We had Christmas day, and it was great, just myself. My wife married 43 years and our cocker spaniel . Spent at our small rural cottage in Normandie, France, we are both English. The Spaniel is French from Marseille. we all walked for a couple of hours after lunch, came back and chilled in front of the fire , and we both supported Brexit. Where's the problem ?Life is what you make it.
That’s the spirit. Enjoy life, vote for Brexit and still able to enjoy Continental Europe. I recently enjoyed watching Rick Stein travel by river barge through south west France, from Bordeaux to the Mediterranean, sampling famous and less well known recipes along the way. 👍
I live in France too, been here over forty years now, and I would have voted for Brexit if had been able to vote. I'm rooting for frexit now, in fact for any EU country to exit, so that this evil EU crumbles. I purposely staid at home alone this year. I decorated with loads of LEDs and candles and watched the films I had lined up ready. The Christmas Carol 😊 the nutcracker ballet, I love Tchaikovsky. I'd made myself a real Christmas cake too and had a nice meal. Next year will be French style with all my family and extended family members mainly sitting around talking loudly. Didn't fancy that this year or the traveling. Anyway I had a delightful day. Drank a bit too much Bailey's in the evening which made me tired so I went to bed a little earlier than usual and woke up at four o'clock 😅 Merry Christmas Merry Boxing Day too - that is one British tradition I've kept, I'm otherwise a very well integrated immigrant I like bûche glacée too 😁
He's a politician... Not a broadcaster, politicians should be banned from getting so close to the media, it creates obvious conflicts of interest and shows the country where their true allegiance lies... and who really runs the country... the media.
Actually, quite the opposite. JRM appears to treat people with respect, but you know his views on the working and even middle classes. Don't be one of the duped. From criticising the minimum wage, removing workers' rights, increasing zero-hours contracts, and constantly citing Victorian factory owners... he's respectful of those that already have wealth and power. In fact, he's scrupulously polite. But that belies the fact that he exploits the opinion of those that are genuinely social conservatives.
@@stu6533 Its a conflict of interest and if you do not believe that, it shows just how morally corrupt this country has become. We are slowly slipping into American territory here and devolving in the process. The Americans already have all this and we are being infected by their endless culture wars and showbiz politics. It needs to stop, the adults need to come back and take charge. Please stop making excuses for blatent corruption.
@@maltesetony9030 the more I’ve watched him I have realised that, like Boris, he’s educated beyond his cerebral means. He’s not particularly bright or a high IQ baseline intelligence (possibly evidenced by his staunch religiosity), but he’s absolutely well educated, the best money can buy in fact .. I think often the public conflate the two.
Christmas is a welcome break in the middle of Winter, when everything is drab and cold. Decorating with real or symbols of leafage reminds us that Spring is not too far off. Feasting and getting together raises the spirits. There is a reason for Christmas, even a non religious person needs this uplift. Whether you partake or not, it is all around you, lights, music, excited children, it benefits all. No one is forced to participate, you choose your own type of Christmas, take or leave, make of it what you will, alone or with company, but it needs to be left alone and not shut down.
Splendid stuff In fact both of these guys could have talked for much longer on the subject - and I'd have watched the whole thing. We actually get to learn some history on this channel.. Not a subject I'd go to the BBC to learn about
Yesterday's catholic Herald ( I urge everyone to read , as not reported in the main media , you will have to Google ' teacher accused of professional misconduct ' as article no longer front page. ) A primary school teacher in Kent was sacked because of not conforming in 'religious studies ' to teaching LGBT ETC. , she taught also something of Christianity. ( Religious study teaching is now LGBT blab apparently.) What is exceptional about this (?) is she was referred to the Department of Education because of 'professional misconduct ' and ' a risk to the emotional wellbeing of children ' and accused of ' teaching contrary to British values ' I. E. Christianity. She has been banned for life , an experienced teacher of 12 years. ( Can you read this Rees Mogg ?)
There's something downright sinister afoot. I'm still recovering from the prosecution of a lady praying silently, while an army of treasonous interlopers is allowed to chorus it's venomous, antisocial bile, disrupting and intimidating all and sundry. Even Big Brother would find that doublethink disjointed
I am an atheist but note that whilst the National Trust had Eid and Diwali on its calendar ( supposedly on inclusive and wellbeing!) It did not include Christmas or Easter. An organisation that is meant to protect our national treasures excludes the religious historical aspect of Britian.
You haven’t read any Puritan biographies, have you? There was babies out of wedlock, love of music, women proposed marriage in some cases, great passions. They were human. Entirely human.
@@annamaeludlum Here here! Listen to Joel Beeke to learn about the REAL Puritanism. This talk is mostly romanist propaganda again. It wasn’t perfect but it did see Christmas for what it had become. Nothing wrong with holiness and aiming for something higher. Application has always been the struggle and always will be. Have a blessed Christmas and New Year 😊
I drove near my house on Christmas day. I happened to go past an open takaway which had about six white kids in buying food. (One) such places shouldn't be open on Christmas day. (Two) it shows the complete decline in family values at this time of year.
The Bible according to Eton, verse 1: It it easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter into kingdom of heaven. But if you've got the connections we could work something out...
Cromwell did not ban Christmas nor the eating of mince pies on Christmas Day , a complete myth . He neither introduced the bill nor agreed or approved it .The Puritan government officials, civil servants if you will , were responsible as it was seen that 12 days of sex drugs and rock and roll was deemed excessive . No change there then . There were occasions when attempts were made to enforce it by the church zealots which were met with hostility and disagreement which caused uproar and on one occasion Col. Whalleys men were called in to put down a riot and John Evelyn in his diary writes of the policing of this , breaking up private parties etc., but the feast day and holy days were largely continued throughout the Commonwealth. The Archbishops job was vacant by 1645 ( no one liked William Laud ) and the position was then abolished until 1660 and the Restoration . The only thing Cromwell could be accused of is not intervening, but Im sure he had plenty of more important things to try to resolve as the book " How to Run a Country after a Civil War that Devastated the Population " hadnt been written yet . This was also a time when a variety of religious offshoots sprang up , the Quakers , Shakers etc., my favourite being the Adamites ( depicted as prancing abour naked except for their bucket top boots 😂 ) as freedom for other religions including Judaism. Bizarre times indeed .
Fantastic comment thanks. I have to look at Evelyn's diary having always been a Pepys guy ;) I always thought Cromwell's relative tolerance towards Jews was at least partially an economic decision, but it is telling
In 1955 as a child I moved from the south of Ireland to Calvinistic , Presbyterian Glasgow ( whose religion is now islam.😀 ) Christmas didn't exist , no Christmas trees , decorations , as far as I know it was a normal working day. So you don't have to go back to Cromwell ! I clearly remember how miserable it all was , compared to what I'd been used to.
Woke ideology has few similarities to the views that prevailed among 17c Puritans. The former is driven by a therapeutic understanding of persons and the self, the latter by a shared moral view of personhood. David Starkey's mother was not a Puritan but a Quaker, contrary to what he states. The Quakers rejected mainstream doctrine like taking communion. The Puritans aimed to promote a biblical approach to life and thus eradicate the kind of waywardness that they thought undermined flourishing in both themselves and the wider public. Catholics had also aimed to achieve similar goals before the Reformation came into being, but used different means. For example, they repressed ordinary people from reading biblical texts in their own language. Was this cancel culture analogous to woke ideology? If so, why did Starkey not draw such analogies in this interview?
And WHOOSH!!! The point flies straight over your head. The point is NOT the details of the ideology. The point is the fanatical devotion to that ideology and its enforced application to the exclusion of everything else in any way, shape or form. THAT is the point. THAT is the correct similarity between the Puritans and the woke and yes indeed the Spanish Inquisition and Salafist Islamists and the Nazis and various sub-species of Communists (particularly when fighting other sub-species of Communists). Indeed The Science as practised during COVID has elements of the same fanatical devotion as well. The Holy Cult of the NHS is also well along that road. Anything which is pursued with fanatical devotion with suppression of contrary views is dangerous like that.
A very educated and calm response. IMO woke is just Jesus teachings interpreted by liberals who are being politically correct. IMO what's causing the schism in the Church is the Catholic far-right keeps getting more and more afraid of tolerance and afraid of progress. They are consumed with fear and can't think clearly.
Just to pick up on a point he made about cromwell 'first ting he did after executing charles 1st was to shut down parliament', charles was killed in jan 1949 and the rump parliament wasn't disbanded by Cromwell until 1953... feel like this is a pretty disingenuous attempt to colour cromwell in a particular light.
You have a statue of Cromwell outside the House of Parliament. He cancelled Christmas . He killed the king , named himself dictator for life and his son his heir. He was an abomination . I’m an Irish Man I won’t bore you with his trivialities in Ireland.
Go away, the perennial victims, the Irish who fail to mention what the Irish were doing to people who weren't besotted with popery and now support Hamas and the cause to annihilate the Jews. Good old Oliver allowed the Jews back into England after 450 year expulsion. Ireland and Scotland prospered under Cromwell.
Yeah , the Tony Blair of the day back then ? But then England like America which Britain follows have started so many wars ! It's all they know ? They must all have neurological problems ?
@@joaopedrobaggio4475so you see he sacrificed himself for nothing because what’s happening today has nothing to do with you . Did he forsake you or are you forsaken and just like to spend your time as a nonbeliever harassing believers.
Scotland did not celebrate Christmas until sixty years ago. Remember that Cromwell did invite Jews back into the country. Merry Christmas and blessings from South Yorkshire.
You forgot to mention good people had their ears cut off, noses slit and property plundered by Charles1 and when Charles 2 came back you had the great ejection when 2000 ministers were banished from their pulpits. An those who want to condemn Oliver Cromwell forget to mention his eldest son died in one of the first battles and he was no stranger to putting himself in danger in the heat of the battle all the while the parliament was withholding the pay of those fighting for the liberty. I have read the letters of the "magnanimous usurper" and he was not the warmonger you mob want to make him out to be. Please find time to read "The Protector A Vindication by Jean Henri Merle D"Aubigne"
They didn't have time for every detail. I suppose it was a bit anti-Cromwell, because of the puritan attitude towards Christmas (and I'm glad that this didn't last, though it's interesting to see how other protestant countries do Christmas as well) JRM is of course a catholic. David Starkey came from a bit of a puritan background, but probably rebelled against it. So we'll get a bias (as you yourself may have, by the sounds of it) I think they could have easily talked for another episode on many details. They touched on the subject of Puritan self-control vs "the passions", and I think that would bear more scrutiny, too - myself, I think both are necessary. Why the quasi-pagan traditions around XMAS returned after attempts to quash them And DS could have talked more about his thesis about the similarities between "wokeness" and puritanism. I certainly think we could look at the historical development of progressive politics - which have turned so illiberal. Western people rejected their ideologies from back then and replaced them with this new one, which will presumably have roots in the way people were a century ago
I'm sure you are aware of the atrocities inflicted on the irish people directly under the rule of Cromwell because he had a disdain for Catholicism . He is despised even to this day by the irish.
Whether you like it or not Jesus Christ rules over the Uk. Thank you Lord Jesus Christ, The Word became fresh. Thank you Lord Jesus Christ for the free gift of Salvation, the free gift of Righteousness, Eternal life, Peace..... Unconditional love. Yes , Lord Jesus Christ, you are The power of Resurrection personified, you are love personified. Come to Jesus Christ and encounter His liquid, unconditional love, peace. May The Holy Spirit give us understanding. Shalom
I was told that you had to give everything away if you were to be a Christian. I thought Jesus was quite clear about it. However, if you have two shirts, give one to the one who has none suits JRM, who only seems to wear the same one.
As a Calvinist admirer of the lives and doctrine of the Puritans, I love Christmas, especially going to a cathedral and joining in at a carol service, plus Christmas Dinner with the family and the presents that I get (!). And in many ways, albeit a monarchist (in Australia), I have great admiration for Cromwell (Oliver, of course). Does all that give away tha fact that I am a conservative (certainly not a Conservative)?
Christian Orthodox Church will celebrate Christmas on January 7th. Overall, per old and new testament Christmas we celebrate the holiday poorly. Cromwell and the Puritan had it right.
Jesus Christ told us to remember His atoning death.....He did not tell us to remember His birth! The Early Church had no such celebration. Roman Catholicism instituted this feast around the fifth century. In typical RC style, they imposed a pseudo Christian festival on existing pagan feasts......syncretism. We do not celebrate Christmas. Apart from the RC/pagan connotations, why focus on baby Jesus! Jesus Christ is the victorious Saviour, seated at His Father's right hand in Heaven. We worship our risen Saviour, not a sentimental image of His babyhood!
Yes he did. He had a coronation ceremony. He was formally offered the throne. His son succeeded him. It was not called an absolute monarchy but that's exactly what it functionally was.
@@nicholascaradas2639 Starkey's channel has information about it for a start. Unfortunately I can't remember which of his videos is one where he expands on the subject. Cromwell didn't accept the crown de jure when he was offered it but he certainly had the de facto power of it.
Anyone can ban christmas all they like , I will celebrate the birth of the Lord every year come what may and totally ignore the commercial non-christian version.
The sermon on the mount, where Jesus performed the miracle of loaves and fishes. JRM: an utter waste of his command of supply over demand. He could have made a mint.
Who is going to get crucified, Jesus or Barabbas? JRM: I'm in support of Barrabas. Proper nationalist. See my opinion piece in the Jewish Daily Telegraph.
Starkey's explanation of the timing of Christmas "to align with mid-winter festival" is incorrect, it seems. 'Breaking The Habit' youtube channel has a pretty good video about it. In the video, the presenter debunks the pagan origins theory for Christmas.
He actually did his best to retain the supremacy of parliament but in the end gave it up as a bad job, because he didn't think they were acting in the best interests of the people - ring any bells?
It is strange how fanatical Bible readers don't understand the 3rd Commandment - perhaps because the translations lose the subtlety of the Hebrew. It should be translated literally as "Thou shalt not raise (or bear) the name of the Lord in vain, for he will not make clean (i.e. not forgive) the one who raises (or bears) his name in vain." The devout should be especially careful not to transgress this commandment, because this transgression is one of the very few that is UNFORGiVEABLE. The Hebrew verb has two meanings there are really two classes of transgression covered: (1) Do not raise the name of G-d in your arguments. Do not purport to speak for G-d's and do not presume to know the will of G-d (because, if you are wrong you will not be forgiven). (2) Do not bear the name of G-d in vain. If you are known to be religious, it is like wearing G-d's name on yourself as a banner. You had better conduct yourself in such a way as to bring honour to that name. It would be better to keep your religiousness secret if you are going to cause people to resent your G-d. Given the above, you would have thought the Puritans would have been wary of imposing their beliefs on others by force. Alas, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Oh David, David, David... you were such an inspiration to me with your history documentaries when I was a kid in the early 2000's. Who is trying to ban Christmas? Why have you devolved into craziness? I feel sad because I had such respect for you as a wannabe historian myself. Christmas has not been a religious celebration for years, only Christians really want to take it back there, the rest of us think its a commercialised holiday where families get together. It does not mean the spirit of Christmas is lost, just the religious connotation and all for the better if you consider what Christianity has done over the last 1000 years. It has held back human technological development in the same way as other religions. We only really started to evolve when we abandoned superstition, ignorance and fear. As a gay man also, I am disappointed that you would side with Christians that want to see us criminalised again.
"Who is trying to ban Christmas?" For that you just need to open your eyes a little bit. In the US a long time ago they changed "Happy Christmas" to "happy holidays". Here you see a lot of media pressure to change Christmas completely (as the institution of marriage has been changed). There are 2 main themes a) "don't offend other religions", and b) let's make this an "inclusive, diverse Christmas" "Christmas has not been a religious celebration for years" Many churches were full again this XMAS. This to some extent happens every XMAS but I think more so this year. There has been a slight swing back to tradition & Christianity. A reaction to the new religion. Furthermore, the traditions of Christmas are 100% of it's power, and why everyone likes it: they don't like it because M&S & John Lewis put out adverts trying to persuade us to buy things. They put out adverts BECAUSE people celebrate this special time of year, not the other way round. Those XMAS traditions go far beyond Dickens' "A Christmas Carol" & go back at least 2000 years, incorporating pagan/Roman rituals as well as Christianity, since the name of the holiday reflects the birth of the founder of that religion - a beautiful story - and stories matter more than people think. So no, not really.
@@SuperBartles I am more concerned about the US infecting the UK with their social problems and their corporate greed actually. That seems to the be the reason. Also, welcome to the 21st Century. The only followers left in people under 30 are people forced into it by their parents so feel free to delude yourself. Religion has held back technological and social progress for centuries and would continue to do. Good job the ideologues are not in power anymore eh?
@@SuperBartles My apologies then but I would expect better than American bible thumping. Christians have a place in this country, just like every other religion but that is NOT anywhere near power because we've all seen what you did with absolute power over the last 1000 years. I'll take my chances with secularism, thank you.
A bad comparison. A true follower of Christ sticks to the Truth and the word of God. God's word says not to taint the Truth with the practices of the world or paganism. 2 Corinthians 6: 14,15a says '' Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Beʹli·al?'' It is not UNreasonable to stick to God's rule on something...indeed they are able to both reason from and be reasoned to using the standard set out by God's word. Abstaining from sin doesn't mean you become a miserable kill-joy...He is the happy God. But you can be happy when not compromising Truth. In contrast to this is what is WOKE which is NOT based on truth...it is from the Devil. Wokeism will push the Overton Window to make things more satanic. It doesn't have a standard, since it changes all the time. Christmas IS pagan, so a christian would want to keep clear of it. The true follower of Christ neither is tainted with what is pagan OR with what is woke....and by sticking to God's word as the standard, avoids also becoming like a pharisee or Taliban, which , maybe, some of the puritans may have become by going 'beyond the things written.'
Well at least there is biblical justification for not celebrating Christmas. Scotland didn’t celebrate Christmas for centuries, hence why new Year is big. Christ was born in April, not the Yuletide season
Leave our kids alone. Christmas is about a magic invisible Santa for good little boys n girls. NOT about a BS magic invisible god. Our kids don't stay that age for long so enjoy a magic invisible Santa while it lasts. Merry Christmas
@@anomalousviewer3164 no buddy . Magic is not real . Research Svante Paabo awarded The Nobel Prize 2022 for DNA extraction. THE NEANDERTHAL GENOME PROJECT. Buuuut officially they have 3 DNA confirmed human species. SAPIENS NEANDERTHAL DENISOVANS. Not the BS scam adam and eve. Fact check me please.
@@anomalousviewer3164 it's up to you buddy ok. I have other conclusive evidence YOU are being scammed. Get back to me buddy if you want to. But make no mistake YOU are being scammed. Cheers
6th of January. Christ was born. Winter solstice is the true meaning but the church turned it into a story for people to work out. The bible is full of alogery s not to be taken as fact.
We had Christmas day, and it was great, just myself. My wife married 43 years and our cocker spaniel .
Spent at our small rural cottage in Normandie, France, we are both English. The Spaniel is French from Marseille. we all walked for a couple of hours after lunch, came back and chilled in front of the fire , and we both supported Brexit. Where's the problem ?Life is what you make it.
That’s the spirit. Enjoy life, vote for Brexit and still able to enjoy Continental Europe. I recently enjoyed watching Rick Stein travel by river barge through south west France, from Bordeaux to the Mediterranean, sampling famous and less well known recipes along the way. 👍
I live in France too, been here over forty years now, and I would have voted for Brexit if had been able to vote. I'm rooting for frexit now, in fact for any EU country to exit, so that this evil EU crumbles.
I purposely staid at home alone this year. I decorated with loads of LEDs and candles and watched the films I had lined up ready. The Christmas Carol 😊 the nutcracker ballet, I love Tchaikovsky. I'd made myself a real Christmas cake too and had a nice meal. Next year will be French style with all my family and extended family members mainly sitting around talking loudly. Didn't fancy that this year or the traveling. Anyway I had a delightful day. Drank a bit too much Bailey's in the evening which made me tired so I went to bed a little earlier than usual and woke up at four o'clock 😅
Merry Christmas
Merry Boxing Day too - that is one British tradition I've kept, I'm otherwise a very well integrated immigrant I like bûche glacée too 😁
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I could listen to Mr Starkey for hours. He makes every subject he talks about so very interesting.
Jacob is a remarkable broadcaster.
I really enjoy listening to him and he treats his audience with rhe greatest respect
He's a politician... Not a broadcaster, politicians should be banned from getting so close to the media, it creates obvious conflicts of interest and shows the country where their true allegiance lies... and who really runs the country... the media.
Actually, quite the opposite. JRM appears to treat people with respect, but you know his views on the working and even middle classes. Don't be one of the duped. From criticising the minimum wage, removing workers' rights, increasing zero-hours contracts, and constantly citing Victorian factory owners... he's respectful of those that already have wealth and power. In fact, he's scrupulously polite. But that belies the fact that he exploits the opinion of those that are genuinely social conservatives.
@@stu6533 Its a conflict of interest and if you do not believe that, it shows just how morally corrupt this country has become. We are slowly slipping into American territory here and devolving in the process. The Americans already have all this and we are being infected by their endless culture wars and showbiz politics. It needs to stop, the adults need to come back and take charge. Please stop making excuses for blatent corruption.
BS with a posh accent is still BS
@@maltesetony9030 the more I’ve watched him I have realised that, like Boris, he’s educated beyond his cerebral means. He’s not particularly bright or a high IQ baseline intelligence (possibly evidenced by his staunch religiosity), but he’s absolutely well educated, the best money can buy in fact .. I think often the public conflate the two.
Christmas is a welcome break in the middle of Winter, when everything is drab and cold. Decorating with real or symbols of leafage reminds us that Spring is not too far off. Feasting and getting together raises the spirits. There is a reason for Christmas, even a non religious person needs this uplift. Whether you partake or not, it is all around you, lights, music, excited children, it benefits all. No one is forced to participate, you choose your own type of Christmas, take or leave, make of it what you will, alone or with company, but it needs to be left alone and not shut down.
Actually, Christmas is at the beginning of winter, since winter begins on the 21st of December (winter solstice.) and Spring is nearly 3 months away.
@@catherinehenry6762 the 21st is the shortest day, after that daylight is gradually longer, so in that respect it is a welcome feast.
Splendid stuff
In fact both of these guys could have talked for much longer on the subject - and I'd have watched the whole thing.
We actually get to learn some history on this channel.. Not a subject I'd go to the BBC to learn about
Love starkey!
He doesn't say he's part of the new ideology problem , an ideology and life style destroying Western culture.
Yesterday's catholic Herald ( I urge everyone to read , as not reported in the main media , you will have to Google ' teacher accused of professional misconduct ' as article no longer front page. ) A primary school teacher in Kent was sacked because of not conforming in 'religious studies ' to teaching LGBT ETC. , she taught also something of Christianity. ( Religious study teaching is now LGBT blab apparently.) What is exceptional about this (?) is she was referred to the Department of Education because of 'professional misconduct ' and ' a risk to the emotional wellbeing of children ' and accused of ' teaching contrary to British values ' I. E. Christianity. She has been banned for life , an experienced teacher of 12 years. ( Can you read this Rees Mogg ?)
There's something downright sinister afoot. I'm still recovering from the prosecution of a lady praying silently, while an army of treasonous interlopers is allowed to chorus it's venomous, antisocial bile, disrupting and intimidating all and sundry. Even Big Brother would find that doublethink disjointed
Merry Christmas 🎅🎅🎅🎄🎄🎄🎅🎅🎅🎄🎄🎄
Thank you for the fascinating insights. Merry Christmas!
I am an atheist but note that whilst the National Trust had Eid and Diwali on its calendar ( supposedly on inclusive and wellbeing!) It did not include Christmas or Easter. An organisation that is meant to protect our national treasures excludes the religious historical aspect of Britian.
The Puritans were a bit like Islamists.They tried to strip all joy, art, music etc from their world.
Haven't we had enough of your spirit of fear, exclusion, hatred and crucifixtion? Embrace love and Christian charity this Christmas.
Separation of Church and state is evil. Its too bad the anglicans rejected the authority granted to St. Peter in Matthew 16:19 @@sbor2020
You haven’t read any Puritan biographies, have you? There was babies out of wedlock, love of music, women proposed marriage in some cases, great passions. They were human. Entirely human.
@@annamaeludlum Here here! Listen to Joel Beeke to learn about the REAL Puritanism. This talk is mostly romanist propaganda again. It wasn’t perfect but it did see Christmas for what it had become. Nothing wrong with holiness and aiming for something higher. Application has always been the struggle and always will be. Have a blessed Christmas and New Year 😊
How many puritan wrtings have you actually read? ... given the ignorance evident in your post, I suspect its not many.
I drove near my house on Christmas day. I happened to go past an open takaway which had about six white kids in buying food. (One) such places shouldn't be open on Christmas day. (Two) it shows the complete decline in family values at this time of year.
Puritan..😂
I trust you are aware that the only Historians that the BBC accepts are the bless'ed David Olusoga, and possibly Lucy Worsley.
These little history vignette s are great even the one with Dr Dunlop was good worth watching 👍🏼🌲🎅
wonderful.....
The Bible according to Eton, verse 1:
It it easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter into kingdom of heaven.
But if you've got the connections we could work something out...
What do they want to ban christmas and replace it with an Islamic tradition , Britain for Christians.
Cromwell did not ban Christmas nor the eating of mince pies on Christmas Day , a complete myth . He neither introduced the bill nor agreed or approved it .The Puritan government officials, civil servants if you will , were responsible as it was seen that 12 days of sex drugs and rock and roll was deemed excessive . No change there then . There were occasions when attempts were made to enforce it by the church zealots which were met with hostility and disagreement which caused uproar and on one occasion Col. Whalleys men were called in to put down a riot and John Evelyn in his diary writes of the policing of this , breaking up private parties etc., but the feast day and holy days were largely continued throughout the Commonwealth. The Archbishops job was vacant by 1645 ( no one liked William Laud ) and the position was then abolished until 1660 and the Restoration . The only thing Cromwell could be accused of is not intervening, but Im sure he had plenty of more important things to try to resolve as the book " How to Run a Country after a Civil War that Devastated the Population " hadnt been written yet .
This was also a time when a variety of religious offshoots sprang up , the Quakers , Shakers etc., my favourite being the Adamites ( depicted as prancing abour naked except for their bucket top boots 😂 ) as freedom for other religions including Judaism. Bizarre times indeed .
Fantastic comment thanks. I have to look at Evelyn's diary having always been a Pepys guy ;)
I always thought Cromwell's relative tolerance towards Jews was at least partially an economic decision, but it is telling
ebeneezer schwab.......EBENEEZER SCHWAB.....you will be haunted by the ghost of freedom past.
On ze first day of Christmas Mein Fuehrer gave to meee
Nothink at all, and I vill be happeee!!
on the 2nd day of christmas mein fuehrer gave to me. two latex gloves, and a party for only up to three.@@Ubu987
In 1955 as a child I moved from the south of Ireland to Calvinistic , Presbyterian Glasgow ( whose religion is now islam.😀 ) Christmas didn't exist , no Christmas trees , decorations , as far as I know it was a normal working day. So you don't have to go back to Cromwell ! I clearly remember how miserable it all was , compared to what I'd been used to.
Let's all have a crap Christmas and a sad new year, this will keep other religions happy, but at our expense
No
No one is asking you to celebrate. Be descent and let those that want to.
Perhaps you would prefer a Crusade or Inquisition?
Woke ideology has few similarities to the views that prevailed among 17c Puritans. The former is driven by a therapeutic understanding of persons and the self, the latter by a shared moral view of personhood. David Starkey's mother was not a Puritan but a Quaker, contrary to what he states. The Quakers rejected mainstream doctrine like taking communion. The Puritans aimed to promote a biblical approach to life and thus eradicate the kind of waywardness that they thought undermined flourishing in both themselves and the wider public. Catholics had also aimed to achieve similar goals before the Reformation came into being, but used different means. For example, they repressed ordinary people from reading biblical texts in their own language. Was this cancel culture analogous to woke ideology? If so, why did Starkey not draw such analogies in this interview?
And WHOOSH!!!
The point flies straight over your head. The point is NOT the details of the ideology. The point is the fanatical devotion to that ideology and its enforced application to the exclusion of everything else in any way, shape or form.
THAT is the point. THAT is the correct similarity between the Puritans and the woke and yes indeed the Spanish Inquisition and Salafist Islamists and the Nazis and various sub-species of Communists (particularly when fighting other sub-species of Communists).
Indeed The Science as practised during COVID has elements of the same fanatical devotion as well. The Holy Cult of the NHS is also well along that road.
Anything which is pursued with fanatical devotion with suppression of contrary views is dangerous like that.
@@davidpnewtonNicely encapsulated
A very educated and calm response. IMO woke is just Jesus teachings interpreted by liberals who are being politically correct. IMO what's causing the schism in the Church is the Catholic far-right keeps getting more and more afraid of tolerance and afraid of progress. They are consumed with fear and can't think clearly.
Where do the woke go when we get an awakening this time . Plymouth Rock is full .
They can ban it all they like people will still celebrate Christmas itis a time of hope and joy
Just to pick up on a point he made about cromwell 'first ting he did after executing charles 1st was to shut down parliament', charles was killed in jan 1949 and the rump parliament wasn't disbanded by Cromwell until 1953... feel like this is a pretty disingenuous attempt to colour cromwell in a particular light.
Starkey is just a propagandist!
H.L. Mencken's definition of a puritan explains it very well.
How about iconoclasts that banned any Biblical images?
You have a statue of Cromwell outside the House of Parliament. He cancelled Christmas . He killed the king , named himself dictator for life and his son his heir. He was an abomination . I’m an Irish Man I won’t bore you with his trivialities in Ireland.
Go away, the perennial victims, the Irish who fail to mention what the Irish were doing to people who weren't besotted with popery and now support Hamas and the cause to annihilate the Jews.
Good old Oliver allowed the Jews back into England after 450 year expulsion. Ireland and Scotland prospered under Cromwell.
Cromwell was a Bris-ZOG like Jacob, too. Something historians prefer not to talk about in detail.
Bris- Zog , ya remember him , those fecking historians . Cowards the lot of them.
Yes, much better to have a dictator for life based in Rome calling the shots 👍🏼
Yeah , the Tony Blair of the day back then ? But then England like America which Britain follows have started so many wars ! It's all they know ? They must all have neurological problems ?
Jesus is Lord...simple.
No he isn’t. Even simpler.
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@@titteryenot4524 Reeeeeee harder.
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Jesus is Lord. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, he is the beginning and the end the first and the last, the alpha and omega.
@@titteryenot4524 You should look into things, by which I mean personally, before you make such definitive statements.
Seeing what is happening nowadays i can see that Jesus sacrificed himself for nothing.
A true believer will never say that
These are the people that crucified Christ and jeered at him. Even they can find salvation.
@@hamodalbatal464 surprise, i am not a true believer.
jesus was a man who claimed to be a prophet, just like muhammed
@@joaopedrobaggio4475so you see he sacrificed himself for nothing because what’s happening today has nothing to do with you . Did he forsake you or are you forsaken and just like to spend your time as a nonbeliever harassing believers.
Have a Dickens of a Christmas.
JRM is part of the problems we have today.
Scotland did not celebrate Christmas until sixty years ago. Remember that Cromwell did invite Jews back into the country. Merry Christmas and blessings from South Yorkshire.
Cromwell was a Bris-ZOG like Jacob.
You forgot to mention good people had their ears cut off, noses slit and property plundered by Charles1 and when Charles 2 came back you had the great ejection when 2000 ministers were banished from their pulpits. An those who want to condemn Oliver Cromwell forget to mention his eldest son died in one of the first battles and he was no stranger to putting himself in danger in the heat of the battle all the while the parliament was withholding the pay of those fighting for the liberty. I have read the letters of the "magnanimous usurper" and he was not the warmonger you mob want to make him out to be.
Please find time to read "The Protector A Vindication by Jean Henri Merle D"Aubigne"
They didn't have time for every detail. I suppose it was a bit anti-Cromwell, because of the puritan attitude towards Christmas (and I'm glad that this didn't last, though it's interesting to see how other protestant countries do Christmas as well)
JRM is of course a catholic. David Starkey came from a bit of a puritan background, but probably rebelled against it. So we'll get a bias (as you yourself may have, by the sounds of it)
I think they could have easily talked for another episode on many details. They touched on the subject of Puritan self-control vs "the passions", and I think that would bear more scrutiny, too - myself, I think both are necessary. Why the quasi-pagan traditions around XMAS returned after attempts to quash them
And DS could have talked more about his thesis about the similarities between "wokeness" and puritanism. I certainly think we could look at the historical development of progressive politics - which have turned so illiberal. Western people rejected their ideologies from back then and replaced them with this new one, which will presumably have roots in the way people were a century ago
I'm sure you are aware of the atrocities inflicted on the irish people directly under the rule of Cromwell because he had a disdain for Catholicism . He is despised even to this day by the irish.
Yes and Cromwell banned mince pies ? What a Scrooge ? What a mean spirited Man
Read some history Wendy!
Whether you like it or not Jesus Christ rules over the Uk. Thank you Lord Jesus Christ, The Word became fresh. Thank you Lord Jesus Christ for the free gift of Salvation, the free gift of Righteousness, Eternal life, Peace..... Unconditional love. Yes , Lord Jesus Christ, you are The power of Resurrection personified, you are love personified. Come to Jesus Christ and encounter His liquid, unconditional love, peace. May The Holy Spirit give us understanding. Shalom
I was told that you had to give everything away if you were to be a Christian. I thought Jesus was quite clear about it.
However, if you have two shirts, give one to the one who has none suits JRM, who only seems to wear the same one.
When do Jesus says such things?
I feel like you miss the scripture context about this
As a Calvinist admirer of the lives and doctrine of the Puritans, I love Christmas, especially going to a cathedral and joining in at a carol service, plus Christmas Dinner with the family and the presents that I get (!). And in many ways, albeit a monarchist (in Australia), I have great admiration for Cromwell (Oliver, of course). Does all that give away tha fact that I am a conservative (certainly not a Conservative)?
As a conservative and a protestant I see where you are coming from.
@@postscript67protestantism is liberalism (a sin). Separation of State from the Church authorized by Christ in Matthew 16:19 is lucifarianism.
Christian Orthodox Church will celebrate Christmas on January 7th.
Overall, per old and new testament Christmas we celebrate the holiday poorly.
Cromwell and the Puritan had it right.
More over, it's not Woke to be Biblical. Woke is much different animal.
Pagan holidays existed long before the "Christian observer or day" even existed.
Jesus Christ told us to remember His atoning death.....He did not tell us to remember His birth!
The Early Church had no such celebration. Roman Catholicism instituted this feast around the fifth century. In typical RC style, they imposed a pseudo Christian festival on existing pagan feasts......syncretism.
We do not celebrate Christmas. Apart from the RC/pagan connotations, why focus on baby Jesus! Jesus Christ is the victorious Saviour, seated at His Father's right hand in Heaven.
We worship our risen Saviour, not a sentimental image of His babyhood!
What goes around comes around
Oliver Cromwell did not reign
Yes he did.
He had a coronation ceremony. He was formally offered the throne. His son succeeded him.
It was not called an absolute monarchy but that's exactly what it functionally was.
@@davidpnewton many thanks David. I must read up a bit more it seems....😉
@@nicholascaradas2639 Starkey's channel has information about it for a start. Unfortunately I can't remember which of his videos is one where he expands on the subject.
Cromwell didn't accept the crown de jure when he was offered it but he certainly had the de facto power of it.
Starkey forgets that the early symbol of Judaism was the zodiac.
See the Hamat Teverya zodiac in Galilee.
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They want to take our Christmas😂
Anyone can ban christmas all they like , I will celebrate the birth of the Lord every year come what may and totally ignore the commercial non-christian version.
🎉 Starkey is a extremely lewd old man. Totally unchristian lifestyle
The last place to look for reformed Christianity is in the political world. The Tudors brought about a change for the worse for a start.
Is the WEF the new Oliver Cromwell?
Ollie wasn't t jolly
Try reading more about him - recommend Antonia Fraser
To hell or to connaught 😂☘
Wokism is eternal..
It’s on its way out actually
The sermon on the mount, where Jesus performed the miracle of loaves and fishes.
JRM: an utter waste of his command of supply over demand. He could have made a mint.
Jesus healed the sick.
JRM: An opportunity for the private sector in healing the sick totally gone to waste.
Who is going to get crucified, Jesus or Barabbas?
JRM: I'm in support of Barrabas. Proper nationalist. See my opinion piece in the Jewish Daily Telegraph.
Starkey's explanation of the timing of Christmas "to align with mid-winter festival" is incorrect, it seems. 'Breaking The Habit' youtube channel has a pretty good video about it. In the video, the presenter debunks the pagan origins theory for Christmas.
They will keep trying to drag religion into Christmas.
I think Christmas was restored before the Monarchy. 🙃
Woke is secular puritanism. This is as obvious as the sun at noon on a clear day on the equator. Congratulations.🤦♂️
Woke needs to go
Oliver Cromwell was a military dictator. Change my mind.
He actually did his best to retain the supremacy of parliament but in the end gave it up as a bad job, because he didn't think they were acting in the best interests of the people - ring any bells?
@@twanderson7756 Hmmm... yes, it does, actually 😀
It is strange how fanatical Bible readers don't understand the 3rd Commandment - perhaps because the translations lose the subtlety of the Hebrew. It should be translated literally as "Thou shalt not raise (or bear) the name of the Lord in vain, for he will not make clean (i.e. not forgive) the one who raises (or bears) his name in vain." The devout should be especially careful not to transgress this commandment, because this transgression is one of the very few that is UNFORGiVEABLE. The Hebrew verb has two meanings there are really two classes of transgression covered:
(1) Do not raise the name of G-d in your arguments. Do not purport to speak for G-d's and do not presume to know the will of G-d (because, if you are wrong you will not be forgiven).
(2) Do not bear the name of G-d in vain. If you are known to be religious, it is like wearing G-d's name on yourself as a banner. You had better conduct yourself in such a way as to bring honour to that name. It would be better to keep your religiousness secret if you are going to cause people to resent your G-d.
Given the above, you would have thought the Puritans would have been wary of imposing their beliefs on others by force. Alas, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
The UK can only afford to have Christmas every other year
Christmas is more pagan than Christian.
There was no biblical scripture that specificly say Jesus was born on Dec 25th. Jesus was born on another date.
Cromwell was a bad man
Oh David, David, David... you were such an inspiration to me with your history documentaries when I was a kid in the early 2000's. Who is trying to ban Christmas? Why have you devolved into craziness? I feel sad because I had such respect for you as a wannabe historian myself. Christmas has not been a religious celebration for years, only Christians really want to take it back there, the rest of us think its a commercialised holiday where families get together. It does not mean the spirit of Christmas is lost, just the religious connotation and all for the better if you consider what Christianity has done over the last 1000 years. It has held back human technological development in the same way as other religions. We only really started to evolve when we abandoned superstition, ignorance and fear. As a gay man also, I am disappointed that you would side with Christians that want to see us criminalised again.
"Who is trying to ban Christmas?"
For that you just need to open your eyes a little bit. In the US a long time ago they changed "Happy Christmas" to "happy holidays". Here you see a lot of media pressure to change Christmas completely (as the institution of marriage has been changed). There are 2 main themes a) "don't offend other religions", and b) let's make this an "inclusive, diverse Christmas"
"Christmas has not been a religious celebration for years"
Many churches were full again this XMAS. This to some extent happens every XMAS but I think more so this year. There has been a slight swing back to tradition & Christianity. A reaction to the new religion.
Furthermore, the traditions of Christmas are 100% of it's power, and why everyone likes it: they don't like it because M&S & John Lewis put out adverts trying to persuade us to buy things. They put out adverts BECAUSE people celebrate this special time of year, not the other way round.
Those XMAS traditions go far beyond Dickens' "A Christmas Carol" & go back at least 2000 years, incorporating pagan/Roman rituals as well as Christianity, since the name of the holiday reflects the birth of the founder of that religion - a beautiful story - and stories matter more than people think.
So no, not really.
@@SuperBartles I am more concerned about the US infecting the UK with their social problems and their corporate greed actually. That seems to the be the reason.
Also, welcome to the 21st Century. The only followers left in people under 30 are people forced into it by their parents so feel free to delude yourself. Religion has held back technological and social progress for centuries and would continue to do. Good job the ideologues are not in power anymore eh?
@@Sovereign-kh4ng I'm British by the way.
@@SuperBartles My apologies then but I would expect better than American bible thumping. Christians have a place in this country, just like every other religion but that is NOT anywhere near power because we've all seen what you did with absolute power over the last 1000 years. I'll take my chances with secularism, thank you.
A bad comparison. A true follower of Christ sticks to the Truth and the word of God. God's word says not to taint the Truth with the practices of the world or paganism. 2 Corinthians 6: 14,15a says '' Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Beʹli·al?'' It is not UNreasonable to stick to God's rule on something...indeed they are able to both reason from and be reasoned to using the standard set out by God's word. Abstaining from sin doesn't mean you become a miserable kill-joy...He is the happy God. But you can be happy when not compromising Truth. In contrast to this is what is WOKE which is NOT based on truth...it is from the Devil. Wokeism will push the Overton Window to make things more satanic. It doesn't have a standard, since it changes all the time. Christmas IS pagan, so a christian would want to keep clear of it. The true follower of Christ neither is tainted with what is pagan OR with what is woke....and by sticking to God's word as the standard, avoids also becoming like a pharisee or Taliban, which , maybe, some of the puritans may have become by going 'beyond the things written.'
Rather you regard woke as fascism, being a fascist contradicted.
Well at least there is biblical justification for not celebrating Christmas. Scotland didn’t celebrate Christmas for centuries, hence why new Year is big. Christ was born in April, not the Yuletide season
Sadly, Puritanism and self loathing still have a strong grasp on the British psyche.
If The League of Gentlemen are ever looking for a cameo then David Starkey is a shoo-in.
Just watched a video of there's and yes we've still got one😂🎉
Try to scare people 😂
In the beginning, all things were pagan.
Wrong, in the beginning in our time concept, God created the world
JRM is going to be astounded at the end of his life when the elevator goes down, despite his best efforts to press the up button.
Mr Starkey, thought he had been fired.....
He came back stronger than before.
Persecution by your lessers never works.
As usual so much ignorance on anything to do with the English Revolution. David Starkey should know better.
This utter bell looks like Dennis the menace's target
The sooner these two and tories are resigned to history the better.
Leave our kids alone. Christmas is about a magic invisible Santa for good little boys n girls. NOT about a BS magic invisible god. Our kids don't stay that age for long so enjoy a magic invisible Santa while it lasts. Merry Christmas
Christmas is about the birth of Jesus. The only BS is what you stated in your comment.
@@anomalousviewer3164 no buddy . Magic is not real . Research Svante Paabo awarded The Nobel Prize 2022 for DNA extraction. THE NEANDERTHAL GENOME PROJECT. Buuuut officially they have 3 DNA confirmed human species. SAPIENS NEANDERTHAL DENISOVANS. Not the BS scam adam and eve. Fact check me please.
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6th of January. Christ was born. Winter solstice is the true meaning but the church turned it into a story for people to work out. The bible is full of alogery s not to be taken as fact.
Welcome our new Muslim overlords!
We will have to make do with snackbaaars instead of plum-pud.
A sickening interview. Captain snooty Rees Mogg and the racist David Starkey. GBNEWS scraping the bottom of the barrel once again.
They went past scraping the barrel, a long time ago !!!!
And yet filled with all that information on these despicable human beings, you still watch, Stupid is as stupid does.
Go shine yer halo 😇
Oh dear .😂
2great Brains, a joy to listen too,as is Douglas Murray.