China - Sandaoling Out-takes & Oddments (2), December 2016
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- This is a random selection of clips that I haven't previously used for various reasons. You'll be able to tell why they've not been used - but they're too valuable historically not to publish them for everyone else ! Please enjoy them.
I’ve always loved the sound of a steam locomotive being stoked then burning the coal afterwards. These 2’10’0’s are sweet and magnificent to look at. If only China would keep them forever.
At the moment ( January/February 2021 ) I'm pleased to say that these locomotives are still hard at work hauling coal out of the mine. Unfortunately, the covid-19 virus is preventing visits to the location. They could finish working at any time though - we'll see! By the way, they're 2-8-2's not 2-10-0's ...... Andy
@@AndyDandanFisherSteam oh my bad lol y’all have great videos. Chesapeake and Ohio no.1309 is back in action after 64 years ! She’s in western Maryland, USA.
@@AndyProper It's good to see any steam loco back in action. We're lucky in the UK. We have a lot! Thanks for the compliment by the way .... Andy
@@AndyDandanFisherSteam you’re welcome! Btw it’s nice to talk too another andy lol that is true ! Steam locomotives are so fascinating. I still love the sound of the coal being stoked into the firebox in videos. I haven’t ever seen a running steam locomotive in person.
@@AndyProper You'll like these ... China and Zimbabwe -
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The power of steam, those were the days , Thank you .
It brings back some memories of the UK 50 years ago, visiting Sandaoling.
Love the big long extension cord for the shovel. In reality they are so heavy they need a tractor to move them, but it does look kinda cute.
They breed the loco crews strong in this part of China !!
They are cross compounds. They exhaust externally at the side of the stack rather than into the smoke box maybe that is why they have more noise.
I don't believe this is correct, Paul. As far as I know, they are not compounds. Both cylinders work at the same pressure and exhaust is through the smoke box in a conventional manner ........ Andy
the Chinese engines that are here have cross compounds. If you look at 142 on the BelDel in NJ you can see it. They are interesting in that the cylinder on the low pressure steam side is the same size as the air cylinder is on the low side. Westinghouse compressors are different sizes. I think the Chinese design has fewer parts as a result. Anyway cool video. When I grew up they had steam around Buxton in the UK pulling stone trains and I remember wheel slip was common but the crews didn’t care much about it, I guess they weren’t repairing them....
@@paulnicholson1906 I can find no evidence of either the QJ's (3 in the USA) or the JS's featured in this video being either compounds or, even more unusually, cross-compounds. However, I'll not start an online engineering debate! I'm not an engineer. I also remember the stone trains around Buxton - mainly 8F hauled if I remember correctly. ........ Andy
Those Chinese compressors make quite a racket!
Yes they do, I agree. Compressors of this kind were never a feature of British steam locomotives "in the day". However, they have been retro-fitted to locos working on the UK mainline to operate modern air braked stock. I have to say that even the relatively quiet British ones irritate me on British locos! There's a good example in - th-cam.com/video/IrY_7bF-vVk/w-d-xo.html
Andy and Dandan Fisher Coming from North America, I have grown to love that compressor sound, however our compressors are nowhere near as noisy as the Chinese ones. They must be more powerful or something. I can see how they'd be annoying on British locos, though.
Mmmm. British trains were all vacuum braked in steam days - not air braked.
I'm thinking the air pumps on these little engines may be simple, rather than cross compound. Thus they would be exhausting fairly high pressure steam. Also, they would be much quieter if exhausting through a muffler.
I'll go along with that - sounds sufficiently technical for me !!
Машинист экскаватора очень аккуратно грузит, ковш ложит в думпкар , после открывает засруб .молодец, видимо во всём аккуратное и бережное отношение к технике , поэтому долго она у них работает.
Я заметил, что они не торопятся и делают это правильно. I've noticed that they take their time and do it right. ...... Andy
I have seen many videos on Sandaoling and ont thing I can't begin to understand is why the Chinese don't install sandboxes on their locos! I know there is a cost in doing so, but much less than the wasted fuel and water, the wear and tear on the tracks and the wheels and bearings and the additional maintenance!
I'm not absolutely certain - sanding gear may well be fitted - I'll try to remember to ask when I'm next there! However, in their defence, you have to understand that these locos and their drivers are operating on temporary track which is rather uneven in places (as it is moved regularly) which doesn't help with traction on an eight coupled loco, and also that these videos were made when the air temperature was around minus ten degrees (centigrade). Trains running early in the morning, particularly, have icy conditions to deal with, which can persist for the whole day sometimes.
They have a sand box mounted immediately behind the chimney/stack. If you google a static pic of a JS 2-8-2 like this you can see the sand lines, two of them, branching back and down to the drivers.
@@AndyDandanFisherSteam at -10°C, it must be so comfortable in driver's cab.
Pop-off works :)
please sandaoling 2020 andy
The JS's at Sandaoling are due to finish in September this year. Under our present climate of virus infections, it's looking unlikely that I'll be able to make a last visit there before they go. I'm hoping for a short extension of their service! ....... Andy
What's with all the dogs? Not so far to get lunch?
I've been to China many times and (as far as I know) have never been served dog meat. Andy
@Larry Butler The dogs in these videos are pets. However, in some parts of China (the south) they seem to eat any animal ..... Andy
They Continuously are spinning the driver wheels. I don't think they have traction sand. I don't see a sand dome on the engine. What a waste and extra wear and tear.
I think they are fitted with sanding gear but it's probably not working. Plus the shots were filmed at about 20 degrees below freezing and the rails were very icy.
They seem to do better when running tender first.
Mmmmm. Possibly. I think sanding gear is badly maintained but the main problem is the very icy conditions - especially at the start of the working day. This was filmed at minus 15 degrees C.
PS. Most tender first runs are downhill !!
очень жаль незнаю английский, очень хотелось бы узнать о чём в комментариях пишут
Если вы можете использовать Google в России, вы можете использовать функцию «перевод». If you can use Google in Russia, you can use the "translate" function ...... Andy
@@AndyDandanFisherSteam Спасибо , ну сто-то не переводит .выходит окошко - всегда переводить английский , но не переводит почему-то ,
@@ВалерийПавлов-я6о
Хорошо. Ну, я сделаю все возможное, чтобы перевести для вас! Alright. Well I'll do my best to translate for you! ....... Andy
@@AndyDandanFisherSteam Очень благодарен.
@@AndyDandanFisherSteam я много вашего видео просмотрел и не заметил у китайцев на промышленных объектах ни заборов с колючей проволокой, ни охраны с кпп и тому подобными , у них что, коммунизм? нет воровства?