacted to it. I just haven't uploaded it yet. It's up next. Thanks RJ!
I WISH YOU GOOD FORTUNE IN THE WARS TO COME
Zurik 23M's Jon Snow The White Wolf please...
I've heard of it, but never watched it bcs I plan on watching it with Bel. So, it's definitely on the reaction list.
Thanks Donald.
@@Sisnerdly You both should react to it. It's an amazing video. Doesn't spoil season 7 or 8.
hi ladies!!!
Next episode please
Now I can say: Jon+Sansa = best ship ever