Great little video Andy. They say ignorance is bliss but not for those with the knowledge. I agree with everything you said. I am a qualified mechanic and worked on all vehicles up to 3 ton for 30 years. I also worked as a Harley Davidson technician for 10 year and got my qualifications at the Harley college near Birmingham UK. I also worked for Crescent motorcycles in Verwood for a number of year mostly suzuki, yamaha, honda and KTM. I'm retired now at 68 But when I look back my biggest regret was selling my 1993 Ducati 900ss. I also changed my clutch for a tungsten caged kit, so much quieter and smoother in operation. My only concern with it was it still had the original cylinder head studs with the 'O' stamped on the tops which were prone to snap and bugger up the engine, but never did. I envy were you live , I spent 7 year living near Melbourne Victoria and wish I was still there. Have really enjoyed watching your videos of your Ducati rebuild and watching you ride it around Tasmania. Keep them coming. All the best. Mike.
love the really polite way you call guys fuckwits lol . truly enjoy all your vid's and i dont even own a bike now , when i did it was dirt bikes . never did like road riding unless it was to get to trials
No worries about the buttercup keyboard warriors, indeed most dont have any content on there channel, or do even respond back when I reply to there hate speech.. I am man enough to give them answer and try to lure them out in the open for a discussion 😉 none of them have yet replied 😀. Also I don't want claim that I do everything perfect or I the way others would do it, but for sure I am confident about what I do, how I do it and 30 years have proven that what I do works . I have one filosofy in my work life, I want to learn something new every day, something I did not yet know, or a new trade, or even a thing that was around for years before but I never realised or noticed before.. simple things like for example that plug that hold the rocker arm axle in the head from a 1200 engine (1198, MTS 1200, Diavel etc ) has the same size and tread as the Lambda (02 sensor) on the exhaust of the MTS 1200 and 1199 generation.. when I have such a moment each day I work my day is complete. 😜😜
I know Toine personally and he's one of the best Ducati mechanics there is (together with his father Jan). Thats why my 888 still runs after 147.000km (yes no typo) with a lot of Biggelaar modifications :)
Installed Andy's/Biggelaar Performance mod two hours ago. My ST2 sounds great now. Original clucth was ridden 47007km. Now have new original with this mod. Waiting for holidays to get on the road.
I also recently ordered and installed the Biggelaar clutch modification, and I am very happy with it. Not only the irritating rattle is gone, but even more important is that the handling of the bike at low speed has much improved.
I don’t normally comment on such subjects, but well done, I’m in full agreement with you for sticking up for Toine and also the reasons. I don’t own a Ducati but would dearly love one and I watched all the videos on this subject with interest.You/he explained it all perfectly well, but there’s always someone that knows better. (Oh the joys of social media)🙄. Any way keep up the excellent stuff you do, all the best. 👍
Thank you,, i just bought an older ducati monster 900. I kept hearing a knocking from the clutch basket.. i did not know that was normal.. im used to wet clutches. This is the first bike ive owned with a dry clutch.
EVR also makes an Anti-clank pressure plate with an extra steel plate bolted to the inside face of the pressure plate, does a similar thing as ur Dutch mechanics fix.
No sorry it doesn't as the EVR pressure plate doesn't make that friction connection between basket and centre hub.. same as the 48 theeth clutch sets, they wear out even faster then OEM sets simply due to the fact that it runs friction plates that have there friction material fitted on a steel core, so you gave 48 sharp thin steel notches hammering there way through aluminium grooves which obviously are softer then the notches made out of steel from the friction plates.. there are so many so called solutions out there for problems that basically don't correct the problem .
@@toinevandenbiggelaar6083, think I followed yeh on the explanation, I did also fit a Barnet clucth pack at the same time. I assume that also helped quite it down, think the friction plates were aluminum too, hopefully help make the basket last a bit longer too at that is still stock, etc.. . .certainly is much quiter now and engages nicely compared to before it was replaced.
@@TerribleTimes sadly TH-cam doesn't make it possible to post pictures in the comments otherwise I would have some very nice examples for the 48 theeth clutches and what happens with them .. if you're interested in it hit me up on Facebook messenger and I will PM to you directly
I watched the clutch mod you did and it clearly made a difference, I’ve been around dry clutches for years being involved with speedway, they too run dry clutches , guess what they rattle. The cylinder heard porting video was Awesome, which was backed up with increased dyno performance graphs, what more do people want? Unbelievable that people have been whinging just shows what ignorance people have, I guess complaining makes them feel EPIC !
This is right up there with 'my exhaust pops when I decelerate' or 'should I sand my chicken strips off' and 'how do I stop my header pipes from turning blue'. When I started riding, we never gave it any thought. We didn't have smart phones or internet. We got our repair info by talking to other riders or mechanics. Then some 'stupid' invented bike forums.
Ok thats interesting found this looking into clutch noise. My Aprilia Tuono V4 wet clutch has just started making this rattle in Neutral - although noise is muffled as its in oil. Will have to follow up what your fix was in other video.
Many many years ago I was working in a Toyota dealership Guy brought in a Land Cruiser pickup truck early model truck needed everything transfer cases differentials brake steering linkage staring gear box bushings spring hangers engine overhaul transmission clutch overhaul doors rebuilt I'm talking everything. Customer pick the truck up at about 3 in the afternoon at 5 it was back, I am thinking could be possible be wrong ? Owner walks up to me asking my name (all communication has been done through the service advisor that's his job) stuck out his hand shock mine. Handed me $100 Bill US , a bottle of fine Burbon his business card and said if you ever need my services it's on the house. This vehical never drove this well before even when new ! Take pride in your work and it will pay off.
After several years, I’ve just accepted the Ducati dry clutch racket and bought myself a 1098 to go with my two Hayabusas. Now I love it…you’re fixing it?!?? 😲
It was clear to see that when doing the porting toine knew exactly where and how much porting was required. That is a level of skill that takes years to master. Unlike someone that thinks they know how port a head after watching a youtube video. Please can we have more content from the ducati master.
So many internet and armchair experts, most of them have never owned a Ducati let alone worked on one but seem to know everything about them, I just chuckle at them Andy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mate Toine does p&p like I do on Shovels. I just know what the motor needs. I do it by feel, eye mixed with some knowlege and about 40 years of experience. I've never had a " what the fuck did you do my motors its shit" remark in my life. I did my diesel fitter mechanic apprenticeship at the end of the 70's into the 80's when it was an engineering course. Mate I watched Toine and thought thats a fucking professional. I worked in a garage in Melbourne and I tuned a Lotus Escort. I fine tuned her by road testing my initial set up and pulling over on the side of Whitehorse rd and giving her a tweek here and ther till I new she was in her sweet spot. The owner picked her up at about quarter to five and took off, he was back at 1700. I shat myself, I thought I'd been over confident in my ability. He asked the wanker Dell boss who tuned his prized vehicle. The boss didn't waste any time pointing at the new guy. The owner came over and gave me a 50 buck note and said it was the best tune he had ever had, the car ran pretty good too. I was sacked that arvo.
@@ANDY5 I reckon I can answer that question Andy, because it sounds like a similar situation I had about 15 years ago, but completely different industry and job and skill level lol, I was basically a labourer. But, it did involve me, the new guy, basically making the guy in charge look like a D head that had no idea what he was doing. Apparently they don't like that, all as I was doing was trying to do a good job. Because it was nightshift, I was fired the next day. Oh, and I read Toines comment, he is clearly a switched on dude. He is not an experienced TH-camr, but after being in just a few videos he has already mastered dealing with the trolls. What a legend 👍😀
The way to order one is pretty loose. Just go to the Biggelaar Performance Facebook page and message them. Or click on the email link on their website and send them an email. Two things that you will need to tell them 1. Whether your clutch basket is steel or aluminum 2. That you saw it here on Andy’s Motorcycle Obsessions
My mate heard my 1098 rattle when I brought it along for our first ride out when I bought it. He thought the engine was broke when I went to pull away with the “sounds like a skeleton having a wank” comment. Only a Ducati dry clutch owner will understand..... It’s like the Batman and Robin Meme...... “Dry Clutch!” As he slaps robin. And how they can slate Toine when you see him porting that engine only sums up what they know about a genius at work- ie fuck all.
Wet clutch in my Ducati Monster 620 ie ,but if i had a dry one i would be contacting Toine as fast as i get it . i am kinda a " cork clutch" generation guy here , Burman tranys ...those were dry clutches!!!!LOL
There are Moriarty's everywhere, ignore them and dont expend energy on them. If they can't understand why it rattles when you pull tbe clutch in there is no hope for them. A major benift of this Mod is it lengthens the service life of the basket as the driven/friction plate tangs dont beat the slots in the basket at idle in neutral. In the early days it was a new basket every second set of friction plates, it got expensive. If folks are annoyed by a dry clutch noise, a dry clutch Ducati is not for you. Go elsewhere or buy a wet clutch Testastretta. Owning a Diavel, a 848 Evo track bike or my old Pantah they are not as visceral as my 1098 SF, 900 Monster or Treblance 900 SS. Old school charm ♥️ Now where is my copy of Kelly's Heros for a refresh of Oddball (Donnald Sutherland ) wisdom.
When I dialed up Andy's this morning, I thought it was a hoax... an April fool's day like joke that some trolls are complaining about Toine and his clutch mod. I ordered the mod right after Andy did his video (probably to Toine's exasperation .... not only was I an impatient customer waiting for my shipment to California, USA as he'll recall, but the shear number of orders pouring in after Andy made the video was probably a bit much!). My clutch was in great shape unlike Andy's when he made the video, so I had to exchange a few of the smaller shimmed pieces to get the correct amount of overhang on the end cap, but the install took like 15 minutes. And a quick tip as well since I haven't seen this in here, but I used a telescoping magnet to pull the individual plates (the kind you buy at the auto parts store to grab that metal screw you drop down in the engine compartment from time to time) and each plate came out clean in seconds without having to reach in with fingers or tools. Anyway, once installed, the difference is amazing... both in the way it idles and in the way the bike feels on the road. My bike is garage kept, and when I ride, I typically open the garage door and start er' up to let her warm a minute before I roll her out onto the road. Previously, the clacking sounded like that yellow Monster in this vid. But inside my garage. HOLY HELL. EAR PLUGS PLEASE! Now, I start it up, and it's so much quieter that I was actually able to make a cell call standing next to the bike in my garage with it idling, only the engine noise present... that nice deep Ducati rumble (and to avoid the question, I have FBF high slip on pipes - 1998 900 SS/FE #126... so not generally quiet to begin with). And of course, when you pull in the clutch (especially with the open air as Andy has and I have as well), you'll hear the individual plates sliding against one another. I love it... keeps that original dry clutch sound, but in moderation. And as Andy described, the road manners with the mod are easily noticeable. One additional thing I've noticed is that with FCR 41mm carbs I have installed, I've always had to dial open the carbs to start and idle until warm or the bike would die. For some reason (probably because it's not tossing that energy back and forth as much in the clutch), I no longer have to dial it at all. Hit the starter, and she idles clean right away. Anyway, thanks Andy. Thanks Toine.
Sounds like when I asked my Irish next door neighbour if my direction indicators were working, he said “dey are, dey aren’t, dey are, dey aren’t,.........l
Internet wannabe mechanics are great, when they come to your shop they will tell you exactly what is wrong with their bike by saying "don't bother checking X, because I already sorted that out"
I don't understand the enjoyment of ridicule and criticism towards people about what they do or their ability or Channels for that matter, yeah question them. These often turn into vendettas supported by those who love to hate. Silly comments become really boring after years of hearing them, there comes a time when they cant stir a wry smile but more of a tired grimace. Toine's experience and know-how cant be bought its gained over many years through enthusiasm, why these people are criticising is a mystery they rarely if ever say what their authority is to do so. I'm sure he knows he has no need for concern as his reputation and achievements say what needs to be known. All that aside 2 weeks ago I was offered a Ducati DS1000 engine with 3200 miles on it complete swinging-arm and rear-wheel for £100, I couldn't help myself and bought it, in other words, I couldn't get the money out of my pocket fast enough. The guy I got it from was gonna build a trike with it - a wheel too many for me. Now, what do I do with it, polish it and put Glass over it i.e. nice coffee table, make it a cutaway engine displayed in a cabinet or a Norcati and teach the Italians how Rex would've made a Duke handle properly? lol. Lyta tank, clip-on's, rear sets etc It has, of course, all been done before though I can't see one with a single-sided swinging arm. www.scribd.com/article/399071423/Norcati. Depending on what I do I will need convert to carbs, I should've had a pair of Amal GP's about but can't find them. I do have a set of Bing's, not pretty and anyway they're part of a BMW Krauser heads barrels and piston set up I have sat (i.e. ornaments). So suggestions would be good.
@Nightster thank you for your kind words and support, I am not scared or worried about my work or experience as the results and respect I get from customers and other people says enough. I just like to try and lure those keyboard warriors out in the open for discussion even though I know there are just trolls who have only one thing in life that gives them a good feeling because for the rest they probably haven't accomplished anything in life and in this way they feel strong, behind the safety of anonymity. Clearly almost all of them have a empty TH-cam account and the one guy brave enough to bite the bait has a lot to tell but can't back up his expertise and his total social media accounts have zero motorcycle related things on them, he claims he has 25 years experience but is only 37 years old .. I am laughing my ass off until I get bored and then just ignore there comments.. no worries about me I know what I do and the hundreds of results are enough confirmation that for me this is the correct way and the results show that 😇
Of course it does, I don’t delete or hid from comments. I welcome interaction and constructive criticism. The clutch thing keeps coming up and I was getting tired of repeatedly replying to the same questions, so I felt it warranted a video explanation. As for uneducated personal attacks on my friends, I quickly loose patience. Say what you want about me, but if you want to challenge a man with the skills and knowledge of Toine you had better have something more than flippant uneducated idiotic verbal diarrhea or you will receive a less than flattering response. When someone like Toine takes the time to share behind the scenes glimpses into the world of Ducati performance with us mere mortals, I believe we should show him the respect and gratitude that he so richly deserves.
@@ANDY5 so like subscribe and intelligent constructive non repetitive aquiesent comments only? Seems a bit ott, so what if they impune toine's finnese, his work and the people who pay for it can attest to his abilities as for the clutch noise, they have obviously never been in a race paddock. These things are obvious to the initiated and getting your panties in a bunch over innane uneducated comments is a little beneath you. What you are doing on youtube relies on comments doesn't it? Algorithms don't care if they are stupid.
Could be. To me it seems that Ducati has just decided to keep rattling dry clutches (same as with them holding on to desmo, tubular frames) since they more or less define what Ducati is al about. As in, keeping alive a certain mystique around the Ducati brand name.
When the clamping force is taken off the clutch pack it's going to rattle. Aluminium parts are slightly quieter that steel components but you need a little clearance and that will cause the rattle
Not the best choice of description. What I should have said was that as the plates are freed up when the clutch is disengaged they are free to rattle about and separate.
Nice one mate. Armchair mechanics are the worst! When you get really good at your job you make it look easy, people think you may be thing short cuts, not doing it correctly in their eyes. I'm a chippie. It's taken me 40 years to make stuff look easy! You don't need to think about how to do the job, how to use the tools, only the end result. If you can see it in your head before you start then all is well. It's hard work making stuff look easy. This Ducati guy who's name i won't try to spell, he knows his stuff. He builds WSB motors for Christ's sake. You don't have to watch it. I watch it because i appreciate someone at the top of their game.
Its a easy name haha Toine from Antonius in France, or just call me crashingbiggel as that is more or less the nickname I earned in my racing days, it was either on the podium or inspecting the gravel trap when people would pass me 😉😆😅🤣😂
@@firestorm755 I don't mind too be called the Ducati guy haha its just not my hard earned nickname from the past..😛😜 but just call me what you like .. tnhx for the kind words about the gasflow work .
Oh dear, Toine seems to have been dragged into to the sad world of TH-cam trolling. Either way I don’t think I fancy the Duc’s noisy clutch, modified or not, just sounds wrong.
Nice one. People (me included) are idiots. Nothing is going to change that unfortunately. But I suspect there is a sliding “idiot” scale. Even this idiot knows a dry clutch is going to rattle when the clutch is used. Sigh!
Seriously though, I think you're a legend m8, and I respect everything you say. That being said, IDK if it's because of the open cover, or because of something different in your sound recording setup, or what, but I merely made the observation that it was never that loud before you "fixed" it. Apparently I'm not alone. Maybe you don't hear it, but on this end it's loud as hell, every time you pull the clutch in. I understand the modification on at least an elementary level, and I don't dispute anything you've said, but why is it so much louder than before? Considering what you just said, I suspect the difference is due to the open cover, but I really don't know. I'm the 1st to admit when I don't know something, but I know what I hear. It's loud dude. If you could find the time, I'd like to hear your thoughts on why they still do that. The dry clutch I mean. Is it just one of those hold-over things like desmodromic valve drive that they just keep doing cuz that's how they always have, or is there really some advantage to the dry clutch? I can't see any, but I, personally would like to hear your thoughts on the subject. Thank you Mr. Andy, for everything you do. We truly do appreciate it.
It’s not just you mate, a lot of people have commented. I think it’s because people are focusing on it. Advantages of a dry clutch. 1. The clutch material can’t contaminate the oil 2. The clutch doesn’t add heat to the oil 3. The clutch mass is spinning without the resistance of the oil 4. You can service the clutch without draining your engine oil 5. Because race bike 6. Because Ducati
Those clutches are just crap! Seriously what a stupid design. I would hate that sound, how are you supposed to listen to the rest of your motor running, and listen for any other noises that can start to occur as they wear.
Great little video Andy. They say ignorance is bliss but not for those with the knowledge. I agree with everything you said. I am a qualified mechanic and worked on all vehicles up to 3 ton for 30 years. I also worked as a Harley Davidson technician for 10 year and got my qualifications at the Harley college near Birmingham UK. I also worked for Crescent motorcycles in Verwood for a number of year mostly suzuki, yamaha, honda and KTM. I'm retired now at 68 But when I look back my biggest regret was selling my 1993 Ducati 900ss. I also changed my clutch for a tungsten caged kit, so much quieter and smoother in operation. My only concern with it was it still had the original cylinder head studs with the 'O' stamped on the tops which were prone to snap and bugger up the engine, but never did. I envy were you live , I spent 7 year living near Melbourne Victoria and wish I was still there. Have really enjoyed watching your videos of your Ducati rebuild and watching you ride it around Tasmania. Keep them coming. All the best. Mike.
love the really polite way you call guys fuckwits lol . truly enjoy all your vid's and i dont even own a bike now , when i did it was dirt bikes . never did like road riding unless it was to get to trials
No worries about the buttercup keyboard warriors, indeed most dont have any content on there channel, or do even respond back when I reply to there hate speech.. I am man enough to give them answer and try to lure them out in the open for a discussion 😉 none of them have yet replied 😀. Also I don't want claim that I do everything perfect or I the way others would do it, but for sure I am confident about what I do, how I do it and 30 years have proven that what I do works . I have one filosofy in my work life, I want to learn something new every day, something I did not yet know, or a new trade, or even a thing that was around for years before but I never realised or noticed before.. simple things like for example that plug that hold the rocker arm axle in the head from a 1200 engine (1198, MTS 1200, Diavel etc ) has the same size and tread as the Lambda (02 sensor) on the exhaust of the MTS 1200 and 1199 generation.. when I have such a moment each day I work my day is complete. 😜😜
I know Toine personally and he's one of the best Ducati mechanics there is (together with his father Jan). Thats why my 888 still runs after 147.000km (yes no typo) with a lot of Biggelaar modifications :)
Well said Andy!
Well said my man, couldn't be any clearier and Ho again from little New Zealand
nice little update mate! cheers for the share!
Man your explanation is short and sweet love it
When I had a 748 . So called bikers said it’s fucked . Told them to fuck off . 😂👍❤️🏍
Thanks for clearing that up Andy
Installed Andy's/Biggelaar Performance mod two hours ago. My ST2 sounds great now. Original clucth was ridden 47007km. Now have new original with this mod. Waiting for holidays to get on the road.
I also recently ordered and installed the Biggelaar clutch modification, and I am very happy with it. Not only the irritating rattle is gone, but even more important is that the handling of the bike at low speed has much improved.
Well said ,sort sweet and to the point. Greetings from the Isle of Man.
I don’t normally comment on such subjects, but well done, I’m in full agreement with you for sticking up for Toine and also the reasons. I don’t own a Ducati but would dearly love one and I watched all the videos on this subject with interest.You/he explained it all perfectly well, but there’s always someone that knows better. (Oh the joys of social media)🙄. Any way keep up the excellent stuff you do, all the best. 👍
Thank you,, i just bought an older ducati monster 900. I kept hearing a knocking from the clutch basket.. i did not know that was normal.. im used to wet clutches. This is the first bike ive owned with a dry clutch.
EVR also makes an Anti-clank pressure plate with an extra steel plate bolted to the inside face of the pressure plate, does a similar thing as ur Dutch mechanics fix.
No sorry it doesn't as the EVR pressure plate doesn't make that friction connection between basket and centre hub.. same as the 48 theeth clutch sets, they wear out even faster then OEM sets simply due to the fact that it runs friction plates that have there friction material fitted on a steel core, so you gave 48 sharp thin steel notches hammering there way through aluminium grooves which obviously are softer then the notches made out of steel from the friction plates.. there are so many so called solutions out there for problems that basically don't correct the problem .
@@toinevandenbiggelaar6083, think I followed yeh on the explanation, I did also fit a Barnet clucth pack at the same time. I assume that also helped quite it down, think the friction plates were aluminum too, hopefully help make the basket last a bit longer too at that is still stock, etc.. . .certainly is much quiter now and engages nicely compared to before it was replaced.
@@TerribleTimes sadly TH-cam doesn't make it possible to post pictures in the comments otherwise I would have some very nice examples for the 48 theeth clutches and what happens with them .. if you're interested in it hit me up on Facebook messenger and I will PM to you directly
I watched the clutch mod you did and it clearly made a difference, I’ve been around dry clutches for years being involved with speedway, they too run dry clutches , guess what they rattle. The cylinder heard porting video was Awesome, which was backed up with increased dyno performance graphs, what more do people want? Unbelievable that people have been whinging just shows what ignorance people have, I guess complaining makes them feel EPIC !
Thanks Ian
This is right up there with 'my exhaust pops when I decelerate' or 'should I sand my chicken strips off' and 'how do I stop my header pipes from turning blue'.
When I started riding, we never gave it any thought. We didn't have smart phones or internet. We got our repair info by talking to other riders or mechanics. Then some 'stupid' invented bike forums.
Ok thats interesting found this looking into clutch noise. My Aprilia Tuono V4 wet clutch has just started making this rattle in Neutral - although noise is muffled as its in oil. Will have to follow up what your fix was in other video.
Many many years ago I was working in a Toyota dealership Guy brought in a Land Cruiser pickup truck early model truck needed everything transfer cases differentials brake steering linkage staring gear box bushings spring hangers engine overhaul transmission clutch overhaul doors rebuilt I'm talking everything. Customer pick the truck up at about 3 in the afternoon at 5 it was back, I am thinking could be possible be wrong ? Owner walks up to me asking my name (all communication has been done through the service advisor that's his job) stuck out his hand shock mine. Handed me $100 Bill US , a bottle of fine Burbon his business card and said if you ever need my services it's on the house. This vehical never drove this well before even when new !
Take pride in your work and it will pay off.
Love the 900ss. My first Ducati! Just bought a 2007 Ducati Monster s4rs. Had to have it! Cheers!
After several years, I’ve just accepted the Ducati dry clutch racket and bought myself a 1098 to go with my two Hayabusas.
Now I love it…you’re fixing it?!?? 😲
Nice one Andy aaaarh! My Ducati sounds exactly like yours. Following the quiet mod.
From now on I'm your new subscriber, great job u doing here, well done.
Thanks Tibor
It was clear to see that when doing the porting toine knew exactly where and how much porting was required. That is a level of skill that takes years to master. Unlike someone that thinks they know how port a head after watching a youtube video. Please can we have more content from the ducati master.
Exactly Andy Toine is one of the good guys in the motorcycle world.
Just fitted my clutch kit, amazing difference.
Fantastic news Wil, your bike will thank you for it.
My motorcycle stalls with a jerk once put it into gear to drive away can I have help plz?
Doesnt matter how good at something you are these days. someone will always pick faults, the joys of the internet
Ducatis come broken stock out the factory 🤣😂
Some mothers do have em ..... I would suggest the subscribe to Del Boys with all the other drips under pressure
So many internet and armchair experts, most of them have never owned a Ducati let alone worked on one but seem to know everything about them, I just chuckle at them Andy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Should have just called this video, Andy says FOff d head's.
Mate Toine does p&p like I do on Shovels. I just know what the motor needs. I do it by feel, eye mixed with some knowlege and about 40 years of experience. I've never had a " what the fuck did you do my motors its shit" remark in my life. I did my diesel fitter mechanic apprenticeship at the end of the 70's into the 80's when it was an engineering course. Mate I watched Toine and thought thats a fucking professional. I worked in a garage in Melbourne and I tuned a Lotus Escort. I fine tuned her by road testing my initial set up and pulling over on the side of Whitehorse rd and giving her a tweek here and ther till I new she was in her sweet spot. The owner picked her up at about quarter to five and took off, he was back at 1700. I shat myself, I thought I'd been over confident in my ability. He asked the wanker Dell boss who tuned his prized vehicle. The boss didn't waste any time pointing at the new guy. The owner came over and gave me a 50 buck note and said it was the best tune he had ever had, the car ran pretty good too. I was sacked that arvo.
Cool story, why were you sacked?
@@ANDY5 I reckon I can answer that question Andy, because it sounds like a similar situation I had about 15 years ago, but completely different industry and job and skill level lol, I was basically a labourer. But, it did involve me, the new guy, basically making the guy in charge look like a D head that had no idea what he was doing. Apparently they don't like that, all as I was doing was trying to do a good job. Because it was nightshift, I was fired the next day.
Oh, and I read Toines comment, he is clearly a switched on dude. He is not an experienced TH-camr, but after being in just a few videos he has already mastered dealing with the trolls. What a legend 👍😀
Now Andy... That rattle. Have you tried Copper Slip? It's okay... I am already going.... :(
Mine clicks when release....a clak idy clacking until it grabs. Driving me crazy.
I went to their website and there is no mention of the clutch mod kit. How would one in the US order one?
The way to order one is pretty loose. Just go to the Biggelaar Performance Facebook page and message them. Or click on the email link on their website and send them an email. Two things that you will need to tell them 1. Whether your clutch basket is steel or aluminum 2. That you saw it here on Andy’s Motorcycle Obsessions
They’re are simply some ignorant people out there!
So this Toine's modification is what you recommended?
Nightster ,, what I recommend is that you let it go & stop being a complete twat
@@motominx7507 What is it I let go? I will refrain from reciprocating with an insult, insults are something I find infantile.
Sometimes with a lot of people a little bit of knowledge is dangerous, they think they know better but they just don't.
Does your engine whistle LOL
of course not. It's not a triple LOL
Brahahaha 😂
Set them straight mate
Any suggestions
My mate heard my 1098 rattle when I brought it along for our first ride out when I bought it. He thought the engine was broke when I went to pull away with the “sounds like a skeleton having a wank” comment.
Only a Ducati dry clutch owner will understand.....
It’s like the Batman and Robin Meme...... “Dry Clutch!” As he slaps robin.
And how they can slate Toine when you see him porting that engine only sums up what they know about a genius at work- ie fuck all.
“Sounds like a skeleton having a wank” 🤣🤣🤣
Wet clutch in my Ducati Monster 620 ie ,but if i had a dry one i would be contacting Toine as fast as i get it . i am kinda a " cork clutch" generation guy here , Burman tranys ...those were dry clutches!!!!LOL
Well said, there's alot of Flat Earther's out there
There are Moriarty's everywhere, ignore them and dont expend energy on them. If they can't understand why it rattles when you pull tbe clutch in there is no hope for them. A major benift of this Mod is it lengthens the service life of the basket as the driven/friction plate tangs dont beat the slots in the basket at idle in neutral. In the early days it was a new basket every second set of friction plates, it got expensive. If folks are annoyed by a dry clutch noise, a dry clutch Ducati is not for you. Go elsewhere or buy a wet clutch Testastretta. Owning a Diavel, a 848 Evo track bike or my old Pantah they are not as visceral as my 1098 SF, 900 Monster or Treblance 900 SS. Old school charm ♥️ Now where is my copy of Kelly's Heros for a refresh of Oddball (Donnald Sutherland ) wisdom.
God damn it’s a Ducati! It’s got to rattle!😉
THANK YOU for saying what you said, how you said it. Armchair quarterbacks calling games from the house...
When I dialed up Andy's this morning, I thought it was a hoax... an April fool's day like joke that some trolls are complaining about Toine and his clutch mod. I ordered the mod right after Andy did his video (probably to Toine's exasperation .... not only was I an impatient customer waiting for my shipment to California, USA as he'll recall, but the shear number of orders pouring in after Andy made the video was probably a bit much!). My clutch was in great shape unlike Andy's when he made the video, so I had to exchange a few of the smaller shimmed pieces to get the correct amount of overhang on the end cap, but the install took like 15 minutes. And a quick tip as well since I haven't seen this in here, but I used a telescoping magnet to pull the individual plates (the kind you buy at the auto parts store to grab that metal screw you drop down in the engine compartment from time to time) and each plate came out clean in seconds without having to reach in with fingers or tools. Anyway, once installed, the difference is amazing... both in the way it idles and in the way the bike feels on the road. My bike is garage kept, and when I ride, I typically open the garage door and start er' up to let her warm a minute before I roll her out onto the road. Previously, the clacking sounded like that yellow Monster in this vid. But inside my garage. HOLY HELL. EAR PLUGS PLEASE! Now, I start it up, and it's so much quieter that I was actually able to make a cell call standing next to the bike in my garage with it idling, only the engine noise present... that nice deep Ducati rumble (and to avoid the question, I have FBF high slip on pipes - 1998 900 SS/FE #126... so not generally quiet to begin with). And of course, when you pull in the clutch (especially with the open air as Andy has and I have as well), you'll hear the individual plates sliding against one another. I love it... keeps that original dry clutch sound, but in moderation. And as Andy described, the road manners with the mod are easily noticeable. One additional thing I've noticed is that with FCR 41mm carbs I have installed, I've always had to dial open the carbs to start and idle until warm or the bike would die. For some reason (probably because it's not tossing that energy back and forth as much in the clutch), I no longer have to dial it at all. Hit the starter, and she idles clean right away. Anyway, thanks Andy. Thanks Toine.
Thank you
Sounds like when I asked my Irish next door neighbour if my direction indicators were working, he said “dey are, dey aren’t, dey are, dey aren’t,.........l
Wanker!
Too many arm chair experts I'm afraid Andy. Good video.
Internet wannabe mechanics are great, when they come to your shop they will tell you exactly what is wrong with their bike by saying "don't bother checking X, because I already sorted that out"
Put some oil on it that should sort it.
Wouldn't grease between each clutch plate be better? If you use oil it will no longer be a dry clutch. Geez man, what where you thinking 😆
I don't understand the enjoyment of ridicule and criticism towards people about what they do or their ability or Channels for that matter, yeah question them. These often turn into vendettas supported by those who love to hate. Silly comments become really boring after years of hearing them, there comes a time when they cant stir a wry smile but more of a tired grimace.
Toine's experience and know-how cant be bought its gained over many years through enthusiasm, why these people are criticising is a mystery they rarely if ever say what their authority is to do so. I'm sure he knows he has no need for concern as his reputation and achievements say what needs to be known.
All that aside 2 weeks ago I was offered a Ducati DS1000 engine with 3200 miles on it complete swinging-arm and rear-wheel for £100, I couldn't help myself and bought it, in other words, I couldn't get the money out of my pocket fast enough. The guy I got it from was gonna build a trike with it - a wheel too many for me.
Now, what do I do with it, polish it and put Glass over it i.e. nice coffee table, make it a cutaway engine displayed in a cabinet or a Norcati and teach the Italians how Rex would've made a Duke handle properly? lol. Lyta tank, clip-on's, rear sets etc It has, of course, all been done before though I can't see one with a single-sided swinging arm.
www.scribd.com/article/399071423/Norcati.
Depending on what I do I will need convert to carbs, I should've had a pair of Amal GP's about but can't find them. I do have a set of Bing's, not pretty and anyway they're part of a BMW Krauser heads barrels and piston set up I have sat (i.e. ornaments). So suggestions would be good.
@Nightster thank you for your kind words and support, I am not scared or worried about my work or experience as the results and respect I get from customers and other people says enough. I just like to try and lure those keyboard warriors out in the open for discussion even though I know there are just trolls who have only one thing in life that gives them a good feeling because for the rest they probably haven't accomplished anything in life and in this way they feel strong, behind the safety of anonymity. Clearly almost all of them have a empty TH-cam account and the one guy brave enough to bite the bait has a lot to tell but can't back up his expertise and his total social media accounts have zero motorcycle related things on them, he claims he has 25 years experience but is only 37 years old .. I am laughing my ass off until I get bored and then just ignore there comments.. no worries about me I know what I do and the hundreds of results are enough confirmation that for me this is the correct way and the results show that 😇
@@toinevandenbiggelaar6083 I can't disagree with a word of what you say. Keep your content coming to us.
Like subscribe and COMMENT..does that include comments you don't agree with?
Of course it does, I don’t delete or hid from comments. I welcome interaction and constructive criticism. The clutch thing keeps coming up and I was getting tired of repeatedly replying to the same questions, so I felt it warranted a video explanation. As for uneducated personal attacks on my friends, I quickly loose patience. Say what you want about me, but if you want to challenge a man with the skills and knowledge of Toine you had better have something more than flippant uneducated idiotic verbal diarrhea or you will receive a less than flattering response. When someone like Toine takes the time to share behind the scenes glimpses into the world of Ducati performance with us mere mortals, I believe we should show him the respect and gratitude that he so richly deserves.
@@ANDY5 so like subscribe and intelligent constructive non repetitive aquiesent comments only?
Seems a bit ott, so what if they impune toine's finnese, his work and the people who pay for it can attest to his abilities as for the clutch noise, they have obviously never been in a race paddock.
These things are obvious to the initiated and getting your panties in a bunch over innane uneducated comments is a little beneath you.
What you are doing on youtube relies on comments doesn't it? Algorithms don't care if they are stupid.
Bang on mate, 100%
Hang on though, did you say those clutches were " designed to rattle"? erm
Could be. To me it seems that Ducati has just decided to keep rattling dry clutches (same as with them holding on to desmo, tubular frames) since they more or less define what Ducati is al about. As in, keeping alive a certain mystique around the Ducati brand name.
When the clamping force is taken off the clutch pack it's going to rattle. Aluminium parts are slightly quieter that steel components but you need a little clearance and that will cause the rattle
Not the best choice of description. What I should have said was that as the plates are freed up when the clutch is disengaged they are free to rattle about and separate.
My 471cc Honda sounds like that, @ 64k miles.
ok its waaaaaaaaaaaaay quieter
open clutch cover makes it sound worse!!
Does your bike move foreword when u give it gas? 😂😂😂
Brilliant Andy ...keep the bastards honest..!!
Wasn't Del the master mechanic saying he was doing the heads wrong by any chance 😂
Everyone knows you need "NO MORE NAILS" to fix your bike.😂😂
Nice one mate. Armchair mechanics are the worst! When you get really good at your job you make it look easy, people think you may be thing short cuts, not doing it correctly in their eyes. I'm a chippie. It's taken me 40 years to make stuff look easy! You don't need to think about how to do the job, how to use the tools, only the end result. If you can see it in your head before you start then all is well. It's hard work making stuff look easy. This Ducati guy who's name i won't try to spell, he knows his stuff. He builds WSB motors for Christ's sake. You don't have to watch it. I watch it because i appreciate someone at the top of their game.
Its a easy name haha Toine from Antonius in France, or just call me crashingbiggel as that is more or less the nickname I earned in my racing days, it was either on the podium or inspecting the gravel trap when people would pass me 😉😆😅🤣😂
@@toinevandenbiggelaar6083 hi mate. Fair enough. Sorry i called you the Ducati guy! Loved the gas flowing vid you did.
@@firestorm755 I don't mind too be called the Ducati guy haha its just not my hard earned nickname from the past..😛😜 but just call me what you like .. tnhx for the kind words about the gasflow work .
Hear, hear! :)
are you sure it does not ratte,,, lol
Oh dear, Toine seems to have been dragged into to the sad world of TH-cam trolling. Either way I don’t think I fancy the Duc’s noisy clutch, modified or not, just sounds wrong.
You can use the stock plastic closed clutch cover and rubber gasket and the ducati clutch is reasonably quiet.
@@LeTessier916 yeah to be fair the open cover probably makes it a lot noisier that it would normally be. Beautiful bike otherwise.
Nice one. People (me included) are idiots. Nothing is going to change that unfortunately.
But I suspect there is a sliding “idiot” scale. Even this idiot knows a dry clutch is going to rattle when the clutch is used. Sigh!
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Its sad you had to put this up for the bleach injectors. Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level.
Seriously though, I think you're a legend m8, and I respect everything you say. That being said, IDK if it's because of the open cover, or because of something different in your sound recording setup, or what, but I merely made the observation that it was never that loud before you "fixed" it. Apparently I'm not alone. Maybe you don't hear it, but on this end it's loud as hell, every time you pull the clutch in. I understand the modification on at least an elementary level, and I don't dispute anything you've said, but why is it so much louder than before? Considering what you just said, I suspect the difference is due to the open cover, but I really don't know. I'm the 1st to admit when I don't know something, but I know what I hear. It's loud dude. If you could find the time, I'd like to hear your thoughts on why they still do that. The dry clutch I mean. Is it just one of those hold-over things like desmodromic valve drive that they just keep doing cuz that's how they always have, or is there really some advantage to the dry clutch? I can't see any, but I, personally would like to hear your thoughts on the subject. Thank you Mr. Andy, for everything you do. We truly do appreciate it.
It’s not just you mate, a lot of people have commented. I think it’s because people are focusing on it.
Advantages of a dry clutch.
1. The clutch material can’t contaminate the oil
2. The clutch doesn’t add heat to the oil
3. The clutch mass is spinning without the resistance of the oil
4. You can service the clutch without draining your engine oil
5. Because race bike
6. Because Ducati
You should hear mine with the clutch lever out and it has a full cover! 🙉 His mod is brilliant!
@@ANDY5
Very good reasons sir, all 6. Thank you.
PS. I love you mate, yes I'm pissed
I like your style, m8!
With a name like that I’d be disappointed if you weren’t, love you too mate 👍
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I wouldn't ever own a Ducati if it did crap luke that.
Those clutches are just crap! Seriously what a stupid design. I would hate that sound, how are you supposed to listen to the rest of your motor running, and listen for any other noises that can start to occur as they wear.
Am I 1st?
appears so
@@warrison77
Sweet, lol. That means I get a keytag or something, right?
@@DistinctOgre 😅🤣🤣
DistinctOgre 1000 imaginary internet points to you. Don’t spend them all at once.
wait did yall hear his clutch rattle D=