My girlfriend watches Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi for the FIRST time
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ม.ค. 2021
- Today, I show my girlfriend the controversial Star Wars film: The Last Jedi. As you can tell from the length of the video, we have a long post-discussion about the film.
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Hey everyone! Long have you waited...
I was originally very cautious of doing this video because I know people have VERY strong opinions about it. Both in favor and against. Our post discussion is very long, and I do my best to cover some main critiques and praises. I know I say this probably in vain, but please do your best to be civil.
We love Star Wars. YOU love Star Wars. Feel free to critique, criticize, praise, or admire. That's totally fine. Just don't be a jerk. May the Force be with you!
Also, check out that sweet Membership option up there. I hear only the coolest Force users are joining. Sith and Jedi alike are welcome. And Mandalorians. And everyone else.
EDIT:
Because many were asking. Here's an "it's a fish" shirt. Still strange that THAT is what has become popular from this series, haha.
www.teespring.com/its-a-fish
Great movie
And its canon sooo🤗
I originally hated it but after recently rewatching all the movies it is one of my favorites. I think it’s because my expectations weren’t met the first time and the second time I just appreciated/accepted that the story was mostly good even though it’s not the one I would have told.
Exactly why cant everyone be civil as the great obi wan kenobi some star wars fans are "so uncivilized "
I'm glad you put the warning on this video. I've seen comment sections explode into chaos over the Sequel Trilogy. I hope the Fandom in this comment section can agree to disagree.
My 4 year old was nearby when I was watching the upload tonight. She has been parroting "oh yeah, you betcha" non-stop around the house. So tell Jenn, thanks for that! 😂
Hahaha! I told her and we were both laughing about it. That made our day!
You are so very welcome. Haha 😂😂😂
She sounds like a cutie! ❤️
How did you make this comment 15 hours ago when the video was uploaded 34 minutes ago?
Lol
@@sindraygd7787 patreon
Me seeing the length of the video and the arguments in the comment section
“This is where the fun begins”
I still kinda like it!
Just... not... all... of it.
Hello fellow Spartan
Lol
@@elatedglint Hello other Spartan
@@chrissonofpear1384 Still liked it more than the last one. Like Holden, I understand some of criticism.
Hearing jenn say things like "hes just lost" "I've never seen a character join the good guys, but then go back" I think she would really enjoy Avatar: The Last Airbender
Yeah, seems like right up her alley!
Zuko ran so kylo could crawl
She'd probably enjoy She-Ra a lot more. Zuko was never actually THAT lost, he was like a vanilla Kylo Ren lol. Catra is more Kylo Ren-esque.
Zuko never did that. He was bad then good
@@tmac731 he was bad but at the end of season 2 he was making progress and then destroyed all that progress by siding with azula again
"I can not be betrayed, I can not be beaten" supream chancellor snoke seconds before he was betrayed and beaten
chancellor?
@@agustinbaletti I mean 'leader'
You know it’s meant to be like that, right? This isn’t an actual criticism of the movie, right?
@@chewy99. yeah, there are 100000 other examples of actual criticism. This was just a joke.
However, for good or ill given ROS that line from Snoke does take on a new meaning.
“they kinda seem like brother and sister”
boy does the next movie have some words for you
this movie already hinted to something different, and the one before....
Brother and sister who have sweaty shirtless conversations lol
@@agustinbaletti yeah, hinted at cringe
It's more like aunt and nephew really.
Pre Disney cannon Han & Lea gave birth to twins. The son went bad & the daughter the opposite in order to defeat him originally. If memory serves correct 🤔..... Disney when they took it over though clearly announcing "we're doing our own thing" kept some parrells as outlines.
Eg again if memory serves right I belive Chewy dies in one of the books instead of Han.
Nobody:
Holden: Dave Fayloni
Video is 50+ minutes: “Wow that’s long!”
It’s Last Jedi: “Oh my bad, makes sense.”
Didn't realize the video was that long lol
It’s the longest one
-Mark Hamill
Rey: *gives Luke his lightsaber*
Luke: IS IT A FISH?!? *proceeds to toss it into the water*
No water actually
Then lifts giant fish from the water...without the Force...
" another lightsaber to add to my collection" *grevious dives in the water*
There’s always a bigger fish
Busted out laughing when Matt's face appeared on the video when Leia did her superman to survive...HILARIOUS
I fell on the floor seeing that
TOASTY!!
I busted out laughing when that scene happened in theaters
Can someone explain the joke to me?
Holden, I agree with you about the Jedi, and I think the movie agrees with you. I think sometimes people forget that the movie disagrees with Luke's point of view that's why he changes his mind. Luke was right that they had issues, but even the movie doesn't think the Jedi should end. Hence why at the end Luke says, "And I will NOT be the last Jedi." That was him accepting that the Jedi would continue and even agreeing that they needed to continue.
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Literally no one ever:
Jenn: “Fish”
I don't know why they don't have merch yet.
This meme died three years ago please stop
Jen: “Alright, y’all. Don’t hate me, okay?”
It’s hard to hate people who wear Mastodon shirts and have good taste in music.
True. However, I had a hard time seeing that horrid 'Sea Shepherd' shirt she wore early on. I hope I don't see that one again.
She was wearing a Tool shirt in a previous video as well!
@@stephenanderson7686 Isn’t that a good thing? If I’m not mistaken, their conservation group protests against any sort of hunting. So I don’t understand why it’s horrid for her to wear that.
My first time editing one of Holdens videos! Also, his (second?) longest non-live streamed video. Hope y’all enjoy it!
what if I didn't
@@beetlepimp4777 To each their own 🤷🏻♂️
Endgame was longer...
@@alectomarvolo7496 Dangit! You’re right! My bad!
@@beetlepimp4777 never thought I’d find the beet on a TH-cam video lol
i was laughing so hard when she called kylo and rey a “sibling dynamic”. especially because that’s what she said about han and leia during the originals😂
Jenn is totally correct. Kylo definitely had the best story arc in these sequel movies (Finn had so much potential, and maybe even Luke, but that opportunity was wasted.
Even kylo could have had a lot more potential
@@cheese012 not wasted but lmfao
@@Stryk3r300 they could have had him fo like really cool stuff and start the sith over again himself that would have been better
Yeah, I hated how they used luke as a character 😭😭 and for me the sequels the last 3 movies looked like a retelling of the original movies it had luke and leia. here you have rey and kylo . The 1st,2th and 3th had anakin and obi wan (I"m not forgetting qui gon jin if I say it right🤔) you see anakin turn and being pulled to the dark side. here they skipped it but you get a little bit of backstory what happend between luke and kylo. So it seems like anakin in the first 3 movies going down the dark path, then luke the following 3 movies carrying the burden and weight, then this with rey it begins like a luke story arc/line but a bit changed and some subtle twisting, and kylo followed his grandfather darth vader. And the main point it makes for me atleast..every person starts of as a good person, but it can all change in an instant just by deceit and lies. Twisting the truth and disguising the lie to turn and corrupt a person, the sith just do this the best.. if someone is emotional (because of a tragedy or loss of a loved one) and already doubting the rules and starting to feel like everyone is against them tada drum roll 🔥🔥here comes the threshold where someone pushes you ever and it's sith time !!! There like a mosquito you hear but can't find at night. There like your so called best friend who wasn't your best friend but played the part like he owned it. And now I"m rambling and I suck in english 😢 but I still liked them even if it's just to get the star wars feeling again. But they got some greater characters in star wars and freaking great cgi sets, phenomenal music and some incredible visuals and alien species 👍
Kylo's arc: I'm evil, now I'm good, now I'm evil, now I'm good.
If Jenn likes Kylo's character, I think she'd really like Zuko!
I kept thinking that.
Infinitely better.
Kylo is like Zuko, but worse.
Petition to watch Avatar before clone wars ?
Can we please get them to watch avatar
“Its a fish. Its literally a fish! -Jen” needs to be a shirt.
❤️❤️❤️
@@jenniferhardman
I've been saying it for a while now you guys REALLY need "OMG IT'S A FISH!!! Merchandise. It's a must now.
@@alexanderthegreat5649 Was literally my comment on this video. "It's A Fish". In the Star Wars font as a shirt, and Jen should wear it for every Star Wars reaction!
Can't believe Holden made the shirt
@@robforrest2069
Agreed
I honestly think not being immersed in the Fandom and anticipation, but still looking forward to and enjoying every Star Wars movies she's seen, makes Jenn's opinion as unbiased as it possibly can be.
Jen: "I'm pro bad guy"
Holden: Buys leather jacket and gets a tattoo.
🤣🤣🤣
stops wearing seatbelts and eating his bread crust
26:34 did he mean to say TLJ VS TROS? because I got confused
Say what you want about the plot of this movie, but you can’t argue that it isn’t visually stunning.
Eh. I think Rogue One is shot better.
@@ThatBlakeCampbell maybe. some of the models in that movie r fantastic. all of the new movies look amazing, as they should.
Yeah the Visuals in Star Wars and Scores of John Williams have always set the bar high.
@@ThatBlakeCampbell if you honestly think that R1 in any kind of capacity has better cinematography than TLJ, then you are just borderline delusional.
@@ThatBlakeCampbell Agreed. Rogue One's still number one in terms of FX and cinematography.
Jen whenever she sees something thats not human: its a fish!!!
If you know, your a real Star Wars fan:
“My stick is better than bacon”
Best thing that came out of this movie
Ohhh yeah!
Hell yeah.
"But it's just a stick"
Yes!
Honestly if anyone ever asked how I felt about this movie, i would just point them to Jens take(other than her extreme love for Kylo 😂). It was honesty cool to see someone who didn’t grow up on these movies like some of us and has a fresher take on this series take issue with the direction this film went with Luke and the Finn side story etc. But I will say she also made me appreciate some things that I kind of forgot were good about this movie because I kinda get caught up in the complaints I have so thanks for that. Keep doing what you’re doing Holden, your content is awesome and your passion really shines through in your work. Im sure you’ve got great things in store for ya man.
luke was literally the best of this movie. So on character, nuanced, boundry pushing. Jen just wants it to be played safe.
Jenn: *sees an alien* "It's a fish!"
Star Wars, Vikings, Tool, Mastodon.. Man, Jenn is just the coolest chick.
For real.
Yeah I was thinking the same, great taste in music, movies and men (Holden is a total G) 10/10 watch every single video!
She needs to finish it off with a Pantera shirt
Rock on with Tool and Mastodon!
Hold up, in what video does she mention Tool? I'd like to know cuz they're my favorite band
“We’ve never seen a bad guy go the the good side and back to the bad before”
Loki: are you sure about that?
Magneto: Am I a joke to you?
Deadpool: Am you a joke I to?
Also, he never goes to the good side in this film. He just sees an opportunity for quick and violent promotion. Which he grasps with both hands.
Me: *sees video is 51 minutes*
Also Me: “begun, this comment war has”
“They’re gnna have some screwed up relationship”
That’s an understatement
“I’m not gonna tell you anything sweetie” followed by immediate face of confusion 😂
An alien walks on screen
No one:
Jenn: It's a fish!
26:34 did he mean to say TLJ VS TROS? because I got confused
So I think one of the biggest reasons people were hurt by this version of Luke is that this undermines the core of his character and how he developed over his movies. His resolve, his incorruptibility, his acceptance of his inner light AND dark, and his ability to master and balance that conflict within... these are the traits that he develops by the end. It’s what allows him to stare down the literal devil, who corrupted his father, and he was able to say “no. I’ll never turn to the dark side. You’ve lost. I am a Jedi, like my father before me.” He is trapped on the Death Star, his father is this broken shell of a man, his friends in the fleet and on the planet are seemingly doomed, and he can still pull himself together and tell Sidious “you can’t break me.”
....So fast forward 30 years and now he’s cowering on an island.... and it’s due to a failure to enact the new Jedi plan he came to understand, something something now he’s scared of the dark side...? Yeah. That wasn’t Luke. It’s not just that we wanted to see Luke go ham on some storm troopers or kick Kylo’s ass, whatever. The entirety of his character development was just so wrong, it made no sense.
Yes, this is it !
THANK YOU! Excuse my language but f*ck all those people who like this movie so much that they can't even admit that this thing about Luke in the last jedi is true! I am tired of people who defend EVERYTHING in this movie although there are things that can't be defended because they are just bad. Every movie has it's flaws and everyone should be able to complain about it without being insulted.
I see what you’re saying and what Holden said about what fans wanted from Luke. I can also see the way they portrayed him being on point if his nephew betrayed and destroyed what he was building. Add that he now becomes the antagonist to the universe? I can give Luke a break that he gave up and cut himself off from the force. He and Anikan have always been portrayed as winery.
1:50 “I want some good twists”
Oh Jen has no idea.
everything in this movie was just a twist Nothing good about any of them.
@@Pizzaman-jf2rg I liked it, but I guess I see where you’re coming from
Most disappointing twists ever.
They are twists alright. But ones designed to undercut satisfying story telling.
@@RS-qc4tg I loved the last jedi
8:15 you cannot escape the ghost of Matt😂
Ahahaha I just had to sneak that into the edit
I swear this comment is civil. But one of the things I think that wasn’t mentioned about Luke’s character, Holden, was that Luke Skywalker has always been known to be hopeful and to see the light in everything and everyone. That’s what makes the scene in Return of the Jedi so impactful. He had the chance to murder his father but threw his lightsaber away and said, “I am a Jedi, like my father before me.”
The question is, why didn’t he see the light in Kylo? Why didn’t he try to help Kylo the same way he tried to help his father? It was completely uncharacteristic, in my opinion, for Luke to try and murder HIS NEPHEW without trying to at least help him turn from the dark side first.
Also, slight nitpick, nothing to do with the actual film’s technical stuff but did anyone else feel disappointed that during his fight with Kylo, he didn’t have a green lightsaber?
Spot on with Luke, however i've heard a counter argument where he does see the good in him and thats why he hesitated and held back killing him but kylo already saw.
With the lightsaber, green would have been better but The blue one works. Its more iconic of a saber with it being Anakins and Lukes in empire
Kylo wanted Anakin's lightsaber, he had been fighting for it with Rey so it makes sense to rub salt into the wound and as a further taunt.
Also, Luke was a whiny little bitch in the OT, only points where he demonstrates any hope were at each one of the Death Star's battles lol.
@@Ismavolt so you didn’t watch Return of the Jedi or understand character development? I’m confused by your point...
@@zellersc95 Character development? Luke almost gave in to the Dark Side in RotJ. The fact that he caught himself moments before fully crossing over does not make him immune to its pull.
@@Ismavolt but he resisted and that’s the point. And that’s why Vader killed Palpatine because he witnessed his son do what he couldn’t. What he thought was impossible. Luke is the New Hope since the beginning. Hope that you can return from the dark. All of that was killed in the Last Jedi though when he didn’t consider hope or to try and change his nephew’s mind like he did with Vader. But I guess we’ll just to have agree to disagree.
Jen: "I hope Luke does something"
Rian Johnson: I think this Skywalker saga has too many Skywalkers...
whenever someone asks how im doing
i say "holdin hard, man"
that's my time, everyone.
Egads. haha
*Me, my entire life minding my own business*
Everyone: Hey, whatcha holdin', Holden?! HAHAHAHA
@@HoldenHardman Also, any thoughts on Hamil's latest statements, about Rian Johnson - and if they are somewhat blown out of proportion, or not?
I would love to see a shirt with all of the characters and their alternate names that your group has given them. Names like Bye-gone Jim, it's a fish, ginger snap, tin man, etc. I would buy that shirt
❤️❤️❤️
I would buy that merch so quickly😂
I would buy it too
I thought Matt had by gone gym shirts
Amazing idea!! Best merch ever😜
A) Luke's speech on the Force to Rey is by far my most favorite force lesson scene in all of Star warsdom. B) The more I think about old man Luke the more I like it. Yes I wanted to see some Dark Empire Luke action. The more I think about it though the more I like the parallels between hermit Luke, and his 'father figures' of Owen, Obi Wan, and Yoda. Plus his point of hwo the Jedi have to end resonates so well with the fall of the Jedi as presented in the prequels. C) What is most interesting to me is that secretly the entire Star Wars nonology is actually the rise and fall and redemption of Yoda.
Yeah, 'parallels'.
In other words, copy/pasting what's already been done.
Shots for every “It’s a fish” Jen drops. Last liver standing wins🍻
I remember seeing the cast go on some promotional shit and interviews for this film. He looked mad depressed and out of touch cause of what happened to his character. Kinda like how Kit Harrington became a bit of an alcoholic after his show ended. I won’t tell you what show or who he played I’ll let you guys find out naturally
Also if you guys get the chance highly highly recommend Avatar: The Last Airbender. There’s a lot of parallels to one of the characters and Kyle Ren so I know Jen’s gonna love him. There’s a lot of parallels between that show and Star Wars in general since Dave Filoni directed some episodes too
Nobody
Jen: "its a fish"
🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
@@jenniferhardman So uncivilized
Kylo Ren is the only good thing that came out of the Sequels for me...appreciate Adam Drivers performance
I don’t care that people hate Rey and the other characters, I think they all had a lot of potential and all the actors put in very charismatic performances. Just unfortunate that the potential was mostly squandered by terrible planning and conflicting visions
Just gonna forget about Babu Frik?
@@huddolife4830 Babu Frik? he's one of my oldest friends
I think daisey ridley's performance was great aswell. The writing for her character was just kind of bland. But she did her best with what she had.
Imagine if Rey was the eventual main baddie, finn was the actual last jedi, till kylo redeems himself a bit earlier in the trilogy and the rise of skywalker was actually about Finn and ben and Ben fulfills the prophecy by ridding the galaxy of palpatines influence completely and dies, leaving the legacy of the skywalker family and history for Finn, the final Jedi to keep alive smh
I thought Rey's parents where going to be Leia and Han too.
Jen was on point w her comments and they are level headed. So sad the fandom made lucas feel like that which i didn’t know. Thanks for making this a long one bc we required it 🤙🏻👌🏻
I think Ryan and Kathleen made Lucas feel like that. You know by wiping Luke’s character arcs face with shit and then stomping it in the dirt. I know mark Hamill felt that way
Jen: "I woke up this morning..."
Me: "got some gabagool"
Me waking up in the afternoon: "Hey, where's the freakin gabagool?"
"I even got some gabagool from uh...Scooby Doo"
@@garrito1016 Woke up this morning....got myself a sub.
Loving the membership perks 👌👌👌
Oh those are some nice emoji's right there.
😆😂🤣 that’s hilarious!
Where is a fish?!
I love this
After listening to only the first ten minutes of the discussion, Jenn is officially the most credible to talk abt star wars movies.
I personally didn’t care for this movie but I like the different perspective that you bring to the opinion of this movie. The fresh take from Jen is something that the Star Wars base needs to hear bc at the end of the day it’s only opinions. I love your videos and what you’re doing.
What I feel like went wrong is that JJ Abrams had a vision for the sequals, and Rian Johnson didn’t see it.
I agree Rian's and JJ'S vision clashed.
The fact that no one took the time to sit down and plan out the trilogy is just bizarre. Abrams did a good job setting up character and possible plot lines that Johnson just didn’t follow up on, taking the whole thing in a different direction. TROS desperately tried to get things back on track. This trilogy is a disjointed mess with no direction.
JJ had no vision. He's an expert at setting up plot points he doesn't know how to follow up.
The only memory I have of this movie is walking out of the theater and feeling nothing, I didn't know if I liked it or didn't which was a weird feeling for me.
I call this feeling "the void". Was the first time I felt some thing like that.
I remember walking out of the theater really excited, like it was one of the best experiences of my life.
@@master106 I would love to feel that way. Sad times.
This was exactly what happend to me... JUst felt empty somehow. LIke it was not real... It was such a strange feeling.
Same. My hype was running on fumes but enough to make me go ".... did I enjoy that? no seriously DID I?!" I bought tickets to see it again and then each thing that I wasn't sure about I went "yeah that joke was weird, makes no sense to use those bombers, that's dumb, that character wouldn't do that, why are they going there?, why is no one pitching ideas?, why is she being so cold to Poe?" etc etc. The movie requires you to not actively think about literally anything that's happening beyond what is actually happening as it unfolds. TROS is actually similar in this way but kick up the tempo 3x.
Excellent after discussion on this one guys, it’s so refreshing to listen to two people have a rational and reasoned discussion about this movie and really take the time to step back and try to look at every angle and talk through it like actual human beings.
Really glad I found this channel because I’ve had a blast running through all the content here, and while it’s fun to see the reaction portion of the videos, the real treat is the discussion afterwards because it reminds me so much of me and all my film nerd friends.
Now comes Rise which...whew. Will be interesting.
Am I the only one HOLLERING at Matt Lane’s appearance at 08:14 when Jen questions Leia’s “death” hahahaha
Jenn's face when Luke throws the lightsaber should be a meme....make it happen internets
you guys should watch the Indiana jones movies
hell yes
Yah
Yessss
8:13 LMAO brilliant! XD
"Hi, I'm Matt. From Matt Lane Fitness"
As a Star Wars fan, I really disagreed a lot with this movie and how it impacts the Star Wars Universe and the characters. On the other hand, if this film wasn’t a Star Wars film and had the same plot line, I believe it would be one of the greatest movies of these past few years. Idk this is what I believe.
Ep8 is for me one of the best movies. And at the sme time, one of the worst star wars movie.
I 100% agree with you.
Same, I always say: TLJ is a great movie, but just not a great Star Wars Movie
I agree, Episode VIII is a great movie... its just not a Great STAR WARS Movie
Last time Jen thought someone had a brother-sister relationship... well, we know what happened.
Also edit: I loved the fact that Leia showed her Force powers, I just hated the way it was done. She was in space. No head gear. Nothing to protect her. There is absolutely no way she could have survived that. And her flying like Superman with bad VFX didn’t help.
And how about them just opening the door of their ship, exposing themselves to the void of space, to let her back on?
@@belakthrillby I think there was an air lock or at least a double door where they let her in.
@Liam supposedly the harsh conditions of space are so extreme Leis would’ve been subjected to harsh cold temperature and the strong exposure of sunlight would also started to cook her(maybe) but if the temperature didn’t get her the pressure would’ve caused her blood to immediately boil and her brain to hemorrhage
@@tobiasschaffler1498 I don't believe there was an air lock
Actually it's very possible and TLJ is one of the most realistic takes on this. GotG 1 did it too.
I am unbelievably excited for y’all to watch The Clone Wars
Holden: "Then after the next one, 9, we are done with all the movies"
Me, who knows about the 2 Ewok TV movies (Caravan of Courage and The Battle for Endor): *There is another*
And Rogue Squadron, the Acolyte, Ahsoka...
Battle for Endor is great!
And the Holiday Special, and the Lego Holiday Special.
When my parents thought I was too young for star wars they put those on and said "its star wars" and basically that's what I thought star wars was until I was in 2nd grade. Lol
@@leonielson7138 The holiday special is absolutely the worst, the lego holiday special actually was pretty good!
"It wasn't bad, it's just not what I was expecting."
Amazed how Jenn managed to sum up TLJ better than 90% of Star Wars fans in one line.
That is an extremely generous take. So generous that not even Rise of Skywalker agrees.
People on both sides lose their minds over this movie for whatever reason. I can understand people who love it wanting to talk about it, but I don't really get the intense hate from people even 3 years later...
@Coin the hate is because it’s essentially broken the rest of the trilogy. Just look at TROS
@@influentialvideos4527 eh. I think TROS is fine too, and the issues it does have aren't necessarily because of TLJ...
@@influentialvideos4527 Because TROS was written by the "fans" who wouldn't stop whining over TLJ at every turn. JJ decided to pander to them at every turn instead of making an actual followup to the film.
Bro you totally cut off her "Long time ago..." My OCD mind will never forgive you!!!!!
I don't think having Admiral Ackbar replace Holdo's character would fix it. I know he's a fan favourite, but imagine trying to take him seriously in all those scenes if he was there, the actress of Holdo can actually emote while a human size fish puppet can't. Also having a character called 'Admiral Ackbar' kamikaze another ship would be pretty risky
Listen, if I can weep alongside a sentient raccoon it can work
Yoda was a green frog puppet yet I'm pretty sure you don't want Yoda to be human. It honestly sucks how they sidelined the aliens in the Disney trilogy. Way too many humans. Disney wants diversity but what they present us here is the exact opposite.
Plus I think Rian Jonson said that Holdo was meant for audiences to be suspicious of her. People would be pissed if they had a fan-favorite like Ackbar appear at first to turn traitor
@@z3iro383 Exactly. They needed to have someone like her so that there was some distrust.
@@z3iro383 yeah, it would've been nice for Ackbar to get a bigger role, but Holdo's wouldn't have worked for him
You guys will definitely love the clone wars it is a masterpiece animation series that’s shows the best aspects of Star Wars you get to see ahsoka, anakin and obi wan’s friendship, how darth maul returns, the darksaber, and this show ties in really well to revenge of the sith and the mandalorian highly recommend this
Love the channel, I'm very pleased to how well you interpreted mandalorian series and star wars as a whole. Your g.f. is so funny "it's a fish" my g.f. loved watching you guys as well. Keep up the great work my man.
My favorite part of this video was when Holden goes, "Ugh, we have a lot to talk about." Lol
She should do a tier list / ranking of the movies when she finishes all the movies
People are entitled to their own opinions, but to me, this movie is completely irredeemable because it's foundation is flawed from the beginning.
It doesn't matter how many excuses or mental gymnastics someone wants to do to try and justify it, but you cannot convince me that the most hopeful guy in the galaxy, the one that refused to give up on Anakin still being alive inside of Vader, would go to kill his own nephew over a bad dream and then abandon everyone that he knows and loves.
I understand the positive criticism of trying new things, I like that too. The problem wasn't them trying new things, it was them rewriting all of the rules and throwing everything else out the window in the eighth chapter of a nine chapter story and essentially saying that there was no point to anything that had come before. And to be fair, that's a mistake that the entire sequel trilogy shares, but this one just dials it up to 11.
This!!!
The perfect way to describe it!
there’s no mental gymnastics, it’s all in there... Luke fell to the dark side when fighting Vader in full rage in ROTJ, this was just lightsaber ignition and immidiate remorse.
I'll always find it interesting how this movie can have garner so many opinions. I'm personally love this movie. Everyone's opinion is valid though, and I understand some of the negative criticisms. Regarding some of the things that are more contentious though, like Luke, I think it's just a matter of differing perspectives.
I spent all of The Last Jedi looking forward to when Holdo would reveal to Poe that she suspected a spy aboard, and the reveal that Rose was that spy . . .
Always love the way jen talks with loooong woooords like" i'm anxious to see where it goes from heeeeeeeeeeeere"😂great video as always!!!
Leia demoted Poe, and Holdo was running the Resistance in her stead. Poe wasn’t entitled to any information, his impulsiveness was his weakness and learning to take orders was his character development. Holdo didn’t have to tell him anything. Not sure why she gets so much hate for being a strong leader who didn’t give in to the demands of a demoted soldier who got his entire fleet killed at the beginning of the movie. Love Poe but his arc was learning from Holdo’s lesson, and it paid off for him by the end of the movie.
Jen: "Holdo's kind of annoying."
Holden: "Yeah, she screwed over Poe. He deserved--"
Jen: *"Poe deserved nothing."*
His arc was...learn to be less competent? He did absolutely right. He destroyed Starkiller and dreadnaut with minimal losses. He should be in command, not she.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Poe lost 80% of the remaining resistance fleet in one go. Leia watches it happen in real time on that monitor and you can see her getting angry.
And when they're gone, they're gone. It's also why no one would ever do the Holdo maneuver willingly. Those ships run out, people have to buy and build them and you can't just throw thousands of people into a meat grinder with no consequences for glory like Poe did.
@@MrBazBake 80%? He lost 10-12 small fighters. They destroyed dreadnaut which is powerly equvalent to entire fleet, not to mention it contains hundreds of TIE-fighters....Yes, people die at the war, imagine that. Holdo lost more ships and people during this 2-hour chase than Poe in this battle. And on Crait, when all their people are dead without any succeed and Fin has the last chance to destroy cannon, he orders to retreat? What was the point of this operation then, only to kill your people?
@@hendrikscheepers4144 But she didn't owe him any niceties. As far as she was concerned, he "needed to know" when everyone else needed to know. Join literally any military and press a commanding officer like that, I promise they won't respond the way you wish Holdo did. If anyone was incompetent, it was Poe... which was the entire point. He WAS incompetent, he WAS NOT a leader. Leia and Holdo instilled that sense of leadership on him and he learned it by the end of the movie... and then that was retconned with everything else in Rise of Skywalker.
Love this series can’t wait for episode 9 and clone wars! You should do rebels after that too there’s mandalorian stuff in there
2:15: who’s the daddy? Who’s the mommy?
The way she said it was hilarious
You almost got me.
Are you going to do WandaVision reactions after all the episodes come out? I know you got a lot on your plate, but I was just wondering.
I remember liking this movie when I first saw it, and then I saw other people's opinions on it and liked it less until I eventually didn't like it just so I could fit in with the rest of the Star Wars fans. Then I came back to it when binging the movies before watching Rise of Skywalker and I was like "Huh. That wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was." Moral of the story: Just go with your own opinion, and don't let other people make it for you.
I was the same as you, but when I ever rewatched it, it was still bad.
Well that's what separates the long time star wars fans, we know if its crap without seeing others reviews . And this was crap lmao
@@Miguel323527 I'm not sure if you're insinuating that I'm not a longtime fan or what, but in case you are, I can assure you that I am in fact a longtime Star Wars fan.
@@plipplopproductions4347 I’d like to also add, I was one of the people who really liked 7, I was looking really forward to Finn’s arc, but then..
@@LtGhost-tb3kq Yeah, Finn definitely deserved more.
I really enjoyed this reaction, I must say. And the different pros and cons you brought up were very valid. I personally did not like the movie first time I watched it for most of the reasons that you mentioned. I must admit that having watched it a second time gave me an additional perspective and I could see some more positives. The fight scenes were indeed pretty good and what Yoda mentions is actually pretty good. I think as Jen mentioned the resistance thing of Luke felt forced. Which brought me to a remark and thought. Where was the force ghost of Anakin. We see him at the end of episode 6 but here we dont see him and if we follow the logic of the movies. Why would Luke try to kill Kylo Ren or Kylo becomes dark side if the ghost of his grandfather would be around as Yoda. What u think of this?
For Jen: I personally understand what you mean, you see these movies for the first time. I believe within the fandom, there is something called star wars legends, which is not canon but deep dives actually a lot on Luke, Leia and Han after the death of the emperor. Also if you take clone wars and rebels; there is a loooot of background that for sure influences people.
Finally; I understand that they wanted to experiment with this movie but generally although it has good points, it feels like a failed experiment in the sense nwhere the mix of new and old didnt completelly work. While the mandalorian which in a lot of respects is also experimental and introduces new characters vs old characters is more successful. Why? To be honest, I don't know. Maybe because they started to make us get to know the new characters first and only after introduce older characters. Maybe also because whe they brought the older characters, they "respected" them.
Anyway, sry for the long comment. Great reaction and your analysis was actually very balanced. ;-)
Jen,
I think you would feel different if you had watched the Original Trilogy and waited nearly 40 years to see Luke, Han and Leia again on screen only to be disappointed on how they were handled. You have the benefit of not having to wait decades. It doesn't invalidate your thoughts of opinions. I'm just offering you some insight.
That's it! But idiots call us manbabies for wanting to see Luke, Han and Leia together again. People like this never felt passionate about something in their lives if they don't understand the disappointment of the fans after waiting many years for those movies.
If you want OT nostalgia there's a ton of content via books and comics you can indulge in.
"I see them as brother and sister'
Oh you just wait
@@breakout3348 spoiler for jen delete
@@breakout3348 SWEET HOME ALDERAAN
@@casparreggiani5885 umm no, anakin wasn’t related to palp in anyway, he was just his apprentice
@@KXCREATEZ it was implied that palpatine used the force to impregnate Anakin's mother.
@@casparreggiani5885 what are you talking about rey is a nobody.
Jen's shirts make my metalhead heart really happy!
great discussion you guys like the balance shown to it. Nice to see some appreciation towards the effort put into the flick. And love the Mastadon shirt btw
Hearing how much Jen loves Kylo makes me think she’d love avatar lol
I'm enjoying the fact you guys are watching this through fresh eyes. Im an all around star wars fan( love all 3 trilogies) and its a welcome reprieve from argumentative fans
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This is the reason I LOVE this film. When you reach a certain age you think you know who you are and a competent human being, but then something happens to you or you make a terrible mistake and you realize you have been done everything wrong and you just feel like you want to give up. You hide because you cannot stand that you are not that image you portrayed to family and friends, and you don't want to disappoint them. You make up justifications in your mind and hide away.
This movie reminded me of that and of how many many times a person that you knew and admired for being always happy and positive and talented can break down underthe preassure of failure and expectations from others.
100% agree. People don't have the life experience to realize that at the end of the day it's just about one word. Regret.
When you are so certain that it wouldn't happen, would never happen to you and then it just did and you would have done something to avoid it if you were not so certain.
Hi, Vet with PTSD here, who has seen some pretty dark shit. Luke made absolutely no mistakes. He literally stopped Vader and the Emperor through peace, and only came close to violating that ethos when his father directly threatened to hunt down and violate his sister. He still regained himself, despite being around massive Dark Side users, and still fought for the redemption of his father.
The Sequel Trilogy was never deep, it was a cash grab. They made Luke dark to fit with how curmudgeonly Yoda was, they killed Han to be Obi-Wan, and turned Ben to the Dark Side to be Vader, with Snoke as a Palpatine placeholder, until Rian screwed things up so bad they actually HAD to get Palpatine for real. Rey is an orphan from a desert world who is strong in the Force, just like Luke, and with a temperament close to Leia's. Every single character and plot in the trilogy is a sad recycle of the originals to help liberate the money from your wallet. It's all meaningless, and makes the universe more shallow, and less engaging for anything set after it. The only character who WAS really original was Finn, and they buried him in the background as one of the ultimate racist tropes: Black comedy relief, whose sole purpose is to see the white people get the glory.
@@dragonstryk7280 Woah you showed him the truth
Yes, Luke showed us that everyone can make mistakes and even if he is the biggest hero in the galaxy he still is a human being, but he came to Crait and showed us all that he still is the hero we all know. Episode 8 Luke is an inspiration for me and taught me a lot about life.
@@Joca-cu3zp Um, no. He didn't
That's wishful thinking unsupported by the story, at best. It was so he could be curmudgeonly Yoda. Stop giving them credit for what they clearly didn't give a shit about.
Congrats on 115 K subs . Really enjoyed this one . Jenna mentioned James Bond...i would love a reaction to that aswell.
i cant believe you made me watch this movie for a second time, Holden. I did it only for Jen
this movie lost me the moment Luke threw away his father's lightsaber. not Vader's, but Anakin's. that had been lost in Bespin. like what the F was that even.Had i not paid 20 euros for 2 tickets, i would have gotten up and left
also literally the only scene i like was Leia using the force. mostly because it was an "in your face" to those who say leia doesnt have force powers.
I hated that Luke threw away his lightsaber just for a laugh! Rian Johnsons humor smells as bad as sh*t!
@@darkninja2772 That was supposed to be humor? I personally don’t think it was supposed to be humor.
Kylo Ren carried the sequels on his shoulder
Finn should’ve been more important
@@yusufgazi7 why?
@@wink1eafc774 a stormtrooper changing sides and is just turned a simp that screams REY every 5 mins.
@@fredrickgarrettsr2632 But that doesn't explain why he had to be more important, poor writing and handling of the character I agree.
@@wink1eafc774 he could have an epic character as they could have been but again the writing was bad , i should love rey but i dont. And that directly the scripts fault. And if he wasnt going important kill him in the first movie.
The Last Jedi is my favourite Star Wars film. It really amazes me that people are so hung up on the Rey's Parents question. Until RoS, everything we knew or found out about them was from guesses, assumptions and "force knowledge". The death of Snoke shows extremely well how this information is not to be trusted.
My only issue with it was the handling. I personally never had this notion that only important people/families get to be strong with the force but TFA did set it up for us to speculate on it which is fine I guess and it's also perfectly fine she came from no one but why on earth would Rey, the character in the fictional world, think her parents were important to the bigger picture? And why would she say "They're no one"? They're HER PARENTS, to her they ARE someone. It's only to the audience that they're "no one". RJ wrote much of this in response to fan theories (look at his "your snoke theory sucks" post) and wanted to do what would "subvert" most people which can be fine IF you do it in an intelligent way and having a character speak as if she's a fan in the audience isn't how you do it. Also how does Kylo know they're filthy junk traders that sold her or was he just riffing hoping it'd convince her to join him but then why doesn't she question his knowledge/source on it? Just such a bizarre handling of it that only got worse with the next movie.
@@intense79nick EXACTLY!! RJ was more focused on responding to fan speculation that telling a good story in universe. In TFA Rey never wondered who her parents were, she wanted to know where they were and why they didn't come back. Then in TLJ it gets changed to her all of a sudden wondering who they were despite the fact she was definitely old enough to remember them when she was left on Jakku.
Yeah same. It’s my favorite Star Wars movie!
@@intense79nick Kylo doesn't know anything about Rey's parents. What he's doing is tapping into Rey's fears about where she's come from. Abandonment can do crazy things to your brain and she's essentially trying to convince herself of why she was left behind with whatever will fit and won't lead to a breakdown. She doesn't know.
Kylo is a huge Unreliable Narrator in that we don't know if he is honestly recounting what he believes to be true from what he is picking up from Rey or whether he is being deceptive in the hope of manipulating her to his own ends. Nothing Kylo says should be taken at face value (which is demonstrated in TLJ by the way there is confusion over what happened the night he and Luke attacked each other)
There are lots of answers in this movie but you've got to be open to finding them.
I will however also say that the biggest disaster of the ST is that there wasn't a pre-planned storyline. Lucas never had one either mind you for the OT and he just lucked out. There's a great video picking around somewhere that talks about how ANH was saved in editing.
@@ScorpiousDelectus I get the subtext of the scene. It's how it's delivered that leaves me scratching my head. To say your parents are no one is odd as it implies she had expectations that they were someone of significance, then to have someone else who barely knows you confirming it should have set off a red flag. The truth is that, in my opinion, we already got what we needed in regards to Rey and her fears/emotions from Maz in TFA when she tells Rey "The belonging you seek is no longer behind you, but ahead" when Rey is deadset on going back to Jaku after having the vision. Pretty much saying let go of your parents and why you were abandoned, you are here now and it's time to make your own path.
"The Legacy of the Jedi is failure." Funny, The Jedi were guardians of peace for over a thousand generations...
And yet they failed.
@@sertaki Pardon my failure to see literally thousands of years of peace as failure.
@@zagger_ Thousands of years where corruption ran rampant, slavery was commonplace, the Sith were allowed to prosper and eventually the Galactic Empire was born.
I can understand what Luke was thinking.
@@Ismavolt as much as I hate to point it out, (and I really do) this is a strawman. But I will address it anyway since I have nothing better to do.
1. Corruption is inevitable, though not as common as you'd say. Were talking about a galactic republic with a billions of politicians. Percentage wise, they were phenomenal just to keep it together.
2. As I recall, The republic was specifically antislavery, but they were also not a tyranny (ie, the empire) so they did not overreach their jurisdiction to other planets and decide to force other systems to adopt their ideals. Even if slavery is wrong in their eyes, it is just as wrong to force the morality of others.
There's an old saying that needs to be considered, especially these days; "You cannot legislate morality."
3. I don't believe the sith were prosperous during the time of the republic, which is why they relied on subterfuge and secrecy to transform it into something that fits their needs. But I'll admit, I haven't read some of the sith based connecting stories between the old republic and the modern republic.
God, I love Star Wars...
@@zagger_ So your second point would actually apply during the War of Secession, states rights (following your logic) would have the option of defining whether slavery was allowed or not.
If this is the case then I doubt we can have a fruitful debate as I too love Star Wars but kinda hate pro-slavery people.
I honestly hope it's not the case.
Jen: I wanna see some really really good fight scenes.
Me remembering the throne room debacle: This is where the fun begins.
As someone who loves this movie, I genuinely appreciate that ya'll talk critically about the film without the vitriol and hate that has sadly come to be all to common in the Star Wars fandom. Obviously people can see a film and feel differently about it, but for whatever reason the debate about this film became so toxic that I feel uncomfortable calling myself a Star Wars fan these days. Much love to you both for trying to have a rational conversation about the film!
The unfortunate result of a director making a film that deliberately takes jabs at a section of the fanbase for speculating based on the previous film and then the studio and critics pretending as though any criticism of the film is sexist/racist by default. I think Lucasfilm could have done a better job turning down the temperature. That said there were and still are some really big abusive jerks on the anti-TLJ side.
You can be a fan and hate things produced for that which u love . Such as this movie , I've been a fan for nearly 20 years and know some that been fans for longer and mostly every true fan I know hates this movie because of how poor the characters and plot came along. You should never be scared to say your a fan of star wars but you should be for being a fan of this crap lol Its all opinions at the end but if their is so much controversy over this and the sequels its probably because whatever they are saying is true.
Imagine being a Christian your whole life. Your whole life, you read the Bible stories and internalized their lessons. Then, one day, a hipster from Arizona decides to write their own fanfiction, calls it a "Christian" story, and its main character is devoted to a cult of racist slavers, and suddenly people who've never read the Bible before suddenly start saying, "Man, this new Christian story is great! I should have converted a long time ago!"
You'd be pulling your hair out, too.
I don't hate people who love TLJ, but it's infuriating when their opinion of the franchise (and their distrust of the original fan base) is based on misinformation. I can talk respectfully with anyone who is willing to acknowledge that the books are source material for many of us, and that Disney digitally lighting them all on fire was just the first inciting incident against the long-time fans.
Same i love this movie its defo one of the better star wars films imo
@@extantsanityInteresting idea, but flawed I think. I'm 38, I read the Thrawn trilogy as it was published, kept up with the books for years, and I had no problem with Disney tossing them aside. It was necessary in order to have any room to maneuver with a sequel trilogy. My love of this film comes from its willingness to break outside of the stale mold that the franchise has often stuck to, so I was quite frankly happy to see the EU tossed out. Disney is hit and miss with Star Wars, but there's more good than bad at this point no matter how you feel about the sequel trilogy.
I'm not trying to upset you, just being honest with where I come from as a very long-time Star Wars fan. If you're upset that Disney tossed aside the EU for a different vision you like less, that's a fair point insofar as you have every right not to like what they've done. The reality is they saw far more to gain (in terms of profit) by tossing out the EU and making their own new post-Return of the Jedi cannon. I like the end result on the whole, and it sounds like you don't, but Disney continues to make money on Star Wars and doesn't care what either of us think. I didn't like Rise of Skywalker much the way you didn't care for TLJ, and there's no point getting upset about either film because something we can all agree is good, like Mandalorian or Clone Wars is right there because Disney will keep making Star Wars until long after we're both dead. Such is life!
This enough ads holden?
Holden: MOOORE!
There's markers on mine for 22 ads!!.
Fortunately I'm watching on a TV so they aren't coming up
Dropping a like even before watching it!! I cried after the premiere.
Hope your GF enjoyed it!
I’ve enjoyed all the Luke scenes especially with Yoda. And the throne room fight scene was great.
Poe, Finn, and Rey all have moments of growth.
Poe learning to be a leader
Finn learning to be a rebel
Rey learning to be a Jedi
That is what I love about this movie. The Casino Finn and Rose stuff is not the greatest, but it gets perspective on the divide of those who are slaves that can rise up and those power-hungry warmongers that will sell to the highest bidder. This is the best filmed Star Wars movie. I too wanted to know more about Snoke and Reys parents. I feel like the creators behind the three movies did not have a complete path of where the characters came from. I understand the Luke hiding being something unbelievable.
JJ Abrams had a complete story pathed out before he made The Force Awakens, and then Rian Johnson decided to throw it away and make The Last Jedi his own way.
Holden gave one of the best video analysis of this film I've seen yet on TH-cam. Completely level-headed and fair. I personally love this movie and appreciate Holden not encouraging the toxic Fandom and telling people to chill out. Like he said, you can like it or not like it, but don't be an A**hole.
He is mostly fair, and I like that as well. I think he wants people to criticize based on what works for them and what doesn’t, rather than attacking the director or actors.
That being said, categorizing someone’s opinion as “stupid” is the kind of behavior he seems to be against, yet he does that at 30:17 when he’s talking about how some people didn’t like the Mary Poppins moment. I feel like he could have stuck to his higher standard of critique and called their opinion something other than “stupid.” Maybe unwarranted? Or he just disagrees? People are completely justified in finding aesthetic issues with anything, or simply saying something rubbed them the wrong way. Calling those opinions “stupid” without offering your own explanation of why just lowers the dialogue to the place Holden seemed to want to avoid.
He has issues with the main pillars of the movie's story/characters so I'd say he's being more than fair with a 6.5. Personally it's a 4 and listening to him I was guessing it's a 5 or to be generous a 5.5.
I like how in that one scene in the end of season 5 of clone wars they talk about Jedi ideology. It was really well done I think they will enjoy that (Trying not to spoil but this made me think of that)
Congrats Holden on navigating this briar patch so perfectly!
TLJ is like politics. Everyone is conflicted and has different opinions.
I don’t mean to besmirch anyone’s opinions but I’d genuinely like to know how anyone could really like this film
@@Brad-xm2rj The character arcs of Rey, Luke and Kylo in my opinion, are masterfully done. The cinematography is beautiful. The themes and messages of the movie inspire me. There’s so many emotional scenes like Yoda, Luke seeing the message from leia, Luke’s death etc. You don’t have to like the movie, but to say that you don’t understand why people do is pretty pretentious
@RhuariTheWolf I get that but being bold and looking good can’t really qualify for being a good film if the plot and narrative just doesn’t really make sense or make for a good 8th film in a franchise
@@Brad-xm2rj the only thing I like about this movie is the environments, the planets they were on such as the red salt one ( I forgot the name). On top of that, I really liked the throne room scene with Kylo and Rey vs The Guards. Other than that, the switching of directors from J.J. To Rían Johnson really un did a lot of what J.J was trying to build. It put the trilogy back at square one basically. On top of that Luke was a huge let down, he died in a way that just didn’t pay homage to the original character well enough for me. He whined a lot and it was terrible. I absolutely hate Admiral Holdo’s character, the only reason she is there is because Disney is trying to appeal to everyone and not upset people by missing certain aspects. It’s like they’re trying to be politically correct, and I completely understand that, but at the end of the day, this is a fictional story and therefore it doesn’t have to be politically correct with our times. Also, Snoke was a let down, I wanted more of him. I wanted him to be more powerful than he was, like Emperor Palpatine.
Also, Kylo Ren is a great character, I like him a lot, he’s pretty much the only good thing to come out of the trilogy. I also, was let down when Rey became the Jedi, and not Finn. It should’ve been Finn......
As always, Jenn’s T-Shirt game is on point!! Love it!!
Holdo didn't need to be in this movie at all. Her entire role could have been replaced with Admiral Akbar.
no human being had a real connection to him, only hard core fans would be rooting for fish guy they don’t even know was in the last trilogy...
@@agustinbaletti neither was she
We would inmediately trust Admiral Ackbar. And that isn't the point. Rian Johnson wants you to distrust the admiral in command. So it can't be a familiar face. I mean we know that adorable fish would never do anything to put the Resistance in danger
Anyone have a count for how many times Holden said, “There are things I liked, and things I didn’t like, about this movie,”?
@@Mr.Ekshin not wrong