My old mid range Bosch washing machine lasted me 19 years, with a few minor repairs for things like brushes. I immediately bought another mid range Bosch but there's a fair chance it may outlive me, if it also lasts 19 years. (Clue, I'll be 82 if it does.) Maybe there's a point where you buy a machine to last your expected life span, lol? Come to think of it my Bosch tumble drier, which has just died after 23 years old, was actually older than the nice young man I talked to on the phone about delivering the new one. My current chest freezer (Norfrost?) belonged to my mum, it's currently 46 years old. I love things that last.
How similar your experience is to mine. I have had my Bosch washing machine for 19 years, mid range. Never ever had any problems. Just stopped working. I think it has been wonderful. I will get another
Invested in a Miele 10 years ago. It was originally located on a raised section of our cellar and one day it fell off (about 2 feet onto a concrete floor). Honestly I expected it to be destroyed, or at least dented. But it was fine - no kidding, not even a scratch. It is built like a tank. It has been fine since then too. I am about to replace the door seal but, apart from that, it still looks brand new and hasn’t given us a single issue. In my opinion, money well spent.
My grandfather had a Miele dishwasher for 20 years and always used to talk about how well it lasted. It outlived him. I wish the family had kept it for me. I bet it would outlive me as well.
Had a basic Miela in 2002, kept it going for 13 years. When Bosch, Hotpoint and Hoover longest kept going was 3 1/2 years. Even had Hoover pack up within 7 months and had to pay the labour to install new control switch under guarantee. Saying that took a flyer and bought a direct drive Panasonic NVA 1400rpm 10kg 6 1/2 years ago RRP £550 got delivered £340 and its quiet.
We've had our Miele 26 yrs and cost has us £200 in repairs in the whole of that time. It still works perfectly well. When we had it repaired he said it had done 16000 hours of use. They are rated to 20,000 hours. Would I pay £1k for another.... yes
We've had a Miele washing machine for 9 years so far. No problems yet. Funny thing is economy. It uses less power with a longer 3hr wash than a shorter 1hr 49 min wash, and less water.
We bought a cheap Beko machine 6 years ago after having bosch and miele, both lasted about four years before becoming more expensive to repair than a brand new Beko. The cheap Beko has worked perfectly having two or three washes a week for 6 years and still is perfectly good, still looks new and is very quiet and does a damn good wash. Dont waste money on expensive machines, I can buy three cheap Beko;s for one Bosch !
My first Miele i left at my former home after 23 years of use. From 1976-1999 I cleaned the timer that turns when the program goos once. Powdered the rubber regular and cleaned out the little pool of water between the door and drum every now and then. Always left the door open after using. And cleaned the filter. It was parked in the kitchen. Did not keep contact with the later occupants but they helped me move as a payment. I am still on my second machine / appartement and trying to be as nice as possible to both. Be safe 💪
Well I always go for a high quality but lowest unnecessary tech machine these days, I used to buy the cheapest machine and expect to replace it every few years. Currently I have an 8kg AEG. It's over ten years old and has NEVER gone wrong. Bearing in mind 2 kids, my wife's catering hire business (mucky tablecloths) and I'm a welder fabricator, it gets a bloody hard life!
I've got a cheap 8kg beko that cost about £200. It's a workhorse that suits our lifestyle perfectly in terms of how we wash our clothes. We separate into loads so massive drums are no good for us. We can customise our loads by temperature and spin speeds too. It's about 6 years old and hasn't given us any grief at all, even when we were washing cloth nappies. We always wash towels on a 90° with no softener so it essentially gets regular machine cleans because of that, which I think has helped it survive so long. They don't make the same model anymore so won't be able to replace it when it eventually dies, but I don't think we'll be able to get the same balance of price, performance and customisation in another machine.
Agree. We had 7kg Beko washing machine for 7 years. Never had any problems with it, not a bip, washed very well with a great choice of programmes which were easy to customise for my needs in terms of temperature, speed and time saving. In the end we replaced it with 10kg Haier washer drier as Beko doesn't manufacture washer driers of such a large capacity which a great shame.
I use a Beko which is 8 years old, and only had to replace the pump after 7 years, which was a really simple fix. £25 and 10 minutes later, jobs a goodun! 👍 It does everything I want it to do, and is reasonably quiet. Original price was around £280 I think, so cannot grumble at all.
The older Bekos were so good, we had two that lasted for years and were only replaced due to needing a larger capacity, sadly the new ones are awful. My new Beko machine which is the most expensive washing machine in their range, broke down after a mere 23 days due to the drain pump failing and an electronics fault. Build quality is horrendous, the entire door is plastic including the hinges and the plastic of the inner and outer door scratches and distorts during normal washes. The drum light is an led shoved into a thin metal 'cage' housing which stays on for 10 minutes when the machine is switched on, including when doing a cycle, and doesn't come on when the door is opened, as beko were too cheap to put some kind of sensor for that. Wash wise though it was pretty good but nowhere near as good as the old ones. I'd say only the stain removal was better. It was an insurance replacement for a vestel/Electra machine which could have been repaired, but there was no set date for when the parts would come in and they were not cheap or easy to get hold of parts. I regret not trying harder at finding an alternative way of washing our stuff while I waited, and insisting on a replacement instead, because the Electra machine was basic but very very robust and took the most water out with the spin cycle, of any machine we have had. It was also a 10kg machine but the drum was bigger than the Beko. I am now looking at the mid priced Bosch machines but I am wary as even they have some bad reviews.
I am a life long Miele customer. My flat had a built in Bosch washer dryer which I hated - I was so pleased when it needed replacing. My new Miele washer dryer with the Twin Dos automatic detergent delivers better stain removal than the supermarket choices. I think your videos are great - very informative on not very exciting topics. Keep them going.
On my second Miele now, first one lasted 14 years, had to have the motor replaced, but was done under its 10 year guarantee. My second one is coming up 5 years old, didn't pay as much, but still as good as the day we got it.
I have a Bosch 6 series and I absolutely love it. Quiet and so far reliable. Mine doesn't have WiFi because I don't want Mi5 listening to my conversations. lol
As far as the WiFi feature goes on the Series 6 machine, you mention: 1. The ability to start the machine remotely: Well couldn't you just use the delay start function, and/or rinse hold if necessary? 2. Self diagnosis: You can normally diagnose faults via error codes that appear on the display. 3. Additional programs: As I understand it, you can allocate only one additional program to the machine, but again, I find that a bit of a gimic, especially when you have all the built in options for spin speeds, wash temperature, extra rinses etc. But all that aside, with all these extra electronic gimics, it makes the machine more complicated, or sophisticated, with the potential for more to go wrong, simple plug and play fixes for a service engineer for a fee, but potentially rendering the machine unusable for the consumer. And if you are out of warranty, electrical problems tend to be the most expensive to fix! You also say the motor has a 10 year guarantee on the Series 6 model. Does this include Labour, or is it just for the part? I know the Series 6 machines are made in Germany, whereas a lot of the cheaper Bosch machines are made in China or elsewhere, and aren't as highly rated as the Series 6 machines, as the Series 6 machines tend to be better built, according to consumers. But in all honesty, I would rather do without all the electrical gimics, such as WiFi, and just have a machine that was mechanically sound, for £100 less or so. Because I don't need the gimics, nor would most users I'm guessing.
Great video, as always! Just to point out about capacity; difference between 7kg and 9kg are only for cotton programme. Other programmes are the same for both models: Easy Care - 4kg, Mixed load - 4kg, Silk, wool - 2kg. It's true that better model has bigger drum volume by 15%, and that's important. About the noise; 3dB difference doubles the sound intensity, but 10dB increase is required before a sound is perceived to be twice as loud. Every single dB contributes to noise pollution, so it's very important to have low noise appliances.
I have a Miele after years of cheap washers. I worship it had it nearly two years now. I do not use fabric conditioner at all now after seeing the messy gunk that collected under the drawer of my previous machine The best washer I had prior to this was a second hand Whirlpool.I bought it from a elderly lady who had only used it a few times she was going into a care home so had to sell it. It lasted 10 years but I do not think they are made any more
Just replaced a now-dead Simpson Esprit after 27 years. If I get a quarter of that life out of my new Bosch (flipping expensive) then I guess I should be happy. Is there no manufacturer that still makes a fully mechanical machine?? I don't give a toss about LCD screens or being able to set a timer to start the wash. Just an old clunk-clunk-clink dial you pull out to start the cycle and I'd be more than satisfied.
The db scale is logarithmic, not linear. Let me assure you that the audible difference between 72db and 74db would be very hard to notice. If, you wish to effectively double the volume, make something twice as loud, you need an increase of no less than 10db!
@@khalidacosta7133 you are mistaken. In order to gain an increase of 3db, you need to double the power. An amplifier delivering 1w to a 90db efficient loudspeaker will produce 90db of SPL or audible volume. If you double the power output of the amplifier to 2w, there will be a SPL increase of 3db! In order to double the audible volume you need an SPL of 10db. So the power output of the amplifier would need to increase 10 fold. You would need that amplifier to deliver 10w to that speaker to achieve 100wSBW and effectively double the perceived audible volume. So going back to your scenario with the 2 washing machines, 1 producing an SPL of 72w at maximum spin speed, the other producing 74db, the difference would be barely audible to the human ears. Do your research my friend, you will find the facts corroborate my explanation! My apologies, SPL stands for Sound Pressure Level. A few occasions in the above narrative i in error put SBL. On every instant that should SPL. That does not invalidate my explanation and humble attempt to correct this chap.
@@howardskeivys4184 @Todesengel Yep, decibel was originally conceived for transmission loss in telephones. I.e due to resistance, a 1v signal that travels 100km, the voltage would drop to 0.8v. However, this is not applied to Sound Pressure Level (SPL) as sound is not an electrical signal - the suffix after dB is the important part, as it indicates the reference value by which the ratio is calculated. For acoustics, while everybody says, "dB", it should have said, "dB SPL". The reference value is what the quietest sound the human ear can hear, which is 20 micropascals. (unit of measure for pressure). Now for some practical examples, at 1 meter away, a jackhammer making 100dB of noise would produce a pressure level of 2 Pascals. The same jackhammer making 110dB of noise should produce 4 Pascals under your theory but doesn''t. It produces 6.32 Pascals - A bit over triple - the pressure level doubles every 3Db (roughly.. when rounded up to make it easier to calculate differences). Your ears are calibrated pressure sensors that can detect minute changes in air pressure, sampled very quickly, which is perceived as sound. It is also why you can "feel" the lower frequencies. This is before you take into account of reflected sound too (notice how some rooms echo more than others?)... so the difference between 72 and 74dB can be even greater, especially in rooms which are smaller and have hard surfaces, which is where washing machines get typically installed. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure#Sound_pressure_level
@@khalidacosta7133 I could quote a multitude of scientific and acoustic literature, contrary to your opinion and research. I won’t. This is in acute danger of becoming a circular debate. That is to say, that we could continue the discussion for eternity, but never agree, in other words go round in circles, which like a circle is, pointless. We’re going to have to agree to disagree. My background is in physics. Culminating in a diploma in practical and applied physics. My speciality interest is acoustics. I’m an audiophile and I have spent years and years of experimentation, trial and error in acoustic correction. I’ve spent tens of thousands of pounds on dozens of audio components getting the sound balance to my liking. All of my learning and experience and all of your quotes will not change the fact that there is no way 74db is twice as loud as 72db. Feel free to reply to this comment. I will not offer a rebuttal. As I explained, I don’t want to get into a perpetual circular debate!
I'm on my 4th or 5th consecutive Bosch washing machine, and the current one has been the least reliable, 3 repairs so far and the first was under warranty. Experience has shown that even the more expensive machines are no more reliable than the cheaper ones. My philosophy is to go for a "well known brand of good reputation" but buy at the lower end of the price range. I can't understand why hot fill is banned, using hot water was surely quicker and cheaper than heating mains water from cold using an electric element in the washing machine, seems we have the EU to blame for that.
I had the same with Bosch, I had 3 and they all failed quickly. I have had Samsung for a long time now, I actually left that Samsung at my rental and 2 families used it. My Samsung now is 7 years old and hasn’t had any problems and it gets used a lot.
Wow, given that my machines last over 10 years without fault and you probably didn’t get one till you were 20 you must be +80yo, I’m glad you’re still with us!
@@andyxox4168 Close, I'm in my 60s and when the kids were young the washing machines got used daily. One Bosch only lasted about 4 years. I'd be much happier if they'd each lasted at least 10 years. Hard water does not help their longevity
@@cmartin_ok … then I’m lucky to be in a soft water area and experience +10 years of machine life with 3-5 washes a week (if you need more washes you must be squeaky clean or have 5 kids, a dog and a mucky wife 😉) without maintenance indeed the last machine only needed brushes at about £5 a pair and has now given good service for +12 years. Still it goes to show how big some people’s impact on the planet is!
I bought a miele top of the range after getting through three budget machines in five years. It has been going strong for twenty six and a half years !. In its life it has had one new door seal after I managed to yank it off pulling a kingsize duvet out of the machine and a new pump just under one year ago. It has been worth every penny and paid for itself many times over. Needless to say when it finally dies another miele will take its place. On a side note my miele tumble dryer is about fifteen years old and has never broken down !.
I had a Siemens top of the range and weighed a ton lasted me 25 years. Amazing German engineering. Eventually I could not get it moved to a flat so had to take it to a tip and I felt sorry to dump it in working order. German machines are so brilliantly made. The best thing is that you could not even hear it when it was spinning at top speed
Quality has dropped in everything the last 20 years, as for German brilliantly made, do they make them - highly likely no. The ones that are having had to deal with the German arrogance 'everything perfect attitude' 'alwys right' video evidence always prevails. The better Bosch Siemens and Neff very very smilar designs with different panels and price differences all made in same company. Choice is pay £200 more for a Siemens over a £550 Bosch or £300 more for same item labelled Neff.
@@chrisburnby62 Yes our ancestors would be turning in their graves. Why is it when we won both world wars our manufacturing ceased 40 odd years ago, whilst Bosch and the like used forced labour to produce armaments they shouldnt have been building any way after WW1. The only ones that prospered including the Japanese were the foreign war factories, ours long gone.
@@chrisburnby62 I do agree with you, though I think there's a difference between forgiving either the current generation (e.g VW mpg scandal) Vs a previous generation, from which few are likely not alive and nor are their principles. It's a tough one, but I do think forgiveness is important, even if we don't forget.
I got a LG machine at my summer home because of lower power consumption. I run it on solar panels with no battery. If a cloud comes over, it stops. I wait for cloud to pass and restart it. It remembers where it left off. I feed hot water into the cold inlet and run all cycles on hot water. Detergent feed is spotless from this hot water. The same machine at home gets mold in the dispenser which has to be cleaned every year.
I just replaced my 10 year old Bosch Washer Drier with a new Bosch Machine. So far I'm very impressed with the new machine - larger load capacity, a few additional features and much quieter. I selected the model I chose using Which? Magazine.
I just go with Beko now. Unfortunately often not worth repairing machines now. I expect to. Replace after 3 or 4 years, although maybe it will last longer now the kids have left home. I honestly don’t think it’s worth spending more for an expensive model. I think manufacturers build in a failure time personally!!
That’s an easy one - yes definitely. Our Miele washing machine is now 30 years old, gets used many times a week, and is still going strong. Let’s just say it doesn’t owe us a bean.
Get a spinner as well. Less electric needed when tumble drying and less wear on the clothes. And the extra benefits of a quicker drying time and saving the washing machine bearings by being able to use it on a slower spin speed (1000 rpm). And could go one better by drying using a DESICCANT dehumidifier and rack, (cheaper appliance, no clothes wear, less damp).
I think the saddest thing about appliances these days is their planned obsolescence, at least here in North America. I just replaced the washer/dryer that was in this old house. They were put in early 1970's and as best as I could tell had never even needed repairs in the last 40 years. Sadly the dial broke on the washing machine and it was too old to find a replacement. The washer wasn't efficient at ALL, and it ripped a couple pieces of clothing, but for the most part it worked great. These new replacements I got will maybe last 10 years at the most, and so far every front load high efficiency washing machine I've had has needed maintenance every couple of years for one reason or another. They say they will save you on monthly bills, but I don't think people calculate the full cost. They're a terrible cost in resources making all these very fancy complex machines that break down so often and get replaced every 10 years or less. That's a huge burden on mining, especially the rare metals for the motherboards, as well as all the water and petroleum products used in refining raw materials, manufacturing, and shipping. Not to mention a huge financial burden for the consumer who has to pay thousands every decade for new appliances and then hundreds to repair them. The $5 a month it saves you on utilities is barely a drop in the bucket if you look at the big picture.
I have have my Hotpoint Aquarius for 20 years rated A had brushes replaced and still good as new spins clothes dry and I never ever have to iron just put on a hanger job done great machine!
I have had 2 washing machines so far, The first Beko was a 5kg basic spec and lasted 10years and was never touched, the 2nd was a Beko 8kg which clogged up the filter at least 4 times a year and only lasted 4 years. I will never buy Beko again and spent the extra and bought a 10kg Candy 1400 spin and what a revelation compared to the Beko.
The more features a washing machine has, the more there is to go wrong, just look how long the Whirlpool machines last (20+ years if you were wondering) and they only have 2 or 3 wash cycles. Let's be honest, no one ever weighs their laundry before the put it in the machine and most people just use the 'normal' cycle 80+% of the time. I have a 12 year old basic Bosch and it has done my family of 4 proud. For me, the trick is to not overload them, and clean them regularly. I line dry our clothes as often as possible and only use the dryer if I have no other option, I also think if you have a lot of clothes and bedding to dry, it's worth taking them to a laundromat and using a big commercial machine (or 2) which can handle the weight of wet clothes.
Electronic displays and touch screens - more to go wrong. Good old-fashioned mechanical switch for on-off was best, because then I could use a mains timer to turn the machine on at a time to suit me
Miele are the best machines. Very well built and much quieter than the competition. Yes they tend to be more expensive to buy but will last longer than a Bosch.
Because of space we have a washer dryer. We went through 3 cheap models in around 9 years, 1 in just 2 years. We then spent almost double on a better brand. 12 years later we are still going great.
Yeah, even 12 years ago, things were made much more durable than they are now. Expect to spend at least £500 for a machine with similar life expectancy these days. But steer clear of inferior products from China, such as Bush, HiSense, Haier, Hoover sadly, and even some Hotpoint models.
I can recommend buying a more expensive machine. We bought a higher priced bosch machine and it was really worth it, the eco and quick options are really good, and it has a lot of programs. It's now 8 years old and has not been serviced even once.
I bought a Bosch series 4, 8 kilo washing machine November 2018 in the sale around £350, has the inverter motor, not as quiet as it was when new, nowhere near as quiet as the 5 year old John Lewis 1200 it replaced, sad to say the John Lewis machine blew up just as the wash finished. the Bosch does wash well, doesn't try leaving the kitchen when spinning as Hotpoint machines have done [it was levelled ] has plenty of wash times , the cotton wash can be taken from 3 plus hours to 2 plus hours to 1 hour, the 30 min, quick wash is good but the spin leaves things very damp unlike the John Lewis machine, luckily washing is mainly line dried, if not have to do an extra spin. So far very pleased with the Bosch series 4, just hope it lasts as long as people say they do [used 2 to 3 times per week] Also bought a Bosch 50/50 frost free fridge in 2019 to replace a 10 year old Hotpoint frost free fridge freezer. the Bosch is well built, very quiet and has lots of room considering it's dimensions have had frost free fridge freezers since 1994, would not go back to frosty ones now.
I always wanted a Bosch washing machine in our household, as we've had a Bosch dishwasher working faultlessly for over 14 years (so much so the plastic fascia failed before any of the mechanical parts have). Hence when we moved house, our existing machine was too tall to fit under the worktop so it was the perfect excuse to get a new one. The machine we purchased was worth, I'm pretty sure, around £699 RRP but was discounted to around £450 due to clearance. That was five years ago and it's worked well ever since, bar a couple of easily resolved filter issues. Considering a lot of machines these days succumb to bearings issues at around the 3-4 year mark, I'm impressed with the quality, particularly as more or less everything is sealed together these days and cannot be easily and inexpensively repaired. So, I recommend Bosch all the way and if you can get a rather expensive machine at a discount price, it's a good way to go.
I have a 4 year old Daewoo Washing Machine it was only £180 new. Normally I would have got something more expensive but at the time it was all I really wanted to spend. It's lasting longer than I expected to be honest.
My Daewoo has been very reliable. I got the bottom of the line model 15 years ago and it's still going. Only needed a new motherboard for the control panel a couple of years ago. Twenty dollars spent and installed in 5 minutes. Love honest repairmen! Otherwise I would have had to shell out the big money for a new model.
I always go for a simpler machine as past any warranty it's a lot cheaper to repair - try talking to the guys who repair them as to which they'd prefer to work on.
Bosch WFK2801, 24-Jan 2000, from Market Spares & Repairs, East Ham Market. The market no longer exists. Creda slot in cooker died in 2004. The wm was old tech being replaced by Classic range when we got it but my habit is to buy best of last range rather than affordable of latest versions. Moved house once in that time. Some bits and pieces have been replaced or bolted back. One engineer gleamed when he saw it "Best washing machine ever" - last overbuilt maintainable machine before proprietry clips and and notches prevent use of generic parts. Up to then, we'd been given an 8-year old machine by friends when we got married (it lasted us at least 10 years and several moves) then we bought used machines that would last about three years before becoming not worth repairing.
It could be that you have put a bigger load in than should be in there. If the 30 minute program is designed for 2kg load, and you put a 6kg load in, then it will take a lot longer to wash.
07:01 I have to confess I use only the same two wash programs/cycles on my washing machine despite the myriad of options available! 🤣 And it's cheaper to spin loads 2 or 3 times extra and air dry than use the tumble dryer.
Bought a Miele set that was returned because the appliance company did a bad install (know what a p-trap is folks) and ended up buying a Bloomberg. Love, love, love them. Super quiet, use less water, and less deep so I was able to reinstall my closet I folding doors.
This explains why my grandmother’s Blomberg is so good. I chose it because it wasn’t too cheap and had good simple controls and fast spin decent eight kilo capacity and very efficient. The durations were sensible and it’s nearly silent.
I had one a few (15?) years ago. The control computer died when it was a month out of warranty, and it would have cost about £300 to repair. Cost about £450 originally
@@Truth1561 if you live in a condo Blombergs have a smaller profile which you will appreciate. I agree. Super quiet. Many modes including quick and super quick wash but also pet mode and denims. Love my ventlessdryer too. Takes a bit longer but super quiet. Clothes come out with just a puff of moisture which is better for their longevity, too
After 40 years every washing machine has lasted 6-7 years This was confirmed at a building maintenance course where the instructor pointed to the life cycle of washing machines saying that manufacturers would plan for a 7 year cycle plus he pointed out if 6-7 years old don't waste your time to repair. I spent 2 day fixing one the machine was £275 I spent £90 on materials no labour and it broke down on a different fault 6 months later so I bought a similar machine for £295. After that like clockwork my machines would break down or start playing up 6-7 years after purchase and funny enough the replacement machine was the same cost after 6 years
My ex insisted on spending 500 quid on a Bosch washer some years ago. Within a few weeks, one of bra wires pierced through the seal ( I know... ). We had a 5 week wait until the new seal arrived. The engineer did point out that had we chosen the £230 Hotpoint that I wanted, he carried the seals on his van.
I had a Servis washing machine (remember them) for 14 years but had to get rid because of no spare parts for my model. But it was £180 and it lasted 14 years. Shame really because it was still in great condition (apart from the PCB burning out).
I have the idos. I love the convenience that you fill it with liquid detergent and softener once in awhile and it lasts for many days. Even a kid can use it, it's so much easier.
As with anything else, it depends on one’s circumstances. We bought what some people would consider expensive machines, the Blomberg 24” stackable pair. But we are very satisfied with the results. The high speed spin of the washer complements the ventless dryer, and with only two of us, they easily handle the several loads per week.
We had a very expensive LG washer, lasted 12 years but finally broke down. Needed a machine quickly so took a chance on a cheap £200 mechanical Hotpoint and I can't fault it. Does everything the LG did but much quieter. Had it 3 years now and not sure if we'll bother with high end again. There's only the two of us so maybe that helps.
I'm not quite sure how I stumbled across this video. Washing machines are kinda meh. But I do weirdly have a bit of experience with what works and what doesn't. AEG used to last forever, German engineering was built to last, but not these days, unless it is for industrial use. I lived in Switzerland for 10 years, if you live in an apartment building in Switzerland, there will be a shared laundry room. The washing machines are designed for domestic use, but they cost between £1000 - £1500 each and are built to last for years and years. A bit bigger than standard but if you have the space, get one. The washing machines we get here in the UK are not designed to be repaired.
Usually washing machine motor brushes and drum bearings fail around the 10 year mark. Some more, some less, regardless of brand. That's the way i see it. Brushes are easy to change... bearings not so much lol.
Great Video, but the decibel is a ratio of two quantities and taken with the log of base 10 instead of the natural log where the base is 'e' (approximately 2,7). So the volume doubles at every interval of 10 db instead of 2,7 or 3.
I also agree that the higher end machines makes a lot of sense. I do like to point out that as user it is imperative to really study the user manual and watch videos on how to use the system to get the best performance. My Bosch is a 3 year old Active Oxygen machine that came to it best performance and especially detergent saving after watching videos.
For any given spin speed, the larger the diameter of the drum, the greater effort will be made to remove water. I THINK ! doubling the drum diameter doubles the water removal force.
You are 100% correct. But larger machine will have increased depth and not the diameter. Only the extreme large machines like LG 18 and 31 KG front loaders, we see tub with larger diameter. But 6, 7, 8 and 9KG machines will have same diameter drum.
What about - the quality if the motor - the kind of suspension and dampener system the drum is mounted in - the bearing the drum runs in, and it's cage material (plastic or metal) - the material of the washing pan and the drum (plastic stainless steel, etc.) - body rust protection (spray paint or ceramic coating)
I used to love A-series Hoover machines (from the days before Candy got involved) and always found Hotpoint to be very maintainable - right up to the stage where welded plastic tubs turned an £8.00 bearing swap into a £150 repair!, I’ve got a Neff now. Bought it new but damaged saving £500 in the process and found as I rebuilt it that it’s a genius machine clearly designed by someone who’s had to work on appliances. No going back now!
With the app can you use voice. I have several patients who are blind & that has restricted them to a standard dial selector because they can stick markers on the main programmes.Digital screen is fine for many, but we can see. I have a 12 year old Miele which came with a 10 year parts & labour warranty. You don’t get that on cheap machines. As my commercial laundry engineer friend says. Buy cheap, buy more or buy more expensive & buy less.You get what you pay for with many things in life.
Great video and yes I have the lowest cost machine you were demonstrating on. The thing I hate about it is the length of time each wash takes compared to the Bosch I had before. I discovered if I press the time button on this new one, on say, 40 wash I can cut it down to half the time but...it takes a while to adjust the clothes in it as it flashes 4kg . I’ve sussed it now to balance the clothes around the drum! I used to get all my washing done in a day with my old Bosch if I followed the times with this one it would take two days to wash everything, then there’s the tumble drying! I wish I had chosen the more expensive one you were showing.
Honestly, the amount of difference in the moisture left in fabrics between a 1200 and 1400 spin machine is miniscule, maybe around 2 or 3% difference. Your laundry would still be damp, even if it was spun at 5000 rpm. And the price difference some manufacturers charge for a higher spin speed is ridiculous. In many cases, two different machines use the exact same motor, and artificially restrict the speed in some machines, to justify a higher price for others. But if you look at Beko, they might only charge an extra £10 or £20 for the next machine up in the range with a faster spin speed. And Beko machines are great for the money. I have used the same Beko machine, almost daily, for the last EIGHT YEARS, and have only had to replace the pump, which was an easy 10 minute job. And £25 for a new pump. And honestly, I couldn't fault the machine. But of all the premium German brands, I would have a Miele, if I could afford it.
If you are a jeans and T shirt kind of family buy a Speed Queen. One without the electronic control board. Thats what I got 8 years ago to replace a Maytag that shat the bed multiple times. It's been flawless and the wife beats the hell out of it.
We are on our 4th washing machine in 10 years (we have had our own home for 10 years). When buying a washing machine, the 2 important things to look at is, the capacity and the spin speed, which have been covered in this video. 7-8kg is plenty and 1400rpm spin speed is more then enough. Nothing wrong with using a 2nd or 3rd spin, which is what I do to cut down of drying time. We have had both cheap and more expensive machines, I would choose a cheaper machine and I would pick a machine that isn’t digital. Get something with a dial as opposed to a screen and buttons. They are my opinions anyway, I’m sure everyone will say differently.
The fact you only get an average of 2.5 years out of your machine shows that it's not worth buying cheap. Spend more up front, you get a better wash, and over that 10 years it would have likely worked out less cost overall. My AEG is over 4 years old and could easily be sold as new, it's still in perfect condition. Buy cheap, you buy twice.
I thought it would be a good idea to buy a more expensive washing machine a few years ago. I bought an LG with a direct drive drum (with a ten year warranty on the drive) so no belts to go wrong. After about two years it started screaming at me, and it turned out the bearings had gone. The cost of repair was so expensive that it was cheaper to buy a new washing machine. My policy now is to buy cheap machines and replace them when they break.
@@greganphotography When my LG started playing up I was told that it won't be the bearings because the bearings don't fail on that particular machine! One time a washing machine repair man told me about a client who had an expensive Miele. The electronics broke and the repair would have been really expensive. The repair man told him that it would be cheaper to go out and buy a Hotpoint.
@@catwoman7462 My washing machine repair man told me Miele were probably (at that time) the best machines available BUT that there were so few Miele engineers (at that time) that you could wait a long time to get it repaired so he said on that basis, they weren't worth the risk.
@@greganphotography I'm now in my second direct drive washing machine. My first must of lasted twenty years before it developed a fault and stopped working. I figured it had done it's bit and didn't bother getting it looked at. Maybe some of this is down to the luck of the draw.
Very interesting review. We had a Bosch for over 20 years without any problems but it failed on the first day of lockdown. We removed it and put in a second hand Hotpoint as a temporary measure until we could get another Bosch installed. The Hotpoint is still going fine, my main complaint is it is cold fill only. With a tank of hot water from my gas fired CH it seems crazy to heat the water by electricity. However it appears the vast majority of washing machines are the same these days.
What I do is fill up a few pans of hot water from the tap, set the washing machine to its program when it starts (to fill) open the door and manually fill it.
I'm glad I'm not the only bonkers person who adds hot water to the drawer. I reckon it helps warm the terribly cold water from the mains before the heater kicks in. I have a 28 year old Zanussi washer dryer and although it's hot and cold fill, it only takes hot water on the 60C+ programmes.
We had a Bosch 2 years then got a hole in the drum. A common problem with all machines as the outer drum is plastic. The build quality is better but the drum is the same on all machines now.
I'll stick with the F&P top loader. Yes it uses more water but is way faster and for soak loads can soak alot compared to front loaders. Plus it uses hot solar water feed in here in Australia. Never understood heating water on peak electricity in a washing machine - crazy expensive. Ps doing only cold washes will eventually soil the machine resulting in specs of dirt and bad smells no matter which brand.
Hi. Washing machines. I belived in spend more money, get a better washing machine. I live a lone and disabled so i dont use a washing machine like a family. I alway bought the biggest drum. So i could wash quits and things. I get an average up to 2 years out of a washing machine. Then when they breakdown. I get told i need a new machine. Costing me a fortune. Until one day i needed a washer urgenly. Then i was given a cheap one from a family (used everyday). It was about 2 years old at the time i got it. I cant remember how long iv had it now. But its stil going strong. The washing machine i have is a hotpoint 6kg VML540 aquarius
I got an expensive Bosch washer drier when new it worked well only I could not use the drier as it made everything smell bad only used it a couple of times a week only for the mane bearings to go on it after 4 years the repair man said dump it as it would be to much work to strip it down and rebuild it that is why I only buy cheap washers and chuck them when they go wrong and get a new one.
On the higher end machine, it'd be interesting to know how many years it'd be before Bosch announce they'll no longer be updating or continuing with service App. (As happened with my Kindle Fire tablet interactive help function after about 5 years.)
I replaced my 12 year old Hotpoint 8kg 1600rpm, bearings had failed and at 87db I couldn't hear anything. It had other problems, including F22 which was fixed by opening and closing the door several times, a wiring fault, refusing to wash on occasion or missing the spin cycle leaving clothes wet etc. I went for a Blomberg WF194410W. As I have a smart meter, I was able to compare electricity usage between an old A+ rated machine and the new rate B (old A+++) and the new machine uses hardly any electricity. Warranty is far better 3 years parts and labour and 10 yrs on the Inverter motor.
A 3db increase is not twice as loud, it is a slight increase in volume. It requires twice the power to achieve a 3db increase, but we perceive sound volume logarithmically, so it takes twice the power to achieve a perceptible volume change. Hence the dB scale.
Spin speed in not necessarily best for water removal. Drum design is more important. Spin speed can on some can affect the bearings on cheaper models. So slower can be expensive on repairs.
Once, I bought 2 microwaves. A top-end Panasonic and a budget Curry's Matsui brand. The Panasonic does conventional cooking and has a grill. The Matsui is purely microwave. If I had to choose between them for a microwave oven only, I'd go for the Matsui.
Personally I only ever buy Miele ,, my misses is thai and also works in a care home and yes I wash 7 days a week , the current one we have is now 11 years old washes on 20 mins with a 1400 spin and the clothes come out clean and dry . It was £700 new and is still running like new never had a problem , dunno how many of them junk Chinese machines my mate has had in that time ,, allways buys the cheapest crap which in the end is twice as much
had a hand me down Zanussi this failed after about 20 years so I bought another as you would, that lasted 2 years and there is just me who used it. the old one had a plastic container that held the concrete ballast weight the new one just had bare concrete. the new one exploded when the concrete ballast weight cracked and hit the drum on the 1400 spin cycle, the bang could be heard from the bottom of my garden whilst I was in the garage. the new machine did not have a plastic container for the concrete ballast just a single steel wire inside that of course fractured. some of the concrete ballast was actually found inside the drum in the washing! The washing machine jumped to the middle of the kitchen, but as I had plumbed it in had plenty of slack on the water pipe so no water spraying and flooding the house. so they are built to such a price point they are damaging their brand. i tell everybody and anybody what a load of garbage they are. I now know I could of claimed under the fair use policy as it was hardly used with just one person using it. i just save up and buy miele for everything now.
Funny you should say that, i went in a national electrical suppliers before internet really kicked off 14 years later and left on the desk was a printout of buying and RRP of everything they sold. Most of it was circa 70% markup, what was sold for £590 they were buying in around £330. Quite common to double buying in cost, some even put 400% on. Still bought the Miela from them knowing couldnt get cheaper at £560 delivered in 2002.
Really good video. Hadn’t even considered a lot of the points made and I can see why a more expensive machine is probably better especially with the extended warranty. Nice one!
in nz all washing machines no matter what brand come with a 10 year warranty, even though the manufacturer may only say 1 year, a govt act says the retailer must repair, replace or refund it it breaks down before the 10 years is up
washing machine engineer for 30 years AEG and Bosch specialist, more load equals more stress on bearings and seals, anything above 1000 rpm is a losing proposition, i am fed up with all the bollocks i hear about spin efficiency, it is to do with water escaping through a pre determned amount of holes in a drum rotating at a specific speed, the limit is reached on current technology at 1000 r.p.m. anything else is a sales pitch, which sadly you are guilty of, hey we all have to make a living right, cutting down on water makes for a poorer rinse efficiency you cannot change the law of physics with your sales pitch no matter what you may believe from the company blurb, that is just plain facts. You are upselling a machine twice the price because it is of advantage to your bottom line in profitability. cut the crap a £200.00 washing machine made by any mass manufacturer like a badged indesit will piss all over your figures and will be far cheaper to own in the long run, i notice you do not mention the non extra warranty parts cost of the Bosch appliance spares. A good sales pitch by you, but for all the normal everyday people watching do not be fooled by the utter bollocks presented here by this guy. He is just out for your cash nothing more. ooh lets buy it we can connect it to bluetooth and programme it, big deal it still wont stop it going bang or flooding your kitchen seen that a lot, heartbreaking. this guy is upselling you, and trying to screw an insurance policy out of you as well. do not be fooled. i am very pleased to be proved wrong lets see if mr washing machine guru responds to my critique. ?
@Andrew Reynolds Interesting. Do you have an opinion of standard motor/belt drives VS Direct Drive? I got my first Direct Drive a couple of years ago, and it's amazingly quiet. Though I suspect repairs would be expensive, perhaps it will be cheaper just to replace the whole machine once it fails
@@jumpjet777 direct drive is a great improvement on a belt and pulley system but sadly the parts cost in manufacturing goes up whether it be true direct drive, or by way of a gearbox interface, belts have always been chosen as the number one cost effective drive train system as it is flexible effective cheap and moves to fit the stress placed by the load that is put in the machine, but they are fabricated they stretch out of tolerance and break, but they are cheap and very easy from an engineers point of view to replace, belt noise and whip have always been an issue added to the singular shaft bearing and seal systems used, noise is an inevitable consequence of drive belt systems. When you have a shaft supported by a bearing set on a single axis wear is inevitable noise then follows as a direct consequence. If the single axis shaft bearing could be overcome by say a 3 way shaft and drum support system that would be far more reliable, trouble is the manufacturers don't want mass reliability or longevity, they want you to buy another machine, the true life span of a washing machine now is between 8 to 10 years, a family using it say 2 or 3 times a day will inevitably have bearing drum support and drive train motor bearing issues after roughly 5 years or so, which would prove expensive to put right, hence the throw away society we now live in. Everything is built to cost and the manufacturer knows pretty much how long their product will give good reliable service. There are exeptions I have seen them but it is quite rare and getting rarer as the years go by
Would like to see a video where you really get into the guts of a machine. exploring motors, bearings ect. and explaining why some massively outlive others. All that stuff about flashing displays I find totally superficial and long for the days when basic reliability was key.
I have Bosch in my apartment and Miele in our house. Miele washes far better than Bosch. All my appliances in both properties are Miele, except for washing machine. Miele is the best!
i got a Samsung eco bubble about ten years ago and it is still going never let me down and i am more then happy , yes it was a bit more then most but clearly it was worth it friends of ours bought a cheaper model around the same time and they have had two machines since (total of three)
Half the time it's pot luck. Even expensive machines can break down. I've had a few brands. AEG, Indesit and Hotpoint. I've had them all on average 6-8 years each with no problems, which, I think is good going. The in-laws had a couple of Mieles. First one lasted 16 years but the newer one was a nightmare. Something always wrong with it . So they got rid and got a John Lewis, which has been great for 4 years up to now.
3db is not twice as loud, look it up. The main thing to check , the more expensive one MAY be designed so that the bearings can be replaced, cheap ones generally come with a sealed drum. A sealed drum means you have to replace the whole drum mechanism when (not if) the bearings wear out, at a cost not that far removed from buying a new cheap machine. Just checked a couple, Bosch drum £145 upwards, bearings on Amazon, mostly about £10-20, for machines that can use them. Not sure who makes machines that can be repaired at a reasonable cost, it looks like expensive Miele only.
If you can afford it, then yes absolutly. The hotpoints of this world have had thier day. Went for a siemens over a decade ago. It still washes no problems. You know a good machine is done properly, and not with budget parts...
We used to buy Bosch washing machines that were good for around 5 years but then bought a Miele washing machine 14 years ago. Used almost everyday it just works. I note that a new Miele only comes with a standard 2 year warranty despite their claims that it is tested for a 20 year life. If it is meant to last so long why do they not have enough faith to give it a longer standard warranty?
We had an old 5kg machine replaced it with an LG 7 kg with a view to doing less washes problem is I need a programmable wife, she still runs it half full!
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My old mid range Bosch washing machine lasted me 19 years, with a few minor repairs for things like brushes. I immediately bought another mid range Bosch but there's a fair chance it may outlive me, if it also lasts 19 years. (Clue, I'll be 82 if it does.) Maybe there's a point where you buy a machine to last your expected life span, lol? Come to think of it my Bosch tumble drier, which has just died after 23 years old, was actually older than the nice young man I talked to on the phone about delivering the new one. My current chest freezer (Norfrost?) belonged to my mum, it's currently 46 years old. I love things that last.
Better for the environment too remember, in all sorts of ways!
Our top of the range Bosch made in Germany not South America lasted 16 months, shocking one of the worst around.
I have seen Bosch bearings go bad a few times. Maybe that attests to the rest of the machine lasting extremely long 🤔
How similar your experience is to mine. I have had my Bosch washing machine for 19 years, mid range. Never ever had any problems. Just stopped working. I think it has been wonderful. I will get another
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Invested in a Miele 10 years ago. It was originally located on a raised section of our cellar and one day it fell off (about 2 feet onto a concrete floor). Honestly I expected it to be destroyed, or at least dented. But it was fine - no kidding, not even a scratch. It is built like a tank.
It has been fine since then too. I am about to replace the door seal but, apart from that, it still looks brand new and hasn’t given us a single issue. In my opinion, money well spent.
My grandfather had a Miele dishwasher for 20 years and always used to talk about how well it lasted. It outlived him. I wish the family had kept it for me. I bet it would outlive me as well.
Had a basic Miela in 2002, kept it going for 13 years. When Bosch, Hotpoint and Hoover longest kept going was 3 1/2 years. Even had Hoover pack up within 7 months and had to pay the labour to install new control switch under guarantee.
Saying that took a flyer and bought a direct drive Panasonic NVA 1400rpm 10kg 6 1/2 years ago RRP £550 got delivered £340 and its quiet.
I'm thinking of buying a Miele this year, rather pricey but I know it's going to last the pace!
We've had our Miele 26 yrs and cost has us £200 in repairs in the whole of that time. It still works perfectly well. When we had it repaired he said it had done 16000 hours of use. They are rated to 20,000 hours. Would I pay £1k for another.... yes
We've had a Miele washing machine for 9 years so far. No problems yet. Funny thing is economy. It uses less power with a longer 3hr wash than a shorter 1hr 49 min wash, and less water.
We bought a cheap Beko machine 6 years ago after having bosch and miele, both lasted about four years before becoming more expensive to repair than a brand new Beko. The cheap Beko has worked perfectly having two or three washes a week for 6 years and still is perfectly good, still looks new and is very quiet and does a damn good wash. Dont waste money on expensive machines, I can buy three cheap Beko;s for one Bosch !
My first Miele i left at my former home after 23 years of use.
From 1976-1999
I cleaned the timer that turns when the program goos once.
Powdered the rubber regular and cleaned out the little pool of water between the door and drum every now and then.
Always left the door open after using.
And cleaned the filter.
It was parked in the kitchen.
Did not keep contact with the later occupants but they helped me move as a payment.
I am still on my second machine / appartement and trying to be as nice as possible to both.
Be safe 💪
Well I always go for a high quality but lowest unnecessary tech machine these days, I used to buy the cheapest machine and expect to replace it every few years. Currently I have an 8kg AEG. It's over ten years old and has NEVER gone wrong. Bearing in mind 2 kids, my wife's catering hire business (mucky tablecloths) and I'm a welder fabricator, it gets a bloody hard life!
Spot on...
I've got a cheap 8kg beko that cost about £200. It's a workhorse that suits our lifestyle perfectly in terms of how we wash our clothes. We separate into loads so massive drums are no good for us. We can customise our loads by temperature and spin speeds too. It's about 6 years old and hasn't given us any grief at all, even when we were washing cloth nappies. We always wash towels on a 90° with no softener so it essentially gets regular machine cleans because of that, which I think has helped it survive so long. They don't make the same model anymore so won't be able to replace it when it eventually dies, but I don't think we'll be able to get the same balance of price, performance and customisation in another machine.
Agree. We had 7kg Beko washing machine for 7 years. Never had any problems with it, not a bip, washed very well with a great choice of programmes which were easy to customise for my needs in terms of temperature, speed and time saving. In the end we replaced it with 10kg Haier washer drier as Beko doesn't manufacture washer driers of such a large capacity which a great shame.
I use a Beko which is 8 years old, and only had to replace the pump after 7 years, which was a really simple fix. £25 and 10 minutes later, jobs a goodun! 👍
It does everything I want it to do, and is reasonably quiet. Original price was around £280 I think, so cannot grumble at all.
The older Bekos were so good, we had two that lasted for years and were only replaced due to needing a larger capacity, sadly the new ones are awful. My new Beko machine which is the most expensive washing machine in their range, broke down after a mere 23 days due to the drain pump failing and an electronics fault. Build quality is horrendous, the entire door is plastic including the hinges and the plastic of the inner and outer door scratches and distorts during normal washes. The drum light is an led shoved into a thin metal 'cage' housing which stays on for 10 minutes when the machine is switched on, including when doing a cycle, and doesn't come on when the door is opened, as beko were too cheap to put some kind of sensor for that. Wash wise though it was pretty good but nowhere near as good as the old ones. I'd say only the stain removal was better.
It was an insurance replacement for a vestel/Electra machine which could have been repaired, but there was no set date for when the parts would come in and they were not cheap or easy to get hold of parts. I regret not trying harder at finding an alternative way of washing our stuff while I waited, and insisting on a replacement instead, because the Electra machine was basic but very very robust and took the most water out with the spin cycle, of any machine we have had. It was also a 10kg machine but the drum was bigger than the Beko. I am now looking at the mid priced Bosch machines but I am wary as even they have some bad reviews.
I am a life long Miele customer. My flat had a built in Bosch washer dryer which I hated - I was so pleased when it needed replacing. My new Miele washer dryer with the Twin Dos automatic detergent delivers better stain removal than the supermarket choices. I think your videos are great - very informative on not very exciting topics. Keep them going.
On my second Miele now, first one lasted 14 years, had to have the motor replaced, but was done under its 10 year guarantee. My second one is coming up 5 years old, didn't pay as much, but still as good as the day we got it.
Miele only gives 2 years warranty on the machines I looked at.
I have a Bosch 6 series and I absolutely love it. Quiet and so far reliable. Mine doesn't have WiFi because I don't want Mi5 listening to my conversations. lol
As far as the WiFi feature goes on the Series 6 machine, you mention:
1. The ability to start the machine remotely:
Well couldn't you just use the delay start function, and/or rinse hold if necessary?
2. Self diagnosis:
You can normally diagnose faults via error codes that appear on the display.
3. Additional programs:
As I understand it, you can allocate only one additional program to the machine, but again, I find that a bit of a gimic, especially when you have all the built in options for spin speeds, wash temperature, extra rinses etc.
But all that aside, with all these extra electronic gimics, it makes the machine more complicated, or sophisticated, with the potential for more to go wrong, simple plug and play fixes for a service engineer for a fee, but potentially rendering the machine unusable for the consumer. And if you are out of warranty, electrical problems tend to be the most expensive to fix!
You also say the motor has a 10 year guarantee on the Series 6 model. Does this include Labour, or is it just for the part?
I know the Series 6 machines are made in Germany, whereas a lot of the cheaper Bosch machines are made in China or elsewhere, and aren't as highly rated as the Series 6 machines, as the Series 6 machines tend to be better built, according to consumers.
But in all honesty, I would rather do without all the electrical gimics, such as WiFi, and just have a machine that was mechanically sound, for £100 less or so. Because I don't need the gimics, nor would most users I'm guessing.
Great video, as always!
Just to point out about capacity; difference between 7kg and 9kg are only for cotton programme.
Other programmes are the same for both models: Easy Care - 4kg, Mixed load - 4kg, Silk, wool - 2kg.
It's true that better model has bigger drum volume by 15%, and that's important.
About the noise; 3dB difference doubles the sound intensity, but 10dB increase is required before a sound is perceived to be twice as loud. Every single dB contributes to noise pollution, so it's very important to have low noise appliances.
Very true on these points, i should have mentioned about the smaller load programmes. Thanks for the great feedback
tbh all the new inverter machines are quite quiet.
I have a Miele after years of cheap washers. I worship it had it nearly two years now. I do not use fabric conditioner at all now after seeing the messy gunk that collected under the drawer of my previous machine
The best washer I had prior to this was a second hand Whirlpool.I bought it from a elderly lady who had only used it a few times she was going into a care home so had to sell it. It lasted 10 years but I do not think they are made any more
they say fabric conditioners play havoc on your knicker elastic
I have a Miele washer and a separate drier the washing machine has a ten year warranty, both are doing well, would recommend that brand
Just replaced a now-dead Simpson Esprit after 27 years. If I get a quarter of that life out of my new Bosch (flipping expensive) then I guess I should be happy.
Is there no manufacturer that still makes a fully mechanical machine?? I don't give a toss about LCD screens or being able to set a timer to start the wash. Just an old clunk-clunk-clink dial you pull out to start the cycle and I'd be more than satisfied.
I've always adhered to the '5B' rule: bare bones but best brand . . . it has served me well over the years. I enjoy your channel, thank you!
spot on , the Cheapest MIele is going strong .
5B rule?
Depends on the brand. Bosch now outsource their cheaper models.
I've had a White Knight tumble dryer still going with one door catch replacement since 2002, Can't believe a hundred quid dryer has lasted this long.
Niether can the rest of us..😅
The db scale is logarithmic, not linear. Let me assure you that the audible difference between 72db and 74db would be very hard to notice. If, you wish to effectively double the volume, make something twice as loud, you need an increase of no less than 10db!
Yes it's logarithmic, volume doubles every 3db though. So it's 2/3rds as loud which is noticeable.
@@khalidacosta7133 you are mistaken. In order to gain an increase of 3db, you need to double the power. An amplifier delivering 1w to a 90db efficient loudspeaker will produce 90db of SPL or audible volume. If you double the power output of the amplifier to 2w, there will be a SPL increase of 3db! In order to double the audible volume you need an SPL of 10db. So the power output of the amplifier would need to increase 10 fold. You would need that amplifier to deliver 10w to that speaker to achieve 100wSBW and effectively double the perceived audible volume. So going back to your scenario with the 2 washing machines, 1 producing an SPL of 72w at maximum spin speed, the other producing 74db, the difference would be barely audible to the human ears. Do your research my friend, you will find the facts corroborate my explanation!
My apologies, SPL stands for Sound Pressure Level. A few occasions in the above narrative i in error put SBL. On every instant that should SPL. That does not invalidate my explanation and humble attempt to correct this chap.
@@khalidacosta7133 Mate, its in the name 'DECIbel'. The log has a base of 10 instead of the 'e'. So the volume doubles at every 10 db increment.
@@howardskeivys4184 @Todesengel Yep, decibel was originally conceived for transmission loss in telephones. I.e due to resistance, a 1v signal that travels 100km, the voltage would drop to 0.8v. However, this is not applied to Sound Pressure Level (SPL) as sound is not an electrical signal - the suffix after dB is the important part, as it indicates the reference value by which the ratio is calculated. For acoustics, while everybody says, "dB", it should have said, "dB SPL". The reference value is what the quietest sound the human ear can hear, which is 20 micropascals. (unit of measure for pressure).
Now for some practical examples, at 1 meter away, a jackhammer making 100dB of noise would produce a pressure level of 2 Pascals. The same jackhammer making 110dB of noise should produce 4 Pascals under your theory but doesn''t. It produces 6.32 Pascals - A bit over triple - the pressure level doubles every 3Db (roughly.. when rounded up to make it easier to calculate differences). Your ears are calibrated pressure sensors that can detect minute changes in air pressure, sampled very quickly, which is perceived as sound. It is also why you can "feel" the lower frequencies.
This is before you take into account of reflected sound too (notice how some rooms echo more than others?)... so the difference between 72 and 74dB can be even greater, especially in rooms which are smaller and have hard surfaces, which is where washing machines get typically installed.
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure#Sound_pressure_level
@@khalidacosta7133 I could quote a multitude of scientific and acoustic literature, contrary to your opinion and research. I won’t. This is in acute danger of becoming a circular debate. That is to say, that we could continue the discussion for eternity, but never agree, in other words go round in circles, which like a circle is, pointless. We’re going to have to agree to disagree.
My background is in physics. Culminating in a diploma in practical and applied physics. My speciality interest is acoustics. I’m an audiophile and I have spent years and years of experimentation, trial and error in acoustic correction. I’ve spent tens of thousands of pounds on dozens of audio components getting the sound balance to my liking. All of my learning and experience and all of your quotes will not change the fact that there is no way 74db is twice as loud as 72db.
Feel free to reply to this comment. I will not offer a rebuttal. As I explained, I don’t want to get into a perpetual circular debate!
I'm on my 4th or 5th consecutive Bosch washing machine, and the current one has been the least reliable, 3 repairs so far and the first was under warranty. Experience has shown that even the more expensive machines are no more reliable than the cheaper ones. My philosophy is to go for a "well known brand of good reputation" but buy at the lower end of the price range. I can't understand why hot fill is banned, using hot water was surely quicker and cheaper than heating mains water from cold using an electric element in the washing machine, seems we have the EU to blame for that.
Nothing beats a hotpoint washer and dryer
I had the same with Bosch, I had 3 and they all failed quickly. I have had Samsung for a long time now, I actually left that Samsung at my rental and 2 families used it. My Samsung now is 7 years old and hasn’t had any problems and it gets used a lot.
Wow, given that my machines last over 10 years without fault and you probably didn’t get one till you were 20 you must be +80yo, I’m glad you’re still with us!
@@andyxox4168 Close, I'm in my 60s and when the kids were young the washing machines got used daily. One Bosch only lasted about 4 years. I'd be much happier if they'd each lasted at least 10 years. Hard water does not help their longevity
@@cmartin_ok … then I’m lucky to be in a soft water area and experience +10 years of machine life with 3-5 washes a week (if you need more washes you must be squeaky clean or have 5 kids, a dog and a mucky wife 😉) without maintenance indeed the last machine only needed brushes at about £5 a pair and has now given good service for +12 years.
Still it goes to show how big some people’s impact on the planet is!
I bought a miele top of the range after getting through three budget machines in five years. It has been going strong for twenty six and a half years !. In its life it has had one new door seal after I managed to yank it off pulling a kingsize duvet out of the machine and a new pump just under one year ago. It has been worth every penny and paid for itself many times over. Needless to say when it finally dies another miele will take its place.
On a side note my miele tumble dryer is about fifteen years old and has never broken down !.
In the meantime machines got more complex and unmaintanable. Not sure how Miele evolved.
I had a Siemens top of the range and weighed a ton lasted me 25 years. Amazing German engineering. Eventually I could not get it moved to a flat so had to take it to a tip and I felt sorry to dump it in working order. German machines are so brilliantly made. The best thing is that you could not even hear it when it was spinning at top speed
The Old machines did last tried with a new one 4 to 5 years Max.
Quality has dropped in everything the last 20 years, as for German brilliantly made, do they make them - highly likely no. The ones that are having had to deal with the German arrogance 'everything perfect attitude' 'alwys right' video evidence always prevails. The better Bosch Siemens and Neff very very smilar designs with different panels and price differences all made in same company. Choice is pay £200 more for a Siemens over a £550 Bosch or £300 more for same item labelled Neff.
@@jhareng I wonder if people know the histories of these companies.. mankind can be very forgiving.
@@chrisburnby62 Yes our ancestors would be turning in their graves. Why is it when we won both world wars our manufacturing ceased 40 odd years ago, whilst Bosch and the like used forced labour to produce armaments they shouldnt have been building any way after WW1.
The only ones that prospered including the Japanese were the foreign war factories, ours long gone.
@@chrisburnby62 I do agree with you, though I think there's a difference between forgiving either the current generation (e.g VW mpg scandal) Vs a previous generation, from which few are likely not alive and nor are their principles. It's a tough one, but I do think forgiveness is important, even if we don't forget.
I got a LG machine at my summer home because of lower power consumption. I run it on solar panels with no battery. If a cloud comes over, it stops. I wait for cloud to pass and restart it. It remembers where it left off. I feed hot water into the cold inlet and run all cycles on hot water. Detergent feed is spotless from this hot water. The same machine at home gets mold in the dispenser which has to be cleaned every year.
I just replaced my 10 year old Bosch Washer Drier with a new Bosch Machine. So far I'm very impressed with the new machine - larger load capacity, a few additional features and much quieter. I selected the model I chose using Which? Magazine.
What module did you go for
I just go with Beko now. Unfortunately often not worth repairing machines now. I expect to. Replace after 3 or 4 years, although maybe it will last longer now the kids have left home. I honestly don’t think it’s worth spending more for an expensive model. I think manufacturers build in a failure time personally!!
Samsung has been great for me, both lasted at least 9 years, I run a cat charity so they get some right hammer. I pay less than 500.00.
That’s an easy one - yes definitely. Our Miele washing machine is now 30 years old, gets used many times a week, and is still going strong. Let’s just say it doesn’t owe us a bean.
Do you live in a hard water area or have a water softener? Scale is one of biggest killers.
@@JohnnyMotel99 I live in a soft water area so scale has never been an issue.
@@jeremymeara6546 one good reason your Miele has lasted.
It will be interesting to see how much power it uses per year compared to a new machine.
I have learnt a lot from this video. Did not know what the round part was for. Thank you.
Get a spinner as well.
Less electric needed when tumble drying and less wear on the clothes. And the extra benefits of a quicker drying time and saving the washing machine bearings by being able to use it on a slower spin speed (1000 rpm).
And could go one better by drying using a DESICCANT dehumidifier and rack, (cheaper appliance, no clothes wear, less damp).
I think the saddest thing about appliances these days is their planned obsolescence, at least here in North America. I just replaced the washer/dryer that was in this old house. They were put in early 1970's and as best as I could tell had never even needed repairs in the last 40 years. Sadly the dial broke on the washing machine and it was too old to find a replacement. The washer wasn't efficient at ALL, and it ripped a couple pieces of clothing, but for the most part it worked great. These new replacements I got will maybe last 10 years at the most, and so far every front load high efficiency washing machine I've had has needed maintenance every couple of years for one reason or another.
They say they will save you on monthly bills, but I don't think people calculate the full cost. They're a terrible cost in resources making all these very fancy complex machines that break down so often and get replaced every 10 years or less. That's a huge burden on mining, especially the rare metals for the motherboards, as well as all the water and petroleum products used in refining raw materials, manufacturing, and shipping. Not to mention a huge financial burden for the consumer who has to pay thousands every decade for new appliances and then hundreds to repair them. The $5 a month it saves you on utilities is barely a drop in the bucket if you look at the big picture.
I have have my Hotpoint Aquarius for 20 years rated A had brushes replaced and still good as new spins clothes dry and I never ever have to iron just put on a hanger job done great machine!
I have had 2 washing machines so far, The first Beko was a 5kg basic spec and lasted 10years and was never touched, the 2nd was a Beko 8kg which clogged up the filter at least 4 times a year and only lasted 4 years. I will never buy Beko again and spent the extra and bought a 10kg Candy 1400 spin and what a revelation compared to the Beko.
Yes. You get a more responsive machine that lasts longer and works better. Mine is an LG direct drive that's 12 years old and still going strong
The more features a washing machine has, the more there is to go wrong, just look how long the Whirlpool machines last (20+ years if you were wondering) and they only have 2 or 3 wash cycles. Let's be honest, no one ever weighs their laundry before the put it in the machine and most people just use the 'normal' cycle 80+% of the time. I have a 12 year old basic Bosch and it has done my family of 4 proud. For me, the trick is to not overload them, and clean them regularly. I line dry our clothes as often as possible and only use the dryer if I have no other option, I also think if you have a lot of clothes and bedding to dry, it's worth taking them to a laundromat and using a big commercial machine (or 2) which can handle the weight of wet clothes.
Electronic displays and touch screens - more to go wrong. Good old-fashioned mechanical switch for on-off was best, because then I could use a mains timer to turn the machine on at a time to suit me
Miele are the best machines. Very well built and much quieter than the competition. Yes they tend to be more expensive to buy but will last longer than a Bosch.
Because of space we have a washer dryer. We went through 3 cheap models in around 9 years, 1 in just 2 years. We then spent almost double on a better brand. 12 years later we are still going great.
Yeah, even 12 years ago, things were made much more durable than they are now. Expect to spend at least £500 for a machine with similar life expectancy these days. But steer clear of inferior products from China, such as Bush, HiSense, Haier, Hoover sadly, and even some Hotpoint models.
I can recommend buying a more expensive machine. We bought a higher priced bosch machine and it was really worth it, the eco and quick options are really good, and it has a lot of programs. It's now 8 years old and has not been serviced even once.
Mine too
I bought the 10kg Bosch Serie 4 washing machine for my mom which is the least I could do and love her too much 🙂
To me it’s a no brainer. Siemens washing machine, dishwasher and fridge bought 20 years ago and still working.
I bought a Bosch series 4, 8 kilo washing machine November 2018 in the sale around £350, has the inverter motor, not as quiet as it was when new, nowhere near as quiet as the 5 year old John Lewis 1200 it replaced, sad to say the John Lewis machine blew up just as the wash finished.
the Bosch does wash well, doesn't try leaving the kitchen when spinning as Hotpoint machines have done [it was levelled ] has plenty of wash times , the cotton wash can be taken from 3 plus hours to 2 plus hours to 1 hour, the 30 min, quick wash is good but the spin leaves things very damp unlike the John Lewis machine, luckily washing is mainly line dried, if not have to do an extra spin.
So far very pleased with the Bosch series 4, just hope it lasts as long as people say they do [used 2 to 3 times per week]
Also bought a Bosch 50/50 frost free fridge in 2019 to replace a 10 year old Hotpoint frost free fridge freezer.
the Bosch is well built, very quiet and has lots of room considering it's dimensions
have had frost free fridge freezers since 1994, would not go back to frosty ones now.
I always wanted a Bosch washing machine in our household, as we've had a Bosch dishwasher working faultlessly for over 14 years (so much so the plastic fascia failed before any of the mechanical parts have). Hence when we moved house, our existing machine was too tall to fit under the worktop so it was the perfect excuse to get a new one. The machine we purchased was worth, I'm pretty sure, around £699 RRP but was discounted to around £450 due to clearance. That was five years ago and it's worked well ever since, bar a couple of easily resolved filter issues. Considering a lot of machines these days succumb to bearings issues at around the 3-4 year mark, I'm impressed with the quality, particularly as more or less everything is sealed together these days and cannot be easily and inexpensively repaired. So, I recommend Bosch all the way and if you can get a rather expensive machine at a discount price, it's a good way to go.
I have a 4 year old Daewoo Washing Machine it was only £180 new. Normally I would have got something more expensive but at the time it was all I really wanted to spend. It's lasting longer than I expected to be honest.
My Daewoo has been very reliable. I got the bottom of the line model 15 years ago and it's still going. Only needed a new motherboard for the control panel a couple of years ago. Twenty dollars spent and installed in 5 minutes. Love honest repairmen! Otherwise I would have had to shell out the big money for a new model.
I always go for a simpler machine as past any warranty it's a lot cheaper to repair - try talking to the guys who repair them as to which they'd prefer to work on.
Obviously people like working on Easier jobs. No one wants to work harder for their money. Thats the lazy part of been a human.
Bosch WFK2801, 24-Jan 2000, from Market Spares & Repairs, East Ham Market. The market no longer exists. Creda slot in cooker died in 2004. The wm was old tech being replaced by Classic range when we got it but my habit is to buy best of last range rather than affordable of latest versions. Moved house once in that time. Some bits and pieces have been replaced or bolted back. One engineer gleamed when he saw it "Best washing machine ever" - last overbuilt maintainable machine before proprietry clips and and notches prevent use of generic parts. Up to then, we'd been given an 8-year old machine by friends when we got married (it lasted us at least 10 years and several moves) then we bought used machines that would last about three years before becoming not worth repairing.
Got the wau 9kg 9 months ago. Can't recommend it highly enough. So many positives with the machine, worth every penny.
It could be that you have put a bigger load in than should be in there. If the 30 minute program is designed for 2kg load, and you put a 6kg load in, then it will take a lot longer to wash.
07:01 I have to confess I use only the same two wash programs/cycles on my washing machine despite the myriad of options available! 🤣 And it's cheaper to spin loads 2 or 3 times extra and air dry than use the tumble dryer.
Bought a Miele set that was returned because the appliance company did a bad install (know what a p-trap is folks) and ended up buying a Bloomberg. Love, love, love them. Super quiet, use less water, and less deep so I was able to reinstall my closet I folding doors.
This explains why my grandmother’s Blomberg is so good.
I chose it because it wasn’t too cheap and had good simple controls and fast spin decent eight kilo capacity and very efficient. The durations were sensible and it’s nearly silent.
Currently looking to replace so I’ll have to look at this brand. Hadn’t heard of it!
I had one a few (15?) years ago. The control computer died when it was a month out of warranty, and it would have cost about £300 to repair. Cost about £450 originally
@@paulqueripel3493 strange I never had that issue with my grandmother’s Blomberg.
@@Truth1561 if you live in a condo Blombergs have a smaller profile which you will appreciate. I agree. Super quiet. Many modes including quick and super quick wash but also pet mode and denims. Love my ventlessdryer too. Takes a bit longer but super quiet. Clothes come out with just a puff of moisture which is better for their longevity, too
After 40 years every washing machine has lasted 6-7 years This was confirmed at a building maintenance course where the instructor pointed to the life cycle of washing machines saying that manufacturers would plan for a 7 year cycle plus he pointed out if 6-7 years old don't waste your time to repair. I spent 2 day fixing one the machine was £275 I spent £90 on materials no labour and it broke down on a different fault 6 months later so I bought a similar machine for £295.
After that like clockwork my machines would break down or start playing up 6-7 years after purchase and funny enough the replacement machine was the same cost after 6 years
My ex insisted on spending 500 quid on a Bosch washer some years ago. Within a few weeks, one of bra wires pierced through the seal ( I know... ). We had a 5 week wait until the new seal arrived. The engineer did point out that had we chosen the £230 Hotpoint that I wanted, he carried the seals on his van.
I had a Servis washing machine (remember them) for 14 years but had to get rid because of no spare parts for my model. But it was £180 and it lasted 14 years. Shame really because it was still in great condition (apart from the PCB burning out).
I have the idos. I love the convenience that you fill it with liquid detergent and softener once in awhile and it lasts for many days. Even a kid can use it, it's so much easier.
As with anything else, it depends on one’s circumstances. We bought what some people would consider expensive machines, the Blomberg 24” stackable pair. But we are very satisfied with the results. The high speed spin of the washer complements the ventless dryer, and with only two of us, they easily handle the several loads per week.
We had a very expensive LG washer, lasted 12 years but finally broke down. Needed a machine quickly so took a chance on a cheap £200 mechanical Hotpoint and I can't fault it. Does everything the LG did but much quieter. Had it 3 years now and not sure if we'll bother with high end again. There's only the two of us so maybe that helps.
I wouldn't rate LG - other than to be a brand to walk away from. Used to be Goldstar (video recorders) - that's what the G is for in LG.
What’s a mechanical machine mean?
@@Shane-zx4ps Possibly the old style mechanical programmer ?
I bought a cheap Creda machine 25 years ago.
Still going strong and has never seen a spanner.
Mind you, I only do one wash a week.
I'm not quite sure how I stumbled across this video. Washing machines are kinda meh. But I do weirdly have a bit of experience with what works and what doesn't. AEG used to last forever, German engineering was built to last, but not these days, unless it is for industrial use. I lived in Switzerland for 10 years, if you live in an apartment building in Switzerland, there will be a shared laundry room. The washing machines are designed for domestic use, but they cost between £1000 - £1500 each and are built to last for years and years. A bit bigger than standard but if you have the space, get one. The washing machines we get here in the UK are not designed to be repaired.
I didn't know every 3Db the sound doubles, very interesting and good to know!
Usually washing machine motor brushes and drum bearings fail around the 10 year mark. Some more, some less, regardless of brand. That's the way i see it. Brushes are easy to change... bearings not so much lol.
Agreed, you can be lucky or vice versa
Great Video, but the decibel is a ratio of two quantities and taken with the log of base 10 instead of the natural log where the base is 'e' (approximately 2,7). So the volume doubles at every interval of 10 db instead of 2,7 or 3.
Im glad someone else picked this up
I also agree that the higher end machines makes a lot of sense. I do like to point out that as user it is imperative to really study the user manual and watch videos on how to use the system to get the best performance. My Bosch is a 3 year old Active Oxygen machine that came to it best performance and especially detergent saving after watching videos.
For any given spin speed, the larger the diameter of the drum, the greater effort will be made to remove water.
I THINK ! doubling the drum diameter doubles the water removal force.
You are 100% correct.
But larger machine will have increased depth and not the diameter.
Only the extreme large machines like LG 18 and 31 KG front loaders, we see tub with larger diameter.
But 6, 7, 8 and 9KG machines will have same diameter drum.
@@RamakrishnanSRM Compare doors - one on the right does look larger - so it may have a slightly larger drum.
What about
- the quality if the motor
- the kind of suspension and dampener system the drum is mounted in
- the bearing the drum runs in, and it's cage material (plastic or metal)
- the material of the washing pan and the drum (plastic stainless steel, etc.)
- body rust protection (spray paint or ceramic coating)
I used to love A-series Hoover machines (from the days before Candy got involved) and always found Hotpoint to be very maintainable - right up to the stage where welded plastic tubs turned an £8.00 bearing swap into a £150 repair!,
I’ve got a Neff now. Bought it new but damaged saving £500 in the process and found as I rebuilt it that it’s a genius machine clearly designed by someone who’s had to work on appliances. No going back now!
Ridiculous paying loads of money for a washing machine, they can last 2 years or 10 years you can be just lucky unlucky
@@Shane-zx4ps thanks for your expert opinion. I’ve made it this far though…
@@jonchilds1637. No need for sarcasm, I’m not an expert, I’m just a humble guy with years of experience, which is gives you expertise..
@@Shane-zx4ps 45 years in my case…
With the app can you use voice. I have several patients who are blind & that has restricted them to a standard dial selector because they can stick markers on the main programmes.Digital screen is fine for many, but we can see. I have a 12 year old Miele which came with a 10 year parts & labour warranty. You don’t get that on cheap machines. As my commercial laundry engineer friend says. Buy cheap, buy more or buy more expensive & buy less.You get what you pay for with many things in life.
Great video and yes I have the lowest cost machine you were demonstrating on. The thing I hate about it is the length of time each wash takes compared to the Bosch I had before. I discovered if I press the time button on this new one, on say, 40 wash I can cut it down to half the time but...it takes a while to adjust the clothes in it as it flashes 4kg . I’ve sussed it now to balance the clothes around the drum! I used to get all my washing done in a day with my old Bosch if I followed the times with this one it would take two days to wash everything, then there’s the tumble drying! I wish I had chosen the more expensive one you were showing.
Honestly, the amount of difference in the moisture left in fabrics between a 1200 and 1400 spin machine is miniscule, maybe around 2 or 3% difference. Your laundry would still be damp, even if it was spun at 5000 rpm.
And the price difference some manufacturers charge for a higher spin speed is ridiculous. In many cases, two different machines use the exact same motor, and artificially restrict the speed in some machines, to justify a higher price for others.
But if you look at Beko, they might only charge an extra £10 or £20 for the next machine up in the range with a faster spin speed. And Beko machines are great for the money. I have used the same Beko machine, almost daily, for the last EIGHT YEARS, and have only had to replace the pump, which was an easy 10 minute job. And £25 for a new pump. And honestly, I couldn't fault the machine.
But of all the premium German brands, I would have a Miele, if I could afford it.
@@hermanmunster3358 Higher spin speed more creases.
If you are a jeans and T shirt kind of family buy a Speed Queen. One without the electronic control board. Thats what I got 8 years ago to replace a Maytag that shat the bed multiple times. It's been flawless and the wife beats the hell out of it.
Then trouble with machines with a bigger load, are larger in dimension depth wise, and will protrude form the work surface.
We are on our 4th washing machine in 10 years (we have had our own home for 10 years). When buying a washing machine, the 2 important things to look at is, the capacity and the spin speed, which have been covered in this video. 7-8kg is plenty and 1400rpm spin speed is more then enough. Nothing wrong with using a 2nd or 3rd spin, which is what I do to cut down of drying time. We have had both cheap and more expensive machines, I would choose a cheaper machine and I would pick a machine that isn’t digital. Get something with a dial as opposed to a screen and buttons.
They are my opinions anyway, I’m sure everyone will say differently.
The fact you only get an average of 2.5 years out of your machine shows that it's not worth buying cheap. Spend more up front, you get a better wash, and over that 10 years it would have likely worked out less cost overall. My AEG is over 4 years old and could easily be sold as new, it's still in perfect condition.
Buy cheap, you buy twice.
I thought it would be a good idea to buy a more expensive washing machine a few years ago. I bought an LG with a direct drive drum (with a ten year warranty on the drive) so no belts to go wrong. After about two years it started screaming at me, and it turned out the bearings had gone. The cost of repair was so expensive that it was cheaper to buy a new washing machine. My policy now is to buy cheap machines and replace them when they break.
Just bought a LG today. Our Maytag 2000 Bit the dust Christmas Day😢. Did about 4 loads tonight in the new machine. Maytag lasted about 6 years .
@@greganphotography When my LG started playing up I was told that it won't be the bearings because the bearings don't fail on that particular machine! One time a washing machine repair man told me about a client who had an expensive Miele. The electronics broke and the repair would have been really expensive. The repair man told him that it would be cheaper to go out and buy a Hotpoint.
Me too. Hate the idea of our disposable economy but experience has taught me that it’s the most sensible option costwise
@@catwoman7462 My washing machine repair man told me Miele were probably (at that time) the best machines available BUT that there were so few Miele engineers (at that time) that you could wait a long time to get it repaired so he said on that basis, they weren't worth the risk.
@@greganphotography I'm now in my second direct drive washing machine. My first must of lasted twenty years before it developed a fault and stopped working. I figured it had done it's bit and didn't bother getting it looked at. Maybe some of this is down to the luck of the draw.
Very interesting review. We had a Bosch for over 20 years without any problems but it failed on the first day of lockdown. We removed it and put in a second hand Hotpoint as a temporary measure until we could get another Bosch installed. The Hotpoint is still going fine, my main complaint is it is cold fill only. With a tank of hot water from my gas fired CH it seems crazy to heat the water by electricity. However it appears the vast majority of washing machines are the same these days.
What I do is fill up a few pans of hot water from the tap, set the washing machine to its program when it starts (to fill) open the door and manually fill it.
I use a watering can in the soap drawer to fill with 5 or 10 litres of hot water👍
I'm glad I'm not the only bonkers person who adds hot water to the drawer. I reckon it helps warm the terribly cold water from the mains before the heater kicks in. I have a 28 year old Zanussi washer dryer and although it's hot and cold fill, it only takes hot water on the 60C+ programmes.
@@VCanisMajorisY Nice hack 👌
We had a Bosch 2 years then got a hole in the drum. A common problem with all machines as the outer drum is plastic. The build quality is better but the drum is the same on all machines now.
I'll stick with the F&P top loader. Yes it uses more water but is way faster and for soak loads can soak alot compared to front loaders. Plus it uses hot solar water feed in here in Australia. Never understood heating water on peak electricity in a washing machine - crazy expensive. Ps doing only cold washes will eventually soil the machine resulting in specs of dirt and bad smells no matter which brand.
I'm a Bosch washing guy so its great to see two of theirs compared, thanks
Hi. Washing machines. I belived in spend more money, get a better washing machine. I live a lone and disabled so i dont use a washing machine like a family. I alway bought the biggest drum. So i could wash quits and things. I get an average up to 2 years out of a washing machine. Then when they breakdown. I get told i need a new machine. Costing me a fortune. Until one day i needed a washer urgenly. Then i was given a cheap one from a family (used everyday). It was about 2 years old at the time i got it. I cant remember how long iv had it now. But its stil going strong. The washing machine i have is a hotpoint 6kg VML540 aquarius
I got an expensive Bosch washer drier when new it worked well only I could not use the drier as it made everything smell bad only used it a couple of times a week only for the mane bearings to go on it after 4 years the repair man said dump it as it would be to much work to strip it down and rebuild it that is why I only buy cheap washers and chuck them when they go wrong and get a new one.
Basic for me.
I have had a Hotpoint since the 80s and its still going strong.
On the higher end machine, it'd be interesting to know how many years it'd be before Bosch announce they'll no longer be updating or continuing with service App. (As happened with my Kindle Fire tablet interactive help function after about 5 years.)
I replaced my 12 year old Hotpoint 8kg 1600rpm, bearings had failed and at 87db I couldn't hear anything. It had other problems, including F22 which was fixed by opening and closing the door several times, a wiring fault, refusing to wash on occasion or missing the spin cycle leaving clothes wet etc.
I went for a Blomberg WF194410W. As I have a smart meter, I was able to compare electricity usage between an old A+ rated machine and the new rate B (old A+++) and the new machine uses hardly any electricity. Warranty is far better 3 years parts and labour and 10 yrs on the Inverter motor.
Have the Bosch WAX32GH4GB, 10kg load, absolutely love it.
I have a bosch dryer which is good ,however my candy washing machine is now 17 years old and still used 2 to 3 times a week .
A 3db increase is not twice as loud, it is a slight increase in volume.
It requires twice the power to achieve a 3db increase, but we perceive sound volume logarithmically, so it takes twice the power to achieve a perceptible volume change. Hence the dB scale.
ASEA and Miele are the two washers we have that last for ages.
ASEA =ASKO
Spin speed in not necessarily best for water removal. Drum design is more important. Spin speed can on some can affect the bearings on cheaper models. So slower can be expensive on repairs.
I bought currys own budget washer 5 years ago and the only problem I've had is the heating element packed up, other than that it's been brilliant.
Once, I bought 2 microwaves. A top-end Panasonic and a budget Curry's Matsui brand. The Panasonic does conventional cooking and has a grill. The Matsui is purely microwave. If I had to choose between them for a microwave oven only, I'd go for the Matsui.
Personally I only ever buy Miele ,, my misses is thai and also works in a care home and yes I wash 7 days a week , the current one we have is now 11 years old washes on 20 mins with a 1400 spin and the clothes come out clean and dry .
It was £700 new and is still running like new never had a problem , dunno how many of them junk Chinese machines my mate has had in that time ,, allways buys the cheapest crap which in the end is twice as much
had a hand me down Zanussi this failed after about 20 years so I bought another as you would, that lasted 2 years and there is just me who used it. the old one had a plastic container that held the concrete ballast weight the new one just had bare concrete. the new one exploded when the concrete ballast weight cracked and hit the drum on the 1400 spin cycle, the bang could be heard from the bottom of my garden whilst I was in the garage. the new machine did not have a plastic container for the concrete ballast just a single steel wire inside that of course fractured. some of the concrete ballast was actually found inside the drum in the washing! The washing machine jumped to the middle of the kitchen, but as I had plumbed it in had plenty of slack on the water pipe so no water spraying and flooding the house. so they are built to such a price point they are damaging their brand. i tell everybody and anybody what a load of garbage they are. I now know I could of claimed under the fair use policy as it was hardly used with just one person using it. i just save up and buy miele for everything now.
What the customer really wants to know is how the dealer margin differs between entry-level and premium models! 😉
Funny you should say that, i went in a national electrical suppliers before internet really kicked off 14 years later and left on the desk was a printout of buying and RRP of everything they sold. Most of it was circa 70% markup, what was sold for £590 they were buying in around £330. Quite common to double buying in cost, some even put 400% on. Still bought the Miela from them knowing couldnt get cheaper at £560 delivered in 2002.
Really good video. Hadn’t even considered a lot of the points made and I can see why a more expensive machine is probably better especially with the extended warranty. Nice one!
in nz all washing machines no matter what brand come with a 10 year warranty, even though the manufacturer may only say 1 year, a govt act says the retailer must repair, replace or refund it it breaks down before the 10 years is up
washing machine engineer for 30 years AEG and Bosch specialist, more load equals more stress on bearings and seals, anything above 1000 rpm is a losing proposition, i am fed up with all the bollocks i hear about spin efficiency, it is to do with water escaping through a pre determned amount of holes in a drum rotating at a specific speed, the limit is reached on current technology at 1000 r.p.m. anything else is a sales pitch, which sadly you are guilty of, hey we all have to make a living right, cutting down on water makes for a poorer rinse efficiency you cannot change the law of physics with your sales pitch no matter what you may believe from the company blurb, that is just plain facts. You are upselling a machine twice the price because it is of advantage to your bottom line in profitability. cut the crap a £200.00 washing machine made by any mass manufacturer like a badged indesit will piss all over your figures and will be far cheaper to own in the long run, i notice you do not mention the non extra warranty parts cost of the Bosch appliance spares. A good sales pitch by you, but for all the normal everyday people watching do not be fooled by the utter bollocks presented here by this guy. He is just out for your cash nothing more. ooh lets buy it we can connect it to bluetooth and programme it, big deal it still wont stop it going bang or flooding your kitchen seen that a lot, heartbreaking. this guy is upselling you, and trying to screw an insurance policy out of you as well. do not be fooled. i am very pleased to be proved wrong lets see if mr washing machine guru responds to my critique. ?
Brilliant
@Andrew Reynolds Interesting. Do you have an opinion of standard motor/belt drives VS Direct Drive? I got my first Direct Drive a couple of years ago, and it's amazingly quiet. Though I suspect repairs would be expensive, perhaps it will be cheaper just to replace the whole machine once it fails
@@jumpjet777 direct drive is a great improvement on a belt and pulley system but sadly the parts cost in manufacturing goes up whether it be true direct drive, or by way of a gearbox interface, belts have always been chosen as the number one cost effective drive train system as it is flexible effective cheap and moves to fit the stress placed by the load that is put in the machine, but they are fabricated they stretch out of tolerance and break, but they are cheap and very easy from an engineers point of view to replace, belt noise and whip have always been an issue added to the singular shaft bearing and seal systems used, noise is an inevitable consequence of drive belt systems. When you have a shaft supported by a bearing set on a single axis wear is inevitable noise then follows as a direct consequence. If the single axis shaft bearing could be overcome by say a 3 way shaft and drum support system that would be far more reliable, trouble is the manufacturers don't want mass reliability or longevity, they want you to buy another machine, the true life span of a washing machine now is between 8 to 10 years, a family using it say 2 or 3 times a day will inevitably have bearing drum support and drive train motor bearing issues after roughly 5 years or so, which would prove expensive to put right, hence the throw away society we now live in. Everything is built to cost and the manufacturer knows pretty much how long their product will give good reliable service. There are exeptions I have seen them but it is quite rare and getting rarer as the years go by
Attitude.
@@teresamoore3671
Down to Earth - no BS.
I have a hotpoint 8 years now no warranty and no repairs and it’s still like new
Would like to see a video where you really get into the guts of a machine. exploring motors, bearings ect. and explaining why some massively outlive others. All that stuff about flashing displays I find totally superficial and long for the days when basic reliability was key.
I have Bosch in my apartment and Miele in our house. Miele washes far better than Bosch. All my appliances in both properties are Miele, except for washing machine. Miele is the best!
I have the WAU great machine. Great video. Like a video on how to clean the machine. Not sure how.👍🥇
The Range basic w/machine 8 years ago £170,still going strong 💪
i got a Samsung eco bubble about ten years ago and it is still going never let me down and i am more then happy , yes it was a bit more then most but clearly it was worth it
friends of ours bought a cheaper model around the same time and they have had two machines since (total of three)
A standard 5 year guarantee on parts and labour. Its a no brainer!
Half the time it's pot luck. Even expensive machines can break down. I've had a few brands. AEG, Indesit and Hotpoint. I've had them all on average 6-8 years each with no problems, which, I think is good going. The in-laws had a couple of Mieles. First one lasted 16 years but the newer one was a nightmare. Something always wrong with it . So they got rid and got a John Lewis, which has been great for 4 years up to now.
I had a Bendix for 20 years. I've had Bosch for 12 years touch wood nothing wrong yet
Sometimes the more expdnsive the model, the more headaches you get.
3db is not twice as loud, look it up.
The main thing to check , the more expensive one MAY be designed so that the bearings can be replaced, cheap ones generally come with a sealed drum. A sealed drum means you have to replace the whole drum mechanism when (not if) the bearings wear out, at a cost not that far removed from buying a new cheap machine. Just checked a couple, Bosch drum £145 upwards, bearings on Amazon, mostly about £10-20, for machines that can use them.
Not sure who makes machines that can be repaired at a reasonable cost, it looks like expensive Miele only.
If you can afford it, then yes absolutly. The hotpoints of this world have had thier day. Went for a siemens over a decade ago. It still washes no problems. You know a good machine is done properly, and not with budget parts...
I'm aiming for a Bosch next. Had a Samsung and the spider arm went. Hopefully Bosch spider arms are more durable.
We used to buy Bosch washing machines that were good for around 5 years but then bought a Miele washing machine 14 years ago. Used almost everyday it just works. I note that a new Miele only comes with a standard 2 year warranty despite their claims that it is tested for a 20 year life. If it is meant to last so long why do they not have enough faith to give it a longer standard warranty?
We had an old 5kg machine replaced it with an LG 7 kg with a view to doing less washes problem is I need a programmable wife, she still runs it half full!