What It's Like to Own a P 51 Mustang
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- Hey, admit: You'd own a P-51 Mustang if you could. In this AVweb video shot at Sun 'n Fun, P-51 owner Louis Horschel explains what's involved in P-51 ownership. If you think it involves money, you're right.
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if you own a mustang you dont have much left to do for your bucket list
mustang better faster and better
You do know that the only really good thing about the p-51 was the fact that it had the british Merlin engine - the one Spitfire used originally? :D
Laminar flow wing.
me 262
That would be insane!
I like the way he understands that all that money he has paid and continues to fork out every month, is only the rent money and his title as "Caretaker" is only temporary. You come into the world with nothing and you leave with nothing. You come in alone, you go out alone. Everything in between is on loan.
Jeff Michael said to a group of us at an airshow "how do you stop an oil leak on a P51? You roll $1000 dollar bills up and stick them in the leak!"
I luv Jeff! Hes a great "down to earth guy" I think he was from North Carolina + used to fly for 1 of the airlines years ago..he didn't have a huge EGO like alot of the P51 owners...just a 'regular' guy truly refreshing to meet a guy like that! Mike.
I've always wanted to know what it's like to own one. This is very informative! Thanks so much for such a great video!
My dad and oldest brother put together a model Mustang that sat on a pedestal and had electric parts. The plane was clear plastic so you could see the parts inside it. I was only about 5 years old in the late 50s ( my timeline might be off several years), but I could always identify a picture of the Mustang after that. I also remember dad building planes with a balsa frames he cut out of pre-marked wood and covered them in what looked like tissue paper. I can still remember the smell of the glue/adhesive. Cool video.
Definitely make more ownership videos like this one. Really cool to know how much it cost to keep any planes new or old flying. I'd like to know more about staggerwings personally. Great video great quality!
Like a staggerwing Beech? Those are awesome planes and were way ahead of their time!
When one sees a WW II aircraft for real or in a well filmed video , WW II doesn't seem that far away. I saw a Lancaster Bomber fly over my work as I walked out escorted by two Spitfires and one Hurricane it was an awesome sight and sound, they were very low.
Really informative! It's great to hear about all the clever folks that are keeping these airplanes airworthy.
Great video ! I agree with the other viewers, this WOULD make a great series. "What's It Like To Own..." It would be incredibly interesting, from warbirds, homebuilts, experimental, helicopters and modern GA aircraft. It's something that has never been offered and would be a series that would have a huge following.
Perhaps one of the most informative videos on TH-cam! Thanks for the great interview. Now...where to find the $3M ownership cost + $400/hr operating costs.
Thank God there were some people who cared enough about these planes to save them. It's sad to think of the planes that were scrapped. I saw an air show demonstration of the Mustang and I still recall the thrill and the visceral feel of the growl of that engine.
Fantastic. Thanks Paul. Yes, please do more. Let this be the start of a whole new series "what's it like to own..."
. . . I would like to be in a position to complain about the cost of an annual for my Mustang
Nicer problems to have!
Would rather be in a position where I *didn't care* about the cost for an annual on my P-51.
No kidding...
I'd love to see more videos like this. How about a citation owner? Pilatus owner? Heck, a cirrus owner is out of my range right now too! Thanks for the post.
This! It could make a beautiful series! :)
My dad was a line chief on P-51's and P-47's during WWII. He started out in England and moved with the airplanes to France and Italy as the Allies advanced toward Germany..
Fantastic video and learned quite a bit. Thank you. What a beautiful iconic, timeless airplane.
I purchased a model P-51 Mustang, $21.99, annual fuel consumption $0.00
Considering a new Cessna 172 is 1/4 - 1/3 a million
a million for a p51 does not seem so bad.
Well when you put it that way...
Yeah that’s if you can actually find one that cheap. Cheapest ones for sale now are closer to 3 million
@@MrLunchHour2 check out F8Fs or F4U-5s......nuts!
@@gregbuck701 oh yeah those are even more valuable. Jack Roushe is still making parts for the mustang so a lot more of them are still flying
that's helpful. I don't feel so broke all of a sudden...
Sarcasm detector is going off...it's in the orange!
Джейсон Хичкок the answer... no one cares. you either got money or you don't lol.
Great video with phenomenal information. Although I will never own a Cadillac of the Skies, enjoying this information from incredible owners is just priceless.
If civilians are flying p-51s then 72 years from now civilians should be flying f-15s right?
probably....you can buy surplus Mig 29's from Russia for about 5Million but the fuel cost would be a killer also a few years ago England was selling off it's Harrier fleet so a F-15 isn't out of the question
Unfortunately, no. The US Department of Defense does not sell former combat aircraft to civilians (after a civilian-owned F-86 Sabre crashed into an apartment building during an airshow back in the late '60s).
several terrorists flew Boeing aircraft into several buildings, Civilians can still purchase those.. (albeit expensive). it's a shame when we outlaw things based on singular instances.
SpinyNorman2 So should I tell the owner of the Skyhawk I service he doesn't actually own it because the US Government didn't really sell it to him?
Not at all. When was it orginally sold by the US Navy? DoD currently do not sell to civilians. PA1NTBALL was talking about an F-15. You will likely never see an F-15 in civilian hands, except in a museum.
GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER AWSOME STORY THANK YOU TO YOUR FATHER NICE JOB,,,, BEAUTIFUL
I get to see Horschel and Mad Max fly every year at the Airfest in Culpeper, Virginia. That Rolls Royce Merlin is a sound, once you first hear it, you will never forget!
Jack Roush the NASCAR engine builder, had a P-51 Mustang and he flew it pretty regularly. he's probably the best known P-51 Mustang owner.
it's definitely my favorite WWII aircraft. they were AWESOME aircraft.
Great video.. glad someone can afford to keep these beauties alive!
Such an excellent and wonderfully informative review. How fascinating. Thank you! 🇱🇷
My grandpa owned a P51 from 1963 to 1970 (now known as petie 3rd) wish I had the privilege to fly in it. Truly incredible aircraft.
I owned the one in my picture. Bought it from "Aces Up" in Hayward, California in 1960 for $37,500.00. Needed hoses, tires, and a lot of ARN gear taken out, or replaced. That purple aromatic shit it burned cost nearly a buck a gallon. The bastard could burn more in one hour than I made in a week...well almost. I sold it to a doctor in Monterey for fifty grand and he ground looped it. It sold recently for 2.3 million...wish I , would I, could I...
If you'd bought a house in 1960 for $37,500.00.....odds are.....it would be worth a couple of million now.
@@SuperSetright Depends on location, location, location. My parents bought a house in 1958 in Indiana for $12,000-ish. As of 2021, it's worth about $170,000. Now, had it been a shack on the Malibu coastline.......
I saw this plane when it was in Geneseo in July of 2021. It was really cool to be almost completely alone in a hanger _full_ of restored airplanes. You can bet I took a bunch of pictures
3 planes I believe ruled the skies during WW2 were the P-51 Mustang, the Lancaster bomber, and the Corsair. The P-51 for it's speed and accuracy while escorting bombers over Germany. The Corsair while engaging the Japanese in aerial combat in the Phillipines.
The Lancaster bomber for the raids during the runs over Germany is my favourite as our city hosts one of the 2 remaining flying Lancasters here in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Don't forget the b25. It's was crucial to victory in the pacific theater
Dad an I worked for Lear,our major for a 150 was $100.Yeah,the guys had access to them.
Back in the 70s.
Wow - My dad flew Mustangs in WW2 also. I would also love to be able to afford one
Had no idea Roush had anything to do with the Mustang. Pretty cool!
Jack owns 2 of them, including triple ace Bud Anderson's "Old Crow" (not the one Anderson flew in the war, but the plane he bought "surplus" after the war for $1,500).
As I recall he survived a crash in one.
Yeah he's big in the P51 world......does alot of engine work.
I polished a chrome P-51 once when I was a teenager, with the dream in my head that when the owner showed up, he would say, "Great job! Wanna go for a ride?" The only problem with my plan is that the owner never showed. I'm now in my 50's and my quest to ride in a Mustang remains on the bucket list.
Only $1,000,000 to buy? If I had that kind of money to spend on an airplane, I'd certainly buy a P-51 before buying a new SR22!
But how would you buy gas?
It's a $1M airplane. 6000 gal of gas a year is $30k. I best the insurance and annual is about that too.
What's an SR22, a can of hair spray or something?
@@julianneale6128 the Cirrus SR22 is an single engine plane that costs around $757,000 base
@Bomber 625 Here's a true story.....In 1966 a flying club came into existence in the small town I lived in. They bought 2 brand new airplanes. A Cessna 150 for $7500 and a Cessna 172 for $1200!
As a kid growing up, I probably built more P-51 models than any other type of model. It's truly a classic warbird and one of the most beautiful aircraft to ever take flight.
Modest man. Thank you from Amsterdam
Very nice share! Thank you!
anything with 15 or 51 I can't afford but those are my favorite numbers when it comes to aircraft P51/F15 two best aircraft of all time in my book
If it’s a purely pilot’s plane, then it’s got to be the Spitfire from the piston age and the F-16 from the jet age. The Mustang, however, is still an incredible airframe.
I couldn't even afford a Mustang wheel..Incredible piece of machinery..
I like his attitude-that he is just the current custodian of this airframe and will pass it on when the time comes. Even at 3.5 million, far cheaper than trying to build one from scratch!
Please do a piece on a P-38 lightning.
Time to go to Oshkosh again.
A lot of the Mustangs also came from the RCAF as well. I remember back in the '60's they were selling them off for $1600. Tried to persuade my Dad to buy one....Oh Well.
There is a P 51 at flying heritage museum in Everett Wa that was used during WWII. The pilot that flew it was able verify it was his airplane during the war and supplied photos of the nose art etc.
I own several Mustangs - they are in my MSFS hanger...
Awesome video
Time to win the lottery! Hahaha
Imagine that at one time any person could purchase a flyable P-51 for less than what it cost to buy a corvette.
Around 1959 my dad wanted to buy a surplus Jeep and got government auction handouts. The booklets had the results of previous auctions and I noticed that Mustangs were selling for around $1100 with 50 to 100 hours on the airframes. I asked him to buy us kids one. He said Hell No....its going to cost you $50 in gas every time you fly it.
@@kimmer6 lol, imagine your dad could have bought 2 and if one is sold today you'd still make 2mil on profit before taxes
@@pogo1140 That would have been nice. But he was too frugal after living through the Great Depression to spend any money. I also wanted one of those brand new in-the-crate 20mm Lahti anti tank guns. $100 each....''But it will break your shoulder to shoot it''. I loved old school 1960's Surplus Stores.
Back in 1982, Bob Love, a P-51 and F-86 Ace, flew me from Livermore Airport in NorCal to Stockton Airport while he set up a photo shoot of Warbirds over the Golden Gate Bridge, then flew us back to Livermore. So I got TWO rides in a P-51D in one day! And I got to see the B-25 Esso Tiger make its maiden flight around the patch after restoration and come in on one engine, the #1 engine shut down and trailing oil. The landing gear knocked the incorrect valve off the oil tank at gear up...... 39 years ago and still fresh in my memory!
$1M? Like they say, if it flies, floats, or f***s, it's cheaper to rent...
Frank Costanzo lol....thx
"If its got tits or wheels,its gonna give ya trouble"..
Frank Costanzo I've got a good laugh out of that one! 😂
Yeah but name somewhere you can rent a P-51
One million gets you only a "flyer". A honey can be three times that-or more.
What a great dream ☺️ machine to be your weekly driver and here I thought owning a 69 Dodge Charger RT with a 440 was and is a great ride. Salute.
Add this to a long list of planes I will never be able to afford!!! Lol. Loved the video though.
many a trip I took on the road here in Texas I would fantasize about cruising home from Houston or Lubbock to DFW at 300-350 knots and be home in a fraction of the drive time
I owned and flew a T-28B for seven years. When asked that question, my standard answer was " I've been through two divorces, nothing scares me."
Would be cool to work for one of the shops that restores/maintains these.
What would it be like?
Awesome would be my answer!
talked once with a couple of ww2 vets who had purchased one for $4k surplus.
A friend of Rockefeller (senior) asked him how much his yacht had cost because he wanted to buy one. The answer was: if you need to ask then it’s too expensive for you…🤪
I'm just glad that in CAN be done. apart from the 800 hours overhauls, it's probably like owning a moderate Duesenberg SJ.
What a dream to fly a P-51, no matter who owns it.
Good for you 👍🏻
he never did mention how much an annual costs... or insurance... 100k for an overhaul is pretty good in the context of a twin, though - aside from getting to overhaul time pretty quick.
Daniel Goldman - annual is probably less than a cabin class twin. They're far less complicated. Insurance would probably be 2% of hull value at least. Doubt anyone buys it. If you can afford a $3M toy, you can afford to fix it if you break it.
Boat stands for "Bust out another thousand". Plane stands for, bend over and take it in the keister.
Ok what did you do and how do i it? Cuz I wanna be able to afford one!! I love to have an A4 also.
What it's like to own a P-51? It's fucking awesome that's what's probably like!
I'm so jealous, I am the son of a WW II Corsair fighter pilot and when joining the Corp. I got rejected as a fighter pilot due to eye site. I'm so jealous!
I own a mustang and I generally love driving it into crowds👍
The only Mustang I ever owned and could afford to fly was a tissue paper and balsa wood scale model, (which I built,) with a Cox .049 engine, and U-line controls. And I guess I’ll have to be satisfied with that, given my current age and economic status. In my home office, right now, I have a 1 /72 scale model of a Mustang one of my grandsons gave me. I guess one of these days I’ll put it together and I’ll own a Mustang again.
Is it possible to locate and find some of the external fuel tanks that this plane used to have? In case you want to give it some ER?
Yes
The hourly operating cost is in the $1400 area. I have a good friend that owns / flies a P-51. You will not even touch a flying P-51 for one million. A piece of junk, missing parts, non airworthy Mustang, that has not flown in decades will set you back one mil.
whats the name of his P51?...my friend also owns 1 + he told me about the same $$ figuring in the maintainence/insurance/gas+ hangar fees...a GREAT airplane though cheers, MustangMike.
A $5.00 used gas can and $ 4.00 in gas and you won't have to worrying about spending a million bucks oh and a $ 0.25 matches
the money vacuum!! Turning dollars into beautiful noise with gusto!
Thanks for the video, but wondered what this guy (and other warbird owners) do for a living to buy such aircraft? Or did I miss that some how? And I'd like to hear more about aircraft owners & their planes.
he owns a Hoechel brothers machnie
owner of Horechel brothers Machine Shop
It's easy to own a p51 how much do you want to spend?
Always a thing of beauty. With today's technology why can't they "recreate" these - with modering underpinnings (controls, avionics, engine, interior), thinking if they put different sheet metal over Cessna Caravan, PC12, Piper M600 or similar. Carve out 2-4 seats, start with the P51, move on to Spitfire, B17-B24
I envy you! I love the P51!
I think the P-51 was in production after WW2 and definitely was in US service certainly into the 50s.
I just guessed a--one hundred thousand dollars!!! I'm not even Dr Evil. I wasn't' even close.
i dont know much about aviation, not that i could afford it but 1-3 million seems reasonable for such a historic and iconic plane.
did they remove the 50 cal.s?
My #1 plane. What a beautiful plane.
If someone gave me a P51 in great shape, I couldn't afford to fly it much. Just the fuel alone would be expensive. Of course I would like to own one, but just for a little while. It's really a single seat gas hog, that may go 400 mph, but like all the rest, at a few thousand feet it looks like you're going about 30 mph, sometime ten. Would still be fun though.
100k isn't much money...1% talk!😂 These are awesome planes.👍
I am drooling!
He say those price ,"So a matter of factly" But of course this is the current cost of these old war birds. And the cost factor of maintaining. it's a wonderful thing but a rich man's toy. if I were rich I would do it with love. I know someone personally who owns a P-51 in Florida . it's a magnificent bird. I'm here in Northeast Philadelphia I used to see Jim Beasley's P-51 stations Northeast Philadelphia Airport though I have not seen a fly overhead recently.
I dwell over photos of hundreds upon hundreds of Mustangs parked in the desert waiting for the smelter. $1500 was the scrap value.
My situation is very complicated...because I wish a Spitfire and P-51...it is too much...lol.
It's the insurance that is the most expensive item as long as you don't have something major happen.
Save millions$ by flying one with an experienced pilot at Stallion51 in Florida! Log it in your log book and walk away, you'll thank me later.
It's my dream to fly a Mustang!
Did I get this right, it cruises at 300 MPH and uses 62 gallons of fuel in an hour so it gets 300 miles/62 gallons = 4.84 miles per gallon???
Well it is a 12 cylinder after all.
Yessir. Imagine having 12 cyl Ferrari...and have it take off into the air, with all of that added work load for lift off, as well as multi-directional air resistance. Just under 5 MPG sounds like a deal 👍
Sounds about right, especially if it has the supercharger on it, which it
probably does. It's also pretty heavy, with that 12 cylinder engine, which
I'm sure is all cast iron. If it was an aluminum engine, it would probably
do much better. Given the performance of the plane, you know that
it won't be "easy" on fuel.
I'm 11 and I love ww2 planes especially the p51 and p47
Django 450 ı m an unborn embryo and ı like p51 best turnfighter of the war
Sarp Kaplan I’m not even a twinkle in my fathers eye and I love the P-51 and P-38. Zeros were one of the best turn fighters also but had no armor.
When I was 4, my dad got me this game called blazing angels. It is a wwii arcade fighter game. Without it, I would not be in love with airplanes as I am today and I would not be learning ww2 since I was 4
@@splatm4n8 Blazing Angels was my JAM back in the day.
RADIOACTIVEBUNY it was a great game and so was blazing angels 2. When I was at the end of the second one, I was supper sad that the series had ended.
Cool I just need a million dollars now
How many P51’s still exist? How many were built?
... *_AWESOME!_*
Its neck breaking finding a good one. I better opt for the "Falconer V12 Thunder Mustang replica".
I wanna add HUD, missiles on the side, 30 caliber gatling gun on both sides, night vision, thermal vision.
Superb
The price will go folks. It always does. And lets hope that the EPA won't turn off the gas.
+Craid Pennington Shell has developed a cleaner AVGAS that is lead free. I think it is still in testing and approval. But I have not ready if any vintage owners have tested with it.
Can it do a tail slip
I never owned one but I had a good friend who did, he let me fly it if I bought the gas which was a rare event even when it was only about $1 a gallon! As a struggling flight instructor it took me a very long time to earn an hour's worth of 115/145! :D
By the way, he bought that 51D for $15,000. I am not kidding...this was the very early 1960s. A little after that period I bought a PT-22 for $1500...it was a barn find in Wharton, TX. True story.
I want one 😁!!!
What model