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- Kiriko was the first support added to Overwatch 2 and there's been no other character in the games history who's been as omnipresent as her since their release. It's nearly a little too much actually. Kiriko is Overwatch's Favourite Child, so let's find out why.
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i would go other way with her tp, remove invul after tp and make it go on 3 sec cd if she take dmg and when decide to flank you can lock her in place and force her to fight at least
Lmao the mercy+LW fight, also insane how much this healer can one shot or two shot from a distance, while with tracer, you need to be super up close and it's hard to one clip. Have you ever thought of making a video about the disparity between DPS damage and healer damage
@@SToad the thing about doing that is the odds of people flocking to the video telling me to off myself get a little too high for me to feel like it'll be fun to make
@@PixelRory Fair enough! Thanks for the good content so far, got hooked with your sombra video!
@@SToad o7 thank you! Probably gonna have another out this weekend
Kiriko feels like someone's self insert OC that has like 20 abilities for no reason
Edit : I want to add that she is just shoved into the lore, its supposed to be 20 and 35 years old at the same time and uses magic in a game where everyone uses technology and its the cutesy japanese anime fox girl and everyone loves her. This screams Sonic OC levels of writting
Sounds like something you'd find in the "Rpg horror stories" subreddit
or guilty gear
"This is my Overwatch OC, Kiriko! She has a fox spirit that no one else but her can use! She's like, always been the best friend and cousin of Hanzo and Genji and her mom is their master, which means she's so much cooler than them! And she can teleport using magic, even though everyone else is using technology! And she's also super duper fast and can ride motorcycles and she can become invincible and she can be mean to everyone but everyone thinks she's so cool, and her kunai can kill people in only a few shots!"
This is what Kiriko always felt like to me
It's baffling hiw they shove her into the front of everything but looking at her story you'll realize she's a side character to other side characters. Her mom has more significance because she actually trained two heroes we already know and love. Kiriko is just kinda there in the background
@@Jaded_Jinx Let me add something else to your rant.
SHE WEARS SNEAKERS FOR GOD SAKE
On top of this is also the names of the abilities, "cleansing suzu", "healing ofuda", "Kunai" which all didn't need to be in japanese. They could've easily been called cleanse, throwing knife, and paper heal.
They never put any effort into other character's ability names. They never gave bap the "fusíl medicinale" of Reinhardt the "erdbeben strike" But Kiriko gets to use japanese medieval digging tools as a precision weapon. Some paper as her magic healing, a bell for magic healing and cleansing, and a magic fox spirit which summons Japanese Torii gates.
Kiriko is good at EVERYTHING. No weaknesses, always meta, and ALWAYS gets skins every season. Blizzard made it so obvious she’s their cash cow and I hate it
I wish they put this much attention to her lore..
Thats every singel support other then mercy
@@xythiera7255 Ana and zen have no mobility. Brig has to be in the enemy face to get value. Lifeweaver has subpar mobility. Lucio can’t heal a lot, is team dependent, and takes a lot of skill. Illari can be dived, her heals are inconsistent, and spamming her shots won’t save you. The only supports who can be almost as problematic as Kiri are Bap and Moira, who have received nerfs that aren’t slaps on the wrist. Even then they still have hitboxes that aren’t the size of tracer.
Kiri has 2 get out of jail cards, a tiny af hitbox, and a freaking wall climb on top of that. Something has to give 🥴
Being a Kiriko main and knowing the fact that people are pointing out her popularity, I’m going to buy more of her skins just to spite people who dislike the attention Blizzard gives her
@@IPS-bk2wrzip up blizzards pants when you're done bro. Supporting sexual harassment is insane
bro the background footage is just rory killing the whole backline 😂
hes BECOME their backline
Casually 1v2ing both DPS/Supports
I was fucking dying XD
support btw
The amount of shots missed trying to kill that Mercy was unfortunately very relatable 😂😂
Oen proud moment from my s3 days was killing a kiriko as mercy
At this point just have kitsune rush heal 125 hp per second and give 100 overhealth and make you invincible and pay off your student loans on use
Also if suzu hits an enemy it should steal their credit card information on hit
And finally tp should send every player to google street view of the enemy tank’s house
@@aidenzorn8322you could pay for all the 50 skins she gets per update with that!
“I’m a projectile DPS player”. It’s ok to say you’re a junk main this is a safe space.
Actually I have more hours on tracer than junk, he's only my 8th most played
Liar! I command you to spend 12 hours playing doctor junk the only true dps!!! Brrrrrinnggggg
*you thought of junkrat before genji?*
Junkrat mains don't call themselves projectile DPS. We're Junkrat mains. He's not easy to play at all since S9 launched.
@@apocalypseap lmao yeah if I say projectile dps I'm thinking genji echo etc, the fun characters (tracer is fun too though) OH AND VENTURE I love venture fuck that nerf it was only for bronze lobbies lmaogjrkfoIJOGREAERGKJOHRGDA
I love how u didn't even mention wall-climb in this video and even without it her kit still feels heavily loaded that people forget about it lol
I was at a point mentally of writing this script where being able to teleport from anywhere, make yourself immune to everything and the fact that she could use suzu 3 TIMES IN HER ULT ON RELEASE that wall climb seemed chill LMAO
Lorewise Kiriko survived Hiroshima and Nagasaki by throwing Suzu
One small thing about Kiriko is that she threw a monkey wrench into the lore of Overwatch. Like Blizzard refuses to acknowledge magic being a thing in OW and Hanzo and Genji's ults can be passed off as nanobots or something like that. Kirko throwing a bag of flower to cleanse her allies, her blinking through walls to allies, and her kitsune rush summoning a FOX SPIRIT... yea blizzard is trying to say that isn't magic. Most characters are using sci fi tools, but then we got Kiriko who uses magical weapons.
Edit: The comment section reminded me of kiriko’s age and i completely forgot about her age. She has no right being in her 20’s while the shimada brothers are in their 30’s to 40’s. Blizzard’s writing team for overwatch screwed up basic logic with their lore recently
I think the intent is supposed to be "It's debatable (in-universe) whether it is magic" rather than a black and white yes or no. But the amount of writers and constant shifting of them confuses it. Zenyatta has always been using what seems to be magic since it's said he uses no known way to hover yet does anyway
Kiriko being both 21 and 40-ish at the same time due to training with Genji and Hanzo when they were young but is also half their age is a less excusable lore mistake
Don't forget, you have to be Japanese to scale walls and have magical spirits
@@dragonlord564 completely agrees, they wanted to hive her background tied to the shimadas but keep her as an equal instead of making her a student or a junior, aaaand also wanted to keep her as a marketing factor, still in her 20s, cute and nerdy
And it's so infuriating. Apart from Ana who needs to be old cause she's Pharah's mother and an original member of OW team, every single female character is young and fuckable. Even Zarya looks way younger than she should be.
She’s also like 20 years younger than them but apparently they all grew up together
and also realistically it doesnt make sense that she grew up with genji or hanzo
What surprises me the most about kiriko is that she became the perfect heal bot by accident.
Once she gets to higher ranks she’ll always have someone in a good position to tp to, her heals can’t be stopped by anti and unlike Moira her heals are consistent without the need to manage a meter.
I think it's worth mentioning that her potential for good damage is part of what makes her a good healbot - try to disrupt her and you get shanked in the face.
@@val26874Yeah, she is a heal bot which can win 1v1s since Kunai does so much damage
Suzu is just a bottle of Men's 13 in 1 shampoo
At this point it is 30 in 1 shampoo. Next update the thing is gonna do your taxes, file your opponents for divorce, and seduce their mothers and in exchange have an extra second of cooldown
kiri REEKS of fanfic OC energy. she's carelessly tossed into the lore and apparently "grew up" with hanzo and genji (who are 20 years older so wth) she has sarcastic one liners for everyone in the cast, and shes pretty much the trademark "relatable teenager" character
her gameplay sells the deviantart OC nature of her design too, her kit feels like a middlesxhooler designed it.
"shes a ninja like genji but she heals people and she can teleport and shes completely invincible and she can make her teammates invincible AND she counters ana and every other status effect in the game AND she can 2shot any pesky dps that gets on her nerves AND her ult makes her do handsigns like my favorite anime AND-"
oh my goodness i hate her so much i didnt rven want to rant a whole essay like this but it just feels like someone on the team hired their kid l to make this character
Tbf Ana needed a counter to anti heal for the longest time
@@XSkimmilkmanX If Ana's anti-heal needed a specific character to counter it, then anti-heal should just be nerfed instead.
I love how you made that comparison
Plus
Making fun of A fanfic OC like that is one of my favorite pastimes
Venture is even worse, shes not a fighter, supposed to be an archeologist but with giant bioschock drill that can shoot uuh rocks or someting (if they explode at some range i guess it isnt rocks). Fuck is she gonna do with that drill? Dig all of the petra so it would collapse and destroy every artifact? Weird kit for architect, and her personality is just that one annoying hyperactive weird girl I mean damn
My biggest gripe with Kiriko is just… this. This whole comment. She’s just someone’s self-insert. Always quick with a witty one-liner, fulfills every role in the game, has this random power set even though there’s no explanation as to why she can do what she can do…
And you know what? What the hell does she have to do with kitsunes? I remember designing a fox character back in the day. I researched classical tricksters, contemporary fox “lore”- I was invested! Foxes are my favorite animal! We get a character all about foxes? Great! But she isn’t! She’s not even a “trickster”! The most sly, elusive thing about her kit is the fact that she can teleport away from you every two seconds. I know, she’s a support, so you can’t give her all the same abilities you’d give to a character like Sombra… oh, wait! You can! Because designing a tricky character and designing a support are not exclusive things! Oh em gee!
But other than her mystical kitsune spirit and that stupid little helmet, nothing about her screams “fox” or “kitsune” or “vulpine” to me. I’m not saying she has to be in a neon orange fur suit, but I am saying that it’s a bit annoying to me that she’s just… Japan Girl. You know what I mean? I don’t even know what I mean, honestly. But everything about her is just… stereotypical weeb fantasy stuff. It just feels like cash grab, marketable, merchandizing bullshit *personified*.
And this is all just from a character standpoint, not even talking about mechanics or the fucked up lore behind her.
All this on a hitbox measured in microns is what gets me. If they want her to be all this and smol, give her Tracer hp.
Huh. Actually. That would make sense. High risk high reward character with an escape ability and 200 HP.
@@23UAS175 sounds good
@@sr_aron 125*
@@ninjapurpura1 0*
@@23UAS no
Kiriko is genuinely the most problematic hero ever added, not just to the game, but just in general to the franchise.
- Overtuned and overcompensated kit. She doesn't have any weaknesses, and can effectively counter/play into anything (Without having to change how the hero is normally played).
- Anytime she gets a nerf, she gets a bunch of compensation that usually makes it a net buff anyway.
- No risk, High Reward gameplay loop. Very low skill floor.
- Gets a new skin every month.
- You can figure out everything about Kiriko simply by looking at her. What you would think when someone says "Japanese Aesthetics" (Take Mei for example. When you look at Mei, you can tell that she's ice-themed. However, you'd have to do a bit of digging to find out that she's a climatologist who is sweet and optimistic despite how tragic her past is. None of her personality or design has anything to due with the fact that she's Chinese.)
- Lore and Age make no sense, and contradicts / overwrites pre-established lore. (Basically, Shoved into lore at the expense of retconning Genji and Hanzo's story (Similar to a self-insert)). Blizzard wanted to cash in on the idea of a "secret third Shimada" and wanted her to be connected to the Shimada Bros (Which she really didn't need to be), but couldn't be bothered to make her older than 30, because then she couldn't be "Young and Quirky" like Dva.
- Blizzard insists that she has to be a part of everything despite the community's strong hatred and disinterest towards her.
- Bland and boring personality. No flaws. Feels like she gets all her lines from the "quirky" character in a Nickelodeon sit com.
- Has been S-tier since Day 1 and still hasn't received any large scale nerfs.
If they wanted her to be connected to the Shimadas, she could've been the protégé of one of them (either Hanzo or Genji could work, though Genji becoming a teacher would be a good addition to his arc with Zenyatta, and Hanzo becoming one would be a major point in his arc overall)
@@sev1120 She didn't need to be actively connected to them at all. I think they could've very easily just made her mom a local, everyday swordsman teacher (Instead of the "best sword master in the world", which just seems like lazy and exaggerated writing, and just pretentious in general) who trained the brothers one time (The brothers most likely would've been trained by the Clans own elders regularly), and Kiriko could've just been some little kid who wanted her mom to train her too. Only for her to be like, "I don't want you anywhere near that."
Which, to me, seems far more interesting than what we got.
Genji and Hanzo's lore wouldn't need to change, but the general idea for Kiriko is still there (just separate)
illary bap zen after they removed his weakness moira that also has no weakness . Kiriko is just all that on max
You're completely fucking delusional if you think the community has a "strong hatred and disinterest towards her". Get out of your echo chamber.
Bruh shut up and pull your head out of your ass. She's clearly got weaknesses like every other hero in Overwatch. You just love to gang up on a specific character to discourage others from playing said character.
The only necessary nerf for kiriko, is banning her from getting new skins for a year
The fact that they added a second immortality ability to the game on a support character still astounds me. Bap lamp was bad enough but Suzu is something else.
Might even be worse because it makes some ults completely useless,like junker queen or illari
@@williamrowe8387 this always made me think that they wanted Illari to be low tier because most of her healing potential can be broken (and most certainly will be), has to wait to do any good damage, reused Ashe coach gun in a circle (which doesn't heal btw), and an ult which would be great on a dps but slapped it on a support and forgot that the best character in the game still existed
@@GamingChair420 I enjoy her but she doesn't seem very viable in competition because of stuff like this
Thank goodness they didn't follow by adding another support with an even easier to use invuln ability!!!
At least with Bap, you can destroy the lamp to end the immortality early
I love her character, or rather, the one we should have gotten.
In the cinematic, she seems so kind and wholesome, and it was a massive vibe.
In-game, she’s just, a moody bitch. She’s mean to everyone, and needlessly sasses and insults people.
I much prefer the Kiriko we got from the cinematic than the one we got in-game.
This was something I didn't like about her. Lore Kiri and In-game Kiri seem to have two completely different personalities.
Its to appeal to the “bossgirls” which is cringe imo
@@atrophos4104 it seems like it's more to appeal to nerdy weebs
@@ramonas4328I honestly can’t tell who the appeal is too but I hate it. I’ve dropped the game for a while now;( I tried ow2 for a while but Immortality needs to go.
tbf, in the cinematic she's talking to her loved ones, while in-game she's surrounded by strangers
How did we go from a gaint loud hammer swinging german man in a suit of armor, a swedish dwarf whos a blacksmith, one of the few charaters that actually has a charater arc getting over his hatred of omnics, a floating robotic monk who could Kick Your ass, a transforming war machine that has PTSD and best friends with a bird, please tell me how did we go from interesting characters to generic Mary Sue magical Fox girl
We also managed to go from that to extremist robo monk with a complex personality, then back to generics with Lifeweaver who is just a flower boy with no personality.
@@kassandraofodyssey6475 Right?! they are so capable of making interesting characters
@@kassandraofodyssey6475 yo don't diss my boy LW like that.
Anyway the writing quality in general has gone down quite a bit, but tbf it's not like OW1 didn't have its own duds, namely Pharah and Hanzo who funnily enough had complaints similar to the ones Sojourn and Illari have. It's just that we've had a lot of time for them to grow on us.
And imo, Overwatch, ever since day 1, had an issue of making most of its heroic characters just sort of generically nice and wholesome. It's funny of me to say it, since I just defended LW who has that same issue, but at least he has a bit of a rebellious streak which is more than what I can say about, say, Mercy or Tracer.
In her cinematic
Kiriko is actually interesting and I like her kind, sweet hearted character
In the game
She is just mean and moody and seems so ,,Oh I am cool" type of which I don't like
@@rav_productions2136 Were capable, but I welling to bet the writing team was replaced with DEI hires that don't know how to write for shit, as made obvious by rather subpar character designs writing wise.
The most hilarious part about kiri being the new poster child is
No one cares.
I have seen no one hype up kiri, seen no one speak about how much they love her. I’ve only seen people complain because of how poorly written and poorly balanced she is. Seriously, daughter of the best swordsmen in the world, grew up with both genji and hanzo despite being way younger, is more magic than the dragon brothers with her magic being even harder to explain as secretly science, aaaand she has a generic nothingburger personality with no depth
As a support main, I just wanted a cleanse like Zarya 😅. Not a damn 15 in 1 ability
I think it needs the immortality portion from a program balancing standpoint, but it doesn't need the healing or the boop it had.
That said, if it did cleanse OR healing depending on the target's status, that would make interesting decision making.
What's funny is the cooldown could definitely be lowered if it lost the immunity and gained its knockback for enemies instead.
Blizzard art department misses for Soujourn, they’re allergic to giving her cute skins
Even aside from her gameplay and balance issues... was always really weirded out that Blizzard had to add a *third* magic Japanese ninja to the game. Do they not have any other ideas for what a Japanese character can be?
A magic Japanese samurai!
A Japanese geisha with a crane spirit would've been cool for support. She can sing to heal and throw fan blades to deal damage. Her ult is a short song that gives her team a supercharge buff, but she has to remain idle or partially slow and her team has to defend her to keep the buff as long as possible. Her mobility option would be enchanting her fans with the crane spirit to get a small boost in any direction she's looking at, giving her momentum. Her secondary healing would be where she does a high note to knock back enemies and heal teammates, which forces you to choose to survive or help the team.
I can understand how you feel abour Kiriko. I hate everything about her, but she's too good not to play. She does everything, and as such I have to play her to succeed. I hate it, and her design and personality.
God, her personality. She seemed so sweet and kinda awkward in her character trailer but ultimately had the resolve to step up and fight when she needed to protect people who needed her. In-game Kiri’s lines and delivery make her feel like a lifeless punk-ass.
@@neonal18 Real dude, she's such a cocky dickhead in her ingame voice lines. Some of her lines are fine, but then others are annoying. When I take someone out with a headshot she just says 'You shouldn't've put your head there' or 'And what did we learn?' like the way she's shown in game is just this hyper meta jerk. Even in how she interacts with Lució, she says 'turn up the bass, I could almost hear the rest of the song' like that's not at all a good line because it's just corny stereotyping of the modern teenager.
That's what I feel like Kiriko is, she's this stereotype of a modern teenager that pisses me off (nobody I know acts as dickish as Kiriko, not even my friends who played CoD when they were teens)
@@neonal18same thoughts/issues I had with Dva,my lord is it so damn annoying to hear them speak and it be a snark remark every few seconds because it’s cool to have an “empowered asshole character”
In-game kiriko is #NotMyKiriko. Her personality in the cinematic is much better
@@neonal18 What are you talking about?
Tracer will always be the icon of Overwatch to me. Regardless of what favoritism Blizzard shows to Kiriko. (I played Overwatch 1).
tracer is also shown an immense amount of favoritism, as she has been hard meta nearly almost all of ow2, and when she isn’t meta she immediately gets buffed.
@@1lunareclipseeits cuz a lotta ppl dont rlly complain abt tracer. She's so hard that most ppl cant play her close to the skill ceiling, so a good tracer is rare to begin with. Up until s9 there was always something in the meta that ppl generally hated more than tracer (like hog during one shot meta, mauga during mauga meta, soj, kiriko, etc.) It was only after season 9 that ppl started to find her more annoying when she got bigger projectiles, more hp and indirect buffs because less things one shot her (like mei secondary). So she basically became slightly more forgiving and accessible. Oh yea, and the dps passive.
@@1lunareclipseewell, at least she's high skill high reward, unlike kiriko's low skill high reward playstyle
As a Kiri main I agree
Tracer is iconic
Winton is second
@@mister_meme3608 a-d spam and holding lmb is hight skill? with hp buffs like now tracer can solo own 4 people behind tank's ass
Nobody noticed but the Arcade icon in OW used to be Dva but they replaced her with Kiriko like wtf?
what's absurd to me about kiriko is that she can do almost everything better than anyone with low CD but Lifeweaver's grip has to get a 19 sec CD while doing way less than kiriko's suzu which is simply baffling to think about !
suzu
-Heal 80 (or more if cleanse negative effects)
-AoE
-invulnerability
-cleanse
-15 s CD
-ranged
Grip
-Heal 50
-single target
-invulnerability (but only while bubble is visible)
-pull said single target to him
-19s CD
Why is suzu able to do so much just by itself without adding all of Kiriko's kit ?!
Lifegrip is a lot more igregious... Lifegrip is way more powerful...
@@koldwolf life grip is not more powerful than suzu. just incorrect
I definitely agree with this take, though suzu is likely on a lower cooldown because it is a skill shot, and doesn’t auto lock like lifegrip
Lifegrip is kinda lame too
@@salvatore2004 Oh really? Show us a scenario where Lifegrip isn't toxic.
Kiriko to Blizzard is like that Facebook mom saying how their 5yo child stopped a robbery by telling the dude a life lesson, and then everyone clapped
As a Zen main, seeing Kirko completely outclass Zen hurts.
Which is crazy because he suppose to be low healing high dps.
I was talking about her few days ago with a friend and its shocking how a single character is capable to handle 1v1 situations easily and Tanks or some DPS just get deleted if you miss a single frame to escape in tough situations.
But, to me is ironic how Venture is not invincible when they are going underground and Kiriko just vanishes away without a scratch
-sorry for my bad english btw.
you're english is good dw!
@@PixelRory Thanks!
It is within the realm of complete acceptability for one to inadvertently find oneself committing an occasional lapse in grammatical accuracy, for I too, as an individual who has attained proficiency in the English language through a process of study and practice, must confess to occasionally falling prey to such linguistic faux pas - the reason being that, much like yourself, I was not brought up speaking this language as my first and primary means of communication.
@SToad I ocasionally review everything that i say before i post because english is tricky sometimes, because one word can have multiple meanings and when you use a translator for exemple, it can sometimes appear "correct" but when a native speaker hear what you say, its other thing, and the way you speak determines the words you use. Its easy to learn but when you try to comunicate you learn that you need to use other words or you need to learn how to not repeat the same thing over and over again.
In the mean time my native language just have a word or a suffix for everything XD
Because venture has a one shot combo and kiriko doesn't.
It's like asking why does dva have boosters while zarya doesn't
devs throwing tracer away: we dont want to play with u anymore
You know that they love her when she's the only new character with not only one, but two different dance emotes
Suzu letting you parry things like Dva bomb is so cool I think the cleanse is actually the most annoying part because there's skill in parrying a Dva bomb but none in cleansing like a junker queen rampage
There kinda is, since depending on their positioning, you might only suzu one person and the rest get annhilated
Cleanses are absolutely needed though, so that statuses can exist. And those are interesting
suzu really gotta be only cleanse/immunity with no heals, would actually make the ability balanced because you don't just get half your hp back from clicking a button then getting to run away
@@Just-Ludo i agree
cleanse requires skill if you are trying to save a teammate away from you, as it is a projectile.
"there art department never misses" and in enters Lucio.. Frog colour 1, frog colour 2.. Frog colour 43
Kiri apologists love to say that magic exists in other abilities (rez, shimada dragons, zen). But they forget that those characters typically only have one unexplainable ability (mercy, shimadas) that could be based in their other abilities OR are explicitly stated as noncanon (zen).
Afaik, NO explanation has been given to kiri for Anything in her kit aside from her origin of "she uses ancient techniques and modern skills", but there isn't even anything modern/technological in her kit. It's ALL magic or kunai.
Kiriko literally exists, because they didn't want to nerf Ana. And yet Ana can still be played alongside Kiriko.
Just let that sink in for a moment.....
Both are trash imo
I have an idea for her change; healing fall off, the further away she is, the less she heals and the same with her damage. The further the distance she needs to teleport to a target the longer her teleport ability will stay on cooldown, etc. THIS WAY, YOU CAN KEEP HER KIT THE SAME BUT GIVE AN INSANE DOWNSIDE!
I primarily play support (Ana main since 2018) and I believe that what made Ana such a great support is that she is fun to play as, is not the absolute hardest to pick up, but is one of the hardest heroes in the game to master and has two powerful abilities that you need to be really smart with using. What makes Ana well designed is that her abilities either wins a fight or leaves her to the sharks. Kiri on the other hand is always super powerful. She never has a point of weakness and there is no counterplay to her. With Anas nade. You can either hard push Ana once she has used it or back off. Also, making an Ana use it defensively is not too hard to do. Sleep dart is one of the hardest abilities in the game to master and it is so easy to miss it. It also has a super long cooldown and leaves Ana vunerable for the entire duration of the cooldown, but it can set up huge plays for your team. Suzu on the other hand has everything and no counterplay. It also does not leave an open window to kill Kiri. Same with swift step. No counterplay and no skill needed for it. The only skill with Kiris abilities is mastering the timing of Suzu, which is not too hard to do. I rarely play her but I usually manage to land big Suzus. In my opinion. I think making swift step into a smoke bomb that makes Kiri invisible while she is inside of it would be a better and more "character fitting" thing to do (considering she is supposed to be some sort of ninja I guess). And make the suzu only two of the things it is. In my humble opinion, make it cleanse ability ccs but not ults and make it so you can still deal knockback to suzu-ed targets. Also, nerf her projectile size, aka Hanzo-logs Jr.
not only is she infuriating to play against with 2 get out of jail free cards, able to take duals and get out with not drawbacks and suzu being insane she gets skins every session and is the most dry and bland character to be added to the game and blizzard refuses to Nerf her 😐 and characters like ram get ignored who is hands down the best character they've ever made lore wise
On top of her kit just being able too much another reason I despise her is because personality in game most of her voice lines and interactions come off as snarky, “I’m better than you”, sometimes just disrespectful, wannabe gen z. What happened to the Kiriko we saw in the cinematic short
If the lore wasn’t messed up she would be the most annoying 29-31 year old woman
I've always said the same couple of things about Kiriko and I'll repeat them here.
Here Teleportation Invulnerability should apply to the ally she teleports to, not herself.
Her Suzu should be excellent at maybe one or two things, not eighteen.
Her lore also makes no sense, how the hell would she have been able to hang out with Genji and Hanzo when they were teenagers when she would've been *born* when Genji was 14? They wanted to make a young, relatable character while also fitting her with other character's lore, but now it doesn't make any sense. Her personality also feels as flawless as her kit, and it really makes her uninteresting as a character to me, she really feels like a Mary Sue.
I think that, from a shitty OW player, that Suzu and the ult are cool and are (mostly) fine
I think the way to “fix her” is simple; make her TP not invincible, give it a longer cooldown, or throw it in the nerf wringer all together. Let her do (maybe slightly nerfed) damage, and play up with her team, but don’t let her get out of jail free whenever she wants. Reward players for getting a pick on her, not the other way around.
I mostly agree with this, but if they get rid of tp invincibility, Kiriko will hesitate to tp to allies in danger. That will make it MORE like a "get out of jail" card as she will use it mostly to protect herself.
Just a btw, you can kill kiriko while she does her tp animation, might be a bug but you can kill her
@@sleppy_Hello You can, she's only invulnerable right before she disappears. I think that was what the 0.4 to 0.25 second change to her Swift Step
I used to think Brigitte was a Mary Sue, but that title fits Kiriko much better.
How would Brig be a mary sue ? She was trained by the best, the most honorable, the most charismatic, the most handsome man in the world, ma boi Reinhardt
@@MsElViktorfemale character being skilled=Mary sue i guess? Shes a well written character so they're probably just yapping
@@MsElViktor >used to
The replies obviously didnt play overwatch 1 bridgette was an absolute minace
@@MsElViktor Also, it was mostly from a gameplay perspective, since she was able to have damaging, tanking and healing capabilities, stun, and even occasionally get a ranged attack, and it felt like she had no weaknesses.
In terms of writing I'd felt at the time like her connections to other characters were a little forced and wish-fulfillment-y, and like her character was "too pure" (but maybe that was just wrong, I admittedly didn't consume every single entry).
Bro what is this video output we just had the lw one a few days ago
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Best explanation of Kiriko! She has been one of the best, if not the best support, since her release and Blizzard refuse to nerf her
I had Overwatch 2 uninstalled for about a year after the PvE plans were removed(or “revised” I guess), only recently reinstalling it. Unfortunately my network isn’t the best so I’m having a rough go of learning the heroes that were battlepass-locked until recently, but your videos have been a quality AND quantity treat as I tumble back down this rabbit hole!
Deleted OW a week after OW2 launch. Downloaded it again 4 days ago. I have bad wifi also at the moment so i mainly play Lifeweaver right now. He also had been itching in the back of my mind. He sounds cool, is cute and “LIFE PROTECTS LIFE”. Honestly tho, i think i finally found my main in OW.
@@joranvanolphen9892same here!
They officially confirmed that PvE is cancelled right before season 10.
Good news! no more heroes locked in Battle Pass
@@LatencyProblem still trash though
PixelRory: Guys, I don't like Kiriko
Me: *putting a like to the vid immediately*
My take is that something as strong as invincibility should NEVER be an ability that just goes on cooldown, no matter what. It should definitely cleanse and heal, but invincibility even if brief is way too far, perhaps a high damage reduction, so that it CAN protect someone who is near to full health from an instant kill, but you don’t instantly bail out anybody in the area
you're putting out videos pretty consistently, just remember to take time for yourself
I appreciate the concern! These videos are my time for myself tbh. Having a schedule of "script by here, recording by then, edit by then" etc keeps me going without getting bored each day
if only other people could sate they're boredom with TH-cam videos@@PixelRory
Thats how you fall off. You cant really have brakes without losing followers
The glazing is insane
@@banalsandwitch4002 telling people not to overwork themselves is glazing, apparently
Kiriko and Moira are the two large reasons I quit OW2. I played it casually with friends and never got very good, and the fact that some characters like those two were so slippery for me to kill and so abundant that I couldn't even fight them. Doesn't help that I'm also a tank player. These characters are just too frustrating to fight as they are right now, I'd rather just play any other game. They really are insane characters in lower ranks
Kiri's a very VERY confused case for me, she's meant to be the archetypal character of a trickster, someone who throws an unexpected wrench in a fight and is an all rounder in utility or unexpected burst damage (i'm thinking dnd rogue being a good representation of this), but the fact she even has moderate heals in the first place KILLS her identity because now she's a burst damage healer cleanser buffer (and borderline sniper, ngl) . Issue with that is that if you nerf her healing hard then she's basically gonna have the EXACT same identity crisis as sombra ( always saw kiri as a reverse sombra anyway) .
she has the same problems as sombra but instead of being confused on what to do and where to go she just said Yes to every question and became everything at once.
“Guys guys what if we made a new poster child, that goes against the lore of the universe we painstakingly made and that fans accept, and we make her use actual magic, no nano tech no science.”
“Wait wait, what if we make her an uwu owo anime girl with Hanzo and Genji-like voicelines that are cringe instead of corny !”
“Yeah yeah ! That sounds good ! Now all of that would be useless if she wasn’t completely broken, so lets make it top of the meta all year round !”
“Dude we nailed it.”
“Hell yeah.”
From Dev whisperings, Kiriko really was made to be the next Dva icon.
The thing about Kiriko is that you could only get her to the same level as other supports is building her kit from the ground up again. It's the only way you could actually get her to the same level as other support.
We all know why people really love her. Same reason why so many love Dva.
I still cannot belive they thought a 1 second nerf to the most broken ability would fix anything
And the worst part is that people actually defended it
"1 second nerf is big guys!"
*cooldown reduction in ultimate*
Who'd have thought that a weeb bait character in a predominantly weeb game would be blizzard's golden goose.
I think she should get 25 less HP for starters. With her awkward and slim hitbox, her ability to teleport to a nearby ally within 35 meters, and suzu, giving her less HP would be great to make her definitively more vulnerable and riskier to play when she already has two get-out-of-jail cards.
Also, I'd reduce her kunai count down to 12 or even 10. She already has one of the fastest reloads in the game (1 second reload), so why does she also get to have 15 frickin' kunai to work with, along with healing that reloads on its own when it's not being used?
With the teleport, I think increasing the cooldown would be enough; 7 seconds is pretty nutty for an ability like Swift Step. Maybe something like 9 seconds.
In regards to Suzu, I'd remove the intangibility/phase-out effect. It's understated, but my god is it annoying that they just phase out of existence and not even knockback can affect suzu'd enemies. Doomfist players will definitely know how painful it is to just whiff a juicy punch and then land into the abyss because Kiriko decided to teleport in and suzu her allies. Also yeah, reduce the base healing down from 80 to, like, 40. I actually don't mind how big a boost in healing it gets when it purifies negative effects, but I think reducing the base healing will encourage Kiriko players to save it for, well, actually cleansing negative effects, in addition to the invincibility effect it provides.
Kitsune Rush, I think, is mostly fine as it is? I'd reduce the duration to 10 seconds, reduce the movement speed bonus to +25%. That's about it, really. Curious to hear what other people think about tweaking Kitsune Rush though.
Her tp maybe invulnerable when coming out but it isn't going in. I've been killed plenty times in the midst of tp😭
You know that Kiriko is the favorite child when you find out she's been hard meta for a whole year 💀
I love that the day before the video comes out Kiri gets ANOTHER bundle in the shop. I know they teased the skin already but the timing was perfect.
I swear to you, every time I make a video SOMETHING gets announced for the character in question. Sombra? Got some nerfs during the editing process. Orisa? Got some nerfs during the scripting. KIRIKO? SKIN ANNOUNCED DURING EDITING
Oh, also, on the subject of why Swift Step has invulv is because it's how teleports are coded into the game. Ever notice how all self-cast teleports have invulv frames/clensing effects? I suspect this is due to preventing a hero from dying to DoT damage while the code is instantly changing your x/y/z/ axis location (since where you die is maked in the game's memory, dying a 0x0y0z would cause a HUGE server stopping error or accidently cause problem with anti-cheat thinking players are cheating by being logged being in null cords)
As a Roadhog player, I might be the only person besides Kiriko players that love her. Hell, not even just the hog players, I bet you tank players that almost get shredded just to be saved by her want to marry her at this point
Honestly, as a support main who sometimes plays kiriko I never really thought about this stuff until today, and I agree with pretty much everything. Suzu, Kitsune Rush and Swift Step probably need a peg or two knocked down. For swift step I'd be fine with no invincibility but keep the range. I feel suzu should be the main invulnerability-giver in her kit. Though I can see a short ranged invulnerability window teleport being loved more. Maybe for another potential hero? For kitsune rush just cut the cooldown thing. The rest is fine.
For suzu the main thing should be cleanse, but just because of video games I can't help but feel a cleanse should come with healing. But it is a bit much given healing ofuda is supposed to be the main thing, especially with the random bonus. Maybe just keep it a small amount of healing, like 30 or so to keep the cleanse the main focus with some knockback? Or just heal and knockback. I'd probably prefer the second.
Kiri's one of the few heroes that i love to play with (whether it's myself or someone on my team) but i hate to play against
I love this video. You're not just complaining. You're giving ideas on how to make her better. Most people would make an hour long video and just say she sucks in a million ways, but you made a decent length video and gave good ideas on how to fix the problem. I would like this video 100 times if I could.
the comment is worth 100, tysm!
Most infuriating thing about Kiriko is that we still haven’t seen her on her bike
I will say one thing Kiriko has going for her over Tracer is that she is a LOT easier to play. Don’t get me wrong she is no Moira but Kiriko is still a rather easy hero to play compared to Tracer who is one of the most difficult. This makes her a lot more appealing to more people which is going to allow her to sell more skins.
How in god's green earth has your pc not exploded. I see it regularly at 80+ for temp
Built different
Kiriko is the tracer of overwatch 2 as in she's now the new mascot of overwatch
The fact that they basically butchered Sombra and her playstyle since her rework because they found 'issues' with translocator. (even tho she was fine). They havent even BOTHERED touching kiri who basically has the same thing, except it doesnt have counterplay like old TL.
The only reason kiri gets to keep being so ridiculously OP is because she makes them the most money. They have no consideration for sombra players who dont like the rework, but they sure do have it for their biggest money maker.
Im sorry but old sombra was horrible to fight against, even more so than current. She was an worse to deal with dead ringer spy. I think she also just feels a lot more fun now. Feels a lot more aggressive and active now imo
@@isaacargesmith8217 being annoying to play against is not enough to justify a rework that destroys the character.
Old Sombra is the whole reason I enjoyed ow since I got into in 2020
Now I just feel frustrated playing her because the damage and utility they gave her to try and make up for gutting her survivability just don't unless you're communicating with a 5 stack
I'd say Sombra's biggest counter before was burst damage like Kiri, Hanzo, Sojourn and Torb on some maps (not DMG but his turret stoping hacks)
but now people literally just playing grouped up and aware of Sombra is her counter...
This I feel sums up my frustration about Kiriko perfectly. I myself also love the design concept and playing as them, but playing against a kiri? Absolutely INFURIATING. She literally feels like they took the positives of multiple other characters into one and then shed all the negatives.
Tracer's high damage potential and very tough to hit hitbox? What if they had MORE health and better range?
Mercy or Ana's single healing output? This one goes through shields and has good range in one, best of both worlds!
Mercy and Bap have mobility tools to get to teammates and escape danger if used well? Well kiri just nopes tf out with a literal teleport, cause who needs to be punished for bad positioning anyways!
A high damage dps like Zen or Illari that trades high damage for middling support or heals, or high utility and healing for lifeweaver with little offensive presence? Who needs that when you can pump out more healing AND damage than half the other supports combined, with good range to boot, suck it brig!
Kiriko alone just does what almost every other support does, and sheds every downside and flaw of the other supports, while still having so much additionally utility to the point of whole fights revolving around dealing with the kiri first otherwise you stright up lose. After all, almost every tank ult and lot of dps ults all can get shut down INSANELY by one singular cooldown, by a character that's tougher to pin down and kill than even the likes of Lucio or Tracer at times.
I love when kiriko players miss all of their shots on me while I just laugh my ass out and wait for them to walk to me
If they let us see her on her bike shed be fine
Coming from someone who played since 2016 this character is just the biggest middle finger from gameplay and lore
You can’t really fix a character that has everything without messing with the identity people who play them likes, but I would suggest Significantly longer cool-down times to mitigate how unpuniahable and impactful she is.
Making the teleport be doubled to 12 seconds at least would make you need to be more conscious about using it, but you shouldn’t need it so much because 1: hit box and 2: wallclimb making you already one of the hardest things to hit
Suzu cancels out Ults, and all damage and fixes debufs, it is an objectively better version of immortality field (which everyone despised gutturaly) and yet is less than half the CD duration (also turning of JQ’s entire existence) so it really should be a 20 second cool-down at least
hit the nail on the head.
feels like half the abilities in her kit could've been given to other supports. but she just has them all.
it's like the cassidy VS new hero release-- they come out with so many niches whereas the overwatch 1 charatcers are just tunnelled on 1 archetype.
I think giving Kiriko more agency would improve her since her design as it is now can be narrowed down to "Can't TP? Suzu yourself out of trouble. Can't Suzu? Gamble on your projectiles landing headshots and break a 1v1 where you were supposed to lose." Her headshots hit like a truck imo, should probably get looked into...
Great video, by the way! You're quickly becoming one of my favorite youtubers. Keep up the good work!
“Wah! Kiriko has a low win-rate she’s not overpowered. Her shots are hard too hit _even though they’re over 2 times the size of Hanzo’s logs._ WAAAH! WAAAAAAH! You can’t 1v2! _even though I can take on the entire back line by myself without being punished._ WAAAAAH! Skill issue! WAAAAAHH! WAAAAAHH! You didn’t land all your shots, just click her head lol. WAAAAAHHH! WAAAAAHHH! You were positioned poorly! Let me rag on every single teeny weeny ‘mistake’ you made like I’m a OWC coach _even though I’m probably a lower rank than you._ WAAAAH! WAAAAAH!”
I don’t understand how *SO MANY* support players are like this.
Dude, I think it would be cool to have a Junkrat video. He's been bad or niche in every season, with no hope of him being good in the future, while having a high skill ceiling. It would make for an interesting video.
little correction on 2:43 , it does pass through enemies
rory speak correctly challenge
@@PixelRory(impossible)
i feel like kirikos most annoying factor is just how fast her abilities are. swift step? instant. suzu? extremely short travel time. kitsune? extremely fast fox. you cant stop any of them. there is literally no warning before she uses any of her abilities.
if swift step was more like reaper tp, it would be nowhere near as infuriating to play against. if suzu didn't instantly stop every single death without fail excluding getting actively sprayed down by a bastion, i wouldnt be so annoyed by its existence. if kitsune had the ability to be cancelled i wouldnt get upset every time it got used. (it doesnt even really need a slow charge up i just think its weird that nano can be cancelled but kitsune cant be.) if her voicelines didnt sound like they were made by a 14 year old wattpad user, i wouldnt want to die everytime i play her.
Suzu heals extra when removing debuffs was done so that low elo stopped using it just as an extra heal
I like her. She feels difficult to play, but rewarding when I get it right.
OKAY. I'VE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME TO SAY THIS.
As a Lifeweaver main, the October 31, 2023 patch baffled me so much. If you're wondering why, the cooldown of life grip was increased from 16 seconds to 19 seconds. The ability that does a small heal, gives invulnerability, and forces a player to reposition, was hit HARD. Know what else happened that patch? Kiriko had Suzu CD increased from 14 to 15 seconds. People say that Life Grip is an infinite value ability, but then what does that make Suzu? Infinite times 5? Life Grip is literally the Aleph Null to Suzu's infinity and beyond (Aleph Null, in simple terms, is the smallest infinity). But she gets to have a 15 second cooldown on the ability? Throw in a Kitsune Rush, and she can use that ability two to three times in a single teamfight! Not to mention, Life Grip doesn't even cleanse the target, so if they get hit with anti-nade, slept, knocked down, etc., they will still be in that state as long as they're supposed to be. Suzu is an AOE invulnerability ability that also provides a decent heal with no disruption to your team's tempo. All of that, on top of the damn headshots ; - ;
Okay, done being salty now.
Supports should stay as either dps (zen and lucio) or healing (mercy and somewhat Ana) or off and main heals. Kiri does both, can jump in and has two out of jail free cards with 0 drawbacks.
I hate Kiriko so much. Not only what was talked about in this video but also the writers had such a good character, she was a vigilante ninja who was dedicated to cleaning up her home and was kind to people. But now all her voice lines sound like a Gen alpha kid who’s sooo tone deaf. When Hanzo tells her he’s never going to pick up his sword after believing he killed Gengi, her response is “I’ll tell mom you’re thinking of picking it back up.” That’s not a cutesy sassy response, that’s insensitive! Kiriko in game is a completely different character than Kiriko in the lore and her animation.
Wholeheartedly agree. Kiri is a great concept, but a horribly bloated execution. It’s like the Dev’s didn’t have faith she’d be good enough.
As for changes I’d make to Kiri:
Ofuda-
•gutting the raw heal, 130 healing per second is ridiculous with any other healing in the game. Every squishy is just constantly full hp with a Kiri. Gutting it from 13 heal per talisman to 7.5 heal so it takes 4 clips to heal 250-300hp to full. (Can buff kunai or suzu healing if she somehow feels bad, but ofuda gotta stay this way to keep her in line and de-incentivize healbotting some.)
Suzu-
•remove bonus heal
•replace complete invincibility + intangibility with JUST brief CC immunity after cleanse + heal
•13 second cooldown
Swift Step-
•25 meters
•10sec cooldown
•brief self CC immunity instead of invincibility after tp
Kitsune Rush-
•decrease ult cost by ~10%
•remove cooldown reduction(great idea for a supportive ability for a supp/tank, not Kiri who’s about dueling and cleansing CC)
•screw it, see how rush feels with the 50% movement again after all of these changes
Just a quick first pass, but this would put her in a much less frustrating state while still being objectively good imo
remember guys, DPS are temporary, Support are forever. Their job is to ensure the team is alive and well and can perform at their best.
The people responsible for adding Kiriko in the game are narcissists. No, it's not Jeff Kaplan's idea.
Ive said it myself when I said "Kiriko is the golden child of overwatch"
You are making so many amazing videos at an incredible fast pace, please take care of yourself and don't get burnout king.
Literally all they have to do is make it so if you take damage and your Swift Step cooldown is less than a second (including not being on cooldown) the cooldown is set to 1s. This makes it so you can actually punish overcommitted Kiri while still allowing her to outplay you by playing less aggro to get out or take the risk and win the duel
It wouldn't feel unfair if I knew I could've prevented the tp by hitting her, it wouldn't feel unfair if I knew I shouldn't have gone overaggressive as Kiri jumping anyone and anything that moves. It would literally be perfect
I just don't like how when I'm about to kill the enemy Ana as Tracer (after already commiting my blinks and recall), some random asian girl pops out from out of nowhere and turns the fight into a 2v1 against two invincible and healed up chacters. Like sure, I'm talking both attention and resources from the enemy team but it just doesn't feel fun or fair.
My feeling on suzu is quite simple. I think it should either cleanse or give invulnerability, it should not do both. Either one is great but together it's just such a loaded ability
I wouldn't say that Kiriko having a kit with several moving parts makes her unbalanced, or even is poor design. The reason why Kiriko sees so much play is because there's so many moving parts in her kit, he has a larger chance to resonate with an audience. Even you, the person making this video, enjoy the more flank-heavy aspect of Kiriko and being able to go in and make noise. Giving a hero a kit with high utility is realistically not a bad thing unless all of which have massive impact; which is where Kiriko's weakness comes in.
Kiriko, as a support hero, gathers value from her being proactive rather than her teammates being proactive. With Ana, you can boost your team's capability with your kit, but with Kiriko, your team can boost *your* capability using your kit to go to them and assist them in making plays by taking off-angles or providing a distraction so you can flank unnoticed. Heroes that have a lot of moving parts have existed since OW1.
Let's look at the most adored support hero of all time--Ana. Ana has seen the most play out of any support in all of OW, even more so than Mercy due to her kit having so many tools that can work with so many people. On-demand hitscan with nice damage potential, anti-healing, anti-dive, healing boost, an ultimate that saves a teammate and boosts their capability, all of that exists in Ana's kit. The reason why this works, and why players love Ana so much, is because the way these attacks are choreographed to scale their consistency with their power. Ana's nade relies on the user having a direct angle to the intended target, which gives enemies more time to take cover and counter, her sleep dart has windup and is a projectile, and her hitscan slows her down so that she becomes easier to hit. The impact is balanced with the user's capability to overcome the caveats.
This is the same for Kiriko. Putting your Swift Step on cooldown to go in is a gamble on the user's part, and at the end of the day, is a movement ability. Movement is very powerful in OW1, but with Kiriko as a support hero, this utility needs a selling point beyond "A to B" especially when limited to spaces that are already occupied. Her weapons have a decent kill potential, but is reduced whenever it is deployed incorrectly or if your flank is spotted, and your Suzu has a long cooldown which means that even though it does many different things, it's total uptime is low, which encourages saving it up and ends up with even lower uptime. At the end of the day, Kiriko's weakness is in it's strength; it's utilities that are powerful are so flexible that Kiriko players have to pick and choose which places to deploy these utilities.
In my opinion, a design of a hero that pushes its playerbase to think more critically about the plays they make is a healthy design, even if it can feel excessive on the receiving end. I haven't ever felt frustrated by Kiriko's Suzu denying an ultimate of mine or a good anti-nade, I always think about how to make that Kiriko regret using the Suzu then and there to make a good play or to get a pick at that moment. I believe these aspects is why Kiriko's design succeeded so heavily, even though she was powerful, she was fun to use and wasn't ever truly looked down upon. Even in her strongest state, Kiriko players would still make mistakes and tactical errors that could be punished by swift plays.
The moving parts of Kiriko and the potential of gameplay and skill expression from her kit and playstyle is what made her rise above Junker Queen and Sojourn in Season 1 of Overwatch 2, and is why she is still currently loved and played by players at a high rate, even having fallen out of the meta.
The support role is just gonna get more boring with Blizzard's philosophy to release 'more Mercy type characters'.
People can't be asked to learn and say that they need these BS abilities to support their team when that isn't true and they're just unhealthy. Bap lamp was already pushing their luck with outplaying an ult with a CD. The fact that Weaver's grip was even nearly as BS as the other immortality abilities but was punished the hardest is atrocious when his character already struggles to find a spot in the game.
I'd LOVE to see a video like this on zenyatta and how community perception of him has shifted around over OW's lifetime (especially w/ ow2)
Compare the newer supports to the original. Mercy, zen, Lucio, and Ana all do things other than heal. Discord, anti, damage boost, speed boost, Rez…
Also they all heal in different ways. Beam, aoe. Sniper, orb.
Bap, kiri, Moira, Illari, LW, all just shoot heals with right click. They all have crazy escape abilities or immortality or both.
It’s just the same frustrating hero again and again.
so funny seeing a flanking tracer get absolutely obliterated by the support in one second