Wario is already a super high skill ceiling character anyway on top of that. If the character was easy, they'd be far more common since anyone could pick them up. He isn't, so they don't, so all they do is cry.
Nerf his waft to not be as easy to land and buff his other moves. Idk if he is good or bad, if he is one stock down and the game is essentially even then i will never like him
@@akio0191 Fun is subjective and preferential and varies from person to person. I have LOADS of fun watching Wario destroy most of the most of the cast, especially Mario. Not really my fault this game rewards camping so much that this kind of thing is a problem. This among among many reasons is why I prefer PM where Wario and Sonic merit no complaints from whiners.
The thing is, Wario can only utilt waft now on grounded opponents. He's doing it now to catch ground stuff, but before you could catch people in the air. You also can't do utilt utilt waft to extend the window now either.
It's kind of unfortunate for charlie at the end of game 2 how he low profiled the beginning of u-tilt which made him get hit by the late hit and made the combo true.
7:19 I just wanna further underline that read by Glutonny. It didn't work out, but the game plan was beautiful. It's nice when you get to appreciate plays even when they don't pan out. High level Smash is awesome.
Wario is still really good, before the nerfs he was a contender for best in the game and now he is at the bottom of top tier imo. But still he is a top tier character.
how did glu jump a second time after his first double jump at 23:54? it doesn't look likea footstool because the there are visible "windrings" after his second double jump.
People just completely miss the point with Wario when they judge him by the same standards as a normal Smash character. You have to judge him by waft standards, because everything in his kit works towards waft. Annoying lingering hitboxes coupled with amazing aerial mobility making it harder for his opponent to get any meaningful hits; they have to take time picking their spots. More neutral, more waft. Great aerial mobility making it easier for him to opt out of high pressure situations where your opponent would be looking for you to swing so they can whiff punish. More neutral, more waft. Decent disadvantage as opposed to just bad, meaning it takes more interactions to take a stock. More neutral. More. Waft. He's rarely ever at a disadvantage, which is what makes him so broken imo. A good amount more than characters like Wolf, Palutena, Peach, etc.
I disagree with being better than Peach and Palu. Palu just has some of the most obnoxious neutral options in the game and Peach is just super good at stalling out and dictating the pace of the game
Nice to hear yalls different opinions. Wolf's kit is solid and as a character he basically has no flaws asides from arguably his recovery. I just think Wario's better. The sheer nature of how he works just makes playing against him naturally more frustrating. Wolf doesn't really have a gimmick that'll destroy you like that. Palutena is similar in the sense that she just has a lot of really strong options that are hard to contest, but she has problems with mediocre disadvantage state and there are some issues that she can't capitalise on as well due to less mobility compared to characters like Joker, ZSS, etc. Peach has a ridiculous advantage state but when it comes to picking her spots consistently and just having a lot of hard matchups, she tends to play in disadvantage more than Wario. There's almost never a point in the match where Wario should be playing in disadvantage and I just don't think Peach's kit has a comparable effect in matches.
When I was talking about gimmicks, I was talking about waft. Situational stock trade abilities don't even begin to compare. His neutral being better is irrelevant. They play the game in completely different ways at a fundamental level. The effect Wario's kit creates in game is still greater than Wolf's because he plays in disadvantage less and just has a stronger mechanic. Wolf's neutral is superb, but it's not anything unfair like Pikachu, Joker, P/M etc. He can still be contested and out manuevered. It doesn't matter if his recovery is "not even bad". You cannot deny the difference between his disadvantage and Wario's. Wario is practically unedgeguardable, Wolf can still be gimped even if it chalks down to 50/50s a lot of the time. It just goes back into what I said about Wario playing in disadvantage less.
It makes me incredibly happy how scrubs whined and cried so hard for nerfs on Wario, got what they were begging for and then they continue to lose hard to the same setups anyway.
Lmao what, the major wario complainers are top players who hate that he gets a free win button for camping. Where do you think scrubs get that opinion from? Scrubs don't get hit by waft confirms because the warios they play suck
Was playing a wario the otherday and died at 60 from uair late hit waft (the one that sends you upward) as a true confirm and i was just like.. "Bruh... nerfed btw"
Oh yeah, cause up tilt waft or 3 nairs then waft to die at zero is fun to watch. Fuck this character man and especially then ones say he is balanced rn
@@loadingname5499 so many characters have 0-death combos that you barely have to work for. At least wario has to wait to use his, and he only gets 1, maybe 2 a set. Not to mention they're difficult. Gluto is the only one consistently getting combos like this. Even when tweek was using wario consistently, pre nerf, he wasn't as good or consistent as gluto is.
@@robertjames8183 Many characters have zero to deaths, but none are consistent in reality outside of maybe Luigi. The thing is, Wario's Waft isn't just a zero-to-death, it's also a between 20 and 50% to death that he can set up into fairly easily. You have to respect him constantly whenever he has it, and if he holds it at all, he can have it indefinitely.
@@willycheez7218 I mean, yes. And then people changed their opinion to put that character in high tier. Plus, Big D is a top 50 player playing what a lot of people consider to be a bottom 10 character. It's doable. Just not super doable.
Very few characters are solo viable, tbh even the ones that are you still might as well have a secondary for their very few loosing matchups and maybe for even any that your main goes even with but the secondary wins
@@himmyneutron3560 but why bother? Why fight an uphill battle that you are more likely to loose. Just have a secondary 😂 if anyone is serious about winning tournaments they should have a secondary
@@himmyneutron3560 Yeah you're right for sure. When you break it down there's no character with no significant losing matchups. So in terms of the concept of solo viable, if any character is, Wario almost certainly is.
Maybe it's me but I love almost every brawl newcomer, plus I think Wario is so cool anyways. I wish I could play those really strong players but right now I'm not good enough, but that will change when I get a new controller. *MK B META* and have a great day
The only "honor" is playing the game with the set rules in place and following them. He didn't cheat in any capacity. All he's doing is using tools available to his character that are perfectly legal. If you want someone to follow some ideal sense of "honor", blame it on the game designers for making Wario the way he is where half his moveset is garbage but he happens to have one really strong setup you have to camp for in a game that rewards camping. Project M Wario is better.
The nerfs to wario weren’t that influential on his gameplay, he still has his amazing neutral air, up air, forward air, back air and tilts and no to mention his woof.
Only ones bringing the nerf to an exaggerstion whiners were the bent outta shape players that sucked against the Wario matchup. Wario mains labbing other stuff to throw out. That neutral A is still crazy setup for combos.
They do nerf dlc, also a lot of the fox aren’t even broken. Tbh no one in smash is broken they aren’t like brawl meta or smash 4 bayo some are just a bit stronger it’s a very balanced game and it’s not like any of them are played by the majority of players because with being broken like bayo and mk were. But yeah like if we use very strong not broken most dlc aren’t even very strong or at least not any more than wario some are worse than wario and joker got nerf (not big I know) pyra mythra got nerf min min got nerf etc.
@@SsaiyanDorge They don't willingly nerf DLC, besides Min Min. They physically had to nerf Joker because he was so ridiculously overpowered (still is they did a horrible job), but if people weren't talking about it so much he definitely wouldn't have been nerfed because he's a 3rd party character. Pythra wasn't nerfed, their patch was more of a "fix", making their airdodge normal and making Lightning Buster factor in character weight, which it used to ignore for whatever reason. This patch ended up buffing them if anything because the only good thing about old LB is that it killed superheavies slightly earlier, but it also meant light characters were living longer, so it was worse because the majority of the cast is lighter than the old weight ignoring knockback
@@willycheez7218 okay so the first joker nerf was good actually, the down gun hitbox. The other more recent were more minor. It was still a nerf for Pythra and considering they only just came out that’s good. Like you said minmin got nerfed decently and the reason the other dlc haven’t is because they don’t need it not because they refuse to nerf dlc unless they have to.
@@showmeyourmoves8551 My guy, he's been considered top 5 by everyone for the longest time until recently. The character literally camps and gets one to two free stocks a game. It doesn't matter whether he doesn't have disjoints, since he has Fox level frame data on some of his moves. One whiff and you die. A sword character can't really do that. It's kinda the same story with Peach, just that she less consistent. These characters are broken and lame, and that's fine. I literally main them. I'll agree that swordies can be lame, but the BS that characters like Joker, ZSS, Rob, Wario, and Peach, can pull off is absurd, and I play all of them. It makes them cool, but it also makes them lame as shit sometimes.
You'd rather root for Sonic whom is easy as heck to camp and play as as opposed to Wario whom demands a higher skill level to be consistent with? Okay.
@@Pro-kesh Nah. It's not hard to dash in, get your opponent to throw something out then spin or run up to them to punish especially since Sonic has way better normals than Wario.
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29:09 Isn’t that almost the same combo Gluto got on Nairo back at GENESIS LOL
No there was an up air but it was a few Nairs to waft
Pretty much similar
I said it when the patch dropped and I'll say it again. The Wario "nerfs" are just a skill floor increase. All the same madness is still doable.
Wario is already a super high skill ceiling character anyway on top of that. If the character was easy, they'd be far more common since anyone could pick them up. He isn't, so they don't, so all they do is cry.
Nerf his waft to not be as easy to land and buff his other moves. Idk if he is good or bad, if he is one stock down and the game is essentially even then i will never like him
Do you mean skill ceiling or skill floor? Those are two different things.
@@DrCoeloCephalo Just because a character is high skill/balanced doesn't mean the character is fun or good for the game.
@@akio0191 Fun is subjective and preferential and varies from person to person.
I have LOADS of fun watching Wario destroy most of the most of the cast, especially Mario.
Not really my fault this game rewards camping so much that this kind of thing is a problem. This among among many reasons is why I prefer PM where Wario and Sonic merit no complaints from whiners.
The thing is, Wario can only utilt waft now on grounded opponents. He's doing it now to catch ground stuff, but before you could catch people in the air. You also can't do utilt utilt waft to extend the window now either.
Can’t u still do all that, just less easily ?
@@lordsozehcp5362 no, it doesn't connect as far as I know.
At 4:02 Charlie jumped and still got hit by uptilt to waft
24:53 i love the natural reaction of Larry
It's kind of unfortunate for charlie at the end of game 2 how he low profiled the beginning of u-tilt which made him get hit by the late hit and made the combo true.
7:19 I just wanna further underline that read by Glutonny. It didn't work out, but the game plan was beautiful. It's nice when you get to appreciate plays even when they don't pan out. High level Smash is awesome.
Imagine if we only played with 2 stocks still
His game play was a joy to watch and your commentary was on point larry
People have me overplaying this nerf since the beginning of time
I don’t know if I’ve seen a tournament get this rowdy!
Wario is still really good, before the nerfs he was a contender for best in the game and now he is at the bottom of top tier imo. But still he is a top tier character.
The guy in the yellow though
Ofc I get this when Glutonny win Tera
Praise be! Larry has returned! 👏👏👏
Ken really makes Sonic look really fun to play as.
La France on est là
Glutonny out here showing why he still believes Wario is top 3.
facts
Top 3 IMO is too much with dlc top ten definitely
@@voodooedits785 DLC plus pikachue
Recently on Twitter Gluto said his top 5 tier list is:
Pika
Joker
Peach
Wolf
Pyra Mythra
Yep I don’t see wario top 5 at all anymore
The guy in the yellow!
Larry's TH-cam channel should be flagged as propaganda
3:06 I thought I heard a child scream as my video buffered. I immediately knew what would happen in the next 3 seconds
The cheering does not seem legit 😂
Whoever was watching Larry's re-stream knew this video was coming with this exact thumbnail.
how did glu jump a second time after his first double jump at 23:54? it doesn't look likea footstool because the there are visible "windrings" after his second double jump.
Look at 4:47 it looks like Wolf lost his shoe or sth x) (can someone explain me what happened ?)
Lol that must have been a bike piece
The audience is crazy lol
Wario quickly went from top 5 character to 15 and that MFer still uptilt wafting
He still top 10 smh
People just completely miss the point with Wario when they judge him by the same standards as a normal Smash character. You have to judge him by waft standards, because everything in his kit works towards waft. Annoying lingering hitboxes coupled with amazing aerial mobility making it harder for his opponent to get any meaningful hits; they have to take time picking their spots. More neutral, more waft. Great aerial mobility making it easier for him to opt out of high pressure situations where your opponent would be looking for you to swing so they can whiff punish. More neutral, more waft. Decent disadvantage as opposed to just bad, meaning it takes more interactions to take a stock. More neutral. More. Waft.
He's rarely ever at a disadvantage, which is what makes him so broken imo. A good amount more than characters like Wolf, Palutena, Peach, etc.
He’s not better than wolf but peach and Palu yeah probably
I disagree with being better than Peach and Palu. Palu just has some of the most obnoxious neutral options in the game and Peach is just super good at stalling out and dictating the pace of the game
Nice to hear yalls different opinions.
Wolf's kit is solid and as a character he basically has no flaws asides from arguably his recovery. I just think Wario's better. The sheer nature of how he works just makes playing against him naturally more frustrating. Wolf doesn't really have a gimmick that'll destroy you like that.
Palutena is similar in the sense that she just has a lot of really strong options that are hard to contest, but she has problems with mediocre disadvantage state and there are some issues that she can't capitalise on as well due to less mobility compared to characters like Joker, ZSS, etc.
Peach has a ridiculous advantage state but when it comes to picking her spots consistently and just having a lot of hard matchups, she tends to play in disadvantage more than Wario. There's almost never a point in the match where Wario should be playing in disadvantage and I just don't think Peach's kit has a comparable effect in matches.
@@lokks2130 wolf has side v gimmicks to trade stocks His neutrals is better his recovery isn’t even bad etc etc
When I was talking about gimmicks, I was talking about waft. Situational stock trade abilities don't even begin to compare.
His neutral being better is irrelevant. They play the game in completely different ways at a fundamental level. The effect Wario's kit creates in game is still greater than Wolf's because he plays in disadvantage less and just has a stronger mechanic. Wolf's neutral is superb, but it's not anything unfair like Pikachu, Joker, P/M etc. He can still be contested and out manuevered.
It doesn't matter if his recovery is "not even bad". You cannot deny the difference between his disadvantage and Wario's. Wario is practically unedgeguardable, Wolf can still be gimped even if it chalks down to 50/50s a lot of the time. It just goes back into what I said about Wario playing in disadvantage less.
A great video to release to celebrate warioware get it together coming out today!
It makes me incredibly happy how scrubs whined and cried so hard for nerfs on Wario, got what they were begging for and then they continue to lose hard to the same setups anyway.
Lmao what, the major wario complainers are top players who hate that he gets a free win button for camping. Where do you think scrubs get that opinion from? Scrubs don't get hit by waft confirms because the warios they play suck
Need that fan in your Corner 😂😂😂😂😂
this is the most european thing I've ever seen
Is this set not on yt?
Was playing a wario the otherday and died at 60 from uair late hit waft (the one that sends you upward) as a true confirm and i was just like.. "Bruh... nerfed btw"
I hope they do not nerf warriors more, as annoying waft is to play against, watching it is fun
Oh yeah, cause up tilt waft or 3 nairs then waft to die at zero is fun to watch. Fuck this character man and especially then ones say he is balanced rn
@@loadingname5499 so many characters have 0-death combos that you barely have to work for. At least wario has to wait to use his, and he only gets 1, maybe 2 a set. Not to mention they're difficult. Gluto is the only one consistently getting combos like this. Even when tweek was using wario consistently, pre nerf, he wasn't as good or consistent as gluto is.
I love how people pretend getting Waft off of UTilt is easy, considering the fact you have to buffer it or else it won't work.
@@robertjames8183 Many characters have zero to deaths, but none are consistent in reality outside of maybe Luigi. The thing is, Wario's Waft isn't just a zero-to-death, it's also a between 20 and 50% to death that he can set up into fairly easily. You have to respect him constantly whenever he has it, and if he holds it at all, he can have it indefinitely.
@@blazefactor6849 Easily, nothing. Falling UAir is super tight and like I said, you have to buffer after the UTilt
Surviving the waft with shield art. That's how you deal with top tier just play one so you can cancel each other bullshit.
The sad reality. The meta is not nearly as lenient and huge as people make it out to be
@@willycheez7218 wario and shulk are not even meta characters lol. the game is varied as character like luigi and byleth can be effective in grands.
@@showmeyourmoves8551 Wow, high tiers in grands 😱 no way. You ever seen a mid tier or below in a major grands?
@@willycheez7218 I mean, yes. And then people changed their opinion to put that character in high tier. Plus, Big D is a top 50 player playing what a lot of people consider to be a bottom 10 character. It's doable. Just not super doable.
@@bluyu What character would that be? And what major did Big D get to grands in?
Mfw LarryLurr uplaods
WAH! WAH! WHA!
Yo Larry, going to talk about NICKOLODEONS brawl gameplay reveal or is it Better to just wait at this point
What is the name of the tournament?
I think it was The Temple.
4:02 how tf did that up tilt even hit Charlie😂
GLUETONNY
Idk if Wario is solo viable though... Especially with Pyra/Mythra now. Good thing he's got a Joker
Very few characters are solo viable, tbh even the ones that are you still might as well have a secondary for their very few loosing matchups and maybe for even any that your main goes even with but the secondary wins
@@SsaiyanDorge Very true. That is how I, and probably most Ultimate players, approach things as well nowadays. Main and at least 1 secondary.
Wario is most def solo viable, just some rough matchups but utilizing waft correctly can also make bad matchups doable.
@@himmyneutron3560 but why bother? Why fight an uphill battle that you are more likely to loose. Just have a secondary 😂 if anyone is serious about winning tournaments they should have a secondary
@@himmyneutron3560 Yeah you're right for sure. When you break it down there's no character with no significant losing matchups. So in terms of the concept of solo viable, if any character is, Wario almost certainly is.
Maybe it's me but I love almost every brawl newcomer, plus I think Wario is so cool anyways. I wish I could play those really strong players but right now I'm not good enough, but that will change when I get a new controller. *MK B META* and have a great day
first stock taken honorably
2nd stock daylight robbery
3rd stock win the lottery
The only "honor" is playing the game with the set rules in place and following them. He didn't cheat in any capacity. All he's doing is using tools available to his character that are perfectly legal. If you want someone to follow some ideal sense of "honor", blame it on the game designers for making Wario the way he is where half his moveset is garbage but he happens to have one really strong setup you have to camp for in a game that rewards camping. Project M Wario is better.
@@DrCoeloCephalo ok... weirdchamp 🤓
@@crazymanmoovie657 Childish ad hominem.
@@DrCoeloCephalo Bruh, he was just quoting Larry in the video lol
@@thomasr.6669 Larry's wrong too. They followed the tournament rules, so there was no dishonor.
Hope for CDK when you read the title
'stops existing'
The nerfs to wario weren’t that influential on his gameplay, he still has his amazing neutral air, up air, forward air, back air and tilts and no to mention his woof.
Only ones bringing the nerf to an exaggerstion whiners were the bent outta shape players that sucked against the Wario matchup.
Wario mains labbing other stuff to throw out. That neutral A is still crazy setup for combos.
why dont they just nerf dlc characters. wario wasnt even broken
They do nerf dlc, also a lot of the fox aren’t even broken. Tbh no one in smash is broken they aren’t like brawl meta or smash 4 bayo some are just a bit stronger it’s a very balanced game and it’s not like any of them are played by the majority of players because with being broken like bayo and mk were. But yeah like if we use very strong not broken most dlc aren’t even very strong or at least not any more than wario some are worse than wario and joker got nerf (not big I know) pyra mythra got nerf min min got nerf etc.
He really was and the nerfs aren’t that big he’s still broken
@@Tintin26100 he wasn’t broken he was strong no one in ultimate is broken when did it become such a buzzword.
@@SsaiyanDorge They don't willingly nerf DLC, besides Min Min. They physically had to nerf Joker because he was so ridiculously overpowered (still is they did a horrible job), but if people weren't talking about it so much he definitely wouldn't have been nerfed because he's a 3rd party character. Pythra wasn't nerfed, their patch was more of a "fix", making their airdodge normal and making Lightning Buster factor in character weight, which it used to ignore for whatever reason. This patch ended up buffing them if anything because the only good thing about old LB is that it killed superheavies slightly earlier, but it also meant light characters were living longer, so it was worse because the majority of the cast is lighter than the old weight ignoring knockback
@@willycheez7218 okay so the first joker nerf was good actually, the down gun hitbox. The other more recent were more minor. It was still a nerf for Pythra and considering they only just came out that’s good. Like you said minmin got nerfed decently and the reason the other dlc haven’t is because they don’t need it not because they refuse to nerf dlc unless they have to.
Alternate video title: "Stop crying, Wario mains"
Wario is still as lame as ever... And I play this broken ass character
At least he's one of the only interesting top tiers. So many anime characters or generic boring humanoids and then funny fat man who farts
@@willycheez7218 Yes, but you see, he gets to take one or two stocks for free per game
compare to gazillion sword and disjoint charcaters in top tier, Wario is a breathe of fresh air. what are you on
@@showmeyourmoves8551 My guy, he's been considered top 5 by everyone for the longest time until recently. The character literally camps and gets one to two free stocks a game. It doesn't matter whether he doesn't have disjoints, since he has Fox level frame data on some of his moves. One whiff and you die. A sword character can't really do that. It's kinda the same story with Peach, just that she less consistent. These characters are broken and lame, and that's fine. I literally main them. I'll agree that swordies can be lame, but the BS that characters like Joker, ZSS, Rob, Wario, and Peach, can pull off is absurd, and I play all of them. It makes them cool, but it also makes them lame as shit sometimes.
At least he camps for an incentive rather than “because I can”
Amazing how few characters in the game can make me root for the sonic. Waft is ridiculous.
You'd rather root for Sonic whom is easy as heck to camp and play as as opposed to Wario whom demands a higher skill level to be consistent with? Okay.
@@DrCoeloCephalo sonic movement and whif punishing takes a lot of skill
@@DrCoeloCephalo Yes, because comeback mechanics are cringe.
@@rirayejohnson8079 Then don't play Ultimate where every character has a comeback mechanic cuz rage exists, making the whole cast and game cringe.
@@Pro-kesh Nah. It's not hard to dash in, get your opponent to throw something out then spin or run up to them to punish especially since Sonic has way better normals than Wario.
I hate Wario up tilt
Why is no one wearing a facemask, the pandemic is NOT over.
low-level players always complain ab insignificant nerfs lol
Low level players beg for nerfs then lose to the same setups anyway.
@@DrCoeloCephalo 95% of people who comment on youtube/twitter
Wario lame as hell
Wario is hype
Wario is neither