How to cover a Rudder; Airworthy in 80min with Oratex, needs no Paint !
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- Watch Oratex in Action here; see how its done; clean and quick and no solvent use other than wiping off the fingerprints prior to the glue application! We are offering training classes on the use of the Oratex the BetterAircraftFabric this year in Oshkosh at EAA Airventure 2016.
If you are interested, you must by all means RSVP as we are booking fast and each class is limited to only 10 builders to provide a meaningful training environment. The classes and materials as such are free...so if interested please contact us via the BetterAircraftFabric.com website and email. This video was produced by our German factory /supplier.
Best Regards from Alaska!
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Fabuleuse cette technique !
Good work!
Great work. This stuff is interesting material. I'm really looking forward to learning to work with it.
Turning in my rivet gun and bucking bars for scissors, heat gun and iron.
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Perfection
As always, like every year, we are in Oshkosh at EAA Airventure (2021) with our booth #300 near the Control Tower. Right beside Hangar A. Right on the main road that passes in front of the tower.
Need 40 square meters, how much price with shipping
@@stolaircraftsuyanto9728 I only see your comment now, you have to inquire via our website, email or call us.
Regarding EAA Oshkosh 2017 Airventure, we have a New location and will no longer be at the two old booth locations of previous years (2012-2016).
We will be at booth number 300, a new outdoor display including an finished Oratex6000-covered Cub and a Belite that we are covering during the show. The New Outdoor Location of our booth its on the runway side of Hangar A, very close to where our old booth was within Hangar A !
Also be aware that we now have a public Facebook group called BetterAircraftFabric as well. We are posting much more photos of customer aircraft there then we could ever show on the website. Its also quite interactive as customers are posting there as well.
We also have a New Catalog.
Best Regards,
Lars
As always, like every year, we will be in Oshkosh at EAA Airventure (2019) with our booth #300 near the Control Tower. Right beside Hangar A. Right on the main road that passes in front of the tower. We will be covering an airplane there again and so we can teach what to do and what not to do at all; non-stop during the whole week. We will also display several Oratex airplanes at the booth, aside of those that show up in Oshkosh anyway...(like the ones competing at the STOL competition !)
Oratex the BetterAircraftFabric will be at Sun&Fun in Florida this year (2018) again!!! Paul will be at the SportAir USA Booth.
It looks like at our Booth #300 in Oshkosh at EAA Airventure we will be covering a Biplane during the week of the show.
In Oshkosh we will be present with at least 6 people, so that everybody can get his questions answered with no big delays.
The video "Alaska's Shock Cub and the mountains" that is shown on our channel shows an Oratex plane with no rib-stitching and no finishing tapes.
Regarding the Tools; One is a Toko T14 Flat Hot Iron with digital temperature control, we sell those all the time. You cannot use the Oratex without it. Also critical is the wool-block "Felt Blade" he is wielding with the Steinel Heat Gun...
Big News!
Oratex is now certified in the USA for Pipers, Stinsons, Aeronca Chief's, all Maules and Huskies, too.
We have also gotten Field approvals for types not yet on the AML.
We now also have a more interactive presence on Facebook as a public Group " BetterAircraftFabric " where we showcase planes and the use of the product. Customers are posting there as well...
This is some news that will help out many that want to keep their vintage planes flying without spending big money on hiring the spray painting done. And yes, after Sebring, Sun&Fun, Anchorage, Valdez, we will be in Oshkosh at EAA again as always, this time with a new all-outdoor display including airplanes and hands on demos...
Best Regards from Alaska,
Lars
Oshkosh 2023 EAA Airventure Of course we are back for Oshkosh 2023!
Same Booth number 300 as always; more than a decade of being there every year.
We are doing 5 seminars and will have customer airplanes on display.
We will also be doing some covering of airplane parts at our booth.
Come visit us at EAA Oshkosh, we have a big tent, ceiling fans and shade and chairs, too.
USA FAA STC‘ed and approved by Transport Canada In service since 2004. Legal for Pipers, Maules, Stinsons, Citabrias, T-crafts, Huskies, Fairchilds, Luscombes, Ercoupes, Pitts, Chiefs & Champs and others…
www.betteraircraftfabric.com/contact.html
EAA Oshkosh Airventure 2016;
We will be there in force, 4 booth spaces as always! We are at 1156/1157; That is in the tower-side corner of Hangar A and in the Ultralight area at 943 & 942, those are the corner-booth at the downhill end near the paved road.
Workshops;
Monday 7/25/2016, 2:30 PM
AeroPlane Workshop Stage 2; Oratex Fabric How To Apply
Tuesday 7/26/2016; 4:00 PM
Ultralight Forums Tent, Oratex Fabric Coverings
Tuesday 7/26/2016; 8:00 PM
Ultralight Forums Tent; Bush Flying In Alaska
Thursday; 7/28/2016; 2:30 PM
AeroPlane Workshop Stage 2; Oratex Fabric How To Apply
Best Regards,
Lars
Very interesting....but this video could be more informative if you would delete the music and substitute verbal description of the process as it is being done.
yes I should get a version of that made... 24 hours to the day, been busy as hell.
Oshkosh 2022 EAA Airventure Of course we are back for Oshkosh 2022! Same Booth 300 as always. We are doing seminars and have a customer airplane on display. We will also be doing some covering of airplane parts at our booth.
USA FAA STC‘ed and
approved by Transport Canada
In service since 2004.
Legal for Pipers, Maules, Stinsons,
Citabrias, T-crafts, Huskies, Fairchilds,
Luscombes, Ercoupes, Pitts,
Chiefs & Champs and others…
www.betteraircraftfabric.com/colors.html
I'd be interested to cover my Piper PA14 with Oratex. How can I get a quote for the materials/tools? Thanks!
Hi Ben Pontier; if you were to bring it to us and we cover it comepletely in our shop everything combined would be 20K Dollars. If we send an installer to you, he would charge 8700,- for the service and you have to pay airline tickets and room and board. Experience has shown he can do it in two weeks and use as little as 38meters of 72 inch wide Oratex. The typical do-it-yourself customer needs 45 meters, experience has shown. Material cost can be 9500,- ,if you would buy everything we have to offer, but if so desired it can be done for about 7500,- as well. All colors are the same price. Best Regards, Lars
Do you put glue on the fabric where the finish tape is going on? I know the finish tape has glue on it .
You are putting glue down before a tape is applied for other reasons, not for adhering the tape itself: Only put a narrow line of glue onto the top-layer of the seam, thick but narrow, like half inch or 1/3 inch, not less than 1/4 inch for sure. Before taping, both rib-stitching thread and the re-enforce tape have to be well covered in glue. But the Oratex tapes have their own glue, they do not need normal glue to stick. So do not put glue down as wide as the tapes;that is not needed and can lead to really bad messy problems if glue shows up beyond the edge of the finishing tapes! It’s about the worst mistake you can make; to "uglify" your Airplane/Oratex surface with Oratex glue that has been painted onto the surface and did not get covered up by the finishing tapes! Once the glue has been triggered with heat, there is no practical way to remove it from the surface. Do not put any glue on the surface where it might end up beyond the edge of our tapes, the tapes have their own glue on the underside! The only reason for the narrow line of thick glue along the edge of the top layer of the seam is to hide the seam line and make that"Step" of the edge disappear under a "Ramp" of molten glue that will form smoothly when you iron the tapes on at 120˚ Celsius. This is especially true on wooden airframe structures. On Metal airframes extra glue underneath the tapes may be needed to overcome the heat-sink of the metal surface underneath. On the other hand the need for the narrow line of glue under the tape exists to prevent air entrapment under the tape, such as with rib-stitches and rivets. Air caught under the tape will promote the tapes to come off (Also it will look like hell later)! On Super Cub like steel tube fuselages and similar great heat-sinks it may be necessary to apply the normal glue as wide as the contact surface with the Metal underneath the Oratex-layer in order to make the tapes adhere easier. In those cases glue applied at least as wide as the contact area with the metal structure is great, but it must be narrow'er than the tapes that are put on top of it after the glue has dried. If the correct heat gun is used with an extension cord short enough (no Brownout!) the use of glue as a barrier against the heat sink of lower longerons should NOT be necessary. That issue pretty much only came up were customers failed to use the tools we recommend and sell.
Please email me for instructions, Regards, Lars
How much will it cost me to recover 7ac fuselage?
I work for Stolairus Aviation in Kelowna, British Columbia. (Structures AME)
I am surrounded by light fabric covered aircraft From my understanding, nobody local in BC is doing fabric anymore. I heard there is one older fellow in Langley possibly still doing "some fabric."
Are you guys putting on any seminars in 2022?
Yes, will be doing that here in AK for sure: Late April or Early May most likely. Will keep you posted. Will also be in Oshkosh at EAA as always, this year 2022: at EAA Airventure (2021) with our booth #300 near the Control Tower. Right beside Hangar A. Right on the main road that passes in front of the tower. Regards from Alaska!
I wouldn't feel right doing covering if I wasn't getting brain damage on MEK fumes! I got the polyfiber thing down but it's a royal pain, maybe I'll try this stuff next time.
I wonder if you could get away with using that heavy duty boat shrink wrap material?
heavy duty boat shrink wrap material? - if that would work somebody would have done it or at least tried... -No Way Sir. - Have a look at our other videos, please: th-cam.com/users/BetterAircraftFabricvideos
i used oratex on model aircraft 40 eu for 2400 x 600 mm its not cheap easy to work
The Oratex for model airplanes is very different from the Oratex6000 for General Aviation Aircraft ! - The products are not the same at all.
@@BetterAircraftFabric i know its heaver i still would prefer the old polyester fabric the dope really glued the seams shut oratex is just contact like evo
I am interested in a Black Oratex Covering do you think that you will have it in black sometime soon.
We have Black Color Oratex6000 and UL600 for several years now, I have a series of videos on this channel where we are covering Super Cub Elevators and Rudder with it ...
Feel Free to email or call. Best Regards from Alaska!
@@BetterAircraftFabric Thankyou very much.
You really should go back and dub over the process with descriptions, heat settings, explanations, etc... this would then actually be useful to customers and inquirers.
you got our Manual with the tools that has the the process with descriptions, heat settings, explanations, etc. We also have many other videos that go into great detail on various things, like how to do the tapes on an actual Super Cub Rudder. We have 5 videos on the real Super Cub Rudder covering and taping.
Any chance this is going to get approved in the US ? I have a piper Colt that needs recovering. Also, how would I do a second color on top of the primary covering to get the classic red over white Piper color scheme?
Hi W Boring, Sorry my response is 2 month late! - We do have FAA STCs to cover all Maule Aircraft and all Aviat Husky and Christensen Huskies in the USA. The FAA has repetitively promised us the "ALL Pipers" STC soon and we do expect to get that in a few weeks. In harsh contrast in Canada we have STCs for 137 types of airplanes since about a year now. Please call me with any questions. Best Regards from Anchorage.
... and one can paint Oratex as well. Also Decals and Vinyls can be used. Regards.
Any updates on the Piper STC ?
Hi, The FAA on the East coast keeps promising the STC "in Two weeks" and this goes on over and over... After we got the STC for the much higher classified Husky this is getting ridiculous... but what does one expect from the federal government. They cite "so much work" and "so little resources" ... Meanwhile we have gotten a field approval to put it on Cessna C140 ... I'll keep you posted.
Hi W Boring, yes email me and I can email you the doc's
Hi there , is that pva white glue
Hi Garth Sutcliffe; no its a very trick proprietary Oratex6000 glue ! A special development for this purpose, fuel proof! -etc. Worldwide Patented.
Yeah music bites should have been a narrator .... silence is a language barrier too.
Bit like a carnival sideshow you feel like the wool is being pulled over your eyes .
Not great sales pitch .
Well, your critique for the video is justified, we will make more and better videos soon. I have made a bunch of narrated, music-less videos about how to use the product but they are lengthy and detailed in multiple installments, not everybody wants to watch those just to see how this stuff works...
Trailing edge tape, he did not apply glue to the fabric, just used the pre-glued tape.
So, when using pre-glued tape we dont need to apply glue to the fabric ??
Yes and No, it depends. Basically the Oratex Finishing-tape has the glue already under it to glue itself down for sure, but usually You tape Rib-Stitches and Pop riveting and stuff and in those cases you have to put down some glue on those first, sorta like a filler to exclude air bubbles or it will look like hell.
8:07 what product are you using?
The normal Oratex6000 glue, the harmless water-based stuff that holds over 100 pounds per square inch in a shear-load test.
How does cost compare to ceconite or ploy fibre processes?
As this is a high-tech product with all coatings already applied at the factory, instead of being a plain polyester woven cloth and a bucket of paint, the Price of the certified Oratex6000 is higher! - but labor cost to install is lower.
... and if you read further comments below there are pricing answers, too.
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@@yudirc0132 English? Please
Explanations, descriptions, techniques, etc... overlapped audio would have been much much more useful than the endless soundtrack.
True, yes. - We have other videos that have that.
It almost is a good alternative to other fabric applications. I am speaking from the experimental world. Oratex and traditional fabric both have pros and cons. The pros for Oratex-lighter weight, less labor to install. Fumes is no longer a pro since Stuart systems is water based. Cons-colors are bland and custom paint erases the weight savings. Cost of materials, make a major mistake with this stuff and watch the cost quickly escalate. The pros for traditional - cost of materials, you don;t need to worry about making a mistake. Much more options for colors and paint schemes. The Stuart systems eliminate the chemicals. Oratex could have been a game changer and opened up the market for more fabric experimentals by providing an alternative to traditional fabric at a lower cost. However, home builders value their time as free so the labor savings with Oratex doesn’t really resonate with homebuilders. If homebuilders truly valued their labor time, they wouldn’t be home building. Instead they would by completed aircraft. The Bushcat with the tri lam fabric is truly the most revolutionary fabric with ease if install. However, you can only get it for one plane. I am sticking with Aluminum.
Looks like vinyl car wrap.
Hi, it sure as hell ain't like vinyl car wrap. Oratex6000 is a woven cloth, with 7 coating applied at the factory. It is UV-proof. Vinyl ain't. It is extremely tough. Car wrap ain't. You could not build a Super Cub by covering it in Vinyl Car Wrap. Oratex Super Cubs are lighter than all others and yet their fabric surfaces are tougher than the traditional systems; those old ones are "Polyester bedsheet and spray-painting". Oratex is an absolutely unique system.
Well... I didn't mean that it was vinyl wrap. I just said it LOOKS like it. I'm sure it's a wonderful product.
Hi Stanley, Thank you for that comment, appreciated. If you want to see a sample of Oratex we can send you some and we can also get you in contact with local customers so you can see it in action firsthand. Best Regards, Lars
I have an idea for an experimental ultralight aircraft. I need a covering that is very light weight. How does your product comcare to comparable products ?
It is, by far, the lightest viable solution out there. For sure. Check the video about that on this channel. We have a detailed real-life weight comparison video ...
On the whole, I like it. I just wish it was priced more realistically. $134 per meter is a bit much. Yes, I know.... no painting, less labor etc. I still feel the price was set to just about compete with conventional covering. It doesn't seem to be based on the cost of manufacturing. But what do I know?
I do this stuff for a living.
as a totally finished "airworthy off the delivery roll" system Oratex can never be comparable price-wise on the material-only side with the old "polyester bedsheet and bucket of paint delivery" of our competition. They do not have to have any of the big coating machines or any of our factory installations. - You have to see the big picture of the total benefits such as saving your (and often your family's) health from the toxic exposure and the time and weight savings. Of course its based on the cost of manufacturing!!! Can you imagine the big government rules we have to put up with in Germany?? This is not made in China!
Make sure you don't set it in the sun for long periods
why would That be? I have it on the plane as test patches since 2010 and they still look just the same!
as mention no description of the process. no rib stiching and no taping shown over stitching. vid fail.
Can you invent any more negative comments? Rib stitching and Taping is not totally mandatory with this process, we have lots of customer airplanes flying with no rib stitching and no tapes.
Read the title of the video. Everyone knows rudders don't get rib stitched. Except for Todd Sutton apparently. This video is excellent. The material is excellent. And everyone with half BRAIN and the wherewithal are using it
If you consider a rudder without rib stitching "airworthy"...
We do even have multiple STC for several standard category type airplanes, even in the USA etc. - But if you want to you can sure keep rib stitching. - This Demo-object "Rudder" has no hinges and has no control horn, you ought to point that out.... ( I kinda have to say: Ahh, I see the "default negative commenter" is back !!! - Is somebody paying you for this? ; - )
Best Regards, I hope all is well on your end.